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Editorial: "De Blasio's Subway Follies"

Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Jul 23 13:03:26 2017

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Written by a rabbi.

July 23, 2017

De Blasio’s Subway Follies

By Avrohom Gordimer
It seems like a rerun — but maybe this time, people will have learned their lesson.

New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio and New York’s Metropolitan Transit Authority (MTA) Chairman Joe Lhota aren’t getting along too well these days. Lhota, who ran on the Republican ticket for mayor four years ago and was unfortunately defeated by de Blasio, is now again challenging de Blasio on a new quality of life issue — subway garbage, which has become such a problem that it caused a major subway track fire last week, resulting in many injuries and awful transit delays. (There are numerous New York City subway track fires per year.)

Lhota was recently tasked to clean up the MTA — after having manned the MTA’s infrastructure restoration following Hurricane Sandy — and one of the ideas he floated was to restrict eating on the subway. The subway already has a disgusting excess of garbage and rats, and it was garbage littered onto the tracks in a Harlem subway station which caused the recent track fire and massive delays.

Lhota’s suggestion certainly sounds reasonable. It will not solve all subway problems, but it may prevent some of them and can thus make subway travel safer and cleaner. Seeing that New York City has been experiencing a terrible decline in quality of life — not to mention a spike in subway crime — one would expect de Blasio to reply to Lhota, “Thanks, Joe. Wish I would have thought of that myself.”

Instead, de Blasio rejected Lhota’s idea and responded:
“From 1979 to 1999, I did not own a car and got around almost exclusively by subway — it would have been in those years inconceivable to not be able to eat on the subway, just because of life. Because we’re all incredibly busy in the city, because the time on the subway is often the only time you have to eat… I don’t think it’s fair to people to say you can’t eat on the subway… I think in a lot of ways we need to encourage people to not be sloppy when they’re on the subway, but I can’t imagine personally the idea of people not being allowed to eat on the subway in a place as busy as this.”
What? Not fair? And it is fair to engage in a practice that endangers and bothers other riders, creates messes, and invites rats?

I personally have a very busy job and a very busy life in New York City, and I take a long subway ride to and from work each day, yet I somehow never felt a need to eat my breakfast or dinner on the subway. What’s de Blasio talking about?

And now, de Blasio is being attacked by both New York State Democratic Governor Andrew Cuomo and by the MTA’s Republican Chairman Joe Lhota for refusing to adequately fund the subway system. Rather than contribute some of the city’s $4 billion surplus toward subway funding, de Blasio rejected the idea, as he instead continues to generously pour the city’s money largely into the cups of special interest groups (with the help of the socialist City Council speaker, Maria Mark-Viverito).

De Blasio, the far left, liberal-progressive mayor, whose basic platform has been one of assisting the underclass to the exclusion of all others, does not even take subways anymore. He instead is driven (and flown) around, including a daily chauffeured SUV ride to a gym very far from the mayoral mansion. Contrast this with Mayor Michael Bloomberg, who took the subway to work and back every day (and who opted not to live at Gracie Mansion, in order to save the city money), and Mayor Rudolf Giuliani, who regularly took his son to baseball games via the subway.

Like many leftists, whose economic policies are not geared toward the interests of the majority and are instead focused almost entirely on those who receive public assistance, de Blasio is an elitist whose personal lifestyle is anything but like the lifestyle of those whom he purports to help. And, similar to many leftists, the mayor’s work ethic has so many gaping holes.

The dispute between Joe Lhota and Bill de Blasio is not only about subway food and funding, but is reflective of a far more profound discussion regarding personal values and self-sacrifice. In Proverbs, King Solomon tells us that laziness and self-indulgence breed inefficiency and ultimately result in destruction. Joe Lhota understands this; even Andrew Cuomo seems to get it, as much as we reject his socially liberal views. De Blasio, though, hasn’t got a clue.


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Re: Editorial: ''De Blasio's Subway Follies''

Posted by AlM on Sun Jul 23 13:32:42 2017, in response to Editorial: "De Blasio's Subway Follies", posted by Olog-hai on Sun Jul 23 13:03:26 2017.

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Banning eating because some people will abuse the right/privilege (by not tossing their garbage) is like banning guns because some people will abuse the right/privilege.

It's not a simple argument in either case.

I'd like to have the right to eat on the subway without having the right to drop my garbage in the car or on the platform, but I can also understand the reasons behind a proposed ban.



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Re: Editorial: ''De Blasio's Subway Follies''

Posted by SUBWAYMAN on Sun Jul 23 13:54:45 2017, in response to Editorial: "De Blasio's Subway Follies", posted by Olog-hai on Sun Jul 23 13:03:26 2017.

