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LIRR Looking to Supplement Current Diesel Fleet |
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Posted by lirr42 on Fri Oct 4 22:27:00 2013 Earlier today, a Request for Expression of Interest popped up on the MTA's website saying that the LIRR was considering leasing some sort of supplemental diesel equipment to supplement the current fleet which is far too small to carry on like it is now.From the RFEI: "MTA Long Island Rail Road (LIRR) is contemplating supplementing a portion of its current fleet of passenger diesel locomotives and passenger rail cars via a lease agreement. The LIRR is interested in obtaining sets of equipment which are highly reliable and are in good working order in the following configurations:
As it stands, the cars designated in "Group A" would supplement Oyster Bay Branch sets with trains of five cars seating 420 passengers (roughly 84 people per car, so a standard single-level coach would be more than sufficient). "Group B" would be for two car sets that seat 280 passengers. Two cars that can seat 280 passengers could be a bit tricky. 280 divided by two is 140 seats per car. So that would very likely have to be a bi-level car of some sort. Finding leftover/used equipment that are bi-levels and seat 140 people will be quite difficult, so I hope the LIRR's not going to adhere to that requirement all that strictly. The document goes on to say that the cars have to have heat and AC and the like (consider yourselves lucky, that used to not be the case on many railroads!). The document also says that the cars must be ADA accessible and able to board at high-level platforms. The cars must also be able to meet all of the LIRR's clearance requirements (presumably including New York Penn). The document then says that the equipment would be able to run at speeds as high as 80 m.p.h. (though there's not an inch of anything close to 80 m.p.h. territory east of Ronkonkoma and for the vast majority of the Oyster Bay branch). There's not that much else to it. It's basically just a "feeler" that the LIRR's putting out to see if anyone possibly has something that they would be able to lease to the LIRR. So who could the LIRR possibly lease from? It would have to be another passenger railroad, unless some random Joe Snobgrass is sitting around someplace with seven cars and four locomotives tied up in his backyard. Because they would have to meet pretty tight clearance regulations, the only real candidates are other New York-area railroads. Obviously the LIRR isn't going to lease stuff from themselves, so we can cross them off the list. Moreover, Metro-North doesn't really have a surplus of Shoerliner coaches, and judging from their ongoing implosion on the New Haven Line, I'd think they'd quite like to keep what they have on their own rails, even if they aren't getting used. The only candidate I can think of is NJTransit. However, they're equipment took a hit after Hurricane Sandy and they are still yet to completely recover. Of their 932 normally available coaches (both Comets and MLV's), 213 were damaged during Hurricane Sandy, and 54 of those have still yet to be returned to service. If Hurricane Sandy hadn't happened I'd say NJTransit would be the best bet. A while back they tried out the "Atlantic City Express Service" (ACES) where there would be a direct train from NYP and NWK to Atlantic City. For that service, NJTransit acquired four hand-me-down P40's from Amtrak and the casino owners pitched in for eight specially modified MLV cars. Since then, that service has gone belly up, and those locomotives and/or cars have been either damaged or pressed into everyday service on NJT. The four P40's and eight MLV's would be perfect for the LIRR since they would positively fit every dimension in NYP, and very possibly on the whole railroad. But with NJTransit's shaky recovery after Hurricane Sandy, I can't quite see them floating some cars over to the LIRR without having their full fleet restored in the first place. Once you go outside the New York Metro things get dicey. Other railroads might have surplus equipment, but if they can't work with the LIRR's pretty tight clearances and requirements, they won't be too good. And while some out of the ordinary stock might be fine for the lowly Greenport Branch, where there are hardly any overpasses and all of them leave plenty of room, keep in mind that that equipment will have to touch the rest of the LIRR system at some point to get fueled and repaired. Bottom line, I like what I'm seeing from the LIRR, their diesel fleet is far too small and it needs more cars and more locomotives, especially in the summer. What they're doing is a smart move as any new equipment purchases (yes, even DMU's) are still years away from hitting the rails. However, due to the unique characteristics of the LIRR, I wouldn't hold your breath for the LIRR to get too many e-mails back about this. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sat Oct 5 00:01:43 2013, in response to LIRR Looking to Supplement Current Diesel Fleet, posted by lirr42 on Fri Oct 4 22:27:00 2013. "Group A: Up to five consist that contain two locomotives and seating for 420 passengers eachDoes NJ Transit still have their Comet IIIs? This could be a good second life for them... SEPTA has also mothballed their Comet I set and is strapped for cash, they might be willing to lease it out. Group B: Up to two consist that contain two locomotives and seating for 280 passengers each" This could theoretically be satisfied by their original C1s, which are currently scattered around the country. Though MARC and MBTA would work as well as long as there was no expectation for these cars to enter Penn Station. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Oct 5 00:55:08 2013, in response to Re: LIRR Looking to Supplement Current Diesel Fleet, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sat Oct 5 00:01:43 2013. Does NJ Transit still have their Comet IIIs?I never heard of them going anywhere. |
