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Posted by Joe V on Wed Mar 15 11:31:38 2017, in response to Re: NY congressman Higgins writes Amtrak's Moorman in support of reopening Buffalo Central Terminal, posted by pragmatist on Wed Mar 15 11:22:44 2017. Like Syracuse, most suburbs are nice, downtown is not, and no one goes downtown. I have relatives in Syracuse for 50+ years. I know that. My cousin never went downtown until he was 16 to get his learner's permit. |
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Posted by pragmatist on Wed Mar 15 11:46:30 2017, in response to Re: NY congressman Higgins writes Amtrak's Moorman in support of reopening Buffalo Central Terminal, posted by Joe V on Wed Mar 15 11:31:38 2017. I coached at the Empire State Games for many years, and the host site for hockey the years when we were in Syracuse was the "Onondaga County War Memorial" or "On Center" as they called it later. Not a lot of life down there in the summer. Maybe a little better when school is in session. Still go to a meeting for hockey every year, but we use an East Syracuse hotel, never downtown. |
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Posted by Joe V on Wed Mar 15 11:48:23 2017, in response to Re: NY congressman Higgins writes Amtrak's Moorman in support of reopening Buffalo Central Terminal, posted by pragmatist on Wed Mar 15 11:46:30 2017. Salinas Street is downright dangerous, gangs with shootings.Rochester is no picnic either after 6pm when they roll up the sidewalks. |
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Posted by pragmatist on Wed Mar 15 11:51:02 2017, in response to Re: NY congressman Higgins writes Amtrak's Moorman in support of reopening Buffalo Central Terminal, posted by Joe V on Wed Mar 15 11:48:23 2017. When did they get sidewalks? |
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Posted by orange blossom special on Wed Mar 15 12:07:25 2017, in response to Re: NY congressman Higgins writes Amtrak's Moorman in support of reopening Buffalo Central Terminal, posted by Bill Newkirk on Wed Mar 15 08:31:50 2017. That's beautiful, but will they repaint it, or put in some newfangled ugly equipment?I love our modern cities in the liberal havens, they did such a good job that they should spread nationally. |
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Posted by Joe V on Wed Mar 15 12:50:04 2017, in response to Re: NY congressman Higgins writes Amtrak's Moorman in support of reopening Buffalo Central Terminal, posted by orange blossom special on Wed Mar 15 12:07:25 2017. It needs a hell of a lot more than paint. |
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Posted by orange blossom special on Wed Mar 15 15:32:38 2017, in response to Re: NY congressman Higgins writes Amtrak's Moorman in support of reopening Buffalo Central Terminal, posted by Joe V on Wed Mar 15 12:50:04 2017. Putting in tracks, etc is a given. And of course the boneheads with the leafblower pushing one piece of debris 3 feet.I meant rehab vs tearing down things and rebuilding. I like the curved awnings. |
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Posted by pragmatist on Wed Mar 15 16:21:46 2017, in response to Re: NY congressman Higgins writes Amtrak's Moorman in support of reopening Buffalo Central Terminal, posted by orange blossom special on Wed Mar 15 15:32:38 2017. High platforms for ADA level boarding. |
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Posted by Joe V on Wed Mar 15 16:39:56 2017, in response to Re: NY congressman Higgins writes Amtrak's Moorman in support of reopening Buffalo Central Terminal, posted by orange blossom special on Wed Mar 15 15:32:38 2017. The main station building is a total wreck and has to be rebuilt. |
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Posted by Joe V on Wed Mar 15 16:55:54 2017, in response to Re: NY congressman Higgins writes Amtrak's Moorman in support of reopening Buffalo Central Terminal, posted by orange blossom special on Wed Mar 15 15:32:38 2017. Below is what it looks like now:http://www.urbanghostsmedia.com/2010/03/silent-station-buffalo-central-terminal/ |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Wed Mar 15 19:18:53 2017, in response to Re: NY congressman Higgins writes Amtrak's Moorman in support of reopening Buffalo Central Terminal, posted by Joe V on Wed Mar 15 16:55:54 2017. Incorrect, it has been undergoing a steady renovation. Even the end of the 2010 article you just linked to says so:Thanks to these dedicated volunteers, Buffalo Central has been secured and debris shown in these photographs has been removed. The Terminal is no longer abandoned and continues to make good progress on the long and winding road to restoration. The main hall has been renovated to the point where it is usable as an event space. The rest of the interior (offices) is in terrible shape, but that won't get in the way of it being used as a rail station again. In a perfect world, Buffalo would get a station like Worcester Union Station - historical, multi-modal, with plenty of safe indoor parking. Run the light rail out there on its way to the airport and it's just as good as being downtown. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Mar 15 20:46:16 2017, in response to Re: NY congressman Higgins writes Amtrak's Moorman in support of reopening Buffalo Central Terminal, posted by pragmatist on Wed Mar 15 16:21:46 2017. Then that will exclude Superliners forever. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Wed Mar 15 21:09:48 2017, in response to Re: NY congressman Higgins writes Amtrak's Moorman in support of reopening Buffalo Central Terminal, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Mar 15 20:46:16 2017. Sadly they already did that with the platform raising at Albany. There's no longer a low platform section. Maybe one door can fit in the area past the ramp at the end of the platform. |