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YAWN.

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Re: Editorial: ''De Blasio's Subway Follies''

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Jul 23 14:50:38 2017, in response to Editorial: "De Blasio's Subway Follies", posted by Olog-hai on Sun Jul 23 13:03:26 2017.

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He clearly doesn't recall that hot food used to be widely available for purchase within the system. Back then, the rats/trash problem wasn't as bad as it is now, IIRC.

In fact, I liked it better when I could get a hot dog and Orange Bang while changing trains, and there were always bins nearby for me to dispose of my trash.

Hmm, could it be that removing those trash bins is part of the problem?

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Re: Editorial: ''De Blasio's Subway Follies''

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Jul 23 15:20:26 2017, in response to Re: Editorial: ''De Blasio's Subway Follies'', posted by AlM on Sun Jul 23 13:32:42 2017.

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Banning eating because some people will abuse the right/privilege (by not tossing their garbage) is like banning guns because some people will abuse the right/privilege.

No, while your point may be accurate, it's a bad analogy.
The right to bare arms is a constitutional right, eating on the subway is not.

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Re: Editorial: ''De Blasio's Subway Follies''

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Jul 23 15:21:20 2017, in response to Re: Editorial: ''De Blasio's Subway Follies'', posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Jul 23 14:50:38 2017.

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Hmm, could it be that removing those trash bins is part of the problem?

We also didn't have to worry about people leaving bombs in trash receptacles as much as now.

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Re: Editorial: ''De Blasio's Subway Follies''

Posted by Dave on Sun Jul 23 15:26:36 2017, in response to Re: Editorial: ''De Blasio's Subway Follies'', posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Jul 23 15:20:26 2017.

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What about the right to covered arms?

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Re: Editorial: ''De Blasio's Subway Follies''

Posted by Nilet on Sun Jul 23 15:30:01 2017, in response to Re: Editorial: ''De Blasio's Subway Follies'', posted by AlM on Sun Jul 23 13:32:42 2017.

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Banning eating because some people will abuse the right/privilege (by not tossing their garbage) is like banning guns because some people will abuse the right/privilege.

The analogy isn't apt.

If you allow people to eat on the subway, you get some inconvenience, a bit more litter, and a slight uptick in the number of track fires if the MTA can't be bothered to vacuum regularly.

If you allow gun ownership, people get shot and die en masse.

Obviously, there's a lot more reason to ban guns than to ban subway eating.

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Re: Editorial: ''De Blasio's Subway Follies''

Posted by Nilet on Sun Jul 23 15:34:14 2017, in response to Re: Editorial: ''De Blasio's Subway Follies'', posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Jul 23 15:20:26 2017.

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The right to bare arms is a constitutional right, eating on the subway is not.

AlM mentioned guns, not arms. There is no right to own guns. Gun ownership is a privilege that you must affirmatively prove you need and can be revoked at any time.

It's true that the US is extremely lax about actually restricting this privilege. It's also true that the US has a disproportionately high murder rate, attributable entirely to its refusal to restrict gun ownership.

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Re: Editorial: ''De Blasio's Subway Follies?''

Posted by Nilet on Sun Jul 23 15:38:20 2017, in response to Editorial: "De Blasio's Subway Follies", posted by Olog-hai on Sun Jul 23 13:03:26 2017.

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De Blasio, the far left, liberal-progressive mayor, whose basic platform has been one of assisting the underclass to the exclusion of all others

47. Did you not read the article before spamming SubChat with it or are you actually so far to the right that you think this is true?

Perhaps I should iframe that post every time you open your mouth.

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Re: Editorial: ''De Blasio's Subway Follies''

Posted by AlM on Sun Jul 23 15:39:10 2017, in response to Re: Editorial: ''De Blasio's Subway Follies'', posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Jul 23 15:20:26 2017.

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It's not a bad analogy. Even Justice Scalia in Heller wrote that there can be many restrictions on gun ownership.

And I don't deny that eating can constitutionally be banned on the subway - I'm just saying it's a complicated issue. I mean politically and in terms of fairness, not in terms of law.





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Re: Editorial: ''De Blasio's Subway Follies''

Posted by randyo on Sun Jul 23 15:54:50 2017, in response to Re: Editorial: ''De Blasio's Subway Follies'', posted by Nilet on Sun Jul 23 15:34:14 2017.

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Guns are included under the generic classification of “arms."

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Re: Editorial: ''De Blasio's Subway Follies''

Posted by Nilet on Sun Jul 23 16:13:35 2017, in response to Re: Editorial: ''De Blasio's Subway Follies'', posted by randyo on Sun Jul 23 15:54:50 2017.