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Re: LIRR Looking to Supplement Current Diesel Fleet |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Oct 5 01:02:48 2013, in response to LIRR Looking to Supplement Current Diesel Fleet, posted by lirr42 on Fri Oct 4 22:27:00 2013. NJT has Comet III's and GP40's to spare. Seems like a marriage made in heaven. CDOT also has GP40's it's not currently in need of. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Oct 5 01:03:36 2013, in response to Re: LIRR Looking to Supplement Current Diesel Fleet, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Oct 5 00:55:08 2013. IIRC, the ones not used in the ALP45DP testing are still in Bay Head, collecting dirt. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Oct 5 01:07:53 2013, in response to Re: LIRR Looking to Supplement Current Diesel Fleet, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Oct 5 01:02:48 2013. Not to mention that these are HEP-generating Geeps. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Oct 5 01:14:19 2013, in response to Re: LIRR Looking to Supplement Current Diesel Fleet, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Oct 5 01:07:53 2013. The only issue I see is clearance problems with the Geeps thru Jamaica. And maybe the need for the Comet III's to be fixed up before they are roadworthy. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Oct 5 01:57:25 2013, in response to Re: LIRR Looking to Supplement Current Diesel Fleet, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Oct 5 01:14:19 2013. What was the difference with the GP38s? |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Oct 5 02:03:18 2013, in response to Re: LIRR Looking to Supplement Current Diesel Fleet, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Oct 5 01:57:25 2013. They didn't quite fit the station roofs. LIRR's Geeps had to have a little roof surgery in order not to knock them down. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Oct 5 07:43:53 2013, in response to Re: LIRR Looking to Supplement Current Diesel Fleet, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Oct 5 01:03:36 2013. Some in MMC, some in Bay Head, some of both groups Sandy-damaged and not fixed. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Oct 5 07:49:18 2013, in response to Re: LIRR Looking to Supplement Current Diesel Fleet, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Oct 5 02:03:18 2013. The little roof surgery on the GP38 eventually make a permanent retrofit in the EMD catalog.Do the new, replica canopies at Jamaica have the exact same clearance issue as the old ones.? Does this while thing replace the DMU concept for supplemental East End shuttles ? MARC Sumitomo cars will be freeing up soon as they get NJT-style MLV's. MBTA will be getting rid of some cars as they get more bi-levels, which are a cross between a Comet-I (built by P-S) and a Comet-II (have traps). |
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Re: LIRR Looking to Supplement Current Diesel Fleet |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Oct 5 14:01:20 2013, in response to Re: LIRR Looking to Supplement Current Diesel Fleet, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Oct 5 02:03:18 2013. Gotcha. Then maybe the PL42AC if they still run OK; NJT certainly has a diesel surplus once they get all of their "dual power" ALP-45DPs (and too bad if the ALP-45DPs still are the thirstiest diesels on the road). The Prima/EMD locos are only a couple of inches taller than the DM/DE30AC fleet, if that. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Oct 5 16:17:18 2013, in response to Re: LIRR Looking to Supplement Current Diesel Fleet, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Oct 5 14:01:20 2013. No. Would have to be a GP40 of some sort from somewhere.They also just bought the PL42's, and they still have plenty of EMD's. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Oct 5 16:43:11 2013, in response to Re: LIRR Looking to Supplement Current Diesel Fleet, posted by Joe V on Sat Oct 5 16:17:18 2013. The oldest PL42ACs are ten years old now. Can you believe that? That's getting close to retirement age on NJT (remember the newest ALP-44s were 16 years old and they got retired). |
