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Posted by Nilet on Sun Apr 29 21:48:04 2007, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— PROPERTY DESTROYED!, posted by David of Broadway on Sun Apr 29 21:42:12 2007. I didn't show them the paper immediately. Sorry if I gave that impression; I kinda breezed through the encounters with the TA personel and went straight to me dealing with the cops. Of course, when the cops came, I actually had the paper in hand. |
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Posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Sun Apr 29 21:48:11 2007, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— PROPERTY DESTROYED!, posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Apr 29 21:47:36 2007. Police never win. |
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Posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Sun Apr 29 21:48:32 2007, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— PROPERTY DESTROYED!, posted by Nilet on Sun Apr 29 21:48:04 2007. me, you, railfanning, set date. |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Sun Apr 29 21:49:18 2007, in response to ROBBED BY A COP— PROPERTY DESTROYED!, posted by Nilet on Sun Apr 29 20:42:32 2007. if i lived there i would go with you taking photosi hope you got badge # numbers ID etc... record the time and date / station location etc.... file a complaint wirte letters / photocopy them sned them out to news media etc.. file a ACLU complaint on line ............ http://www.aclu.org/ ................ http://www.nyclu.org/about.html ............................. New York Civil Liberties Union 125 Broad Street, 19th Floor, New York NY 10004 phone 212-607-3300 fax 212-607-3318 and 212-607-3329 ................................. I think i would join and have more teeth to bite back |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Apr 29 21:49:35 2007, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— PROPERTY DESTROYED!, posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Sun Apr 29 21:48:32 2007. this should be good |
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Posted by Nilet on Sun Apr 29 21:49:44 2007, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— PROPERTY DESTROYED!, posted by Transit Guy on Sun Apr 29 21:42:12 2007. You didn't take that with the camera involved did you?It's an old picture. I did take it with the camera involved, but a long time ago. I just pulled it from my Photobucket account right now. |
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Posted by Grand concourse on Sun Apr 29 21:50:30 2007, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— PROPERTY DESTROYED!, posted by Nilet on Sun Apr 29 21:44:35 2007. Damn that's horrible. Did you add that 'you were sorry and will leave?'Sometimes just leaving isn't the best idea. I try not to take chances and just concede to avoid any further confrontations |
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Posted by Transit Guy on Sun Apr 29 21:50:39 2007, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— PROPERTY DESTROYED!, posted by zdeno on Sun Apr 29 21:41:32 2007. I actually called them dumb pigs and they haven't done anything for me except slow response times and issue tickets to only certain areas. I can care less what you wish on me because I can easily support my previous statements about them. The fact of the matter is, there are cops who are dumb and who abuse their power (obviously not all cops), read the original post if you don't believe me. |
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Posted by Transit Guy on Sun Apr 29 21:51:28 2007, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— PROPERTY DESTROYED!, posted by Nilet on Sun Apr 29 21:49:44 2007. Oh ok. |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Sun Apr 29 21:53:03 2007, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— PROPERTY DESTROYED!, posted by streetcarman1 on Sun Apr 29 21:45:53 2007. there you go !!and have some one with a small videocamera across the station ready to shoot a full video |
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Posted by Nilet on Sun Apr 29 21:53:05 2007, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— PROPERTY DESTROYED!, posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Sun Apr 29 21:48:32 2007. Umkay...Sorry, I'm still a little on edge from the whole incident. My schedule is probably more open then yours, so you should probably say what times (and places) are convenient first. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Apr 29 21:55:07 2007, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— PROPERTY DESTROYED!, posted by David of Broadway on Sun Apr 29 21:45:38 2007. The NYCT personnel may have been acting of their own volition. If not, then yes, something should be done. But I suspect that it would be harder to effect change within NYCT, and would solve less of the immediate problems, than dealing with how the NYPD treated Nilet. The NYPD is the much bigger problem here. |
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Posted by Nilet on Sun Apr 29 21:56:08 2007, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— PROPERTY DESTROYED!, posted by The Queen on Sun Apr 29 21:43:30 2007. It seems to be Windows-only. Thanks, though. I could probably use one of the Windows machines at school. |
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Posted by J trainloco on Sun Apr 29 22:00:00 2007, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— PROPERTY DESTROYED!, posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Sun Apr 29 21:48:11 2007. You're clearly not from round where I'm from. |
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Posted by The Queen on Sun Apr 29 22:00:45 2007, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— PROPERTY DESTROYED!, posted by Nilet on Sun Apr 29 21:56:08 2007. Ok, I sent you another E-MAIL.Try that one |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sun Apr 29 22:02:49 2007, in response to ROBBED BY A COP— PROPERTY DESTROYED!, posted by Nilet on Sun Apr 29 20:42:32 2007. Assuming your version of events is accurate and that you did nothing that would be hazardous or illegal (ie trespass or use flash) then you have grounds for a lawsuit and monetary damages.You also could ask a lawyer if you have grounds to obtain a restraining order or injunction, which would be signed by a judge, ordering the NYPD and TA to not interfere with your picture taking or video in any way. I am not a lawyer, so I don't know if that's possible to do, but I imagine it could be. Goo luck. |
