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Re: Intermediate Station Fare Payment on SIRT (was:Re: Scrap pecking order with R44-SI) |
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Posted by J trainloco on Sun Sep 3 22:25:18 2006, in response to Re: Intermediate Station Fare Payment on SIRT (was:Re: Scrap pecking order with R44-SI), posted by tydev417 on Sun Sep 3 22:23:25 2006. We are PAYING for our trains at St. George, the station with the highest ridership on the line.And? I don't only pay for my train at high ridership stations. No, they were actually thoughtless remarks made by you. Staten Island should become it's own municipality because they complain just like every single borough does at one time or another? They complain over stupidity. |
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Posted by R42 4787 on Sun Sep 3 22:28:19 2006, in response to Re: Scrap pecking order with R44-SI, posted by Christopher Rivera on Sat Sep 2 19:48:55 2006. Wait until the M-9 is ready, then make a special version for the SIR. |
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Posted by J trainloco on Sun Sep 3 22:30:11 2006, in response to Re: Scrap pecking order with R44-SI, posted by R42 4787 on Sun Sep 3 22:28:19 2006. What is this M-9 of which you speak? |
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Re: Intermediate Station Fare Payment on SIRT (was:Re: Scrap pecking order with R44-SI) |
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Posted by tydev417 on Sun Sep 3 22:33:23 2006, in response to Re: Intermediate Station Fare Payment on SIRT (was:Re: Scrap pecking order with R44-SI), posted by J trainloco on Sun Sep 3 22:25:18 2006. And? I don't only pay for my train at high ridership stations.It should already be known that the the cost of installing the turnstiles on the SIR would exceed the amount of money generated from ridership. They complain over stupidity. Your opinions don't equal fact. Staten Island has problems just like Manhattan, Brooklyn, Queens and the Bronx, so I fail to see your point. Queens had traffic problems on Queens Blvd, the people complained and the DOT attempted to fix it. Staten Island has various traffic problems, they complain and the DOT is in the process of solving some of these problems. East Side Commuters complained about the lack of subway service, the MTA pushed for the Second Avenue Subway. North Shore commuters complained about the crowded and infrequent buses during rush hours, the MTA and the City are putting the North Shore Line under planning. |
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Posted by AlM on Sun Sep 3 22:34:11 2006, in response to Re: Intermediate Station Fare Payment on SIRT (was:Re: Scrap pecking order with R44-SI), posted by TheGreatOne2k6 on Sun Sep 3 16:44:27 2006. Just take (4) to Fordham Road and get Bx12 or (5) to 3 Av and get Bx15 or Bx55((8) train replacement) or even Bx41.I've considered that and even tried it once or twice. It adds half an hour each way to what is otherwise already a one hour 10 minute commute. |
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Re: Intermediate Station Fare Payment on SIRT (was:Re: Scrap pecking order with R44-SI) |
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Posted by J trainloco on Sun Sep 3 22:44:17 2006, in response to Re: Intermediate Station Fare Payment on SIRT (was:Re: Scrap pecking order with R44-SI), posted by tydev417 on Sun Sep 3 22:33:23 2006. It should already be known that the the cost of installing the turnstiles on the SIR would exceed the amount of money generated from ridership.No, it wouldn't. Maybe it wouldn't recoup in a day. Or even a year. But it would eventually recoup. Your opinions don't equal fact. Staten Island has problems just like Manhattan, Brooklyn, Queens and the Bronx, so I fail to see your point. Often on a far smaller scale. A great example of stupid complaining was the whiners who got Fresh Kills shut down without a suitable alternative in place. Queens had traffic problems on Queens Blvd, the people complained and the DOT attempted to fix it. Staten Island has various traffic problems, they complain and the DOT is in the process of solving some of these problems. East Side Commuters complained about the lack of subway service, the MTA pushed for the Second Avenue Subway. North Shore commuters complained about the crowded and infrequent buses during rush hours, the MTA and the City are putting the North Shore Line under planning. The issue is that the problems in other boros are often greater than the problems in SI. There's a good reason for that too. |
