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Posted by gp38/r42 CHRIS on Sat Aug 19 22:32:11 2017, in response to Re: Historic Subway Tiles With Nothing To Do With Racism Or Even Confederacy to be Removed, posted by LuchAAA on Sat Aug 19 21:33:08 2017. It's on topic, it's about a subway station tiling. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 CHRIS on Sat Aug 19 22:33:11 2017, in response to Larry: Please move this topic to OTC, posted by Union Tpke on Sat Aug 19 21:53:24 2017. This is totally on topic. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 CHRIS on Sat Aug 19 22:34:20 2017, in response to Re: Historic Subway Tiles With Nothing To Do With Racism Or Even Confederacy to be Removed, posted by Michael549 on Sat Aug 19 22:10:01 2017. Ah, thank you! That's great news, hopefully they restore the original mosaics. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Aug 19 22:38:46 2017, in response to Re: Historic Subway Tiles With Nothing To Do With Racism Or Even Confederacy to be Removed, posted by gp38/r42 CHRIS on Sat Aug 19 22:32:11 2017. People who are looking to ride trains walk past it. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sat Aug 19 22:56:53 2017, in response to Re: Historic Subway Tiles With Nothing To Do With Racism Or Even Confederacy to be Removed, posted by Nilet on Sat Aug 19 22:32:04 2017. Lol! From our resident troll. |
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Posted by Nilet on Sat Aug 19 23:02:51 2017, in response to Re: Historic Subway Tiles With Nothing To Do With Racism Or Even Confederacy to be Removed, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sat Aug 19 22:56:53 2017. Sorry, but Olog is the resident troll. You're just another pathetic white supremacist pissant. |
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Posted by Dyre Dan on Sat Aug 19 23:54:15 2017, in response to Re: Historic Subway Tiles With Nothing To Do With Racism Or Even Confederacy to be Removed, posted by LuchAAA on Fri Aug 18 18:41:27 2017. They restored the "Columbus Circle" name tablet mosaics on the 1 line not long ago, that's just one reason I don't think that name is going anywhere. It is too ingrained in the minds of New Yorkers. Plus both Italians and Hispanics would protest loudly against any plan to change the name. The fact that Columbus really was a nasty son of a bitch, cutting off the hands of Indians if they didn't bring him enough gold, won't change that. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sun Aug 20 00:11:00 2017, in response to Re: Historic Subway Tiles With Nothing To Do With Racism Or Even Confederacy to be Removed, posted by Dyre Dan on Sat Aug 19 23:54:15 2017. Thanks Dire Dan, but I disagree.There is already tremendous backlash against Columbus. LOL @ "Hispanic". When all the Ten Commandments are removed, crosses removed, Confederate statues gone, Columbus will be the cause of the day and you'll see scenarios like the one I present, become a reality. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Aug 20 00:13:21 2017, in response to Re: Historic Subway Tiles With Nothing To Do With Racism Or Even Confederacy to be Removed, posted by LuchAAA on Sun Aug 20 00:11:00 2017. Get back on topic. |
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Posted by Dyre Dan on Sun Aug 20 00:16:12 2017, in response to Re: Historic Subway Tiles With Nothing To Do With Racism Or Even Confederacy to be Removed, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Fri Aug 18 19:23:53 2017. The guy who ran people down with the car wasn't even a typical member of the (already small) neo-Nazi group, which is a small portion of the "alt-right". He was the proverbial "lone nut", but because he was inspired by a group that was ostensibly there to prevent removal of a Confederate statue, suddenly all Confederate statues must be removed to show solidarity with the woman he ran over. It's ridiculous. Taking down those two busts from the Hall of Fame, where they are surrounded by dozens of others, is especially ridiculous.As for the tile design at the 40th St. IRT fare-control area, the MTA denies it was meant to look like the Confederate flag, but others say it was, in honor of the Southern heritage of New York Times owner Sulzberger. (How's that for irony, a Confederate flag for the New York Times?) Proving it one way or the other at this date would be difficult. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sun Aug 20 00:24:28 2017, in response to Re: Historic Subway Tiles With Nothing To Do With Racism Or Even Confederacy to be Removed, posted by Dyre Dan on Sun Aug 20 00:16:12 2017. He crashed his car because tempers flared. He did not go to Charlottesville to commit and terroristic act. |
