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[VIDEO] RFW ride on LIRR Grand Central to Jamaica |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Sun Jan 29 16:55:15 2023 |
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Posted by jailhousedoc on Sun Jan 29 17:53:45 2023, in response to [VIDEO] RFW ride on LIRR Grand Central to Jamaica, posted by Bill Newkirk on Sun Jan 29 16:55:15 2023. Great video - how come he didn't call out White Pot Junction - yes, it is abandoned, but there might be a chance of something being done with it, right ? One could only hope... |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sun Jan 29 19:37:09 2023, in response to [VIDEO] RFW ride on LIRR Grand Central to Jamaica, posted by Bill Newkirk on Sun Jan 29 16:55:15 2023. The time spent underground isn't all that long. The 63rd St. tunnel gives itself away with the vertical left wall. Doesn't it go pretty much straight all the way through with no jog? At least that's the impression I got when riding on Fred trains through the upper level. |
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Re: [VIDEO] RFW ride on LIRR Grand Central to Jamaica |
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Posted by zac on Sun Jan 29 20:50:55 2023, in response to [VIDEO] RFW ride on LIRR Grand Central to Jamaica, posted by Bill Newkirk on Sun Jan 29 16:55:15 2023. The perceived speed of the train vs. the actual speed seemed off to me. It felt like it was creeping along but then emerges at Harold and it felt the same once outside.I'm going to try to ride it tomorrow and explore the station. |
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Posted by VictorM on Mon Jan 30 00:26:20 2023, in response to Re: [VIDEO] RFW ride on LIRR Grand Central to Jamaica, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sun Jan 29 19:37:09 2023. No, 63 St doesn't line up exactly with 41 Av, so there is a slight jog in the tunnel. |
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Re: [VIDEO] RFW ride on LIRR Grand Central to Jamaica |
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Posted by Edwards! on Mon Jan 30 02:18:02 2023, in response to Re: [VIDEO] RFW ride on LIRR Grand Central to Jamaica, posted by zac on Sun Jan 29 20:50:55 2023. It's the extended lens.Really close up filming. Makes the train look like it's moving slower than it actually is. I love this gentleman's work. He has an eye for capturing minute detail. |
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Re: [VIDEO] RFW ride on LIRR Grand Central to Jamaica |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Mon Jan 30 07:52:22 2023, in response to Re: [VIDEO] RFW ride on LIRR Grand Central to Jamaica, posted by jailhousedoc on Sun Jan 29 17:53:45 2023. Yeah, right after they reactivate 76th Street. |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Mon Jan 30 07:54:07 2023, in response to [VIDEO] RFW ride on LIRR Grand Central to Jamaica, posted by Bill Newkirk on Sun Jan 29 16:55:15 2023. Thank you for posting.I seem to recall that a passenger station at Sunnyside was supposed to be part of the GCT Access project. What happened to that? |
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Posted by Avid Reader on Mon Jan 30 08:42:46 2023, in response to [VIDEO] RFW ride on LIRR Grand Central to Jamaica, posted by Bill Newkirk on Sun Jan 29 16:55:15 2023. At the 5:40 point of the video, almost exiting the tunnel there appears to be multiple tracks.Where do they go, and what is their purpose? |
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Posted by zac on Mon Jan 30 09:34:45 2023, in response to Re: [VIDEO] RFW ride on LIRR Grand Central to Jamaica, posted by Edwards! on Mon Jan 30 02:18:02 2023. Whatever it is that made it look that way it just felt weird. One of my comments earlier was that if it crept from the portal into the station the E train would beat it. While watching this I thought, well, I guess the E train will be faster and then it came out of the tunnel. I thought it had barely gotton itself up to 60th st at that point.I did like the narration, now I know what to watch for, if I can see anything. I'll experience it real life today. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Jan 30 09:49:59 2023, in response to [VIDEO] RFW ride on LIRR Grand Central to Jamaica, posted by Bill Newkirk on Sun Jan 29 16:55:15 2023. Track design limits one train per platform moving at once. Would like to see how this caps capacity during rush hour ... |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Mon Jan 30 09:50:52 2023, in response to [VIDEO] RFW ride on LIRR Grand Central to Jamaica, posted by Bill Newkirk on Sun Jan 29 16:55:15 2023. Thank you for posting.I seem to recall that a passenger station at Sunnyside was supposed to be part of the GCT Access project. What happened to that? |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jan 30 10:14:40 2023, in response to Re: [VIDEO] RFW ride on LIRR Grand Central to Jamaica, posted by Mitch45 on Mon Jan 30 09:50:52 2023. The station is not necessary for the main part of the project to proceed, so it was deferred. |
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Re: [VIDEO] RFW ride on LIRR Grand Central to Jamaica |