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Posted by tydev417 on Sun Sep 3 22:58:06 2006, in response to Re: Intermediate Station Fare Payment on SIRT (was:Re: Scrap pecking order with R44-SI), posted by J trainloco on Sun Sep 3 22:44:17 2006. No, it wouldn't. Maybe it wouldn't recoup in a day. Or even a year. But it would eventually recoup.Not when other factors would be involved such as weatherproofing the Metrocard turnstiles as mention earlier, rearranging the platforms for the implementation of a fare-zone at all the stations which could involve losing staircase entrances or expanding some platforms. Often on a far smaller scale. A great example of stupid complaining was the whiners who got Fresh Kills shut down without a suitable alternative in place.u You accuse the Staten Islanders of being stupid whiners for wanting to shut down the largest refuse heap in human history? Staten Island's population had already grew to large proportions by the time the landfill was closed and the landfill produced exceedingly high levels of pollution to the surrounding areas. |
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Posted by tydev417 on Sun Sep 3 23:00:27 2006, in response to Re: Intermediate Station Fare Payment on SIRT (was:Re: Scrap pecking order with R44-SI), posted by J trainloco on Sun Sep 3 22:44:17 2006. The issue is that the problems in other boros are often greater than the problems in SI. There's a good reason for that too.If that were actually true and in effect, Staten Island would have seceded from New York City years ago. |
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Posted by J trainloco on Sun Sep 3 23:02:40 2006, in response to Re: Intermediate Station Fare Payment on SIRT (was:Re: Scrap pecking order with R44-SI), posted by tydev417 on Sun Sep 3 22:58:06 2006. Not when other factors would be involved such as weatherproofing the Metrocard turnstiles as mention earlier, rearranging the platforms for the implementation of a fare-zone at all the stations which could involve losing staircase entrances or expanding some platforms.It would still eventually re-coup. Esp since SI is growing. You accuse the Staten Islanders of being stupid whiners for wanting to shut down the largest refuse heap in human history? Staten Island's population had already grew to large proportions by the time the landfill was closed and the landfill produced exceedingly high levels of pollution to the surrounding areas. Queens residents should complain about the noise from the airports, and demand that they be closed. And the Ravenswood electric plant? It generates a large percent of the pollution experienced in NYC. CLOSE IT NOW!!! |
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Posted by J trainloco on Sun Sep 3 23:04:57 2006, in response to Re: Intermediate Station Fare Payment on SIRT (was:Re: Scrap pecking order with R44-SI), posted by tydev417 on Sun Sep 3 23:00:27 2006. It is true. Face reality, or live in denial. |
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Posted by R7 Torresdale Express on Sun Sep 3 23:06:34 2006, in response to Re: Intermediate Station Fare Payment on SIRT (was:Re: Scrap pecking order with R44-SI), posted by tydev417 on Sun Sep 3 22:33:23 2006. It should already be known that the the cost of installing the turnstiles on the SIR would exceed the amount of money generated from ridership....so implement POP. |
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Posted by R7 Torresdale Express on Sun Sep 3 23:08:47 2006, in response to Re: Intermediate Station Fare Payment on SIRT (was:Re: Scrap pecking order with R44-SI), posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Sep 3 21:05:23 2006. Sorry, that's not good enough. There are plenty of people whose trips require two fares - much of Brooklyn to JFK Airport or Gateway Center Mall, for example. |
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Posted by R7 Torresdale Express on Sun Sep 3 23:10:13 2006, in response to Re: Scrap pecking order with R44-SI, posted by tydev417 on Sun Sep 3 21:25:07 2006. So close it down and make it a BRT ROW, lol. |