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Not according to the Constitution.

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Re: Editorial: ''De Blasio's Subway Follies''

Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Jul 23 16:24:25 2017, in response to Editorial: "De Blasio's Subway Follies", posted by Olog-hai on Sun Jul 23 13:03:26 2017.

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I really doubt that the city has a $4 Billion surplus.

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Re: Editorial: ''De Blasio's Subway Follies''

Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sun Jul 23 16:28:35 2017, in response to Re: Editorial: ''De Blasio's Subway Follies'', posted by Nilet on Sun Jul 23 15:34:14 2017.

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For those freaked out by gun deaths in this country, two facts. The vast majority of shootings involve friends, neighbors, family. OTOH more americans are randomly slaughtered in highway deaths on an annual basis mostly caused by other drivers. Using transit is vastly safer than driving on miles traveled.

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Re: Editorial: ''De Blasio's Subway Follies''

Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sun Jul 23 16:31:03 2017, in response to Re: Editorial: ''De Blasio's Subway Follies'', posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Jul 23 15:21:20 2017.

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Which is still barely above zero.

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Re: Editorial: ''De Blasio's Subway Follies''

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Jul 23 16:32:44 2017, in response to Re: Editorial: ''De Blasio's Subway Follies'', posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Jul 23 15:21:20 2017.

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I believe the last time an actual bomb was detonated in the NYC subways, was in 1994. An ordinary white guy blew up a (4) train with a device he carried with him.

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Re: Editorial: ''De Blasio's Subway Follies''

Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sun Jul 23 16:34:10 2017, in response to Re: Editorial: ''De Blasio's Subway Follies'', posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Jul 23 16:32:44 2017.

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and as I pointed out in another post more of us die in tyraffic accidents than by shootings--obviously we should ban automobiles.

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Re: Editorial: ''De Blasio's Subway Follies''

Posted by Nilet on Sun Jul 23 16:50:44 2017, in response to Re: Editorial: ''De Blasio's Subway Follies'', posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sun Jul 23 16:28:35 2017.

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The vast majority of shootings involve friends, neighbors, family.

Still shootings.

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Re: Editorial: ''De Blasio's Subway Follies''

Posted by Edwards! on Sun Jul 23 16:51:41 2017, in response to Editorial: "De Blasio's Subway Follies", posted by Olog-hai on Sun Jul 23 13:03:26 2017.

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Wow.
Yet,the Right will sit back,Talk about an ISSUE because its popularity, and do absolutely nothing.
When they do act,its usually for their best interest only.
Tax and Spend, wash rinse and repeat.

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Re: Editorial: ''De Blasio's Subway Follies''

Posted by Nilet on Sun Jul 23 16:53:14 2017, in response to Re: Editorial: ''De Blasio's Subway Follies'', posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Jul 23 15:21:20 2017.

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We also didn't have to worry about people leaving bombs in trash receptacles as much as now.

We don't have to worry about it now either.

If we're going to obsess over how bomb-proof the trash cans are, I demand zombie-proof buses.

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Re: Editorial: ''De Blasio's Subway Follies''

Posted by Nilet on Sun Jul 23 16:55:38 2017, in response to Re: Editorial: ''De Blasio's Subway Follies'', posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sun Jul 23 16:34:10 2017.

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and as I pointed out in another post more of us die in tyraffic accidents than by shootings

So would you agree that driving is a privilege that you need to affirmatively prove you need and can be revoked at any time?

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Re: Editorial: ''De Blasio's Subway Follies''

Posted by Dave on Sun Jul 23 17:39:38 2017, in response to Re: Editorial: ''De Blasio's Subway Follies'', posted by Nilet on Sun Jul 23 16:13:35 2017.

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SCOTUS disagrees with you.

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Re: Editorial: ''De Blasio's Subway Follies''

Posted by Nilet on Sun Jul 23 17:55:02 2017, in response to Re: Editorial: ''De Blasio's Subway Follies'', posted by Dave on Sun Jul 23 17:39:38 2017.

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What a bunch of far-right activist judges do has no bearing on what the Constitution says.

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Re: Editorial: ''De Blasio's Subway Follies''

Posted by randyo on Sun Jul 23 18:11:16 2017, in response to Re: Editorial: ''De Blasio's Subway Follies'', posted by Nilet on Sun Jul 23 17:55:02 2017.

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However, one of the main functions of SCOTUS is to interpret the Constitution!

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Re: Editorial: ''De Blasio's Subway Follies''

Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Jul 23 19:56:43 2017, in response to Re: Editorial: ''De Blasio's Subway Follies'', posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Jul 23 15:20:26 2017.