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Posted by AlM on Mon Jan 30 11:05:34 2023, in response to Re: [VIDEO] RFW ride on LIRR Grand Central to Jamaica, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Jan 30 09:49:59 2023. It took less than 2 minutes for this train from the time it started to move to when it entered the curve from Park to 63rd. Presumably during those same 2 minutes a train could have been coming into GCT. And 2 minutes later (or even sooner) another train could have been leaving GCT from a different platform.So that would suggest that they can run at least 30 tph, probably more. They are only running 24 tph in the draft schedules, IIRC. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Jan 30 11:44:15 2023, in response to Re: [VIDEO] RFW ride on LIRR Grand Central to Jamaica, posted by Mitch45 on Mon Jan 30 09:50:52 2023. Unnecessary expenditure IMHO. |
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Posted by Eric B on Mon Jan 30 13:18:42 2023, in response to Re: [VIDEO] RFW ride on LIRR Grand Central to Jamaica, posted by Avid Reader on Mon Jan 30 08:42:46 2023. I was wondering that too, but he says in the video that's heading to something called “midday yard”; which I imagine is another part of the yard they use to lay up trains in the middle of the day (i.e. between rush hours). |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Jan 30 14:10:46 2023, in response to [VIDEO] RFW ride on LIRR Grand Central to Jamaica, posted by Bill Newkirk on Sun Jan 29 16:55:15 2023. I watched this guy's "RFW" videos on Metra trains not too long ago.He should cut his videos' intro down to maybe ten seconds; it's a minute-long cacophony of LIRR DE30AC horns. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Mon Jan 30 19:41:55 2023, in response to Re: [VIDEO] RFW ride on LIRR Grand Central to Jamaica, posted by VictorM on Mon Jan 30 00:26:20 2023. They must have oriented those sunken tubes accordingly when they were put into place. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Mon Jan 30 23:04:25 2023, in response to Re: [VIDEO] RFW ride on LIRR Grand Central to Jamaica, posted by zac on Mon Jan 30 09:34:45 2023. Yeah, it did feel weird.It compressed the running time,and made the feel of it funky. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Mon Jan 30 23:24:17 2023, in response to Re: [VIDEO] RFW ride on LIRR Grand Central to Jamaica, posted by Eric B on Mon Jan 30 13:18:42 2023. The "Midday Storeage Yard" was originally a TA project.The 63rd st tunnel, and Queens Bypass needed an area for the same purpose that the LIRR does to this very day. The tunnel to the facility was designed to leave the Bypass tunnel around the same area. The project was canceled along with the Bypass, but the ROW is still available for a possible revision some day. What gets me,is the fact that the LIRR tunnel was extended when the 63rd st tunnel was connected to the Queens Blvd line. Yet,the Bypass tunnels were canceled, even while there were TWO TUNNEL BORING MACHINES DIGGING THREE TUBES UNDER THE YARDS. THE PLAN CLEARLY SHOWS THE TUNNELS in design. Even if they weren't going to use the tunes right away they still should have built them for future use. This is why I say to this day that the MTA favors its Commuter rail system and riders more than city transit. I will continue to say that NYC needs to get rid of the MTA and its suburban bullshit and let the City of New York operate our subways/buses. 11 billion dollars for this nonsense no Sunnyside station and no Bypass tunnels? Bullshit. Somebody should be going to jail for larceny and grand theft,not praise from the masses. |
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Posted by jimmymc25 on Tue Jan 31 00:32:15 2023, in response to Re: [VIDEO] RFW ride on LIRR Grand Central to Jamaica, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Jan 30 14:10:46 2023. Yeah that intro was long, but once the show started I totally forgot about it. |
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Posted by Eric B on Tue Jan 31 13:43:10 2023, in response to Re: [VIDEO] RFW ride on LIRR Grand Central to Jamaica, posted by Edwards! on Mon Jan 30 23:24:17 2023. I had been thinking the midday storage yard would have been a good idea, even without the Bypass. To eliminate reverse peak traffic tlat might not be needed, and gan cause congestion at tunnels. |
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Posted by Italianstallion on Tue Jan 31 15:32:09 2023, in response to Re: [VIDEO] RFW ride on LIRR Grand Central to Jamaica, posted by Edwards! on Mon Jan 30 23:24:17 2023. I never saw the point of a Sunnyside station. |
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Posted by Allen45 on Tue Jan 31 15:39:27 2023, in response to Re: [VIDEO] RFW ride on LIRR Grand Central to Jamaica, posted by Italianstallion on Tue Jan 31 15:32:09 2023. A Sunnyside Station if positioned properly could have Metro-North stopping in Queens, a more useful LIRR stop in Western Queens than HPA or LIC. |
