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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Jul 28 12:10:13 2006, in response to Re: 49th Street-Broadway, posted by J trainloco on Fri Jul 28 12:04:30 2006. Look how narrow 49th St is in this photo: And worse, how narrow the Canal St express station is, even dangerously so. It was narrow to begin with, but those cement block tiles (which are still under the third renovation of Canal St tiles) take another 8-10 inches or so off the platform: 
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Posted by J trainloco on Fri Jul 28 12:18:32 2006, in response to Re: 49th Street-Broadway, posted by David of Broadway on Fri Jul 28 08:29:48 2006. They are not identical -- not even close.Yes, they are. They are the exact same pattern with differing colors. With the exceptions of the Fulton Street line south of Broadway Junction, most of the Concourse local stations, York Street, and 179th Street, it's the entire IND system that has precisely identical stations walls except for the color of the band and the name of the station. Really, the BMT/IRT is not much different. White tiles with a band at the top, and a large banner-style installation spaced x number of feet apart. The only difference with the BMT/IRT is that in addition to having differing colors, they also have differing arrangements of tile. Otherwise, its the exact same formula at EVERY station. I don't deny that the IND is much the same, or that the mosaics can be interesting at times, but what I am saying is that having every station fit the same pattern is boring to me. I'm not saying that the Refrigerator style is better, I'm saying its different from the pattern that the rest of the system follows. Other stations that I like because they don't follow the pattern Are the 63rd st tunnel stations (incl. 57/6), Bowling Green,and the Nuseum of Natural History. We need more stations that break the mold, not simply modify it. |
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Posted by South Ferry on Fri Jul 28 12:25:26 2006, in response to Re: 49th Street-Broadway.... & Cortlandt St, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Jul 28 11:04:49 2006. IIRC, 168th on the 1 still has the aforementioned back-less bench (seen pic at Cortlandt)... I happen to favor these kinds vs. teh ones that -HAVE- a back but have NARROWER seating width and R usually commonly attached (via backside) to ANOTHER bench, wherein all likelihood by the time you sit down, some1 on the other side has already sat down on the other side and if you lean back, you'd be practically on their shoulder, Sam. Times Square 1/2/3 is a perfect example of this kind of geesemesh. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Jul 28 12:30:09 2006, in response to Re: 49th Street-Broadway, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Jul 28 11:39:25 2006. Those aren't so bad. 33rd looks great. I wish they'd get rid of the seafoam green tile on the northbound platform extensions north of Brooklyn Bridge. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Jul 28 12:31:26 2006, in response to Re: 49th Street-Broadway, posted by J trainloco on Thu Jul 27 13:42:10 2006. Subway stations should represent the era they were constructed in. Orange brick belongs in the 1970's, and should be limited to 63rd St. and Archer Ave. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Jul 28 12:33:25 2006, in response to Re: 49th Street-Broadway, posted by xtimx on Thu Jul 27 13:49:54 2006. I've never actually seen what's under the tiles along 4th Ave. They're different here than along Broadway in Manhattan. |
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Posted by R30A on Fri Jul 28 12:34:46 2006, in response to Re: 49th Street-Broadway, posted by J trainloco on Fri Jul 28 12:18:32 2006. The pattern in canarsie stations never repeats. Same style, but never the same pattern, not even within one station!(except 8th ave) |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Jul 28 12:36:28 2006, in response to Re: 49th Street-Broadway, posted by R30A on Fri Jul 28 00:31:13 2006. The problem with "restoring" Bowling Green is that the uptown platform is fairly new and would require a complicated new tile job to match the older existing one. |
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Posted by R30A on Fri Jul 28 12:37:00 2006, in response to Re: 49th Street-Broadway, posted by J trainloco on Thu Jul 27 17:52:33 2006. "Modern Lighting"??You mean that shit they put in in renovated stations which uses more bulbs to produce less light then used by the old lights? |
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Posted by R30A on Fri Jul 28 12:38:13 2006, in response to Re: 49th Street-Broadway, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Jul 28 12:36:28 2006. Nothing the TA isnt capable of!They have done amazing jobs with pretty much all of the IRT/BMT rebuilds, being forced to recreate a lot of tilework, and doing quite a good job too. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Jul 28 12:40:31 2006, in response to Re: 49th Street-Broadway, posted by R7 Torresdale Express on Thu Jul 27 22:12:48 2006. You're insane. They're so much better today than they were with those Brady Bunch blocks that it defies debate. Canarsie line mosiacs are the best in the system, classic Art Deco very representative of their times. Montrose Ave is an absolute masterpiece. The Nassau St. line is also representative of it's times, with it's late Victorian, pre WWI Grecian designs, well replicated at Broad & Fulton. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Jul 28 12:45:01 2006, in response to Re: 49th Street-Broadway, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Jul 28 11:41:57 2006. And even though I'm not a huge fan of what was done at 28th, it's still an upgrade over the Brady Bunch Blocks-o-Banality. |
