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Re: City May Seek Permit and Insurance for Many Kinds of Public Photography |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Jul 2 06:04:20 2007, in response to Re: City May Seek Permit and Insurance for Many Kinds of Public Photography, posted by SMAZ on Mon Jul 2 05:34:03 2007. Actually, after 2001, Canada made it more difficult. About a year ago, they changed their immigration laws again to make it extremely difficult to immigrate. Too many Americans.See if you can pass the test: http://www.skillclear.co.uk/canada/canada-skilled-worker-points-calculator-1.asp |
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Posted by SMAZ on Mon Jul 2 06:16:56 2007, in response to Re: City May Seek Permit and Insurance for Many Kinds of Public Photography, posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Jul 2 06:04:20 2007. The test is to get a legal visa. Scrabbleship was talking about illegally emigrating. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Jul 2 06:34:08 2007, in response to Re: City May Seek Permit and Insurance for Many Kinds of Public Photography, posted by SMAZ on Mon Jul 2 06:16:56 2007. Went to Canada a couple of weeks ago ... getting in to visit some friends was a rather spirited game of twenty questions, presenting an itinerary and handing over lots of documents. Coming back into the US was a 5 minute exercise. Canada seems to be taking the whole thing a lot more seriously than WE are ... should be amusing watching the boy TRY to illegally enter Canada. :) |
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Re: City May Seek Permit and Insurance for Many Kinds of Public Photography |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Mon Jul 2 10:39:26 2007, in response to Re: City May Seek Permit and Insurance for Many Kinds of Public Photography, posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Jun 29 20:23:18 2007. Maybe paranoia is a better word. |
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Posted by Karl M, Ex New Yorker on Mon Jul 2 12:08:42 2007, in response to Re: City May Seek Permit and Insurance for Many Kinds of Public Photography, posted by Scrabbleship on Sun Jul 1 21:14:03 2007. I'll take Wagner any day 8-) Karl M |
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Posted by BMTLines on Mon Jul 2 13:18:34 2007, in response to Re: City May Seek Permit and Insurance for Many Kinds of Public Photography, posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Jun 29 16:55:03 2007. The problem is the intent of the law is virtually never taken into consideration by cops when they enforce the law.A couple taking pictures in Times Square might get by simply because of the sheer quantity of people taking pictures there, but cops could use this law against for example, an amateur photographer and his girlfriend waiting for the sun to set over the Brooklyn Bridge to get the shot of a lifetime.... The city has a track record of lying when it comes to enforcing laws. Like someone else here said the city originally said that the recycling laws would only be enforced against flagrant violators yet even minor violations are being ticketed now. Last year some cop decided to enforce a parking rule that virtually no-one on my block ever heard of - any car that did not have its front wheels turned at an angle was ticketed. I believe automatic transmission made that rule obsolete years ago... Fortunately angry calls to Vallone's office got the tickets dismissed - still it was a hassle! There are many other examples of cops using obscure laws whenever they feel the need arises... So if they want to stop someoene from photographing whatever they feel should not be photographed all they would have to do is watch the clock and invoke this law... |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Jul 2 13:35:25 2007, in response to Re: City May Seek Permit and Insurance for Many Kinds of Public Photography, posted by BMTLines on Mon Jul 2 13:18:34 2007. The problem is the intent of the law is virtually never taken into consideration by cops when they enforce the law.I understand what the problem is. My point is that is doesn't matter if anyone offers insurance to amateurs because the intent of the law does not require it and even if it end up being enforced, amateurs still aren't going to be getting insurance - it would be fought in court. If the new law passes as is currently proposed, I think that amateurs will largely be left alone except as related to political/controversial events or where the police decide something is a security threat. Of course that is unacceptable, so I'd expect there to be legal action against the city to force them to change the law. But I don't think we need to be worrying about how we are going to fulfill the terms of the permit. If anything, we just need to be making sure the law is revised. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Tue Jul 3 02:35:14 2007, in response to Re: City May Seek Permit and Insurance for Many Kinds of Public Photography, posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Jul 2 06:34:08 2007. I got 72 points on that test! I've never lived, studied nor do I have family there so I got a zero on the last part. I'm satisfied with the result. Thanks for the link. |