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Posted by Avid Reader on Sun Oct 6 15:20:15 2013, in response to Re: LIRR Looking to Supplement Current Diesel Fleet, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Oct 5 16:43:11 2013. Are the NJT ALP45DP's is service or waiting for a tunnel to be dug?Are the shaking out any bugs? Can they work with NJT Multilevels? Are they any better then the LIRR DM30's for power, reliability and fuel consumption? The DM/DE 30's are limited to only the LIRR C-3 Multilevels. Are the ALP45DP's limited in any way to the type of passenger cars they can operate with? I like this thread!!! |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Oct 6 17:09:06 2013, in response to Re: LIRR Looking to Supplement Current Diesel Fleet, posted by Avid Reader on Sun Oct 6 15:20:15 2013. Are the NJT ALP45DP's is service or waiting for a tunnel to be dug?Are the shaking out any bugs? Can they work with NJT Multilevels? They are apparently in service, but running out of Hoboken. Whatever bugs they have are being shaken out. They were designed to work with MLVs. Are they any better then the LIRR DM30's for power, reliability and fuel consumption? They run on overhead wires instead of third rail; so far, their reliability out on the road is still being observed. Power-wise, they have over a thousand more horses in diesel mode than the DM30ACs, but they also have double the number of cylinders. They are apparently NJT's thirstiest hogs while in diesel mode. They can run with all Comets and MLVs. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun Oct 6 17:13:24 2013, in response to Re: LIRR Looking to Supplement Current Diesel Fleet, posted by Avid Reader on Sun Oct 6 15:20:15 2013. Most ALP45DP's were damaged by Sandy. Only 11 are running - only to Hoboken. They can't handle more than 8 MLV's in E-mode, which makes them rather useless for certain trains.Nothing in the world will work with C-3's other than Super Steals. |
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Re: LIRR Looking to Supplement Current Diesel Fleet |
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Posted by Avid Reader on Mon Oct 7 10:32:13 2013, in response to Re: LIRR Looking to Supplement Current Diesel Fleet, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Oct 6 17:09:06 2013. They are apparently in service, but running out of Hoboken. Whatever bugs they have are being shaken out. They were designed to work with MLVs and Comets. Use with Comets may be the least expensive because of car weight(fuel consumption) and rental (old cars sitting idle). With 11 NJT currently in service that would leave 24 of the entire order out of service. How many of the total order have been delivered? How many still need Sandy related repair or servicing? If they still require observation while in service, hey, observe them on Oyster Bay, Port Jeff or Patchogue lines. The pants would be needed in in and out of NYPenn. They run on overhead wires instead of third rail; so far, their reliability out on the road is still being observed. Power-wise, they have over a thousand more horses in diesel mode than the DM30ACs, but they also have double the number of cylinders. They are apparently NJT's thirstiest hogs while in diesel mode. They can run with all Comets and MLVs. From Wikipedia In 2008 New Jersey Transit placed an €178 million order for 26 electro-diesel locomotives from Bombardier, part of capital investment program including acquisition of 329 Bombardier Multi Level Coaches, 27 ALP-46A electric locomotives, dual power multiple units and over 1300 buses. Funding for an additional ten units ($78.8 million) was approved in July 2010, as part of NJ Transit's 2011 capital budget. The order has since been lowered by one for a total of 35 locomotives. The locomotives are expected to be used on the Raritan Valley Line, (changing to electric power on the Northeast Corridor Line), and the North Jersey Coast Line. Use on the 'Trans-Hudson Tunnel' (see ARC Tunnel) was also planned, prior to the cancelling of the scheme.[ The units are currently being used on the Morristown Line, and the Montclair-Boonton Line. They are numbered 4500 upwards. The first locomotive was officially unveiled at Newark Penn Station on May 11, 2011. Unit 4506 was the first to enter revenue service on Montclair-Boonton Line train 1006 on May 30, 2012. Agence métropolitaine de transport[edit] In 2008 Montreal's Agence métropolitaine de transport (AMT) ordered 20 locomotives (with an option for 10 more), the order value was €152 million. The locomotives are for use on the Mascouche Line (AMT) to Montreal Central Station via the 25 kV AC electrified Mount Royal Tunnel.[1] They are to be numbered 1350-1369. AMT 1350 arrived in Montreal on June 9, 2011, after being shipped to Newark and then moving north to its new home. |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Oct 7 11:25:19 2013, in response to Re: LIRR Looking to Supplement Current Diesel Fleet, posted by Avid Reader on Mon Oct 7 10:32:13 2013. Other than the 11 in service, the rest were damaged, and BBD still had title to them. |