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Posted by Italianstallion on Tue Jan 31 15:53:51 2023, in response to Re: [VIDEO] RFW ride on LIRR Grand Central to Jamaica, posted by Allen45 on Tue Jan 31 15:39:27 2023. Ok, that helps. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jan 31 17:32:09 2023, in response to Re: [VIDEO] RFW ride on LIRR Grand Central to Jamaica, posted by jimmymc25 on Tue Jan 31 00:32:15 2023. Since I've watched (and still watch, frankly) multiple videos of his, I now skip past the intro. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Tue Jan 31 18:42:26 2023, in response to [VIDEO] RFW ride on LIRR Grand Central to Jamaica, posted by Bill Newkirk on Sun Jan 29 16:55:15 2023. Here's another great in-depth video tour of the station if anyone is interested: |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Tue Jan 31 19:03:47 2023, in response to [VIDEO] RFW ride on LIRR Grand Central to Jamaica, posted by Bill Newkirk on Sun Jan 29 16:55:15 2023. Nice video, Thanks for posting. Now I see why they were worried about the M3s making it up those grades. One hill looked as steep as a #7 coming into Vernon-Jackson |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jan 31 19:48:05 2023, in response to Re: [VIDEO] RFW ride on LIRR Grand Central to Jamaica, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Tue Jan 31 19:03:47 2023. They haven't been maintaining the M3s, then? |
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Posted by Charles G on Tue Jan 31 19:51:28 2023, in response to Re: [VIDEO] RFW ride on LIRR Grand Central to Jamaica, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Tue Jan 31 19:03:47 2023. I read elsewhere that the issue with the M3's is not the grades, but that the cab signals are incompatible with the (signal?) technology used in the tunnels. So the M3s were never tested in the tunnels because they knew they would never be used.Believe I saw this recently on rr.net. It makes more sense to me than the idea that they can't get up certain grades. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Tue Jan 31 19:59:25 2023, in response to Re: [VIDEO] RFW ride on LIRR Grand Central to Jamaica, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jan 31 19:48:05 2023. Well, you can draw your own conclusions. Maybe they should borrow some Metro North M3s. From the inside, MN M3s are in better shape than the LIRRs M7s |
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Posted by AlM on Tue Jan 31 20:10:04 2023, in response to Re: [VIDEO] RFW ride on LIRR Grand Central to Jamaica, posted by Charles G on Tue Jan 31 19:51:28 2023. It makes more sense to me than the idea that they can't get up certain grades.Obviously they can get up the grades. Low gears, or their electrical equivalent, allow a weakly powered vehicle to get up a steep grade, very slowly. Some people have claimed that they can't make it up the grade quickly enough to prevent a traffic jam, if they are forced to stop. That is at least plausible, though I haven't any present supporting evidence. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Tue Jan 31 21:02:30 2023, in response to Re: [VIDEO] RFW ride on LIRR Grand Central to Jamaica, posted by Charles G on Tue Jan 31 19:51:28 2023. "It makes more sense to me than the idea that they can't get up certain grades."The grade issue is the official line. The signal incompatibility doesn't make sense. If its out there on the road on any division, it should be able to work with the signal system thats in service. Why would ESA signals be different than the rest of the line that the M3s run on? |
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Posted by Charles G on Tue Jan 31 22:11:58 2023, in response to Re: [VIDEO] RFW ride on LIRR Grand Central to Jamaica, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Tue Jan 31 21:02:30 2023. Quoting below from a post on rr.net by a poster "workextra" who is generally a good source.The official reason is the M3 fleet was not rebuilt with the ESA cab signal aspects on their ADU if they run into ESA they will detect a no code condition and display a restricting aspect the whole way. The m3 will make the grades but officially have never been tested there. Despite the use of the term by both you and "workextra", I don't know that there is any "official line" that has been made public. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Feb 1 03:48:11 2023, in response to Re: [VIDEO] RFW ride on LIRR Grand Central to Jamaica, posted by Charles G on Tue Jan 31 22:11:58 2023. Funny how that alleged problem couldn't be corrected. |
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Posted by Avid Reader on Wed Feb 1 09:30:52 2023, in response to Re: [VIDEO] RFW ride on LIRR Grand Central to Jamaica, posted by Allen45 on Tue Jan 31 15:39:27 2023. I'm very surprise a station below the "F" station at 21 st. Street wasn't provided for access to the subway system. |
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Posted by AlM on Wed Feb 1 12:28:53 2023, in response to Re: [VIDEO] RFW ride on LIRR Grand Central to Jamaica, posted by Avid Reader on Wed Feb 1 09:30:52 2023. Big capacity reduction. At Woodside, Forest Hills, and Kew Gardens there are 4 tracks or more.Also cost, of course. |
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