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Posted by Mark S. Feinman on Tue Jul 3 14:15:14 2007, in response to Re: City May Seek Permit and Insurance for Many Kinds of Public Photography, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Mon Jul 2 10:39:26 2007. We've gone from the land of hope to the land of fear thanks to Bush.--Mark |
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Re: City May Seek Permit and Insurance for Many Kinds of Public Photography |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue Jul 3 15:54:01 2007, in response to Re: City May Seek Permit and Insurance for Many Kinds of Public Photography, posted by Mark S. Feinman on Tue Jul 3 14:15:14 2007. FRankly I think Georgie Porgie needs to get a life. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue Jul 3 16:08:48 2007, in response to City May Seek Permit and Insurance for Many Kinds of Public Photography, posted by Hoghead on Fri Jun 29 03:31:21 2007. This country is becoming more and more like the former USSR every day. Paranoia, permits for everything, etc. |
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Posted by BMTLines on Tue Jul 3 17:12:22 2007, in response to Re: City May Seek Permit and Insurance for Many Kinds of Public Photography, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue Jul 3 16:08:48 2007. I have been saying that for a long time - we may have political freedom (i.e. the right to vote) but we are losing or have lost many of the personal freedoms we used to have. |
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Posted by Nilet on Tue Jul 3 17:15:28 2007, in response to Re: City May Seek Permit and Insurance for Many Kinds of Public Photography, posted by BMTLines on Tue Jul 3 17:12:22 2007. Yeah, we have the right to decide which corporate shill is going to take away our personal rights! |
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Posted by 600VDC on Tue Jul 3 17:20:14 2007, in response to Re: City May Seek Permit and Insurance for Many Kinds of Public Photography, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue Jul 3 16:08:48 2007. I gotta tell ya....I used to work with Katherine Oliver at Bloomberg, and she is a bit of a nut case. But, that being said, I doubt this is coming directly from her. |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Wed Jul 4 02:51:34 2007, in response to City May Seek Permit and Insurance for Many Kinds of Public Photography, posted by Hoghead on Fri Jun 29 03:31:21 2007. The real problem to me is this:Many "old school" New Yorkers like myself who would never tolerate what's going on now moved out of NYC 20+ years ago when the rents began going up to what are now insane levels in some cases. Many of the people who live in New York now are don't have the multiple generations of family that previously lived there, in many instances you now have people who didn't grow up in New York and are more like people in other parts of the country who think a terrorist attack is more likely to hit in the middle of the country than New York (notable for instance where Churchill Downs has forbidden backpacks, coolers and the like to be brought to that faclity in on Kentucky Oaks and Kentucky Derby days whereas the New York Racing Association HAS CONTINUED to allow backpacks, coolers and the like with only relatively minor restrictions on Belmont Stakes Day). That may be playing in these proposed new rules, as there are many more people now living in New York than 20 years ago that are more easily paranoid about terrorism in a way "old school" New Yorkers, who dealt with stuff long before 9/11 would never get paranoid about (and what happened in London this past weekend didn't exactly help matters). |
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NYCLU Official Statement and Position on This Issue |
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Posted by Bingham C50 on Wed Jul 4 11:37:51 2007, in response to City May Seek Permit and Insurance for Many Kinds of Public Photography, posted by Hoghead on Fri Jun 29 03:31:21 2007. Here is the NYCLU's official statement on the proposed rule change:NYCLU Calls On City To Abandon New Proposal Requiring Permits For Casual Photography June 28, 2007 -- A proposed regulation that would require large numbers of casual photographers and film makers to obtain City permits should be abandoned, the New York Civil Liberties Union said in formal comments filed today. The New York City Mayor's Office of Film, Theatre and Broadcast is holding a hearing today on the new rules. Until recently, New York City had no written rules governing the issuance of photography and film permits. After the NYCLU filed a federal lawsuit challenging the MOFTB permit practices, including its requirement that all photographers and film makers obtain permits and have proof of $1 million of insurance, the City agreed to adopt written rules and to narrow its permit scheme. The new proposed rules, which the City quietly published the Friday of Memorial Day weekend, are a considerable improvement over the prior scheme because they generally exempt from the permit requirement those using hand-held cameras, exempt photography or filming at protests and demonstrations, and eliminate onerous insurance requirements. Nonetheless, the new rules still would require City-issued permits and proof of insurance for any person using only a handheld camera in any public area if in a group of two or more and using the camera for more than thirty minutes. This requirement would sweep into the MOFTB permit scheme large numbers of people, particularly tourists, who congregate in public places