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Posted by Joe V on Wed Dec 30 18:11:09 2015, in response to Re: W to Astoria/N and Q to 96th Street?, posted by Broadway Lion on Wed Dec 30 11:06:13 2015. Without any capital expansion, what do you propose ? |
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Posted by Joe V on Wed Dec 30 18:13:10 2015, in response to Re: W to Astoria/N and Q to 96th Street?, posted by Broadway Lion on Wed Dec 30 11:06:13 2015. Slashing service south of 59th will start a holy war with Staten Island refugees of the 2 local buses from there. |
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Posted by Q Brightliner Harry on Wed Dec 30 23:41:36 2015, in response to Re: W to Astoria/N and Q to 96th Street?, posted by Joe V on Tue Dec 29 18:24:09 2015. Isn't there at present some underuse of R68As? I seem to have gotten that impression looking at the JoeKorner website. If that is the case, the shortage might not be as bad. Also, perhaps they can do some intense maintenance to get a higher percentage of R32s on the road for the morning rush. Even with all this, though, there would still be a pinch to have enough cars on the road for the morning rush, as you indicate. |
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Posted by AlM on Thu Dec 31 04:46:26 2015, in response to Re: W to Astoria/N and Q to 96th Street?, posted by Broadway Lion on Wed Dec 30 17:51:12 2015. Nice and simple, but it doesn't work.Astoria currently has far more demand than 95th Street. |
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Posted by AlM on Thu Dec 31 04:49:47 2015, in response to Re: W to Astoria/N and Q to 96th Street?, posted by Joe V on Wed Dec 30 18:08:15 2015. Politically easier to slash service elsewhere.Also, if anything goes wrong anywhere in Queens on the N/Q/R, they need to be able to turn trains coming from the south at 57th Street. I've seen that happen on multiple occasions. |
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Posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Thu Dec 31 08:22:10 2015, in response to Re: W to Astoria/N and Q to 96th Street?, posted by AlM on Thu Dec 31 04:46:26 2015. And 9th Ave isn't busy enough to warrant a second service, when there are busier stations to the south. |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Dec 31 08:28:23 2015, in response to Re: W to Astoria/N and Q to 96th Street?, posted by AlM on Thu Dec 31 04:49:47 2015. Say we kill a few J/Z, C, and R trains to contribute equipment, can you imagine the uproar: "you're slashing our service for those UES rich snots and doctors". |
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Posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Thu Dec 31 08:33:55 2015, in response to Re: W to Astoria/N and Q to 96th Street?, posted by qveensboro_plaza on Tue Dec 29 20:09:14 2015. I doubt that! I think Wall St-bound riders will stick with the 4 and 5 trains after the Q is extended there. The 4 and 5 have a more direct route to Wall St, whereas the Q goes west before it goes back east. And then you have to transfer if you need to get to Wall St. The Q will be better for riders headed to Times Square or Herald Square or the Canyon of Office Towers on 6th Ave in the 40's and 50's. |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Dec 31 08:40:59 2015, in response to Re: W to Astoria/N and Q to 96th Street?, posted by Q Brightliner Harry on Wed Dec 30 23:41:36 2015. There is supposed to be another R32 SMS.There is no denying the TA over-scrapped R32's and R44's, and again are to be bitten in the ass from over-scrapping, last done with R10's and R30's. |
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Posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Thu Dec 31 08:42:31 2015, in response to Re: W to Astoria/N and Q to 96th Street?, posted by Broadway Lion on Wed Dec 30 11:06:13 2015. The R is the only line serving Queens Blvd with a direct transfer to the 4 and 5 trains. No way you could get rid of that service. |
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Posted by AlM on Thu Dec 31 08:44:56 2015, in response to Re: W to Astoria/N and Q to 96th Street?, posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Thu Dec 31 08:33:55 2015. It depends. If you live at 1st Ave and 83rd St, the Q to the J/Z will get you to Wall Street faster. If you live at 3rd and 87th, OK, take the 4/5. |
