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Posted by DA74 on Mon Jan 16 07:26:10 2006 Why did they decide to to shut down the Richmond Hill station? Nowaday if passengers from this area want to use LIRR, how can they get access? Also how do people from this area head to Manhattan usually? Taking A train or the J? |
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Re: Richmond Hill |
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Posted by Joe on Mon Jan 16 07:49:56 2006, in response to Richmond Hill, posted by DA74 on Mon Jan 16 07:26:10 2006. The LIRR Richmond Hill station was served by the Montauk Branch, diesel only. When the double-decker Kawasakis were introduced, the LIRR decided that low patronage forbade raising the platforms at Glendale,Penny Bridge, Fresh Pond and Hagerman. Too expensive construction for too few people. Now, each morning two diesel trains go directly from Jamaica to Long Island City without intermediate stops. Apparently, the LIRR management, ever eager to reduce expenses where patronage is low, decided to abandon the Richmond Hill stop even though it was high platform. Imagine the lawsuit risk of someone falling on ice or broken concrete there.A few times I chose to ride the all-stop trains on this route. People did use it, as some of the stations are close to employment. However, the LIRR decided that not enough people used it. ---------- As to what Richmond Hill folk do for transportation to Manhattan, riding the Q10 to Kew Gardens used to cause a double fare. As midtown draws more workers than downtown draws, I bet most commuters go to the E or F rather than the J or Z. ---------- A Richmond Hill person desiring to use the LIRR would probably go to Kew Gardens or Jamaica. ---------- Of course, I would favor electrification of this line, with possible subway-style service, but the NIMBY's of Glendale killed this plan in the past, objecting to the frequency of noise and probably holding other reasons. |
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Re: Richmond Hill |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Jan 16 09:37:59 2006, in response to Richmond Hill, posted by DA74 on Mon Jan 16 07:26:10 2006. Why did they decide to to shut down the Richmond Hill station?It was closed when they closed the rest of the local stations between LIC and Jamaica. They only ran one local in each direction each weekday, so of course ridership was very slim. Of course when the new trains came without steps, they weren't going to raise the platforms at the other local stations (Richmond Hill was the only one with a hi level platform). At the end, in 1998: Richmond Hill only had 1 regular passenger a day, and an occasional random extra. Glendale had about 1 regular passenger, and an occasional random passenger. Fresh Pond had about 4-5 regular passengers, and some random extras sometimes Haberman had about 3-4 regular passengers Penny Bridge had 0 regular passengers. Fresh Pond was the "busiest" station on the line. Nowaday if passengers from this area want to use LIRR, how can they get access? The J's 121st St station is right next to the Richmond Hill station site, and is only one station away from Jamaica Station. Richmond Hill 1998  Richmond Hill 1997  |
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Re: Richmond Hill |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Jan 16 20:15:10 2006, in response to Re: Richmond Hill, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Jan 16 09:37:59 2006. There is no need to abandon Richmond Hill. It's high platform is compatible with the existing rolling stock. |
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Re: Richmond Hill |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Jan 16 22:09:10 2006, in response to Re: Richmond Hill, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Jan 16 20:15:10 2006. Richmond Hill and Penny Bridge were the least used stations on that line. There was no reason to keep it open either once all the other "stations" on that line were abandoned. |
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Re: Richmond Hill |
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Posted by ntrainride on Tue Jan 17 22:23:06 2006, in response to Re: Richmond Hill, posted by Joe on Mon Jan 16 07:49:56 2006. I surely do wish I could have been around when Brooklyn Manor station was open. A little over 20 minutes from Richmond Hill to Penn Station! The photo is from http://www.lirrhistory.com/rockpics.html" The trestle is still there anyway. |
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Posted by L Train on Wed Jan 18 01:22:17 2006, in response to Re: Richmond Hill, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Jan 16 20:15:10 2006. I honestly believe that had the LIRR provided adequate service more people would've used the lower Montauk. I guess they figured it was cheaper to discontinue service. |
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Re: Richmond Hill |
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Wed Jan 18 05:08:26 2006, in response to Re: Richmond Hill, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Jan 16 22:09:10 2006. And also, without Richmond Hill, they have more flexibility to be able to reroute trains through the Main Line to Long Island City. |