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Posted by Avid Reader on Mon Oct 7 16:24:50 2013, in response to Re: LIRR Looking to Supplement Current Diesel Fleet, posted by Joe V on Mon Oct 7 11:25:19 2013. Well I guess that puts them on hold for a while. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Oct 7 18:52:26 2013, in response to LIRR Looking to Supplement Current Diesel Fleet, posted by lirr42 on Fri Oct 4 22:27:00 2013. though there's not an inch of anything close to 80 m.p.h. territory east of Ronkonkoma and for the vast majority of the Oyster Bay branchTrue, but they could on the Montauk Branch, as well as Montauk trains when they travel down the Babylon branch. |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Oct 7 19:57:38 2013, in response to Re: LIRR Looking to Supplement Current Diesel Fleet, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Oct 7 18:52:26 2013. They need to go 80MPH to get to the Oyster Bay Branch from Jamaica or HPA |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Mon Oct 7 20:10:40 2013, in response to Re: LIRR Looking to Supplement Current Diesel Fleet, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Oct 5 01:57:25 2013. height, and ponies |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Mon Oct 7 20:10:44 2013, in response to Re: LIRR Looking to Supplement Current Diesel Fleet, posted by Avid Reader on Mon Oct 7 10:32:13 2013. On weekends I see at least one ALP45DP on the Main Line... I'm sure it gets around to the BCL too. 4511 I think... |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Mon Oct 7 20:15:27 2013, in response to Re: LIRR Looking to Supplement Current Diesel Fleet, posted by Joe V on Sun Oct 6 17:13:24 2013. Hypothetical but how hard would it be to convert C3s to run with normal engines... I'm thinking when the LIRR retires them there might be a market for tourist RRs (big windows and 2x2 seating) like the C1s.... |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Oct 7 20:35:02 2013, in response to Re: LIRR Looking to Supplement Current Diesel Fleet, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Mon Oct 7 20:15:27 2013. MU cables cables would have to go from 32 to 27 pin. I don't know what they 5 extra pins are for.There may be other things, like brakes, door-interlocks, conductor signal, I don't know. |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Mon Oct 7 20:43:04 2013, in response to Re: LIRR Looking to Supplement Current Diesel Fleet, posted by Joe V on Mon Oct 7 20:35:02 2013. Joe you hardly know what first 27 are for... |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Oct 8 02:23:27 2013, in response to Re: LIRR Looking to Supplement Current Diesel Fleet, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Mon Oct 7 20:15:27 2013. That'd be kinda hard; most tourist railroads have low platforms. |
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Posted by Joe V on Tue Oct 8 08:22:17 2013, in response to Re: LIRR Looking to Supplement Current Diesel Fleet, posted by Dutchrailnut on Mon Oct 7 20:43:04 2013. Yeh so ? I know there is a difference, and therefore an incompatibilitySo stop talking down to me like a railfan snob. I see you didn't provide any answers. |
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Posted by Avid Reader on Tue Oct 8 09:54:32 2013, in response to Re: LIRR Looking to Supplement Current Diesel Fleet, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Oct 8 02:23:27 2013. And where have the C-1's gone to? |
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Posted by Avid Reader on Tue Oct 8 10:19:05 2013, in response to Re: LIRR Looking to Supplement Current Diesel Fleet, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Oct 8 02:23:27 2013. And where have the C-1's gone to?Photo of an ex-LIRR C1 on the Saratoga & North Creek Rail Road (Photo credit: Railroad.net user DaveBarraza)   ex-LIRR C1's seen here on the Rio Grande Senic Railroad (Photo credit: Railroad.net user DaveBarraza) 
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Posted by Joe V on Tue Oct 8 10:22:23 2013, in response to Re: LIRR Looking to Supplement Current Diesel Fleet, posted by Avid Reader on Tue Oct 8 09:54:32 2013. All of those have the same common owner on 2 or 3 tourist railroads.Most outfits are shoe-string operations that don't want to be bothered with high-level platforms. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Oct 8 13:09:32 2013, in response to Re: LIRR Looking to Supplement Current Diesel Fleet, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Oct 5 14:01:20 2013. NJT isn't going to lease out it's newer fleet. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Oct 8 13:14:47 2013, in response to Re: LIRR Looking to Supplement Current Diesel Fleet, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Oct 8 13:09:32 2013. No, that's for sure. The PL42AC certainly doesn't fit the category of "newest". |
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Posted by Joe V on Tue Oct 8 13:32:28 2013, in response to Re: LIRR Looking to Supplement Current Diesel Fleet, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Oct 8 13:14:47 2013. They still older EMD's around. The 4 Genesis are also spare parts oddities.They are theoretically replacing 70 Arrows with the latest tranche of 100 MLV's. Lease 30 or so Comets to the LIRR makes it come out about even. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Oct 8 13:50:06 2013, in response to Re: LIRR Looking to Supplement Current Diesel Fleet, posted by Joe V on Tue Oct 8 13:32:28 2013. I don't think the F40PH-2CATs would be a good fit for the LIRR. And if LIRR was interested in the Genesis at all, they'd have P32AC-DMs instead of DM30ACs (dunno just who makes the decisions there). |