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Posted by Kevin from Midwood on Thu Dec 31 08:45:31 2015, in response to Re: W to Astoria/N and Q to 96th Street?, posted by Joe V on Thu Dec 31 08:28:23 2015. The opening of the SAS is going to be a big deal, a press event with a ribbon-cutting ceremony attended by dignitaries. It's hard to imagine anyone signing off on 300' OPTO shuttle service. |
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Posted by AlM on Thu Dec 31 08:46:20 2015, in response to Re: W to Astoria/N and Q to 96th Street?, posted by Kevin from Midwood on Thu Dec 31 08:45:31 2015. Exactly. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Thu Dec 31 10:20:36 2015, in response to Re: W to Astoria/N and Q to 96th Street?, posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Thu Dec 31 08:22:10 2015. You MAX out Astoria with (R) trains. So what if 95th street doe not need that many. The (R) needs a place to tern around, and where name you a place to do that. Sometimes a train must run almost empty to get to a place where it may tern. No big deal that.Same with 9th/36 YOU say it does not need that much service, but the (W) does need a place to tern around, and that is best since it is not in the way of any other service. (W) will have the Lower Level to itself. No Problem there. As LION said we do not run trains for the convenience of the passengers, but rather for the convenience of the railroad. There are Convenient places to tern trains. And half of the (W) will sort tern at Whitehall. so only alt trains will venture on to 9/36. LION knows what him is doing even if the MTA does not. ROAR |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Thu Dec 31 10:23:58 2015, in response to Re: W to Astoria/N and Q to 96th Street?, posted by Joe V on Wed Dec 30 18:08:15 2015. NOT!Tracks at 57 cannot tern trains and also have thru trains. Shuttle feets da porpoise! Let the (Q) train run 24/7; let the (N) train run 16/7. Put service on the gnu lion like you meant it! ROAR |
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Posted by Q Brightliner Harry on Thu Dec 31 10:24:07 2015, in response to Re: W to Astoria/N and Q to 96th Street?, posted by Joe V on Thu Dec 31 08:40:59 2015. Well, then, according to the timetable for inaugurating the 2nd Av. stubway, they'd better get going with the SMS because they got a little less than a year to get those R32s in better shape. I've just looked at the JoeKorner website. Seems that there are ordinarily only 152 out of the 200 R68As on the roster for the morning rush. That's 76%, pretty low usage, not much more than the percentage usage of the surviving R32s. I wonder why. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Thu Dec 31 10:36:57 2015, in response to Re: W to Astoria/N and Q to 96th Street?, posted by Joe V on Wed Dec 30 18:11:09 2015. I propose running the (Q) and the (N) to 96th Street / Second Avenue.These trains already *HAVE* their equipment. I propose running the (R) train to Astoria with as much equipment as can be mustered. Even if it has no new terminals, they *can* layup equipment at 9/36 at night, can run them to CI for major maint, and can lay up equipment in the tunnels south of 59th street if necessary. If necessary every 3rd R can short tern at Whitehall, that will increase equipment availabliity. Run some (R) trains with 8 cars and ewe can short tern at Canal. Heck run ALL of the (R) trains with 8 cars... That will increase the frequency until more cars can be purchased. (R) Astoria to Ft. Ham (RW) Astoria to Whitehall (R) Astoria to Ft. Ham (RN) Astoria to 9/36 Because every other train cannot terminate at Whitehall without delaying the line (As demonstrated when the (W) terminated there.) Repeat! If austerity it is, 8 car (R) trains with the best possible frequency to Astoria will have to do it. You see that the LION left out BMT on the Queensboro. Maybe a 6 car shuttle [call it the (BS) if you like] can run from Continental to Canal LL maybe 6 tph. Still then the mbere with the (R) could be an issue. ROAR |