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Posted by tydev417 on Sun Sep 3 23:13:45 2006, in response to Re: Intermediate Station Fare Payment on SIRT (was:Re: Scrap pecking order with R44-SI), posted by J trainloco on Sun Sep 3 23:02:40 2006. It would still eventually re-coup. Esp since SI is growing.The MTA seems to think otherwise, when the time comes and the ridership begins to grow, the MTA may then consider it but for now, it's not affecting you so stop letting it be your problem. And believe me, I highly doubt the MTA would allow the North Shore line to be constructed without some form of Metrocard fare-base in mind. The Staten Island Growth Management Task Force in 2004 actually tried to put a cap on the amount of new houses being built on Staten Island. I remember for some time seeing a new townhouse being built on every street I turn on but I haven't seen too much new development as of late. Queens residents should complain about the noise from the airports, and demand that they be closed. And the Ravenswood electric plant? It generates a large percent of the pollution experienced in NYC. CLOSE IT NOW!!! But they're still not the largest garbage dump in history.. |
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Re: Intermediate Station Fare Payment on SIRT (was:Re: Scrap pecking order with R44-SI) |
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Posted by tydev417 on Sun Sep 3 23:15:22 2006, in response to Re: Intermediate Station Fare Payment on SIRT (was:Re: Scrap pecking order with R44-SI), posted by J trainloco on Sun Sep 3 23:04:57 2006. Why don't you stop living in your own world of opinions? |
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Posted by J trainloco on Sun Sep 3 23:18:18 2006, in response to Re: Intermediate Station Fare Payment on SIRT (was:Re: Scrap pecking order with R44-SI), posted by tydev417 on Sun Sep 3 23:13:45 2006. The MTA seems to think otherwise, when the time comes and the ridership begins to grow, the MTA may then consider it but for now, it's not affecting you so stop letting it be your problem.If SIlanders can complain about my boro getting new trains, I can complain about their FREE RIDES. But they're still not the largest garbage dump in history.. And? |
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Re: Intermediate Station Fare Payment on SIRT (was:Re: Scrap pecking order with R44-SI) |
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Posted by J trainloco on Sun Sep 3 23:18:48 2006, in response to Re: Intermediate Station Fare Payment on SIRT (was:Re: Scrap pecking order with R44-SI), posted by tydev417 on Sun Sep 3 23:15:22 2006. Why don't you stop living on Satan Isle? |
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Posted by WillD on Sun Sep 3 23:21:25 2006, in response to Re: Scrap pecking order with R44-SI, posted by J trainloco on Sun Sep 3 21:23:05 2006. What's wrong with POP? You'd need millions of dollars to change the platforms around for turnstiles and booths, and even more would need to be spent for every hour of operation on the SIRT to man those booths. With POP you could have the fare enforcement match the ridership, such that costs would not be excessive. Best of all the only thing needed would be some MVMs under a shelter at the stations. |
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Posted by J trainloco on Sun Sep 3 23:22:35 2006, in response to Re: Scrap pecking order with R44-SI, posted by WillD on Sun Sep 3 23:21:25 2006. POP sucks. It doesn't enforce the fare. |
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Re: Intermediate Station Fare Payment on SIRT (was:Re: Scrap pecking order with R44-SI) |
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Posted by tydev417 on Sun Sep 3 23:28:11 2006, in response to Re: Intermediate Station Fare Payment on SIRT (was:Re: Scrap pecking order with R44-SI), posted by J trainloco on Sun Sep 3 23:18:48 2006. Our problems are "small" as you say so why put all your time and energy into posting negative remarks about these "small" problems. Oh btw, I live in SI because of my family who moved to SI..... |
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Posted by J trainloco on Sun Sep 3 23:31:35 2006, in response to Re: Intermediate Station Fare Payment on SIRT (was:Re: Scrap pecking order with R44-SI), posted by tydev417 on Sun Sep 3 23:28:11 2006. Our problems are "small" as you say so why put all your time and energy into posting negative remarks about these "small" problems."All" my time and energy? haha. |
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Posted by tydev417 on Sun Sep 3 23:34:11 2006, in response to Re: Intermediate Station Fare Payment on SIRT (was:Re: Scrap pecking order with R44-SI), posted by J trainloco on Sun Sep 3 23:18:18 2006. If SIlanders can complain about my boro getting new trains, I can complain about their FREE RIDES.The Staten Island Railroad is located on the , there is still the rest of Staten Island that relys on crappy ass buses and pays the same $2.00 fare. |