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Posted by Randyo on Sun Aug 20 01:03:05 2017, in response to Re: Historic Subway Tiles With Nothing To Do With Racism Or Even Confederacy to be Removed, posted by gp38/r42 CHRIS on Sat Aug 19 22:34:20 2017. From what I have seen of the artists renderings unfortunately I don't think so. |
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Posted by K. Trout on Sun Aug 20 01:07:33 2017, in response to Re: Historic Subway Tiles With Nothing To Do With Racism Or Even Confederacy to be Removed, posted by gp38/r42 CHRIS on Sat Aug 19 21:07:28 2017. "That crushing feeling inside when I contemplate the thousands of strangers telling me I’m an awful person … that’s actually funny to me." |
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Posted by Edwards! on Sun Aug 20 01:25:53 2017, in response to Re: Historic Subway Tiles With Nothing To Do With Racism Or Even Confederacy to be Removed, posted by LuchAAA on Sun Aug 20 00:11:00 2017. Damn,son.You cant even pretend to be a proper troll,now. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Aug 20 01:58:17 2017, in response to Re: Historic Subway Tiles With Nothing To Do With Racism Or Even Confederacy to be Removed, posted by LuchAAA on Sun Aug 20 00:24:28 2017. This guy had been a Nazi since he was a pre-teen. His committing murder for the Nazi cause was inevitable. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Aug 20 02:07:52 2017, in response to Re: Historic Subway Tiles With Nothing To Do With Racism Or Even Confederacy to be Removed, posted by Dyre Dan on Sun Aug 20 00:16:12 2017. He was a typical member of the Nazis, he had been a Nazi for a long time.This has nothing to do with solidarity with Ms. Heyer. This Nazi protest was only started because the City of Charlottesville had already decided to remove the monuments to treason and the Nazis had gone down there to protest the removal. The Confederate statues must be removed because they commemorate people who wanted to destroy this country for the sole purpose of keeping a race of people enslaved. The fact that the people who came to protest against that are Nazis makes me feel even less sympathetic to the people who want these monuments kept. That place in the Bronx is called the Hall of Fame for GREAT AMERICANS. Robert E. Lee and Stonewall Jackson are not great Americans and do not and have never belonged there. Perhaps they can build a Hall of Fame for Great Traitors and put their busts there along with Benedict Arnold and Aldrich Ames. |
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Posted by ftgreeneg on Sun Aug 20 02:27:31 2017, in response to Re: Historic Subway Tiles With Nothing To Do With Racism Or Even Confederacy to be Removed, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Aug 20 02:07:52 2017. Kind of hard to be a great American when you go to war AGAINST America... |
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Posted by Nilet on Sun Aug 20 02:27:35 2017, in response to Re: Historic Subway Tiles With Nothing To Do With Racism Or Even Confederacy to be Removed, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Fri Aug 18 19:23:53 2017. It's the perfect case in point t of looking to be offended when there is absolutely no reason to be.And here you are throwing a tantrum about how offended you are that the MTA would dare remove your precious Confederate tiles. |
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Posted by Nilet on Sun Aug 20 02:28:26 2017, in response to Re: Historic Subway Tiles With Nothing To Do With Racism Or Even Confederacy to be Removed, posted by K. Trout on Sun Aug 20 01:07:33 2017. LOL! That is so GP Chris. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sun Aug 20 03:52:52 2017, in response to Re: Historic Subway Tiles With Nothing To Do With Racism Or Even Confederacy to be Removed, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Aug 20 01:58:17 2017. And the people going to these anti Confederate statue and anti Free Speech rallies(Boston) are the same people who stand for banning cars, banning meat, banning Jews from LGBT events, etc........ |