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Posted by AlM on Thu Dec 31 10:41:54 2015, in response to Re: W to Astoria/N and Q to 96th Street?, posted by Broadway Lion on Thu Dec 31 10:23:58 2015. Tracks at 57 cannot tern trains and also have thru trains.Sure they can. Turn trains on the express tracks and run through trains on the local tracks. It happens every day of the week right now. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Thu Dec 31 10:45:01 2015, in response to Re: W to Astoria/N and Q to 96th Street?, posted by Joe V on Wed Dec 30 18:13:10 2015. LION said not about slashing service south of 59!YOUSE GUYS said they needed not the levels of service that I had proposed. YOUSE GUYS said if I max out the (R) to Astoria, Ft. Ham does not knead that much service. LION keeps Ft. Ham at current levels, but additional levels of service will not go to the Ham. Now if Ham *does* knead better levels of service and that would be appropriate for the bus changers, they do not want to know about whic (R) to tahe, they just want to take the first (R) and go home. All well and good. But then ewe cannot complain to me that Ft. Ham. gets too much service. LION *would* tun the (R) line maxed out; LION would build a terminal at the Con Ed Plant in Queens, and LION woudl buy mor equipment, as it is clearly kneaded. But ewe also asked the LION about plans for austerity, with no new cap bdgts... LION gave that answer too. Here is another refinement. Cut the (Q) and the (N) by 1 tph, and increase the (R) by 2 tph. Shor tern some (R) at Whitehall is more tph is required at Astoria. The bridge beese riders will just have to manage under this austerity untill more can be purchased. ROAR |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Dec 31 10:46:03 2015, in response to Re: W to Astoria/N and Q to 96th Street?, posted by Broadway Lion on Thu Dec 31 10:36:57 2015. You can't screw over Forest Hills BMT service like that. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Thu Dec 31 11:53:06 2015, in response to Re: W to Astoria/N and Q to 96th Street?, posted by Joe V on Thu Dec 31 10:46:03 2015. Perhaps the R should be switched with a Broadway Express..Perhaps J can become the full time 4th avenue local..with R dropping out at 36th st midday and evenings. N 71st ave to Coney Island Q 96th st to Coney Island R Astoria to 36th st J Parsons Blvd to 95th st |
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Posted by Edwards! on Thu Dec 31 11:54:26 2015, in response to Re: W to Astoria/N and Q to 96th Street?, posted by Joe V on Thu Dec 31 10:46:03 2015. Perhaps the R should be switched with a Broadway Express..Perhaps J can become the full time 4th avenue local..with R dropping out at 36th st midday and evenings. N 71st ave to Coney Island Q 96th st to Coney Island R Astoria to 36th st J Parsons Blvd to 95th st W Astoria to Whitehall |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Dec 31 11:57:57 2015, in response to Re: W to Astoria/N and Q to 96th Street?, posted by Edwards! on Thu Dec 31 11:53:06 2015. How do you relay at 36th ? |
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Posted by Edwards! on Thu Dec 31 12:42:48 2015, in response to Re: W to Astoria/N and Q to 96th Street?, posted by Joe V on Thu Dec 31 11:57:57 2015. Hah...been around a long time,dude.I KNOW the system as well as any of you,if not better. A question like that is an insult to a layman's intelligence...even more to mine. No big deal though. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Thu Dec 31 12:45:16 2015, in response to Re: W to Astoria/N and Q to 96th Street?, posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Thu Dec 31 08:33:55 2015. Except at 86th, Lex riders need to transfer from the 6 to the 4/5. |
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Posted by R30A on Thu Dec 31 12:48:36 2015, in response to Re: W to Astoria/N and Q to 96th Street?, posted by Edwards! on Thu Dec 31 12:42:48 2015. A question like that is unanswerable. It is not possible to relay at 36th and maintain normal service.Perhaps you could send the R to 9th ave, but even then- Where are the cars to run the J to 95th? |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Thu Dec 31 12:52:02 2015, in response to Re: W to Astoria/N and Q to 96th Street?, posted by Edwards! on Thu Dec 31 12:42:48 2015. I KNOW the system as well as any of you,if not better.LOL!!!!!!!!!!!! HIGHLY doubt that! You're pretty dumb and wrong. A question like that is an insult to a layman's intelligence...even more to mine.So you can't answer his question, because you don't know the answer. All talk and no show. Thank you for admitting it. |