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Re: Intermediate Station Fare Payment on SIRT (was:Re: Scrap pecking order with R44-SI) |
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Posted by J trainloco on Sun Sep 3 23:35:32 2006, in response to Re: Intermediate Station Fare Payment on SIRT (was:Re: Scrap pecking order with R44-SI), posted by tydev417 on Sun Sep 3 23:34:11 2006. The point being is that nothing where I live is free. You get a train line that's free. |
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Posted by tydev417 on Sun Sep 3 23:36:37 2006, in response to Re: Intermediate Station Fare Payment on SIRT (was:Re: Scrap pecking order with R44-SI), posted by J trainloco on Sun Sep 3 23:35:32 2006. http://www.subchat.com/read.asp?Id=306210 |
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Re: Intermediate Station Fare Payment on SIRT (was:Re: Scrap pecking order with R44-SI) |
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Posted by J trainloco on Sun Sep 3 23:41:56 2006, in response to Re: Intermediate Station Fare Payment on SIRT (was:Re: Scrap pecking order with R44-SI), posted by tydev417 on Sun Sep 3 23:36:37 2006. Did you read what I wrote? |
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Re: Intermediate Station Fare Payment on SIRT (was:Re: Scrap pecking order with R44-SI) |
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Posted by tydev417 on Sun Sep 3 23:43:52 2006, in response to Re: Intermediate Station Fare Payment on SIRT (was:Re: Scrap pecking order with R44-SI), posted by J trainloco on Sun Sep 3 23:41:56 2006. I read what you wrote, and I don't receive free train lines were I live either (north shore of SI), nothing but the area's bus lines. |
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Posted by tydev417 on Sun Sep 3 23:45:16 2006, in response to Re: Scrap pecking order with R44-SI, posted by R7 Torresdale Express on Sun Sep 3 23:10:13 2006. That would defeat the purpose then.. with the S74, S76, S78 and S79 all within the area. |
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Re: Intermediate Station Fare Payment on SIRT (was:Re: Scrap pecking order with R44-SI) |
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Posted by J trainloco on Sun Sep 3 23:59:58 2006, in response to Re: Intermediate Station Fare Payment on SIRT (was:Re: Scrap pecking order with R44-SI), posted by tydev417 on Sun Sep 3 23:43:52 2006. Oh. And do you live near the dump? (does anyone?) |
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Posted by R7 Torresdale Express on Mon Sep 4 00:12:35 2006, in response to Re: Scrap pecking order with R44-SI, posted by tydev417 on Sun Sep 3 23:45:16 2006. Even better, just close it down and replace it with nothing! |
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Posted by TheGreatOne2k6 on Mon Sep 4 00:17:10 2006, in response to Re: Intermediate Station Fare Payment on SIRT (was:Re: Scrap pecking order with R44-SI), posted by AlM on Sun Sep 3 22:34:11 2006. I guess Melrose would be quicker (8:06 train) short ride on Bx41, then a walk over to Park Avenue and 162nd St. |
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Posted by WillD on Mon Sep 4 01:09:27 2006, in response to Re: Scrap pecking order with R44-SI, posted by J trainloco on Sun Sep 3 23:22:35 2006. Ok. But that's purely your opinion. I'm going to go out on a limb that you actually know a little bit about what you're talking about, but you have ridden HBLRT, NCS, the Riverline, or some other POP using transit line, right? Did you not buy a ticket at any time you rode one of those lines? Did you happen to see anyone who either demonstrably was not paying the fare or was caught by fare inspectors? So long as people validate their tickets the fare is collected and the system works. Surely it's a better arrangement than the current system where anyone whose trip doesn't originate or terminate at St George rides free.And a combined fare control system with POP and a barrier fare control arrangement can be implemented. You could easily leave the fare gates at St George for use with the ticket used for POP. That way you get nearly 100% fare checking at St George with slightly less at the stations south of there. The only thing that'd have to be changed is the inclusion of MVMs at all SIRT stations, and what likely could be a slight hardware change on the turnstiles at St George. |
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Posted by R7 Torresdale Express on Mon Sep 4 01:29:21 2006, in response to Re: Scrap pecking order with R44-SI, posted by WillD on Mon Sep 4 01:09:27 2006. Actually if you could get it to spit out something similar to a bus transfer or SingleRide, you wouldn't need to modify the turnstiles at St. George. |