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Posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Sun Apr 29 22:03:25 2007, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— PROPERTY DESTROYED!, posted by Nilet on Sun Apr 29 21:53:05 2007. Maybie sometime next weekend. When your with me, you should be OK. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sun Apr 29 22:03:57 2007, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— PROPERTY DESTROYED!, posted by Nilet on Sun Apr 29 21:05:31 2007. Carry a pad of paper and pen with you next time, in addition to the camera. |
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Posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Sun Apr 29 22:04:29 2007, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— PROPERTY DESTROYED!, posted by J trainloco on Sun Apr 29 22:00:00 2007. Then they win were your from. |
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Posted by zdeno on Sun Apr 29 22:04:35 2007, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— PROPERTY DESTROYED!, posted by Transit Guy on Sun Apr 29 21:50:39 2007. Sure. Every group has some bad seeds. |
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Posted by J trainloco on Sun Apr 29 22:05:08 2007, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— PROPERTY DESTROYED!, posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Sun Apr 29 22:03:25 2007. Because you run NYC. |
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Posted by J trainloco on Sun Apr 29 22:06:11 2007, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— PROPERTY DESTROYED!, posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Sun Apr 29 22:04:29 2007. Yes, sometimes, they win. |
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Posted by Nilet on Sun Apr 29 22:06:16 2007, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— PROPERTY DESTROYED!, posted by Grand concourse on Sun Apr 29 21:50:30 2007.  I didn't apologize specifically, but I agreed to leave. They later chased after me and deleted them then. Incidentally, my parents just suggested right now that their main motive was to delete their own badge numbers from my camera. I don't know whether this is true or not, but it's a theory that they suggested. Since I'd recorded their information on my camera, perhaps they thought they could get away with deleting it? I checked my camera immediately after they gave it back and then chased them down again to regain their badge numbers. They paused briefly to let me recopy them. Perhaps they figured they could get away before I realized their badge numbers were deleted but didn't want to push their luck by directly refusing to give their badge numbers when asked? It's an idea, though it's unconfirmed at the moment. |
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Posted by Nilet on Sun Apr 29 22:07:53 2007, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— PROPERTY DESTROYED!, posted by RonInBayside on Sun Apr 29 22:02:49 2007. Thanks.I can't get a lawyer on a Sunday night, but I'll keep your advice in mind. |
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Posted by Nilet on Sun Apr 29 22:08:47 2007, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— PROPERTY DESTROYED!, posted by The Queen on Sun Apr 29 22:00:45 2007. Received and responded to. Gracias. |
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Posted by The Queen on Sun Apr 29 22:20:20 2007, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— PROPERTY DESTROYED!, posted by zdeno on Sun Apr 29 22:04:35 2007. So true Harry.I hope you looked at yourself in the mirror after you made that comment |
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Posted by WayneJay on Sun Apr 29 22:28:22 2007, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— PROPERTY DESTROYED!, posted by Nilet on Sun Apr 29 21:11:14 2007. It's the principle and the fact that they were wrong. They basically told you that you can't do anything to them because you have no evidence. It's your word against theirs, but I'd say it's worth taking some action. |
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Posted by zdeno on Sun Apr 29 22:29:09 2007, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— PROPERTY DESTROYED!, posted by The Queen on Sun Apr 29 22:20:20 2007. hardee har har... i am not part of this group therefore I can't be the "bad apple". |
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Posted by IRT Rules on Sun Apr 29 22:31:30 2007, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— PROPERTY DESTROYED!, posted by WayneJay on Sun Apr 29 22:28:22 2007. Yes I agree with Wayne but then again it involves time and money...otherwise its just your word against there's. |
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Posted by J trainloco on Sun Apr 29 22:32:25 2007, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— PROPERTY DESTROYED!, posted by zdeno on Sun Apr 29 22:29:09 2007. You continue to participate. Makes you part of the group, whether you want to admit it or not. |
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Posted by The Queen on Sun Apr 29 22:34:44 2007, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— PROPERTY DESTROYED!, posted by J trainloco on Sun Apr 29 22:32:25 2007. THANK YOU 'J trainloco' |
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Posted by LA Blue Line on Sun Apr 29 22:34:44 2007, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— PROPERTY DESTROYED!, posted by zdeno on Sun Apr 29 22:29:09 2007. But you are part of the group. That's why you were at the rodeo. You gotta get in where you fit in. |
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Sun Apr 29 22:40:56 2007, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— PROPERTY DESTROYED!, posted by Transit Guy on Sun Apr 29 21:38:31 2007. ["Damn man thats crazy, I'm sorry to hear that. Most cops are dumb pigs."]I have notches on my nightstick from people like you.