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The right to bare arms is a constitutional right

Spell check strike again?

Second Amendment says "the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed". It's a natural right, therefore, and any and all laws infringing on that right are unconstitutional.

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Re: Editorial: ''De Blasio's Subway Follies''

Posted by AlM on Sun Jul 23 19:59:59 2017, in response to Re: Editorial: ''De Blasio's Subway Follies'', posted by Olog-hai on Sun Jul 23 19:56:43 2017.

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any and all laws infringing on that right are unconstitutional

Justice Scalia, writing in Heller, disagreed with you.



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Re: Editorial: ''De Blasio's Subway Follies''

Posted by Nilet on Sun Jul 23 20:25:00 2017, in response to Re: Editorial: ''De Blasio's Subway Follies'', posted by randyo on Sun Jul 23 18:11:16 2017.

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Which means they have no excuse for interpreting it incorrectly.

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Re: Editorial: ''De Blasio's Subway Follies''

Posted by Nilet on Sun Jul 23 20:25:32 2017, in response to Re: Editorial: ''De Blasio's Subway Follies'', posted by Olog-hai on Sun Jul 23 19:56:43 2017.

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Still not seeing anything about guns in there.

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Re: Editorial: ''De Blasio's Subway Follies''

Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Jul 23 21:37:01 2017, in response to Re: Editorial: ''De Blasio's Subway Follies'', posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Jul 23 16:24:25 2017.

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Not after people like Wilhelm spend it on his favorites, no.

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Re: Editorial: ''De Blasio's Subway Follies''

Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Jul 23 21:37:37 2017, in response to Re: Editorial: ''De Blasio's Subway Follies'', posted by randyo on Sun Jul 23 15:54:50 2017.

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Correct.

Even tactical clean nukes would be.

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Re: Editorial: ''De Blasio's Subway Follies''

Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Jul 23 21:38:08 2017, in response to Re: Editorial: ''De Blasio's Subway Follies'', posted by randyo on Sun Jul 23 18:11:16 2017.

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Nope; they're supposed to make sure the laws adhere to the Constitution, not to alter the Constitution's meaning.

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Re: Editorial: ''De Blasio's Subway Follies''

Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sun Jul 23 22:25:14 2017, in response to Re: Editorial: ''De Blasio's Subway Follies'', posted by Nilet on Sun Jul 23 20:25:00 2017.

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Which of course you have more credentialsthan they....

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Re: Editorial: ''De Blasio's Subway Follies''

Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sun Jul 23 22:26:11 2017, in response to Re: Editorial: ''De Blasio's Subway Follies'', posted by Nilet on Sun Jul 23 20:25:00 2017.

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Which of course you have more cridentials than they....

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Re: Editorial: ''De Blasio's Subway Follies''

Posted by Dave on Sun Jul 23 23:09:34 2017, in response to Re: Editorial: ''De Blasio's Subway Follies'', posted by Nilet on Sun Jul 23 17:55:02 2017.

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LOL!!

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Re: Editorial: ''De Blasio's Subway Follies''

Posted by Dave on Sun Jul 23 23:10:08 2017, in response to Re: Editorial: ''De Blasio's Subway Follies'', posted by Nilet on Sun Jul 23 20:25:32 2017.

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SCOTUS disagrees with you.

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Re: Editorial: ''De Blasio's Subway Follies''

Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Jul 24 00:00:40 2017, in response to Re: Editorial: ''De Blasio's Subway Follies'', posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sun Jul 23 22:26:11 2017.

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Don't forget, Obama was moderate to far right. Didn't matter that he hung out with far lefties.

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Re: Editorial: ''De Blasio's Subway Follies''

Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Mon Jul 24 02:14:03 2017, in response to Re: Editorial: ''De Blasio's Subway Follies'', posted by Dave on Sun Jul 23 23:10:08 2017.

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SCOTUS has been wrong many times in history; a few standouts Dred Scott, Plessy v Ferguson, Citizens United, and if I spent time many others. More importantly, as Plessy makes clear, what is decided in one era, can be reversed in another. Arlen Specter liked the phrase "stare decisis" but was also co-author of a manual on how to continue abusive interrogation techniques despite Miranda.
Rail content--Plessy was a decision specifically involving accomodations on passenger trains. For many years railfan publications employed the euphemism "divided coach" when describing the Jim Crow cars in train consists.

For those of us of a certain age, De Blasio v Cuomo is very similar to Lindsay v Rockefeller--in each case supposedly of the same party but personally not inclined to cooperate.
Bill may not be perfect, but Lindsay was the last Republican I voted for and I doubt that will change in whatever time I have left.