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Posted by R30A on Fri Jul 28 12:47:41 2006, in response to Re: 49th Street-Broadway, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Jul 28 12:45:01 2006. But IMHO, 28th makes up for the weirdness of the artwork by having some of the nicest original tiles of all dual contracts stations... |
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Posted by J trainloco on Fri Jul 28 12:49:04 2006, in response to Re: 49th Street-Broadway, posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Jul 28 12:01:23 2006. NM, I just realized what you meant. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Jul 28 12:49:05 2006, in response to Re: 49th Street-Broadway, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Jul 28 08:35:58 2006. The IND style is representative of IT'S times, the Depression-era minimalist & functional look. Note the original 8th Ave IND between Chambers and 207th has NO band at any of it's stations, just white tile and a simple station tablet. |
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Posted by J trainloco on Fri Jul 28 12:49:33 2006, in response to Re: 49th Street-Broadway, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Jul 28 12:01:48 2006. None on the BMT really, but there's a line full of them on the west side of manhattan.... |
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Posted by J trainloco on Fri Jul 28 12:50:18 2006, in response to Re: 49th Street-Broadway, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Jul 28 12:00:49 2006. And these buildings are examples of good design? |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Jul 28 12:54:34 2006, in response to Re: 49th Street-Broadway, posted by R30A on Fri Jul 28 12:38:13 2006. True, but the last time the MTA tried to recreate the look of a Contract I IRT subway station on a massive scale was at Brooklyn Bridge. I rememver when the side platforms were opened during it's rehab. The new scheme is an awful attempt to copy the old. |
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Posted by R30A on Fri Jul 28 12:55:46 2006, in response to Re: 49th Street-Broadway, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Jul 28 12:49:05 2006. Some have the Band all the expresses chambers-168, and(no idea why) spring |
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Posted by R30A on Fri Jul 28 12:57:00 2006, in response to Re: 49th Street-Broadway, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Jul 28 12:54:34 2006. look at 191.Almost ALL the tiles were replaced there. they did a great job. 66th is another example of great recreation work. |
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Posted by J trainloco on Fri Jul 28 12:58:03 2006, in response to Re: 49th Street-Broadway, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Jul 28 12:31:26 2006. Subway stations should represent the era they were constructed in.I don't agree with that. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Jul 28 12:58:33 2006, in response to Re: 49th Street-Broadway, posted by R30A on Fri Jul 28 12:55:46 2006. Maybe they felt that the more white tiles, the brighter the platform. The whole reason for using white tiles was to make maximum use of the older incandescent fixtures. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Jul 28 13:00:17 2006, in response to Re: 49th Street-Broadway, posted by J trainloco on Fri Jul 28 12:58:03 2006. Glad you're not in any position to affect MTA policy. Rehabilitation and restoration should always be considered inseperable concepts. |
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Posted by J trainloco on Fri Jul 28 13:00:50 2006, in response to Re: 49th Street-Broadway, posted by R30A on Fri Jul 28 12:37:00 2006. You mean that shit they put in in renovated stations which uses more bulbs to produce less light then used by the old lights?Yeah that's the stuff. While it doesn't produce less light, it does redirect some light (over the tracks) to create a better overall appearance for the station. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Jul 28 13:02:31 2006, in response to Re: 49th Street-Broadway, posted by R30A on Fri Jul 28 12:57:00 2006. Those were all rehabs which involved a lot of restoration of existing mosaics. Brooklyn Bridge was done from scratch, attempting to copy the mosaic which existed on the small, original segment of the station. |
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Posted by R30A on Fri Jul 28 13:02:42 2006, in response to Re: 49th Street-Broadway, posted by J trainloco on Fri Jul 28 13:00:50 2006. focusses it in some areas and not in others, producing spotty lighting and dark areas.Old lighting lights stations much better. |
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Posted by R30A on Fri Jul 28 13:04:02 2006, in response to Re: 49th Street-Broadway, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Jul 28 13:02:31 2006. Brooklyn bridge was also one of the first attempts at recreating tiles. I think it would be much better if done now.(not that it matters-- Brooklyn Bridge is so dim you cant see the tiling) |
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Posted by J trainloco on Fri Jul 28 13:11:19 2006, in response to Re: 49th Street-Broadway, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Jul 28 13:00:17 2006. Rehabilitation and restoration should always be considered inseperable concepts.This is your opinion. I don't agree with it. Many other people who are responsible for designing things stand on both sides of the argument. There is no right answer. I'm not against restoration. What I am against, is restoring EVERYTHING to the way it was. That's what you're proposing. As for the MTA, they didn't follow your idea with the rehab of Stillwell, so there's something to be said for both sides of the argument, no? |
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Posted by J trainloco on Fri Jul 28 13:16:11 2006, in response to Re: 49th Street-Broadway, posted by R30A on Fri Jul 28 13:02:42 2006. focusses it in some areas and not in others,That is exactly the point. The light creates neat effects and makes the platforms stand out more from the tracks. |