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Posted by J trainloco on Sun Apr 29 22:42:15 2007, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— PROPERTY DESTROYED!, posted by Jeff Rosen on Sun Apr 29 22:40:56 2007. Yeah. MOST cops are NOT dumb pigs. A few are. |
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Posted by Fred G on Sun Apr 29 22:46:09 2007, in response to ROBBED BY A COP— PROPERTY DESTROYED!, posted by Nilet on Sun Apr 29 20:42:32 2007. Wow, over the top and outrageous!I'm sorry to hear of your ordeal; it's been a while since we've heard a tale like this. I thought this kind of thing was in the past. If you're gonna sue, talk with an attorney, not SubChat. If you intend to sue, you have work to do. You have more than 24 hours to deal with this so there's no need to rush (but don't shilly-shally either). Make sure your documentation is in order, like your notes regarding the incident. Organize all your pertinent data and if you don't have stuff like badge numbers/names, don't worry, as an accurate time will mesh with the officers' report for that time. You may want to set that flashcard aside until you hear otherwise from counsel; it may not make any difference but it wouldn't hurt to err on the side of preserving evidence. If you don't intend to sue, you'll probably still want to file a complaint with the NYPD and contact the ACLU. Putting you in cuffs puts this over top. Others here, like Bob Anderson have experience mounting a challenge with the ACLU so you may wanna ask... Lastly, if you're making this shit up, we're gonna beat u like a red-headed step child :D I keed, I keed! your pal, Fred |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Apr 29 22:48:33 2007, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— PROPERTY DESTROYED!, posted by The Queen on Sun Apr 29 22:34:44 2007. I agree. Thank you as well. |
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Posted by QM18Express on Sun Apr 29 22:53:07 2007, in response to ROBBED BY A COP— PROPERTY DESTROYED!, posted by Nilet on Sun Apr 29 20:42:32 2007. I am so sorry to hear that. What time all of this occur? |
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Posted by Parkchester (East 177th St) on Sun Apr 29 23:02:38 2007, in response to ROBBED BY A COP— PROPERTY DESTROYED!, posted by Nilet on Sun Apr 29 20:42:32 2007. First off, I've had my own encounters with the cops (although not photography related), so I know exactly how you felt and it is a damn shame that you had to be put through that.Secondly, its a good thing that you managed to get the cops badge numbers, as that means you could positively identify them later on in case you decide to launch a civil action against them, the Dept., or both. What I would also do is to get the time, the order of events, and the locations down cold. Thirdly, when the opportunity permits, I would seek out an attorney, either ACLU or someone else (within your budget, of course). If you decide to retain whoever you find, be sure to relate all of the facts to them as they happened - they will figure out what can and cannot be attacked about the officer's actions at that point (and trust me on this: they might find that it was not one thing but something else that is implicated by those officers' action, depending on what you tell them). Oh yeah, and do file the complaint against the officers. |
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Posted by BMTLines on Sun Apr 29 23:28:13 2007, in response to ROBBED BY A COP— PROPERTY DESTROYED!, posted by Nilet on Sun Apr 29 20:42:32 2007. I told them I’d like to record their badge numbers (on my camera, since I had no paper; I told them I’d cover the lens if they wanted) and recorded numbers, then proceded to walk out to the shuttle buses. As I was leaving, one of the same cops from before came up, told me to wait, then handcuffed me and ordered me to sit on a bench. Her partner followed and stood nearby while she took the camera away and out of sight.It appears that asking for their badge numbers ticked them off - up to that point you could have walked away unscathed. Carry a pen and paper and try to remember the badge numbers till you can write them down. I know its legal to ask for badge numbers but this method avoids some of the immediate confrontation. Then you can file complaints with the ACLU and the CCRB... The ACLU is quite interested in cases of photographer harassment - don't let this drop. |
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Posted by NewLots#2 on Sun Apr 29 23:30:10 2007, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— PROPERTY DESTROYED!, posted by Parkchester (East 177th St) on Sun Apr 29 23:02:38 2007. I don't think you have a case as you have no actual proof of being handcuffed and having had the camera taken unless you got some names addresses and phone numbers of witnesses. You see there is no arrest record, or any record (unless one of the cops wrote up the incident) and you will need something besides your word against theirs. Sorry, that's the way it is. Did you get any names and phone numbers and addresses of independent witnesses to the incident? In that case, you could sue. Otherwise, you're SOL.Sorry to pour a cold bucket of water on the lawsuit happy brigade here. |