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Re: Richmond Hill |
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Posted by Line 13 on Wed Jan 18 08:07:30 2006, in response to Re: Richmond Hill, posted by L Train on Wed Jan 18 01:22:17 2006. But it doesn't go anywhere useful. |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Wed Jan 18 10:26:51 2006, in response to Re: Richmond Hill, posted by Line 13 on Wed Jan 18 08:07:30 2006. So industrial areas where people work as well as residential neighborhoods are completely useless? |
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Re: Richmond Hill |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jan 18 10:38:54 2006, in response to Re: Richmond Hill, posted by NIMBYkiller on Wed Jan 18 10:26:51 2006. Correction then. It doesn't "go where anyone wants to go". |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Wed Jan 18 11:58:44 2006, in response to Re: Richmond Hill, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jan 18 10:38:54 2006. Still, with all those industrial areas there it's gotta have potential. |
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Posted by Line 13 on Wed Jan 18 12:53:56 2006, in response to Re: Richmond Hill, posted by NIMBYkiller on Wed Jan 18 10:26:51 2006. What good is that if people don't work in the industrial areas served by the line? Remember the ridership figures: the busiest station (Fresh Pond) saw, maybe, 4 or 5 regular passengers a day.It would be much better if the line were connected to the Manhattan tunnel, but it isn't. |
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Re: Richmond Hill |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Jan 18 12:58:02 2006, in response to Re: Richmond Hill, posted by L Train on Wed Jan 18 01:22:17 2006. If they built real stations at Glendale and Fresh Pond (with lights and a platform and maybe a small canopy), patronage would probably be suprisingly high. Apart from an appauling infrastructure, the LIRR never really promoted this service when it was run. I was up at Metro Mall yesterday evening when one of the westbound bi-level trains from LIC rolled by. It was suprisingly crowded. It was also my first look at what's being done at Atlas Terminal. Wow. |
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Re: Richmond Hill |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Jan 18 13:10:12 2006, in response to Re: Richmond Hill, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Jan 16 22:09:10 2006. It just infuriates me to see a perfectly good station going unused. Every time I pass over it on the J, I keep thinking it's a waste and that this line SHOULD be a subway route. |
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Re: Richmond Hill |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jan 18 13:25:05 2006, in response to Re: Richmond Hill, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Jan 18 12:58:02 2006. Yeah, the LIRR did it's best to keep a low profile that they even had stations or local service on that line. I only knew about the Glendale or Fresh Pond stations, but that was probably because I was interested in trains. Your average people in the neighborhood had no clue there were even stations there.Fresh Pond was the "busiest" if you can call it that. It was some pit though. You walked through a narrow maze of a winding passageway from near the intersection of Metro Ave and Fres Pond Rd. That brought you to the stairways in this photo:  Now remember, these photos show an ACTIVE station. These were takin some time around 1991 or 1992. I used this station many times back then. In the winter was the strangest, as you would decend those stairs in complete darkness (when the days were short), and there you stood in the weeds waiting for your train to come. The only lighting was from the streetlights far off in the distance from Metro Ave. The silence would be broken when you would hear the horn of the train in the distance, and then finally, as the train came through the tunnel, your used to the darkness eyes would be blinded as the headlight show over the "station". There was always a fear the train may not even stop, as you would think that this "couldn't possibly be a station in the 90's", as it looked like something out of the 1920's. It was hard to believe such a service such as that was still running in the 1990's. I always loved waiting for trains there, as sometimes you would have teenagers walking along the tracks staring at these people standing at this location (it didn't even have a sign). Then their jaws would drop as they saw the train stop, and a few people get on. This photo is taken from the walkway, and the train is just leaving the Fresh Pond station after stopping, and is on it's way to Jamaica. The "platform" on the right of the train is the Jamaica bound platform. The track on the right of the "platform" is the Bushwick branch track. The "platform" on the left, is a wall platform station platform and is the LIC bound platform. And again, no, this was NOT an abandoned station at the time of this photo. This was an ACTIVE, OPEN LIRR station (of course "active" is subjective, but you know what I mean by that). 