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Posted by Fytton on Mon Sep 4 06:28:32 2006, in response to Re: Scrap pecking order with R44-SI, posted by David of Broadway on Sun Sep 3 07:58:57 2006. If and when NYCT adopts Smartcards the problem would disappear - roving 'revenue control officers' (as they now seem to be called here in the UK) can be equipped with portable readers that can read the Smartcard and detect those who do not have valid authority for that particular journey on their card. In London these devices already exist, for roving inspectors to check Oyster cards.Checking magnetic strip cards (like Metrocards) this way wouldn't be possible, though, as the card does not carry its own history of swipes on it. In London this problem is avoided by making the magnetic-strip tickets human-readable (so that bus drivers can check One-Day Travelcards, for example). |
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Posted by Lou from Brooklyn on Mon Sep 4 06:49:23 2006, in response to Re: Intermediate Station Fare Payment on SIRT (was:Re: Scrap pecking order with R44-SI), posted by ALP44 on Sun Sep 3 14:30:48 2006. Jamie you didn't read you "Conditions of Use" on the MTA site:Regular MetroCard Conditions of Use No transfers from subway to subway or to the bus route on which you started. No transfers between these bus routes: downtown Fifth Av and uptown Madison Av buses (M1, M2, M3, M4) downtown Lexington Av and uptown Third Av buses (M101, M102, M103) southbound and northbound Grand Concourse buses (Bx1 and Bx2) M27 and M50 M31 and M57 M96 and M106 Bx40 and Bx42 Use of Regular MetroCard is subject to MTA New York City Transit tariff. |
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Posted by Lou from Brooklyn on Mon Sep 4 06:53:45 2006, in response to Re: Intermediate Station Fare Payment on SIRT (was:Re: Scrap pecking order with R44-SI), posted by tydev417 on Sun Sep 3 23:13:45 2006. A garbage dump that can be seen from Orbit!! |
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Posted by Lou from Brooklyn on Mon Sep 4 06:57:13 2006, in response to Re: Intermediate Station Fare Payment on SIRT (was:Re: Scrap pecking order with R44-SI), posted by tydev417 on Sun Sep 3 23:00:27 2006. <It did and Staten Island voters passed the seccession but there is this little thing called "Home Rule" where the entire city has to vote to allow Staten Island to leave. I know how I voted when I lived on SI, unless you can get your attitude to overwhelm the rest of the city residents, it will not happen. Seems people like you while complaining about FREE train on Staten Island still do not want to loose the tax base of that 16% of the population. Hmm.. conflict of intrest? |
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Posted by Lou from Brooklyn on Mon Sep 4 06:59:49 2006, in response to Re: Intermediate Station Fare Payment on SIRT (was:Re: Scrap pecking order with R44-SI), posted by RonInBayside on Sun Sep 3 11:47:10 2006. The actual number of riders not going to the ferry is very tiny. What are we talking dollars a day? |
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Posted by Rail Blue on Mon Sep 4 08:21:25 2006, in response to Re: Intermediate Station Fare Payment on SIRT (was:Re: Scrap pecking order with R44-SI), posted by Lou from Brooklyn on Mon Sep 4 06:49:23 2006. No transfers between these bus routes:downtown Fifth Av and uptown Madison Av buses (M1, M2, M3, M4) downtown Lexington Av and uptown Third Av buses (M101, M102, M103) southbound and northbound Grand Concourse buses (Bx1 and Bx2) M27 and M50 M31 and M57 M96 and M106 Bx40 and Bx42 In most cases, there'd be no sensible reason to transfer between those routes (you could create a plausible if slightly silly reason for M31/M57), but it does create some anomalies on the 3rd/Lex routes: 1) If you use the M101 as a 125th St Crosstown bus, you will have to wait for the M7 only on Lenox Av. 2) If you use the M102 on Lenox Av, you may only use the M60, M100, and Bx15 as 125th St Crosstown buses. 3) It seems someone forgot the M98. Ultimately, the "problem" is that the M101 is an extremely long, multi-purpose route. In a way, I'm slightly surprised it hasn't been cut back to its northern half and the M102 and M103's frequencies improved to compensate. |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Sep 4 08:48:59 2006, in response to Re: Scrap pecking order with R44-SI, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Sep 3 14:20:26 2006. < All R32-42's will go first (in what order is anyone's guess). >It goes in order of frame fatigue, body rot and MDBF. The R44 goes out way before the R32. The R44, R38, R40S go first. |