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Posted by Nilet on Sun Apr 29 23:35:00 2007, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— PROPERTY DESTROYED!, posted by QM18Express on Sun Apr 29 22:53:07 2007. I was out of the subway and on the street at about 7 PM. (6:55?) I'm afraid I don't know exactly when everything started. If I can recover the pics, I can look at EXIF data, but until then I can only estimate maybe 6:30. Or 6:40. |
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Posted by Nilet on Sun Apr 29 23:38:08 2007, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— PROPERTY DESTROYED!, posted by Fred G on Sun Apr 29 22:46:09 2007. Yeah, I haven't been bothered by cops since the two of us were pulled off the PATCO train in Philly! (Well, maybe once since then?) I don't know whether or not I'm going to sue. In part, it depends on whether or not I can recover the pics. It turns out that's more likely than I'd previously thought. I'm going to file a complaint in any case. I'm certainly not making it up. Unfortunately, I don't get the reference, so I can't respond in kind. :) |
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Posted by BMTLines on Sun Apr 29 23:40:38 2007, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— PROPERTY DESTROYED!, posted by Nilet on Sun Apr 29 21:36:32 2007. Maybe we could turn this into a class action....Oh wait There already is one August 7, 2006 -- The New York Civil Liberties Union today expanded a federal lawsuit to challenge the New York City Police Department's treatment of photographers and filmmakers. In the amended complaint filed this morning in United States District Court in Manhattan, the NYCLU alleged that NYPD officers are unlawfully detaining photographers and threatening them with arrest if they will not destroy their images or show them to police officers. Contact the NYCLU and see if you can be added to the list |
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Posted by Nilet on Sun Apr 29 23:41:32 2007, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— PROPERTY DESTROYED!, posted by BMTLines on Sun Apr 29 23:40:38 2007. Ah, thanks muchly for the link. |
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Posted by Kriston Lewis on Sun Apr 29 23:41:51 2007, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— PROPERTY DESTROYED!, posted by zdeno on Sun Apr 29 20:59:26 2007. |
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Posted by LA Blue Line on Sun Apr 29 23:44:26 2007, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— PROPERTY DESTROYED!, posted by NewLots#2 on Sun Apr 29 23:30:10 2007. You assume much to reach this conclusion so forgive the rest of us if we take it for what it's worth. |
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Posted by BMTLines on Sun Apr 29 23:56:43 2007, in response to ROBBED BY A COP— PROPERTY DESTROYED!, posted by Nilet on Sun Apr 29 20:42:32 2007. Sometimes cops don't mind pictures.... |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Mon Apr 30 00:07:43 2007, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— PROPERTY DESTROYED!, posted by Kriston Lewis on Sun Apr 29 23:41:51 2007. ROFL |
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Posted by Canton Viaduct on Mon Apr 30 00:08:01 2007, in response to ROBBED BY A COP— PROPERTY DESTROYED!, posted by Nilet on Sun Apr 29 20:42:32 2007. Nilet, I'm sorry to hear about your story. Since you were able to obtain the badge numbers of the cops, you should file CCRB complaints tomorrow morning. Be aware that even if your complaints hit brick walls, just the fact that they're on file can hurt the promotion of officers. You should also tell your story to Sam Unger at the NYCLU. The organization has spent over a year compiling similar stories for a much larger lawsuit against the NYPD. Even if the group can't help you personally, they might be able to lead you in the right direction should you wish to proceed with your own lawsuit of some sort. In this case, it's worth considering. Based on the story, a number of your constitutional rights were violated. |
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Posted by Grand concourse on Mon Apr 30 00:37:55 2007, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— PROPERTY DESTROYED!, posted by RonInBayside on Sun Apr 29 22:03:57 2007. They might take those too, so that won't be much help either. |
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