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Re: Richmond Hill |
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Posted by R7 Torresdale Express on Wed Jan 18 13:29:07 2006, in response to Re: Richmond Hill, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jan 18 13:25:05 2006. FUBAR |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jan 18 13:31:40 2006, in response to Re: Richmond Hill, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Jan 18 13:10:12 2006. The real problem is that, while I completely agree it SHOULD be a subway route, the biggest problem (NIMBY's aside) is that the line is NEEDED for freight. It may not have good passenger service, but it does move a lot of freight ("a lot" by Long Island standards). Just about 100% of Queens, Brooklyn, Nassau, and Suffolk's freight traverses this line. To give it over to the subway, it would have to be widened to three tracks (two for subway, and one bidirectional one for frieght with a few sidings), as there is no way the freight can be thrown off the line, it's needed as a freight line. |
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Re: Richmond Hill |
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Posted by R7 Torresdale Express on Wed Jan 18 13:33:58 2006, in response to Re: Richmond Hill, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Jan 18 13:10:12 2006. They should run half-hourly shittle service with some of these. |
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Re: Richmond Hill |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Wed Jan 18 13:34:10 2006, in response to Re: Richmond Hill, posted by ntrainride on Tue Jan 17 22:23:06 2006. The tracks are too. They are overgrown with brush and grass so you can't see them. The platforms and shelters are long gone, though. |
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Re: Richmond Hill |
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Posted by R7 Torresdale Express on Wed Jan 18 13:36:16 2006, in response to Re: Richmond Hill, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jan 18 13:31:40 2006. This kind of situation calls for a DMU shittle service, with maybe 1 or 2 more stations. Too bad these never worked out. They should be rebuilt, with a different engine/transmission package. |
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Re: Richmond Hill |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Jan 18 13:47:38 2006, in response to Re: Richmond Hill, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jan 18 13:31:40 2006. Why can't freight trains use the mainline (if a connection to the NYCRR was built in Jackson Heights)? |
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Re: Richmond Hill |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Jan 18 13:49:50 2006, in response to Re: Richmond Hill, posted by ntrainride on Tue Jan 17 22:23:06 2006. There isn't a single trace of this station left. Didn't know it existed until 1999, and I've been up and down that ROW many, many times. |
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Rockaway Branch photos Re: Richmond Hill |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jan 18 13:51:04 2006, in response to Re: Richmond Hill, posted by Mitch45 on Wed Jan 18 13:34:10 2006. They are overgrown with brush and grass so you can't see them."Overgrown" may even be an understatement! This is Woodhaven some years back, but Brooklyn Manor's location, while it's old wooden platforms are gone isn't that much different in the tree department. The reason that Woodhaven station and Ozone park station survive are because they were made of concrete. Brooklyn Manor, Parkside, etc were made of wood. Here's some photos, and some are even the same angle as the historic photo of Woodhaven station. Hard to believe. (All photos mine, except the historic one which was taken in the late 50's, and is from the book "Change at Ozone Park" by Herbert George:    Here's some more of Woodhaven station:    Here's the ROW near Woodhaven station:  |
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Re: Richmond Hill |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jan 18 13:57:14 2006, in response to Re: Richmond Hill, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Jan 18 13:47:38 2006. Because the main transfer point is at Fresh Pond Yard. The freight comes in over the Hell Gate bridge, and interchanges between Canadian Pacific (national?) and CSX and the New York and Atlantic (the freight carrier that took over from the LIRR). Everything comes in through there. Not to mention that the Bushwick Branch relies entirely and feeds dierctly from the Montauk Branch (and the Bushwick branch has about daily traffic). The Bay Ridge Line also feeds directly from the Western Montauk Branch. And not to mention that Fresh Pond yard is the main interchange yard, and is also located on this line.The Montauk Branch is much needed for freight. "Few passneger trains" does not necessarily mean "unused". The Montauk Branch is far from an unused line, it's just that it doesn't carry many passengers. |
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Re: Richmond Hill |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jan 18 14:01:23 2006, in response to Re: Richmond Hill, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Jan 18 13:49:50 2006. Brooklyn Manor did not last until 1999, it was long gone long before that. Woodhaven and Ozone Park are/were the only station structures that remained after the line was closed. They only rememained because they were made of concrete. Brooklyn Manor and Parkside stations were made of wood. They were already partially torn down when the LIRR still operated, they were made into low level platforms at grade (probably because the wooden high level platforms had gotten too bad, and the the LIRR didn't want to spend money on new platforms, so they made those two low level platfoms.I don't know when those low level platforms were removed, but it was long before 1990. |
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Re: Rockaway Branch photos Re: Richmond Hill |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Jan 18 14:02:34 2006, in response to Rockaway Branch photos Re: Richmond Hill, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jan 18 13:51:04 2006. That station was a scary place in the 1980's. Runaways used to live in it. |