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Re: Editorial: ''De Blasio's Subway Follies''

Posted by ntrainride on Mon Jul 24 02:23:37 2017, in response to Editorial: "De Blasio's Subway Follies", posted by Olog-hai on Sun Jul 23 13:03:26 2017.

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ridiculous. it's a disgusting, filthy habit. not only is it seriously gross to sit or stand on a train near those nasty slovenly people a chompin' and a chawin' greasy chicken and smelly fish, the garbage these pigs leave behind is simply an affront to civilized passengers.

that chump mayor obviously don't ride subways.

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Re: Editorial: ''De Blasio's Subway Follies''

Posted by ntrainride on Mon Jul 24 02:32:55 2017, in response to Re: Editorial: ''De Blasio's Subway Follies'', posted by Nilet on Sun Jul 23 15:30:01 2017.

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your "logic" is based on biased elements. just because it doesn't get you killed, mostly, has no bearing on how it should be judged.

as in, public transit is just that: public. to participate you must be on your "best behavior". and eating sloppy odiferous greasy foods on a public transit vehicle is not civilized behavior.

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Re: Editorial: ''De Blasio's Subway Follies''

Posted by Shiznit1987 on Mon Jul 24 03:39:31 2017, in response to Editorial: "De Blasio's Subway Follies", posted by Olog-hai on Sun Jul 23 13:03:26 2017.

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I disagree about banning food. People should be treated like adults and if caught littering be given a ticket.

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Re: Editorial: ''De Blasio's Subway Follies''

Posted by Dyre Dan on Mon Jul 24 10:35:05 2017, in response to Re: Editorial: ''De Blasio's Subway Follies'', posted by Nilet on Sun Jul 23 16:13:35 2017.

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Guns are the primary thing that was meant by "arms" as used in the Second Amendment. If you think they're not, then what do you think it does mean? Swords?

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Re: Editorial: ''De Blasio's Subway Follies''

Posted by bigbusdriver on Mon Jul 24 11:11:08 2017, in response to Re: Editorial: ''De Blasio's Subway Follies'', posted by Nilet on Sun Jul 23 16:53:14 2017.

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If New York City gets zombie-proof buses, ridership will decline drastically.

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Re: Editorial: ''De Blasio's Subway Follies''

Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Jul 24 11:13:44 2017, in response to Re: Editorial: ''De Blasio's Subway Follies'', posted by bigbusdriver on Mon Jul 24 11:11:08 2017.

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What about zombie-proof taxicabs?

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Re: Editorial: ''De Blasio's Subway Follies''

Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Jul 24 11:15:25 2017, in response to Re: Editorial: ''De Blasio's Subway Follies'', posted by ntrainride on Mon Jul 24 02:32:55 2017.

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Logic? How about this for logic? (LuchAAA might call that "winning a thread" though.)

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Re: Editorial: ''De Blasio's Subway Follies''

Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Jul 24 11:16:36 2017, in response to Re: Editorial: ''De Blasio's Subway Follies'', posted by Dyre Dan on Mon Jul 24 10:35:05 2017.

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The last liberal argument centered around front-loading muskets. That shows their hatred of the US Constitution, thus saying that they believe that it is not a document written for all time.

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Re: Editorial: ''De Blasio's Subway Follies''

Posted by Fine, Howard, and Fine on Mon Jul 24 11:23:13 2017, in response to Re: Editorial: ''De Blasio's Subway Follies'', posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Jul 23 15:21:20 2017.

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Other than the Northern Ireland-inspired bombings in the 1990's, have there been any actual trash receptacle bombings of note?

In my recollection these 1990's era bombings were entirely the motivication for removing trash receptacles in multiple subway systems in the USA.

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Re: Editorial: ''De Blasio's Subway Follies''

Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Jul 24 11:26:54 2017, in response to Re: Editorial: ''De Blasio's Subway Follies'', posted by Fine, Howard, and Fine on Mon Jul 24 11:23:13 2017.

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Other than the Northern Ireland-inspired bombings in the 1990s

If it inspires the Northern Irish commies, it also inspires the Islamists.



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Re: Editorial: ''De Blasio's Subway Follies''

Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jul 24 11:34:37 2017, in response to Re: Editorial: ''De Blasio's Subway Follies'', posted by Olog-hai on Mon Jul 24 11:15:25 2017.

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Stalker.

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Re: Editorial: ''De Blasio's Subway Follies''

Posted by Nilet on Mon Jul 24 13:57:30 2017, in response to Re: Editorial: ''De Blasio's Subway Follies'', posted by Olog-hai on Mon Jul 24 00:00:40 2017.

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LOL, how quickly you forget. Remember this little gem?



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