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Posted by Edwards! on Sun Aug 20 04:48:13 2017, in response to Re: Historic Subway Tiles With Nothing To Do With Racism Or Even Confederacy to be Removed, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Aug 18 21:46:25 2017. Lol....fucked up political system, where folks like You can bitch about someone elses choices,yet do everything you can to ruin 3very fucking thing for Everyone else...the RULES dont apply to GHOST like You.Save Your Universe x,leave us the fuck alone. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sun Aug 20 06:37:58 2017, in response to Re: Historic Subway Tiles With Nothing To Do With Racism Or Even Confederacy to be Removed, posted by Nilet on Sat Aug 19 23:02:51 2017. Lol!! |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sun Aug 20 06:43:05 2017, in response to Re: Historic Subway Tiles With Nothing To Do With Racism Or Even Confederacy to be Removed, posted by Randyo on Sun Aug 20 01:03:05 2017. That's too bad. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sun Aug 20 06:44:27 2017, in response to Re: Historic Subway Tiles With Nothing To Do With Racism Or Even Confederacy to be Removed, posted by Nilet on Sun Aug 20 02:27:35 2017. Except of course if that was the case, but it's not since they are just a random tile design. |
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Posted by Nilet on Sun Aug 20 12:15:58 2017, in response to Re: Historic Subway Tiles With Nothing To Do With Racism Or Even Confederacy to be Removed, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sun Aug 20 06:44:27 2017. If they were really just a random tile design, you wouldn't have started a thread all about how offended you are that the design is being slightly altered. |
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Posted by Nilet on Sun Aug 20 12:16:33 2017, in response to Re: Historic Subway Tiles With Nothing To Do With Racism Or Even Confederacy to be Removed, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sun Aug 20 06:37:58 2017. That's your way of admitting you were owned. |
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Posted by Dyre Dan on Sun Aug 20 12:40:29 2017, in response to Re: Historic Subway Tiles With Nothing To Do With Racism Or Even Confederacy to be Removed, posted by LuchAAA on Sun Aug 20 00:24:28 2017. You know this how? |
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Posted by Dyre Dan on Sun Aug 20 12:41:15 2017, in response to Re: Historic Subway Tiles With Nothing To Do With Racism Or Even Confederacy to be Removed, posted by LuchAAA on Sun Aug 20 03:52:52 2017. You make a lot of generalizations about people. |
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Posted by Dyre Dan on Sun Aug 20 12:58:38 2017, in response to Re: Historic Subway Tiles With Nothing To Do With Racism Or Even Confederacy to be Removed, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Aug 20 02:07:52 2017. Whether or not you or I consider them "great Americans", the panel of Electors who voted them in did. I'm surprised that Gov. Cuomo or CUNY have the authority to just remove the statues, I thought there was some kind of trust governing the Hall so that it would be preserved. I take an interest in it because I grew up across the street from the campus it is on, and went through the hall many times as a child. Transit relevance: The Burnside Avenue station on the Jerome Ave. line used to have the secondary name "New York University", referring to the campus on which the Hall of Fame for Great Americans is located. |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Sun Aug 20 15:32:31 2017, in response to Larry: Please move this topic to OTC, posted by Union Tpke on Sat Aug 19 21:53:24 2017. iawtlp |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Sun Aug 20 15:32:45 2017, in response to Re: Historic Subway Tiles With Nothing To Do With Racism Or Even Confederacy to be Removed, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Aug 19 21:59:59 2017. idawtlp |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Sun Aug 20 15:33:02 2017, in response to Re: Larry: Please move this topic to OTC, posted by gp38/r42 CHRIS on Sat Aug 19 22:33:11 2017. idawtlp |