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Posted by AlM on Thu Dec 31 12:52:11 2015, in response to Re: W to Astoria/N and Q to 96th Street?, posted by italianstallion on Thu Dec 31 12:45:16 2015. And the transfer at 59th takes a lot of time. And the 6 is very slow from 77th or 68th to 42nd. |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Thu Dec 31 12:52:58 2015, in response to Re: W to Astoria/N and Q to 96th Street?, posted by R30A on Thu Dec 31 12:48:36 2015. A question like that is unanswerable. It is not possible to relay at 36th and maintain normal service.LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! PWN3D!!!! |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Dec 31 13:00:01 2015, in response to Re: W to Astoria/N and Q to 96th Street?, posted by Edwards! on Thu Dec 31 12:42:48 2015. Then you should know that is completely impossible. It would have to run out to 9th Ave. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Thu Dec 31 13:06:03 2015, in response to Re: W to Astoria/N and Q to 96th Street?, posted by AlM on Thu Dec 31 10:41:54 2015. Right now, but NOT when the express tracks will alsos be operating.Trains to queens using the 60th street tunnel can be on the Locla track, trains for the 63rd street system will be on the express trackw. ROAR |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Thu Dec 31 13:08:23 2015, in response to Re: W to Astoria/N and Q to 96th Street?, posted by Joe V on Thu Dec 31 10:46:03 2015. Sure you can. It is irrelevent and unnecessary. Any place you can reach with the BMT you can also reach with the E or the F. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Thu Dec 31 13:09:23 2015, in response to Re: W to Astoria/N and Q to 96th Street?, posted by Joe V on Thu Dec 31 11:57:57 2015. 9th Avenue Lower Level... Easy as Pie! |
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Posted by italianstallion on Thu Dec 31 13:18:14 2015, in response to Re: W to Astoria/N and Q to 96th Street?, posted by Joe V on Thu Dec 31 08:40:59 2015. Per Dec. 2015 MTA NYCT Committee materials, the original 2017-18 retirement of R32 cars is being delayed till 2022 due to R179 delays and "increased revenue service fleet requirements" (SAS?). It seems most of the work will be done in 2017-19. |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Dec 31 13:19:17 2015, in response to Re: W to Astoria/N and Q to 96th Street?, posted by Broadway Lion on Thu Dec 31 13:08:23 2015. Stations west of Jackson Hts on the IND cannot reach the 6th Avenue line without the M. The last regularly scheduled F train departed Queens Plaza for Manhattan 25 years ago. The rest take the M and R into Manhattan because they do not want to take the E or the F. |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Dec 31 13:23:50 2015, in response to Re: W to Astoria/N and Q to 96th Street?, posted by italianstallion on Thu Dec 31 13:18:14 2015. But does that mean all or just some of the 222 ?I hope the R44SI head right over to Scraparona with the R42's. |
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Posted by randyo on Thu Dec 31 13:27:47 2015, in response to Re: W to Astoria/N and Q to 96th Street?, posted by Joe V on Thu Dec 31 13:19:17 2015. You have your time frame a bit off. Fs continued to run through Qns Plaza except during midnight hours until 2001 when the 63 St connector opened. |
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Posted by randyo on Thu Dec 31 13:33:10 2015, in response to Re: W to Astoria/N and Q to 96th Street?, posted by Broadway Lion on Wed Dec 30 11:06:13 2015. Why all this talk about sending the N to 96 St when the present Q headways should be sufficient to handle SAS passenger loads? |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Dec 31 13:33:39 2015, in response to Re: W to Astoria/N and Q to 96th Street?, posted by randyo on Thu Dec 31 13:27:47 2015. Yes, I was thinking of 1988. |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Dec 31 13:37:10 2015, in response to Re: W to Astoria/N and Q to 96th Street?, posted by randyo on Thu Dec 31 13:33:10 2015. Straight line everything, dumb down the system for the lazy dispatchers, compete with Lex frequencies, |