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Posted by R30A on Fri Jul 28 13:17:09 2006, in response to Re: 49th Street-Broadway, posted by J trainloco on Fri Jul 28 13:16:11 2006. and leaves many dark parts on the platform, leading to an overall dimmer(and dirtier) appearance |
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Posted by J trainloco on Fri Jul 28 13:22:09 2006, in response to Re: 49th Street-Broadway, posted by R30A on Fri Jul 28 13:17:09 2006. While dome parts of the platform may be somewhat darker than before, no part is dark to the point that you could consider it too dimly lit. In fact, more light is focused on the platforms now, as opposed to the old fixtures, which just throw light everywhere. |
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Posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Fri Jul 28 14:20:06 2006, in response to Re: 49th Street-BMT Broadway Line, posted by SUBWAYSURF on Thu Jul 27 10:38:26 2006. I actually agree with David on this one. The station in question has always been referred to as "49th Street - 7th Avenue", even though it's located on the BMT **Broadway** Line. North of Times Square, the IRT takes over as the "Broadway" line. If a novice or tourist was to look for a station at 49th Street & Broadway, they would most likely end up at the 50th Street station of the # 1 line.I wouldn't call it "nitpicking", I would just call it being accurate. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Jul 28 15:06:14 2006, in response to Re: 49th Street-BMT Broadway Line, posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Fri Jul 28 14:20:06 2006. It's nitpicking because I was talking about the Broadway line. What would make them walk one block north to 50th St station on the IRT than to walk a small hairline block (a few yards) to Broadway and 7th for 49th.Who cares. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Jul 28 15:07:07 2006, in response to Re: 49th Street-BMT Broadway Line, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Jul 28 15:06:14 2006. What would make them walk one block north to 50th St station on the IRT than to walk a small hairline block (a few yards) to Broadway and 7th for 49th.I meant 49th and 7th for the Bway. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Jul 28 15:10:12 2006, in response to Re: 49th Street-Broadway, posted by R30A on Fri Jul 28 13:02:42 2006. The "old lighting" if you mean the flourescent bulbs along the trackway is not the old lighting. The old original lighting lit up the vaults, such as it does at 49th, except that it was with dim bulbs. Putting the tubes in those vaults gives a mich nicer appearance to the station than that look where they just string a ling of tubes along the trackway.I agree, I like the way they do it when they light the vaulted areas of the ceiling up, like 49th. It's a much nicer look, and still gives plenty of light. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Jul 28 15:12:13 2006, in response to Re: 49th Street-Broadway, posted by R30A on Fri Jul 28 13:04:02 2006. Not to mention there's almost always a 6 train up against the wall. |
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Posted by R30A on Fri Jul 28 15:13:27 2006, in response to Re: 49th Street-Broadway, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Jul 28 15:10:12 2006. I have no problem with the tubes being in the ceiling. Its just that the string by the tracks provides substantially more light to the whole platform, as almost all of the light leaves the fixture. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Jul 28 15:13:52 2006, in response to Re: 49th Street-Broadway, posted by J trainloco on Fri Jul 28 12:50:18 2006. Who said they were? You said that "most companies build many buildings, and they don't all look alike". Mc Donald's, 7-11, etc and many others do build many buildings, and often times they do look alike. I didn't say anything about them being a "good" design, just that they are all similar. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Jul 28 15:17:11 2006, in response to Re: 49th Street-Broadway, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Jul 28 12:40:31 2006. Escatly! Well stated! And the IND stations are a representation of their times, and the COntract 1 stations are representation of their times, and so forth.If they built the 2nd Ave subway in the 70's, I would have no problem if they used that look in those stations, as it would have been representative of that era. I am sure they would have been spruced up with artwork by now, and they would have no reason to retile them in a mosaic style, and they probably wouldn't. I also would not expect the 2nd Ave subway of the current project to have "classic" BMT mosaics either. That would be silly. The stations will have their own unique design, and would be a representation of when THEY were built. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Jul 28 15:23:37 2006, in response to Re: 49th Street-Broadway, posted by J trainloco on Fri Jul 28 12:49:33 2006. Where? The local IND local stations don't have a ceiling band, but does have mosaic tablets, and repeating names. The West Side IRT has some extentions that were done in that "lovely" 1960's design, which will probably be "mosaic-ed" when they come up for renovation. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Jul 28 15:25:55 2006, in response to Re: 49th Street-Broadway, posted by R30A on Fri Jul 28 12:34:46 2006. And they are all different colors. The Canarsie line is the Pinacle of the IRT/BMT Dual Contract mosaics. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Jul 28 15:42:28 2006, in response to Re: 49th Street-Broadway, posted by J trainloco on Fri Jul 28 12:18:32 2006. The IRT and BMT is similar in design, becuase THAT WAS THE ERA, and that design is the "Dual Contract" design the city was using at the time (which involved both the IND and the BMT). Just like the city used the IND style later.I will copy and paste a piece I wrote over at SubTalk, and it probably should be updated, as it's a few years old now, and many of the photos are now down, so the link will bring you to the original writing, but I copy and pasted it here to add the proper links to the missing photos in it, but did not update the text. Some of the photos were missing because while many were my own, some were from nycsubway.org, and that one link changed: In the link below if you click it it will bring you to the original post, but Dave must have changed the links to the "Dual Contract" tile design photo to another, as that IRT photo of a train at Prospect shouldn't be there, and instead, a photo of typical dual contract tile: Evolution of NYC Subway TilePosted by GP38 Chris on Mon May 17 23:21:25 2004 After this thread, I thought I would sort of start a new thread about the evolution of NYC subway tile. Hopefully I am not missing anything, like I first did in a response in the above thread: -It all started in 1904 with the bas reliefs and elaborate mosaics at the Contract One stations:
-In the late teens and 1920's, one of the first evolutions was the loss of the bas reliefs and changing to all tile (mosaic) decoration which came into play during the dual contracts: Typical Dual Contract tile: -In the 1930's came the first major evolution in tile decoration with the dawn of the IND. The classic IND tile reflects heavily the clean crisp simpicity of the depression era. As Pig stated, the IND classic design is actually a play on the already simpified Dual Contract tile. There was still a colored ceiling band, although now without mosaic, and the name tablets had a simplified mosaic design. Instead of the mosaic monograms in the tile band, the IND had repeating simplified tile monograms (or name) matching the simplified tile ceiling band: Next came the local IRT extensions on the Lexington Line between Grand Central and Union Square and the Downtown sides of the local stations between Union Square and Brooklyn Bridge. These stations are clearly influenced by the IND, although a little more elaborate (remember the IRT was still a private company). The design is sort of a marrying of the IND look to the old Dual COntract look. These extensions do not match the original stations, however don't really clash with it either. At the same time, they added column encasings at these stations with the same font as the mosaics on the extensions. These column encasings sort of pulled together the old part of the stations with the extensions, making very attractive stations. 1930's tile column encasings: -With the 1940's came the war. The post WWII stations still retained the IND look, although it had evolved a bit into the "new style" IND tile. Gone was the small shiney tile, and a larger rougher sort of tile replaced it, although the classic IND look was still very noticable: -The early 1950's saw the "new style" IND tile change to verticle positioning: -This brings us finally to the late 1950's and to the platform extension tiles which were the start of the thread linked above. This is a further evolution of the IND tile. The colored band and repeating names remained, although they were moved into the band, and the mosiac name tablets finally left the walls after almost 6 decades: -Then came the late 1960's and early 1970's which finally lost the look of the IND (and the foundations of the IRT and BMT too). The "tile" evolved from the "new style" large tile to a simplified polished "refrigerator (cement block) tile" look, which is actually very much like the "new IND style" tiles as they were done in a tile fasion as opposed to the standard way you would "build a cement block wall". Still gone are mosaic tablets, just like the "1950's extension tile", but the color was actually taken away from the ceiling band and now placed where the station identification was placed: -The late 70's and early 80's brought the end of consistency, and many different tests and looks came into play. While I find 49th Street rather interesting, some of the others are quite bad, such as 137th St and Hoyt: Interestingly, many of these renovations are also somehow connected. Just as the Broadway line's late 60's refrigerator tile covers over the old walls with a brick or block type of wall, so do the 70's and early 80's renovations. Examples would be old Cortlandt IRT, 49th St, Hoyt, 137th St, etc. So in all the "mayhem" there is still a design element that links it to that era, just like all the tile design before it had been connected: -The 1980's also brought some of the worst design, and probably the most simplistic such as some horrendous renovations such as 23rd Lex in the fare control area. The 80's also brought floor tile (also at that station), and a more modern look, such as the Archer Ave stations. Even the Archer stations do have a connection to the "block" look that was common in the late 70's and early 80's" -But renovations finally began to turn around as it was finally realized what a gem much of the artwork in the subway was. They still kept the "block syle" of the 70's, but actually preserved the mosaics, such as at Wall St and 51st Steet: -Finally, the 1990's (well 1989) brought back a new phenomena....reproduction! The first reproductions or creation of mosaics were quite primitive, but the thought was there. The "simplicity" of just throwing up a metal sign was finally over. And Essex Street (and a small section of tile band at Graham Ave on the L by a utility room) led the way to the "repro" look, although is once again connected to the style before it....the cement block/brick look: Finally, this brings us to the late 90's and the 2000's. Today, they have restored old mosaics where they could or recreating ones damaged as needed, removing the mistakes of the past. They have gotten quite good, and sometimes even recreate mosaics that were never even there to where they should have been!