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Posted by ftgreeneg on Sun Aug 20 15:48:18 2017, in response to Larry: Please move this topic to OTC, posted by Union Tpke on Sat Aug 19 21:53:24 2017. Iawtp if ppl want to post things as an excuse to spout their political stances or rant against other side politically then it belongs on OTCHAT. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Sun Aug 20 15:49:34 2017, in response to Re: Larry: Please move this topic to OTC, posted by ftgreeneg on Sun Aug 20 15:48:18 2017. Exactly.Too bad they cant understand the difference. |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Sun Aug 20 16:02:19 2017, in response to Re: Larry: Please move this topic to OTC, posted by ftgreeneg on Sun Aug 20 15:48:18 2017. iawtlp |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Sun Aug 20 16:03:20 2017, in response to Re: Larry: Please move this topic to OTC, posted by Edwards! on Sun Aug 20 15:49:34 2017. iaawtlp |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Aug 20 17:14:16 2017, in response to Re: Historic Subway Tiles With Nothing To Do With Racism Or Even Confederacy to be Removed, posted by Dyre Dan on Sun Aug 20 12:58:38 2017. If they could be elected into the Hall, they can just as easily be elected out. |
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Posted by SUBWAYMAN on Sun Aug 20 17:44:59 2017, in response to Re: Historic Subway Tiles With Nothing To Do With Racism Or Even Confederacy to be Removed, posted by Dyre Dan on Sun Aug 20 12:41:15 2017. It's his stock in trade. |
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Posted by George Foelschow on Sun Aug 20 18:19:11 2017, in response to Historic Subway Tiles With Nothing To Do With Racism Or Even Confederacy to be Removed, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Fri Aug 18 18:16:08 2017. I never realized that the letter "X" is a Confederate symbol. It should be deleted from the alphabet. |
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Posted by R2ChinaTown on Sun Aug 20 18:28:40 2017, in response to Re: Historic Subway Tiles With Nothing To Do With Racism Or Even Confederacy to be Removed, posted by LuchAAA on Fri Aug 18 18:41:27 2017. Because of it's similarity to a Confederate flag, Mayor DeLousio is asking that effective immediately, the NYC Board of Education begin to teach a 25 letter alphabet. The former letter "X" will be replaced by a 3 letter combination of "CKS". This will include non-X compliant keyboards in all schools and municipal agencies. |
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Posted by Michael549 on Sun Aug 20 18:55:19 2017, in response to Re: Historic Subway Tiles With Nothing To Do With Racism Or Even Confederacy to be Removed, posted by Dyre Dan on Sun Aug 20 00:16:12 2017. From a previous message:"Proving it one way or the other at this date would be difficult." Actually that is EASY prove in the direction of one thing HAVING NOTHING to do with another thing! From Wikipedia: The New York Times is an American daily newspaper, founded and continuously published in New York City since September 18, 1851, by The New York Times Company. -- This PRE-DATES THE CIVIL WAR! The New York Times has long been regarded within the industry as a national "newspaper of record".[12] It has been owned by the Ochs-Sulzberger family since 1896; Arthur Ochs Sulzberger Jr., the publisher of the Times and the chairman of the New York Times Company, is the fourth generation of the family to helm the paper. -- 1896 is well AFTER the Civil War! The original Times Square local station was built as a part of the original IRT subway, and opened in 1904. -- The expanded Times Square local/express station opened in 1917. Arthur Ochs Sulzberger Jr. (born September 22, 1951) is an American journalist.[1] Sulzberger became the Publisher of The New York Times in 1992, and Chairman of the Board of The New York Times Company in 1997, succeeding his father, Arthur Ochs Sulzberger.