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Re: Richmond Hill |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Jan 18 14:04:24 2006, in response to Re: Richmond Hill, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jan 18 14:01:23 2006. They were probably removed soon after abandonment. I never knew of them, no real sign exists of them and my mother, whose been in this neighborhood since the late 1950's, never knew of them. |
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Re: Richmond Hill |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Jan 18 14:05:58 2006, in response to Re: Richmond Hill, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jan 18 13:57:14 2006. Expand the ROW and divide it between freight and passanger service. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jan 18 14:15:04 2006, in response to Re: Richmond Hill, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Jan 18 14:04:24 2006. Well, the LIRR operated the line until I believe 1962 from the mainline to Ozone Park. All the stations were still open to that date, but of course, like I said, while Ozone Park and WOodhaven were concrete high level platforms, Parkside and Brooklyn Manor were already downgraded to low level platforms by that date. There wasn't much left of them even before the LIRR stopped running. |
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Re: Richmond Hill |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jan 18 14:17:32 2006, in response to Re: Richmond Hill, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Jan 18 14:05:58 2006. Yes, that's the only solution, however, in some spots it's only as wide as two tracks. It would involve widening the ROW, and condemnation of adjoining properties in some locations. |
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Re: Richmond Hill |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Jan 18 14:25:20 2006, in response to Re: Richmond Hill, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jan 18 14:17:32 2006. Use eminent domain before the SCOTUS comes to it's senses! |
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Re: Richmond Hill |
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Posted by L Train on Wed Jan 18 16:47:46 2006, in response to Re: Richmond Hill, posted by Line 13 on Wed Jan 18 08:07:30 2006. I can think of three ways service could've been saved:1)A free transfer to the ferry at LIC 2)Renovated stations 3)Service every 20 minutes rush hour, every hour weekedays, every 2 hours weekends These were stations in areas with no mass transit. People would've used it, even if they had to transfer to the ferry. However, if no one even know it exists and there's only 3 trains daily then of course no one will use it. |
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Re: Richmond Hill |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Wed Jan 18 17:34:04 2006, in response to Re: Richmond Hill, posted by L Train on Wed Jan 18 16:47:46 2006. The purpose of these trains was NOT to convience passengers along that route. The reason why any passenger trains run on that route at all is because to abandon *that* route would be tantamout to surrenduring the original operating charter. |
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Re: Richmond Hill |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Wed Jan 18 17:59:04 2006, in response to Re: Richmond Hill, posted by Line 13 on Wed Jan 18 12:53:56 2006. The reason ridership was so low was b/c1. Next to no one knew that the service even existed. Have you ever even seen photos of the former "stations"? They were virtually non-existant. 2. Service was awful. People do work in the industrial areas and that's why the line has potential. And I agree, it would be best if connected to a new East River tunnel to NYP. |
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Re: Richmond Hill |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jan 18 18:53:09 2006, in response to Re: Richmond Hill, posted by Broadway Lion on Wed Jan 18 17:34:04 2006. Correct. The ONLY reason the LIRR allowed that bizarre service to last as long as it did is because there was a stipulation in the LIRR's original charter from the 1800's that passenger service HAD to run on the line, otherwise the ROW would revert back to the original adjoining landowners.Somehow they were able to loophole it somehow that they can now just leave it on the one round trip LIC express that still uses the line in revenue service (as opposed to the one local in each direction rush hours, and the one express in each direction). Otherwise they probably wouldn't even run the express one through there to this day. |
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Re: Richmond Hill |
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Posted by New Brunswick Station on Wed Jan 18 19:24:53 2006, in response to Re: Richmond Hill, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jan 18 18:53:09 2006. Which LIC express is that? what time of day? |
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Re: Richmond Hill |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Jan 18 20:31:38 2006, in response to Re: Richmond Hill, posted by New Brunswick Station on Wed Jan 18 19:24:53 2006. http://www.railfanwindow.com/gallery/album184 |
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Posted by ntrainride on Wed Jan 18 22:35:04 2006, in response to Re: Richmond Hill, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jan 18 14:15:04 2006. I will always feel that the branch offered the best option for rush hour train travel into Manhattan from central Queens (other than Jamaica, of course). Even though my 1950 schedule shows a paltry number of trains running up it.In some ways it reminds me of what I've read about another early in-town "suburban" rail line, the Erie Newark branch through Belleville and Nutley. I've always been fascinated by "suburban" train stations located in a city. It's like a history lesson, the way they once were really suburban stations, and wound up being completely subsumed by the dense urban growth around them. |