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Posted by pragmatist on Wed Mar 15 21:09:58 2017, in response to Re: NY congressman Higgins writes Amtrak's Moorman in support of reopening Buffalo Central Terminal, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Mar 15 20:46:16 2017. There are no trains, and mo tracks at that station now, so it would be unlikely that any ADA waiver would be granted if they were put back in. There are no SL trains presently serving the area, and all of the trains go into NYP, so unless some new route materialized, that is absolutely true. Much of Amtrak in NY is already high platform. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Mar 15 21:14:25 2017, in response to Re: NY congressman Higgins writes Amtrak's Moorman in support of reopening Buffalo Central Terminal, posted by pragmatist on Wed Mar 15 21:09:58 2017. Waivers have been granted in the case of historic importance; note Hoboken Terminal. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Mar 15 21:15:18 2017, in response to Re: NY congressman Higgins writes Amtrak's Moorman in support of reopening Buffalo Central Terminal, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Wed Mar 15 21:09:48 2017. That's Rensselaer, and that's of course correct about the platform. |
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Posted by pragmatist on Wed Mar 15 21:16:22 2017, in response to Re: NY congressman Higgins writes Amtrak's Moorman in support of reopening Buffalo Central Terminal, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Wed Mar 15 21:09:48 2017. I like the S/L cars, but the single level fleet handles Empire Service pretty well, level boarding is easier for crowded trains, and changing trains to get into NYP would be ridiculous. NYS pays a good buck for service, what would they gain by making service clumsier? The only thing S/L service would add in NY is a real lounge on the Lake Shore, but it would be handicapped by the inability to get into NYP. |
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Posted by pragmatist on Wed Mar 15 21:21:25 2017, in response to Re: NY congressman Higgins writes Amtrak's Moorman in support of reopening Buffalo Central Terminal, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Mar 15 21:14:25 2017. True, but there is no preservation of something here, it was all ripped out. There is no justification to put in a low platform in that location, none of the current or proposed services have any problem with high level. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Wed Mar 15 21:21:58 2017, in response to Re: NY congressman Higgins writes Amtrak's Moorman in support of reopening Buffalo Central Terminal, posted by pragmatist on Wed Mar 15 21:16:22 2017. I agree, but the Superliners would be great for a restored "New England States" (BOS-CHI).Once every few years a Superliner LSL makes its way to ALB, and people are transferred to/from an Empire Corridor set to reach NYC. So, it'd be awesome if the LSL kept the single levels while a newly restored NES had Superliners :). |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Wed Mar 15 21:24:33 2017, in response to Re: NY congressman Higgins writes Amtrak's Moorman in support of reopening Buffalo Central Terminal, posted by pragmatist on Wed Mar 15 21:21:25 2017. There's plenty of track space, they can have a 6 car high level platform with a ramp and room for a 5 car low platform (which ALB had until last year). Why 6 cars? Because only the LSL is longer than that, and other than the LSL nothing runs with more than 4 cars + cafe open past ALB. |
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Posted by pragmatist on Wed Mar 15 21:29:27 2017, in response to Re: NY congressman Higgins writes Amtrak's Moorman in support of reopening Buffalo Central Terminal, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Wed Mar 15 21:21:58 2017. What would it do in SDY ROC,and Syracuse? ( I don't know the Mass stops or if it would it clear South Station) |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Wed Mar 15 21:41:02 2017, in response to Re: NY congressman Higgins writes Amtrak's Moorman in support of reopening Buffalo Central Terminal, posted by pragmatist on Wed Mar 15 21:29:27 2017. SDY and ROC are low platform. SDY got the waiver to not get high platforms as the station is on a curve, so it will never have an issue.SYR has a mini-low which is used when trains can't use the platform track - the Superliners stop there when needed. Pittsfield was renovated but only has a low platform (due to freight). Springfield also low, might be getting high as part of the CDOT commuter rail project, but plenty of room for low platform there. Worcester has a high platform only, but the old low platform is still present past the end and forms part of a walkway to a parking lot. Just need to tear down the fence. Framingham and Back bay are low platform. BOS is the only problem station, but I don't think it's insurmountable. They're planning on expanding the station and with that they could put in one low platform. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Mar 15 21:41:39 2017, in response to Re: NY congressman Higgins writes Amtrak's Moorman in support of reopening Buffalo Central Terminal, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Wed Mar 15 21:21:58 2017. I agree, but the Superliners would be great for a restored "New England States" (BOS-CHI)Should have done it while Boston South Station still had low platforms. Now, not happening. Then again, the MBTA should have gone with gallery cars too and stayed away from high platforms. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Mar 15 21:52:00 2017, in response to Re: NY congressman Higgins writes Amtrak's Moorman in support of reopening Buffalo Central Terminal, posted by pragmatist on Wed Mar 15 21:16:22 2017. I like the S/L cars, but the single level fleet handles Empire Service pretty well, level boarding is easier for crowded trainsSuperliners have level boarding at low platforms. Besides, "level boarding" is a canard designed to get rid of passenger rail service. |
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Posted by pragmatist on Wed Mar 15 23:14:49 2017, in response to Re: NY congressman Higgins writes Amtrak's Moorman in support of reopening Buffalo Central Terminal, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Wed Mar 15 21:41:02 2017. Rochester is becoming high platform. Like I said, I like the Superliners, but I don't see any reason to think we gain much by provisioning for them. Other than SSL for the one LD train that goes through the area, what is the real advantage? I like the idea of BOS-Chicago, but I don't see any way you can make the numbers work. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Wed Mar 15 23:43:26 2017, in response to Re: NY congressman Higgins writes Amtrak's Moorman in support of reopening Buffalo Central Terminal, posted by pragmatist on Wed Mar 15 23:14:49 2017. The Superliners are impressive cars. I'd really hate to lose the ability to run them through upstate NY, and it's really not that hard to keep the stations compatible.As for Rochester, unless it's an island platform they'll likely have the same setup as Syracuse - a mini-low. If an Amtrak is on the far track for whatever reason, people need to get to the train somehow, and that same provision keeps it Superliner-friendly. |
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Posted by pragmatist on Thu Mar 16 01:24:54 2017, in response to Re: NY congressman Higgins writes Amtrak's Moorman in support of reopening Buffalo Central Terminal, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Wed Mar 15 23:43:26 2017. As I stated in my other posts, I also like the S/L series. I'm not sure I would call them impressive, but that's subjective. I guess I just see rail across NY, and how it can be grown and improved in a financially sustainable manner in a different light, and don't see a S/L car equipped train as having any particular value when put on a list of things that would be really useful. I'd rather see money spent on restored Southern Tier service before trying to bring in cars that can't go to the present logical endpoints without spending hard to come by cash, just because we like them a little better. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Mar 16 01:57:10 2017, in response to Re: NY congressman Higgins writes Amtrak's Moorman in support of reopening Buffalo Central Terminal, posted by pragmatist on Thu Mar 16 01:24:54 2017. I'd rather see money spent on restored Southern Tier service before trying to bring in cars that can't go to the present logical endpoints without spending hard to come by cash, just because we like them a little betterThat'd be a false dilemma if the private sector were permitted to handle this situation; the cash would not be so hard to come by. That said, I would like to be able to see places like Jamestown NY by rail again, even just for a brief visit. |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Thu Mar 16 02:07:23 2017, in response to Re: NY congressman Higgins writes Amtrak's Moorman in support of reopening Buffalo Central Terminal, posted by Joe V on Wed Mar 15 07:18:57 2017. Agreed, but there needs to be something in downtown, regardless of our opinions of Depew. That's the whole selling point of the train, is it takes you right to downtown. Depew is great if you're going to the airport or the suburbs, but it's worse than Central Terminal for downtown access. Again, the trend is moving back towards the city. Planning without acknowledging that is idiotic |