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Posted by Joe V on Tue Oct 8 13:59:51 2013, in response to Re: LIRR Looking to Supplement Current Diesel Fleet, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Oct 8 13:50:06 2013. Prendergast made the Super Steel decision, a combo of LIRR's love affair with EMD because the GP38 and MP15 were great engines, and Pataki political corruption. GE's are also known to be slow "loaders".Amtrak engineers on the west coast prefer an F59 to a Gennie due to acceleration, even though the F59 is not otherwise a great engine, and don't MU well with a GE. When they deadhead an F59 between the west coast and Beech Grove, someone has to ride it with it to monitor for axle lock up when in trailing position. Something about MU connection with the GE does not communicate well. An F40 would not fit. It would have to be a GP40 and possibly cut some notches in the long hood to clear Jamaica. |
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Posted by R32_3672 on Tue Oct 8 14:24:33 2013, in response to Re: LIRR Looking to Supplement Current Diesel Fleet, posted by Joe V on Tue Oct 8 13:59:51 2013. cant LIRR use a ALP-45DP? |
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Posted by Joe V on Tue Oct 8 14:33:09 2013, in response to Re: LIRR Looking to Supplement Current Diesel Fleet, posted by R32_3672 on Tue Oct 8 14:24:33 2013. Not with C3's.With other cars, yes, but not as dual-modes. They need to stop for 90 seconds - 2 minutes when cutting over D to E or E to D mode, and there is no way anyone at Amtrak or LIRR would allow that scenario at Harold. Then the cab signals, ASC, and pulse codes have to be adjusted for LIRR aspects, an expensive item, but that would be with any engine the lease. You know what it would take to have an M-3A run on LIRR ? Same concept. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Oct 8 14:49:17 2013, in response to Re: LIRR Looking to Supplement Current Diesel Fleet, posted by Joe V on Tue Oct 8 13:59:51 2013. Isn't the F59PH's acceleration due to lower gearing, especially the GO Transit ones? |
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Posted by Joe V on Tue Oct 8 14:49:57 2013, in response to Re: LIRR Looking to Supplement Current Diesel Fleet, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Oct 8 14:49:17 2013. I have no idea. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Oct 8 15:23:16 2013, in response to Re: LIRR Looking to Supplement Current Diesel Fleet, posted by Joe V on Tue Oct 8 14:49:57 2013. MAS of the GO Transit F59PHs is about 83 mph (134 km/h). They would pull ten-car trains with one locomotive. |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Tue Oct 8 20:09:47 2013, in response to Re: LIRR Looking to Supplement Current Diesel Fleet, posted by Joe V on Tue Oct 8 13:59:51 2013. F40won't fitF59 won't fit GP40 won't fit a GP38 had way less clearance and had to be modified. |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Tue Oct 8 20:10:32 2013, in response to Re: LIRR Looking to Supplement Current Diesel Fleet, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Oct 8 13:14:47 2013. PL42AC won't fit on LIRR |
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Posted by WillD on Tue Oct 8 20:13:13 2013, in response to Re: LIRR Looking to Supplement Current Diesel Fleet, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Oct 8 14:49:17 2013. Amtrak's F59PHIs, which are the units Joe mentioned, are geared for 110mph. |
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Posted by Joe V on Tue Oct 8 20:33:40 2013, in response to Re: LIRR Looking to Supplement Current Diesel Fleet, posted by Dutchrailnut on Tue Oct 8 20:09:47 2013. How much taller is a GP40 than a GP38 ?When Jamaica canopies got replaced, did they replicate the old clearances ? |
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Posted by Joe V on Tue Oct 8 20:35:22 2013, in response to Re: LIRR Looking to Supplement Current Diesel Fleet, posted by Dutchrailnut on Tue Oct 8 20:10:32 2013. The are taller than Super Steels ? |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Oct 8 21:15:02 2013, in response to Re: LIRR Looking to Supplement Current Diesel Fleet, posted by Joe V on Tue Oct 8 20:35:22 2013. They're only taller in the center. (Wikipedia now lists their height as 15' 5", but they still don't appear much taller than NJT's MLVs; see video below.)FWICS, it was only the filter boxes of the Geeps that were altered, and only for Jamaica station. |
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Posted by RockParkMan on Tue Oct 8 22:33:20 2013, in response to Re: LIRR Looking to Supplement Current Diesel Fleet, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Oct 8 21:15:02 2013. I wonder if the beveling of the air filter housing necessitated special filter elements??? |
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Posted by chud1 on Wed Oct 9 03:35:41 2013, in response to Re: LIRR Looking to Supplement Current Diesel Fleet, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Oct 8 21:15:02 2013. 5 drooling stars out of 5 drooling stars on these video's.chud1. :).... |
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