So basically, every type of tile throughout the decades does have a chain that sort of connects all the different styles. Let's see if the 2nd AVe subway will have at least one link to them as to not finally break the chain after 100 years.... |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Jul 28 15:52:01 2006, in response to Re: 49th Street-Broadway, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Jul 28 12:30:09 2006. Yes 33rd is fine (but that was done in the late 90's), I was talking about the 80's renovation to the contract one portion of 23rd St. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Jul 28 15:59:35 2006, in response to Re: 49th Street-Broadway, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Jul 28 12:33:25 2006. The original tiles on 4th Ave while somewhat similar to Broadway are also sort of different. While I have no idea what the tablets look like, you can get a glimpse of the monograms and ceiling band in the fare control areas. The font appears a little fancier I believe than Broadway. The 4th Ave line's design appears older, as it uses IRT -style brick white tiles, while the Broadway line went to the square tile look:   Interestingly, the 4th AVe subway had curtain walls, and the original, plain white tiles were left on those in the 70's when they renovated, yet they covered the mosaic walls.  The Canarse line mosaics toned the "fancieness of the font" down a bit by the time they were built in the late 20's. The Canarsie line uses a more "blocky" font, with less curles, etc. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Jul 28 16:01:47 2006, in response to Re: 49th Street-Broadway, posted by J trainloco on Fri Jul 28 13:11:19 2006. Stillwell had no tiles to speak, and there is no "design" to restore, other than slab platforms. |
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Posted by Brighton Private on Fri Jul 28 16:47:51 2006, in response to Evolution of Subway Tile Re: 49th Street-Broadway, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Jul 28 15:42:28 2006. The renewal of respect for the incredible design heritage of the subways is one of the MTA's greatest and most enduring achievements of the last 15-20 years.It is part of a larger trend in our culture favoring historic preservation (as with Grand Central), and also part of a trend that places greater value on the aesthetics of public places even where historic preservation is not the main goal, as in the new Coney Island terminal and the 1% for art movement. The extent to which it lifts the pride and spirits of New Yorkers every day is difficult to measure, but I believe it is significant, and the MTA -- so criticized for so many things -- deserves much of the credit. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Jul 28 16:51:39 2006, in response to Re: 49th Street-Broadway, posted by J trainloco on Fri Jul 28 13:11:19 2006. Stillwell WAS restored to it's former glory. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Jul 28 16:59:37 2006, in response to Re: 49th Street-Broadway, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Jul 28 15:59:35 2006. The 4th Ave line was mostly built before the Broadway line, this looking somewhat older in design. It was proposed and construction began before the Dual Contracts were signed, and anyone could have ended up running it, BRT, IRT or even the LIRR. |
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Posted by randyo on Fri Jul 28 17:42:11 2006, in response to Evolution of Subway Tile Re: 49th Street-Broadway, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Jul 28 15:42:28 2006. I was under the impression that the original Lex Av Line platform extensions S/O Gr Cent were done after city takeover. By the way, the original tiles at 14/8 on the BMT 14 St Line as well as the originals at Fulton and Broad on the Nassau St were strictly IND style even though the BMT WAS still a private company at that time. |
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Posted by David of Broadway on Fri Jul 28 17:59:59 2006, in response to Re: 49th Street-Broadway, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Jul 28 11:48:39 2006. That wasn't the LIRR style. That was NYCTA style as well until some time in the 80's. It wasn't unique to one style of station -- it was the systemwide standard. |
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