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Posted by Dyre Dan on Thu Mar 16 02:08:06 2017, in response to Re: NY congressman Higgins writes Amtrak's Moorman in support of reopening Buffalo Central Terminal, posted by Bill Newkirk on Wed Mar 15 08:31:50 2017. I see outdoor platforms, and also openings in the building that look like they were designed for trains to run through. So, why? |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Thu Mar 16 02:12:22 2017, in response to Re: NY congressman Higgins writes Amtrak's Moorman in support of reopening Buffalo Central Terminal, posted by Joe V on Wed Mar 15 11:48:23 2017. Syracuse is a real shit hole, but again, the overall trend is moving back towards the downtown. The problem in Syracuse is that Wegmans is the largest employer. SU is probably the 2nd. SU though has invested in downtown. While my brother was attending Syracuse (within the past 10 years) they moved some of his courses to a warehouse they fixed up downtown. |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Thu Mar 16 02:17:16 2017, in response to Re: NY congressman Higgins writes Amtrak's Moorman in support of reopening Buffalo Central Terminal, posted by italianstallion on Wed Mar 15 10:07:19 2017. You're so desperate to keep a piece of history alive that you can't even see the ridiculousness of what you're suggesting. So instead of spending the money to build a decent station walking distance to downtown, you want to not only spend money restoring and maintaining a gargantuan station that will never be used to capacity in an area that will never see the density that downtown sees, but you also want to spend money on building a light rail line so that you can now sell that station as convenient to downtown. Do you not see how incredibly ass backwards that is? |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Thu Mar 16 02:24:05 2017, in response to Re: NY congressman Higgins writes Amtrak's Moorman in support of reopening Buffalo Central Terminal, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Wed Mar 15 00:17:46 2017. So nobody on this board has a mind for the future? Nobody has noticed that the city center is where young people are headed? Oh, and call me crazy, but isn't there a mall right there off I-90, 5 miles from Central Terminal? Yeah, that's what's needed, another mall. |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Thu Mar 16 02:26:58 2017, in response to Re: NY congressman Higgins writes Amtrak's Moorman in support of reopening Buffalo Central Terminal, posted by italianstallion on Wed Mar 15 10:33:43 2017. Agreed, a study needs to be done, as does a future outlook for where in Buffalo the future growth will occur |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Thu Mar 16 02:27:53 2017, in response to Re: NY congressman Higgins writes Amtrak's Moorman in support of reopening Buffalo Central Terminal, posted by Joe V on Wed Mar 15 07:26:04 2017. If the station was built at the junction right off exit 5, the LSL most definitely could stop there. |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Thu Mar 16 03:00:57 2017, in response to Re: NY congressman Higgins writes Amtrak's Moorman in support of reopening Buffalo Central Terminal, posted by Bill Newkirk on Wed Mar 15 08:31:50 2017. It is truly a magnificent structure, but they speculated far too much when building this. Even if you converted all the space in Central Terminal to different uses (apartments in the tower, etc), how long would it take for the surrounding area to develop? How long would it take for the density of downtown Buffalo to spread to Central Terminal? Until then, this station is inconvenient to the type of area that young people are moving to. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Mar 16 08:37:57 2017, in response to Re: NY congressman Higgins writes Amtrak's Moorman in support of reopening Buffalo Central Terminal, posted by Dyre Dan on Thu Mar 16 02:08:06 2017. Why what? |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Mar 16 08:39:03 2017, in response to Re: NY congressman Higgins writes Amtrak's Moorman in support of reopening Buffalo Central Terminal, posted by NIMBYkiller on Thu Mar 16 03:00:57 2017. they speculated far too much when building thisIt was in use for 50 years until Amtrak shut it down. What speculation? |
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Posted by orange blossom special on Thu Mar 16 11:03:17 2017, in response to Re: NY congressman Higgins writes Amtrak's Moorman in support of reopening Buffalo Central Terminal, posted by pragmatist on Wed Mar 15 21:16:22 2017. Last few times I've been in a superliner, it was level boarding.Everyone crams down the stairs and waits for an exceedingly long time before it hits the station, and whamo. And what's nice, they don't have to line up and crowd where most of the passengers hang out. Added benefit, they aren't blocking the way for people going to and fro, and stopping me from going to the dining car. They are completely out of the way! Lastly, are we talking about superliner rapid transit or something? How crowded and time consuming are we even talking about? I thought the upstate was supposed to have pleasant scenery, so why not use superliners? |