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Posted by tydev417 on Mon Sep 4 10:03:09 2006, in response to Re: Intermediate Station Fare Payment on SIRT (was:Re: Scrap pecking order with R44-SI), posted by Lou from Brooklyn on Mon Sep 4 06:59:49 2006. That's not true at all, there is heavy intra-borough travel in Staten Island during rush hours. Some bus lines tend to be jammed packed in both directions. |
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Posted by Fytton on Mon Sep 4 10:30:19 2006, in response to Re: Intermediate Station Fare Payment on SIRT (was:Re: Scrap pecking order with R44-SI), posted by tydev417 on Mon Sep 4 10:03:09 2006. "....there is heavy intra-borough travel in Staten Island during rush hours. Some bus lines tend to be jammed packed..."Yes, but on the buses people have to pay. The question relevant here is what proportion of the **SIR** passengers are travelling solely on the SIR, not using a bus to reach it, for which they would have to pay, and not travelling to St George (and soon Tompkinsville too), where they would have to pay to leave the station. |
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Posted by tydev417 on Mon Sep 4 10:35:24 2006, in response to Re: Intermediate Station Fare Payment on SIRT (was:Re: Scrap pecking order with R44-SI), posted by Fytton on Mon Sep 4 10:30:19 2006. Most stations on the SIR don't even have a bus connection, only 14 out of the 22 stations have some sort of bus stop nearby. |
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Posted by The Port of Authority on Mon Sep 4 12:22:44 2006, in response to Re: Intermediate Station Fare Payment on SIRT (was:Re: Scrap pecking order with R44-SI), posted by J trainloco on Sun Sep 3 21:56:22 2006. No. While other boroughs have far greater problems, SI manages to whine about it's small, inconsequential ones. They should have become their own seperate municipality so I wouldn't have to put up with their foolishness.Better yet, they should go back to NEW JERSEY. |
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Posted by Dan Lawrence on Mon Sep 4 17:20:09 2006, in response to Re: Intermediate Station Fare Payment on SIRT (was:Re: Scrap pecking order with R44-SI), posted by Lou from Brooklyn on Mon Sep 4 06:53:45 2006. Only from a close in orbit. From the moon, Earth looks like a big blue marble.Down in our Brooklyn (Baltimore) we have the Pennington Avenue Disposal Area (affectionaly called the Pennington Avenue Dump) which is as big or bigger than Fresh Kills. It accepts demolition debris and other large items. Since it was mentioned earlier in this thread that the SIR R44s are 33 years old. How old were the B&O MU-1 cars when the last ones were replaced by the R44SI's? |
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Posted by WillD on Mon Sep 4 20:33:19 2006, in response to Re: Intermediate Station Fare Payment on SIRT (was:Re: Scrap pecking order with R44-SI), posted by Dan Lawrence on Mon Sep 4 17:20:09 2006. Only from a close in orbit. From the moon, Earth looks like a big blue marble.It all depends upon how good your optics are. Turn a crater into a reflecting telescope with an array of hexagonal mirrors adding up to some 100+ meters in diameter and you could probably read license plates from the moon. Of course your telescope could run into the problems of atmospheric conditions, but those would only hamper the imaging for the first few miles from the source, rather than the last few miles as an earth based telescope has to deal with. But then there are much better uses for a 100 meter optical telescope than staring at earth looking for garbage dumps. Since it was mentioned earlier in this thread that the SIR R44s are 33 years old. How old were the B&O MU-1 cars when the last ones were replaced by the R44SI's? The MUE-1s were purchased in 1925 and were largely replaced by MP72s by 1972, a service life of 47 years. Those MP72s were a stopgap measure because apparantly the aging MUE-1s were in such bad shape that they were largely unfit for service and their replacement, the R44SI or MUE-2, would not be delivered for another year. Considering the amount of time required to get new rolling stock acquisitions through bureaucratic red tape now would seem to be the time to start the ball rolling on replacing the R44SIs around the time they turn 40. IMHO the MTA should look carefully at their options with the SIRT, whether they want to keep it compatible with the NYCTA system, or if it makes more sense to make it LRT compatible. |