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Re: Richmond Hill |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jan 18 22:47:50 2006, in response to Re: Richmond Hill, posted by ntrainride on Wed Jan 18 22:35:04 2006. Yes, it's so true. I have seen historic photos of Glendale, Fresh Pond, and even Richmond Hill at the turn of the 1900's, and the scene was like something out on the north fork of Long Island. ALl farmland, and in the middle of no where. Not even suburban....it was rural! |
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Re: Richmond Hill |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Wed Jan 18 22:54:15 2006, in response to Re: Richmond Hill, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jan 18 22:47:50 2006. The site of Glendale station now looks pretty much as it must have at the turn of the 1900's. |
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Re: Richmond Hill |
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Posted by ntrainride on Wed Jan 18 23:03:04 2006, in response to Re: Richmond Hill, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jan 18 13:25:05 2006. I rode it occasionally in the `70s and `80s. Used to take it from L.I.C. to Richmond Hill or Fresh Pond, or from R.H. to Penny Bridge, which never failed to get puzzled looks from the conductor. Couple of times, I rode from Mineola to Richmond Hill, when it was an Oyster Bay run. I wanted to get a feel of using it like an honest transit line. (I can only say that it felt...different...to use Richmond Hill as my "city terminal".) And it was always cool to be able to watch the train depart up the tracks as I stood on an empty "platform" amidst the industrial landscape, bright and early. Most definitely a Twilight Zone train ride. |
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Re: Richmond Hill |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jan 18 23:04:49 2006, in response to Re: Richmond Hill, posted by daDouce Man on Wed Jan 18 22:54:15 2006. Well, Glendale is still somewhat "rural" looking depending on the angle, the photo I am thinking of had the little station house surrounded by farmland and empty fields (and then of course that 1800's hotel and saloon building across the street.Even Glendale has urbanized quite a bit around the station, even if not as much as Fresh Pond and obviously Richmond Hill. |
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Re: Richmond Hill |
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Posted by ntrainride on Wed Jan 18 23:06:51 2006, in response to Re: Richmond Hill, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jan 18 22:47:50 2006. Go and ride the River Line between Camden and Trenton. I swear, it's a damn good approximation of "what coulda been" on the L.I.C. branch. It'll make your heart glad. |
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Re: Richmond Hill |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Wed Jan 18 23:09:42 2006, in response to Re: Richmond Hill, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jan 18 23:04:49 2006. I think of Glendale Station and I'm looking north across the tracks into the cemetery. Alot of open space and not even a fence around the southside of the cemetery or the home there. Nothing in the background to suggest it's 2006 instead of 1906. |
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Re: Richmond Hill |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jan 18 23:14:40 2006, in response to Re: Richmond Hill, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jan 18 23:04:49 2006. Here's one, but this is not the one I am thinking of. I will look for it on my disk tomorrow.But here's one from arts archives in the meantime:  Here's a historic photo I found on the web of the Richmond Hill station: 
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Re: Richmond Hill |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Wed Jan 18 23:15:08 2006, in response to Re: Richmond Hill, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Jan 18 14:05:58 2006. Why not just have short DMU type trains running in conjunction with boosted ferry service. Have some sorta combo commuter ticket. Run the service frequent enough to be usefull. Jamaica to LIC. Include the one OB trip too. |
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Re: Richmond Hill |
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Posted by Line 13 on Wed Jan 18 23:18:24 2006, in response to Re: Richmond Hill, posted by NIMBYkiller on Wed Jan 18 23:15:08 2006. The problem with ferries is that they can't penetrate into the heart of the business district, where most commuters are heading. They end at the waterfront - 42nd Street and the East River is not as big of a destination as, say, 42nd and 5th.I'd rather see the LM line extended through a new tunnel to Penn Station (with two/three tracks added to Penn as well for this service), with DMU trains used for a shuttle, and the Oyster Bay LIRR trains continuing to serve the line. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jan 18 23:19:21 2006, in response to Re: Richmond Hill, posted by ntrainride on Wed Jan 18 23:03:04 2006. The conductor on the early morning western Montauk runs began to know me after a while. I had relatives near patchogue, and would usually go home, back to the city from patchogue. The early morning local began at Patchogue. At Jamaica the conductor would announce the stations. He would then walk through and ask where you were getting off. Sometimes they only made rolling stops (like someone does when they roll through a stop sign) if they knew no one was getting off, and if no one was waiting to get on.By the time he used to know me a little, he would jokingly ask if we were going to "get off at the cemetery (Glendale), in the weeds (Fresh Pond), or if we were staying on until the end today...." |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jan 18 23:23:42 2006, in response to Re: Richmond Hill, posted by daDouce Man on Wed Jan 18 23:09:42 2006. Looking in any other direction, and there is houses there. The cemetery DEFINITELY has a fence around it (and has for eons). But granted, it is stilll somewhat untouched and rural looking there. But when I look for the photo I am thinking of, I will post it tomorrow, you will see it was WAY more rural back then than now. |
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