[2] Arthur Ochs Sulzberger Jr. was born in Mount Kisco, New York, the son of Barbara Winslow (née Grant) and Arthur Ochs "Punch" Sulzberger Sr., the grandson of Arthur Hays Sulzberger, and the great-grandson Adolph Ochs. -- So where is the "Southern Heritage"? Arthur Ochs "Punch" Sulzberger Sr. (February 5, 1926 – September 29, 2012) was an American publisher and a businessman. (The DAD!) Born into a prominent media and publishing family, Sulzberger became Publisher of The New York Times and Chairman of the Board of The New York Times Company in 1963. Sulzberger relinquished to his son, Arthur Ochs Sulzberger Jr., the Office of Publisher in 1992, and Chairman of the Board in 1997. Born February 5, 1926 - New York City, New York Died September 29, 2012 (aged 86) - Southampton, New York -- So where is the "Southern Heritage"? Adolph Simon Ochs (March 12, 1858 – April 8, 1935) was an American newspaper publisher and former owner of The New York Times and The Chattanooga Times (now the Chattanooga Times Free Press). Ochs was born to a Jewish family in Cincinnati, Ohio, on March 12, 1858. His parents, Julius Ochs and Bertha Levy, were both German immigrants. His father had left Bavaria for the United States in 1846.[1] Julius was a highly educated man and fluent in six languages that he taught at schools throughout the South, though he supported the Union during the Civil War.[2] -- Question - So why would a man who supported the Union during the Civil War influence a "Confederate" subway station tile design at the age of 59? -- Some things do not take a great deal of research to refute! Mike |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Aug 20 19:06:40 2017, in response to Re: Larry: Please move this topic to OTC, posted by ftgreeneg on Sun Aug 20 15:48:18 2017. if ppl (sic) want to post things as an excuse to spout their political stances or rant against other side politically . . .If the subway is owned by the city, it belongs to everyone and is a political animal. Just to explain things. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Aug 20 19:07:27 2017, in response to Re: Historic Subway Tiles With Nothing To Do With Racism Or Even Confederacy to be Removed, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Sun Aug 20 15:32:45 2017. ynot? It's in the subway. So it's on topic. If there were something like it on the CTA system, it'd be on topic too. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Aug 20 19:11:21 2017, in response to Re: Historic Subway Tiles With Nothing To Do With Racism Or Even Confederacy to be Removed, posted by George Foelschow on Sun Aug 20 18:19:11 2017. Same with the Greek letter chi, which looks the same? |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Aug 20 19:12:38 2017, in response to Re: Larry: Please move this topic to OTC, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Sun Aug 20 15:33:02 2017. You can't even tell when people have your back, so you sure can't tell if you're correct on this matter. (You aren't.) |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Sun Aug 20 19:23:04 2017, in response to Re: Historic Subway Tiles With Nothing To Do With Racism Or Even Confederacy to be Removed, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Aug 20 19:12:38 2017. This subject is controversial. Controversial subjects belong on ot subchat. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sun Aug 20 19:31:35 2017, in response to Re: Larry: Please move this topic to OTC, posted by ftgreeneg on Sun Aug 20 15:48:18 2017. Wrong.This is an example of politics intersecting railfanning. But it's embarrassing because even though your side won, even you're smart enough to understand shit like this is why Trump won and why the GOP is still a force in politics. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sun Aug 20 19:38:42 2017, in response to Re: Historic Subway Tiles With Nothing To Do With Racism Or Even Confederacy to be Removed, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Sun Aug 20 19:23:04 2017. the reason leftists like Dire Dan, Union Turnpike, italianstallion, Edweirds!, and Wayne Jay, all want this moved is because it's embarrassing.They know shit like this is why Trump won and why the GOP is still able to win elections. |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Sun Aug 20 19:49:06 2017, in response to Re: Historic Subway Tiles With Nothing To Do With Racism Or Even Confederacy to be Removed, posted by LuchAAA on Sun Aug 20 19:38:42 2017. Send this to OT Chat. |
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Re: Board of Education To Ban The Letter ''X'' |
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Posted by italianstallion on Sun Aug 20 20:16:43 2017, in response to Board of Education To Ban The Letter "X", posted by R2ChinaTown on Sun Aug 20 18:28:40 2017. zzzzz |
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