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Posted by J trainloco on Mon Sep 4 20:56:30 2006, in response to Re: Intermediate Station Fare Payment on SIRT (was:Re: Scrap pecking order with R44-SI), posted by The Port of Authority on Mon Sep 4 12:22:44 2006. When were they part of Jersey? |
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Posted by J trainloco on Mon Sep 4 22:03:29 2006, in response to Re: Intermediate Station Fare Payment on SIRT (was:Re: Scrap pecking order with R44-SI), posted by WillD on Mon Sep 4 20:33:19 2006. IMHO the MTA should look carefully at their options with the SIRT, whether they want to keep it compatible with the NYCTA system, or if it makes more sense to make it LRT compatible.Haha, leave it to you to bring up LRVs for the SIR. Doing that would require a large amount of capital invested in stations as well as rolling stock. For that reason, it might not be a good idea. |
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Posted by ALP44 on Mon Sep 4 22:05:09 2006, in response to Re: Intermediate Station Fare Payment on SIRT (was:Re: Scrap pecking order with R44-SI), posted by R7 Torresdale Express on Sun Sep 3 23:08:47 2006. That's why they gave us unlimited Metrocards. The more you use it, the more you save.ALP 44 |
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Posted by R68A - 5200 on Tue Sep 5 01:42:16 2006, in response to Re: Intermediate Station Fare Payment on SIRT (was:Re: Scrap pecking order with R44-SI), posted by David of Broadway on Sun Sep 3 15:41:43 2006. You said:"The decision to eliminate fares to/from stops other than St. George was justified by the claim (I don't know if it's accurate or not) that the cost of installing and maintaining fare control equipment would exceed the revenue that it would bring in (in other words, that SIR would be even more of a money-loser with the fare control equipment than without). A similar justification was made for eliminating the ferry fare." I said: "The Staten Island Ferry *would not* be a money loser." 65,000 people are transported on a typical weekday on the Staten Island Ferry. |
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Posted by WillD on Tue Sep 5 03:27:06 2006, in response to Re: Intermediate Station Fare Payment on SIRT (was:Re: Scrap pecking order with R44-SI), posted by J trainloco on Mon Sep 4 22:03:29 2006. Haha, leave it to you to bring up LRVs for the SIR.Doing that would require a large amount of capital invested in stations as well as rolling stock. For that reason, it might not be a good idea. Not at all. They could very easily order a high floor LRV vehicle powered with third rail. The Bombardier Flexity Swift vehicles which the Rotterdam Metro uses are virtually identical to the low floor vehicles used here on the Minneapolis Hiawatha light rail line. The Rotterdam Metro 5300 series cars are a high floor, underrunning third rail powered Metro variant of the BBD Flexity Swift. Bombardier also has produced another high floor variant, the K5000 which Koln uses on their LRT lines, but that one has automatic steps to go between high and low platforms (albeit without ADA compatibility). It'd be entirely possible for the MTA to order a high floor, third rail powered LRT for service on the South Shore, and then a low floor, OHLE powered variant for the North Shore and any other LRTs created on SI. The two cars would be entirely compatible and it wouldn't be *that* hard to keep the two fleets separate. The existing right of ways could be maintained on the South Shore while new routes on SI are built for LRTs. If it'd really be that hard for the MTA to keep the two separate then they could easily order cars similar to Rotterdam's newer 5400 series cars, which are capable of operation on both third rail and overhead lines, just without ADA compatibility at low platforms (provided the cars are equipped with a K5000-like automatic step). If the MTA, NJT and PANJNY get serious about a regional transport system they could easily run HBLRT across the Bayonne Bridge down to the SI Mall. The MTA could then create their own LRT line on the Northern Branch with some sort of junction connecting to HBLRT where the Bayonne Bridge crosses it, and thus converting the SIRT to a more LRT-like vehicle would make sense, especially in terms of compatibility with the North Shore cars. |
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