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Posted by heypaul on Thu Mar 16 11:17:17 2017, in response to Re: NY congressman Higgins writes Amtrak's Moorman in support of reopening Buffalo Central Terminal, posted by Joe V on Mon Mar 13 18:03:12 2017. Spelling correction. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Mar 16 12:01:43 2017, in response to Re: NY congressman Higgins writes Amtrak's Moorman in support of reopening Buffalo Central Terminal, posted by Dyre Dan on Thu Mar 16 02:08:06 2017. That was a road tunnel. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Mar 16 12:11:23 2017, in response to Re: NY congressman Higgins writes Amtrak's Moorman in support of reopening Buffalo Central Terminal, posted by Joe V on Wed Mar 15 11:22:22 2017. Walking 1.9 miles from the train station to a public bus is not a standard mode of travel for normal people.As for Pepe Depew, it is a stupid place for a train station and essentially conveys the fact that Buffalo is a hole that no one wants to travel to. I favor the Larkinville option. Close to downtown and in a neighborhood that could use the investment and has a reasonable future. Central Station was always a huge mistake. Even if they do choose Central Station, the absence of a public bus is meaningless. There's no public bus because there's no train station there. Obviously one would be implemented as part of any train service. Finally, Buffalo doesn't need a light rail to the airport. Building one takes away from more useful investment in the light rail like extension to Amherst or the Tonawandas. |
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Posted by pragmatist on Thu Mar 16 12:35:46 2017, in response to Re: NY congressman Higgins writes Amtrak's Moorman in support of reopening Buffalo Central Terminal, posted by orange blossom special on Thu Mar 16 11:03:17 2017. Because NYS subsidizes the trains (most of them) and they want trains that go to NYP. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Thu Mar 16 15:18:24 2017, in response to Re: NY congressman Higgins writes Amtrak's Moorman in support of reopening Buffalo Central Terminal, posted by NIMBYkiller on Thu Mar 16 02:17:16 2017. No. There's a credible plan to redevelop the building as a combination mall, community center and train station. It's a lot closer to downtown than Depew. The Exchange St. station can be kept, if people want a true downtown stop, for trains terminating in Buffalo or going to Canada. But Depew would be shut, and Central would be a regional station for both the city and suburbs. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Thu Mar 16 15:19:11 2017, in response to Re: NY congressman Higgins writes Amtrak's Moorman in support of reopening Buffalo Central Terminal, posted by NIMBYkiller on Thu Mar 16 02:24:05 2017. You think malls being 5 miles apart is a short distance? |
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Posted by italianstallion on Thu Mar 16 15:21:50 2017, in response to Re: NY congressman Higgins writes Amtrak's Moorman in support of reopening Buffalo Central Terminal, posted by Olog-hai on Thu Mar 16 08:39:03 2017. There was speculation that the city would grow out to that point, with a much bigger population that it ever gained. The station was always too big, except for the few years after it was opened, and the WWII years. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Thu Mar 16 15:24:12 2017, in response to Re: NY congressman Higgins writes Amtrak's Motorman in support of reopening Buffalo Central Terminal, posted by heypaul on Thu Mar 16 11:17:17 2017. You have way too much time on your hands. |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Thu Mar 16 18:22:24 2017, in response to Re: NY congressman Higgins writes Amtrak's Moorman in support of reopening Buffalo Central Terminal, posted by italianstallion on Thu Mar 16 15:18:24 2017. It seems ridiculous to me to have the train make a stop just outside of town and then another one in downtown. Depew makes some sense because of proximity to the airport (and even then, I doubt anyone is really making the connection). And if it had to be one or the other, I know I'd be pissed if I was taking a train and had to get off somewhere that would still require a transfer to get into downtown, and nobody is taking a train from outside of Buffalo to go to a mall. |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Thu Mar 16 18:23:57 2017, in response to Re: NY congressman Higgins writes Amtrak's Moorman in support of reopening Buffalo Central Terminal, posted by italianstallion on Thu Mar 16 15:19:11 2017. For a city like Buffalo, absolutely. On Long Island I get it, but then again, I watched the Source Mall go into a death spiral after Fortunoff left. Nobody even considered that anymore, they just went to Roosevelt Field. |
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Re: NY congressman Higgins writes Amtrak's Moorman in support of reopening Buffalo Central Terminal |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Thu Mar 16 18:29:45 2017, in response to Re: NY congressman Higgins writes Amtrak's Moorman in support of reopening Buffalo Central Terminal, posted by italianstallion on Thu Mar 16 15:21:50 2017. Exactly my point. If the city were to really grow out to there, then I'd be more inclined to support using it, but even with converting it into its own mini-city, it's still horribly disconnected and inconvenient to where the city currently is. It would take a Brooklyn-like rebound for Buffalo to grow out to Central Terminal. It sucks, it's a beautiful building and I'd love to see it used for Amtrak. Unfortunately I just don't see it ever being an area that makes sense. At best, I could see them repurposing the building for mixed use and the station itself being a stop for a light rail or commuter rail running up that abandoned ROW to Towanda, or something to the airport. But Amtrak needs to provide access to the urban core. I don't ever see that being Central Terminal. |
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