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Posted by R2Chinatown on Thu Dec 31 14:05:01 2015, in response to Re: W to Astoria/N and Q to 96th Street?, posted by Joe V on Thu Dec 31 13:37:10 2015. Why do you claim that dispatchers are lazy or that they need the system 'dumbed down"? |
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Posted by italianstallion on Thu Dec 31 14:19:09 2015, in response to Re: W to Astoria/N and Q to 96th Street?, posted by Joe V on Thu Dec 31 13:23:50 2015. The minutes say "the R32 fleet." That sounds like all of them. |
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Posted by AlM on Thu Dec 31 14:38:37 2015, in response to Re: W to Astoria/N and Q to 96th Street?, posted by R2Chinatown on Thu Dec 31 14:05:01 2015. That's not his position. He's restating Lion's position. |
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Posted by SI 93 on Thu Dec 31 14:39:02 2015, in response to Re: W to Astoria/N and Q to 96th Street?, posted by italianstallion on Thu Dec 31 13:18:14 2015. Then the R211 car order should be increased from 940 because the R32 cars will probably be retired along with the R46 cars.The only question is how many R32 cars will remain in service after the R179 are all in service? |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Dec 31 14:52:28 2015, in response to Re: W to Astoria/N and Q to 96th Street?, posted by SI 93 on Thu Dec 31 14:39:02 2015. Italianstallion's reading of MTA minutes indicates all 222. |
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Posted by r33/r36 mainline on Thu Dec 31 14:54:46 2015, in response to Re: W to Astoria/N and Q to 96th Street?, posted by Q Brightliner Harry on Thu Dec 31 10:24:07 2015. A lot of the 68As are on the G line which only uses 4 cars.. maybe that effects the 68As spare factor. |
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Posted by Michael549 on Thu Dec 31 17:16:50 2015, in response to Re: W to Astoria/N and Q to 96th Street?, posted by R30A on Thu Dec 31 12:48:36 2015. From a previous message:"It is not possible to relay at 36th and maintain normal service." Of course it is POSSIBLE to terminate a train at the 36th Street-Fourth Avenue station. The train operators and conductors simply announce that 36th Street is the last station, the passengers leave the train, the train is then routed via the West End line to the switch area near 9th Avenue where it reverses and returns to the ststion, or down the center track to Coney Island train yards. Or the trains simply layup on the express tracks out of service - because the express tracks themselves are out of service. This kind of operation has been done for years or decades on the various lines. While the phrase, the "blank train" terminates AT a certain station usually means that there track switches and possibly layup tracks for that operation - that is not always the case. The G-train "terminated" for decades "at" the Smith-9th Street station, but every body damn well knows that those G-trains rode all of the way to the Fourth Avenue station and actually relayed on the express tracks there. Mike |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Thu Dec 31 17:36:03 2015, in response to Re: W to Astoria/N and Q to 96th Street?, posted by AlM on Thu Dec 31 14:38:37 2015. Wildebeests do not argue with LIONS!Keep your fingers off of the interlocking levers and the railroad will run much faster and more smoothly. ROAR |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Thu Dec 31 17:40:41 2015, in response to Re: W to Astoria/N and Q to 96th Street?, posted by Q Brightliner Harry on Wed Dec 30 23:41:36 2015. Virtually every weekday you see at least 1 R68/R68A on the N. If you look at the assignment sheets, there are to be NO old tech trains on the N. Therefore the R68/68A's are pinch hitting for the shortage of R160's so there are actually fewer old techs in the yard. |
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Posted by R30A on Thu Dec 31 18:11:58 2015, in response to Re: W to Astoria/N and Q to 96th Street?, posted by Michael549 on Thu Dec 31 17:16:50 2015. My point is that it isn't possible to terminate trains at 36th street. Too many trains to take trains out of service there without severely delaying the other lines. |
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