throughout New York City -- like Times Square, Rockefeller Center, or Ground Zero -- and casually photograph or videotape. "This requirement makes no sense, violates the First Amendment right to photograph in public places, and opens the door to selective and discriminatory enforcement," said NYCLU Executive Director Donna Lieberman. "We see absolutely no reason why a family visiting Ground Zero or standing in line outside the Empire State Building for half an hour should be required to obtain a permit from New York City to snap casual photographs or to use a camcorder," said NYCLU Associate Legal Director Christopher Dunn, who submitted the NYCLU's comments. A second provision to which the NYCLU objects would require small groups using a single tripod for more than ten minutes to obtain a permit. http://www.nyclu.org/nyc_photo_permits_pr_062807.html |
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Posted by Bingham C50 on Wed Jul 4 11:39:38 2007, in response to Re: City May Seek Permit and Insurance for Many Kinds of Public Photography, posted by Wallyhorse on Wed Jul 4 02:51:34 2007. Excellent points, and well taken. |
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Posted by error46146 on Wed Jul 4 12:45:52 2007, in response to Re: City May Seek Permit and Insurance for Many Kinds of Public Photography, posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Jul 2 06:04:20 2007. I failed it, only got a 46 |
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Posted by Scrabbleship on Wed Jul 4 15:03:08 2007, in response to Re: City May Seek Permit and Insurance for Many Kinds of Public Photography, posted by error46146 on Wed Jul 4 12:45:52 2007. You also are pretty young, a college degree and even some basic French comprehension (which is moot in much of the nation) plus a few years working experience will have you in like a pin. |
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Posted by Scrabbleship on Wed Jul 4 15:03:44 2007, in response to Re: City May Seek Permit and Insurance for Many Kinds of Public Photography, posted by error46146 on Wed Jul 4 12:45:52 2007. You also are pretty young, a college degree and even some basic French comprehension (which is moot in much of the nation) plus a few years working experience will have you in like a pin.By the way, I passed it: I got a 71. I await Olog's plea for me to leave yesterday:) |
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Posted by AlM on Wed Jul 4 17:53:47 2007, in response to Re: City May Seek Permit and Insurance for Many Kinds of Public Photography, posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Jul 2 06:34:08 2007. Went to Canada a couple of weeks ago ... getting in to visit some friends was a rather spirited game of twenty questions, presenting an itinerary and handing over lots of documents. Coming back into the US was a 5 minute exercise. Canada seems to be taking the whole thing a lot more seriously than WE are ... should be amusing watching the boy TRY to illegally enter Canada. :)Did you show a passport? I've never been delayed long entering Canada with a passport. I HAVE been carefully questioned on rentering the US. For example, entering into WA from BC: - Where are you from? - NYC. - How long have you been in Canada? - Two days. - Let me look in your trunk. After search: - You came all the way from NYC just to spend 2 days in Canada? - Sure, I spent 8 days in the west, but only 2 were in BC. The rest were in WA. (This idea had never occurred to the guy.) |
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Posted by R30A on Wed Jul 4 17:58:34 2007, in response to Re: City May Seek Permit and Insurance for Many Kinds of Public Photography, posted by AlM on Wed Jul 4 17:53:47 2007. I went to canada this january.The most thurough questioning was done on our way across the border into canada. By US Customs. |
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Posted by Dan Lawrence on Sat Jul 14 13:54:31 2007, in response to Re: City May Seek Permit and Insurance for Many Kinds of Public Photography, posted by Scrabbleship on Sun Jul 1 21:16:05 2007. Maryland is so Democratic the Republican Party in any way, shape or form is irreverent. They haven't had a majority since WWII and modern Maryland political history hasn't had a Republican Governor succeed themselves since 1947. Only twice in the last 45 years has a Republican occupied the State House and that was because the Democrats screwed up and I was around to see both. #1 was Agnew and #2 was Erlich. At least he didn't get indited for something. He wound up on Talk Radio, which is were most Republicans wind up in the Free State. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sat Jul 14 15:50:09 2007, in response to City May Seek Permit and Insurance for Many Kinds of Public Photography, posted by Hoghead on Fri Jun 29 03:31:21 2007. This legislation must be shot down. |
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Posted by Fred G on Sat Jul 14 17:30:05 2007, in response to Re: City May Seek Permit and Insurance for Many Kinds of Public Photography, posted by BMTLines on Tue Jul 3 17:12:22 2007. I'd give up all the electronic gadgets and a couple years of perceived life expectancy to go back to the days before they started saying NO to everything. What we have now is a bunch of electronic data junkies who can't sleep and suffer from depression. Such progress.your pal, Fred |
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