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Posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Fri Aug 2 10:56:16 2013 It was spectulated about for years...2012 was to have been the end for sure...but an edict to reduce crowding delayed it another year...added to that came two suspensions of new car deliveries form Bombardier. Mark your calendars, July 31, 2013 it DID happen, the CTA Budd-built 2200 series of railcars spent their last day in scheduled revenue rail service.Built and entering service in 1969-1970, the cars served a 43 year plus service life, matched only by the trolley equipped 4000s which were needed on the Evanston route until that route converted from trolley wire to third rail in the 70s. Originally a 150 car order that opened two expressway median routes in Chicago, the Dan Ryan (West-South) route and the Kennedy (West-Northwest) route, the fleet diminished to 144 over the years with fires and crashes. On the final July date, ten cars were operational out of Rosemont Yard on the Blue line. Besides the stainless steel corrugated body style, the cars were unique for having the last "blinker doors", a Chicago heavy rail exclusive. In later years to accomodate ADA riders, the cars were paired with 2600 series cars that had sliding doors. In eight car trains the 2200s always were in the belly position, but on the weekends when four car trains were run, a 2200 paired could be found in the lead position. In 2012, the Red line (Howard-Dan Ryan) began receiving new 5000 series AC cars and its displaced 2600 Budd cars were transferred to the Blue line to finally send the 2200s into retirement. At an undisclosed date, 2200s no longer were used on four car trains over the weekends, leading up to the quiet departure completely on July 31, when the two Blue line yards had enough 2600 series cars to handle all weekday assignments. The end had occurred. Sources state that a commemorative train of eight cars will be operated on Thursday, August 8. The train will run as an extra in between two regularly scheduled trains. The CTA to date has not made an official announcement. Here are some photos in the later years I've taken. A pair of 2200s are outfitted as a switchmen/operators' trainroom in the 61st St yard to serve Green line operators. The 61st St yard was reactivated during the five month shutdown of the Ryan Red line with Red line trains rerouted to the Green line tracks to Ashland/63  A four car charter for IRM is shown on the 63rd St. branch of the Green line on a cold winter-type day.  This shot of an IRM Snowflake charter at Midway catches the flash from the last trolley shoe as the charter makes a move to the yard.  A photoline at the Clinton station on the Green line catches the Snowflake chartert at a place where the 2200s actually ran in service when the cars were assigned to the West-South (Lake-Dan Ryan).  CTA trains have featured unpainted stainless steel for decades. On the far track at Midway terminal is a 3200 series revenue train of the Orange line waiting for the starting bell while our 2200 charter sits on the lay-up track.  A NB Blue line train has its 2200s in the belly position as the train leaves the Medical District station and passes beneath the Pink line.  A shot of the 2200s filling both "belly" positions on the elevated alongside Milwaukee Ave. This structure is original Metropolitan West Side Elevated from 1895.  The same shot taken from Western-Milwaukee with a tele lens with the downtown background.  David Harrison |
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Posted by NorthShore on Fri Aug 2 11:07:43 2013, in response to July Closed A Chicago CTA Era, posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Fri Aug 2 10:56:16 2013. They are the R-32's of Chicago.Great photos. |
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Posted by Snarf368 on Fri Aug 2 11:39:22 2013, in response to July Closed A Chicago CTA Era, posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Fri Aug 2 10:56:16 2013. Awesome pics, sorry to hear those 2200s are gone. At least IRM got a pair. |
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Posted by FYBklyn1959 on Fri Aug 2 11:52:18 2013, in response to July Closed A Chicago CTA Era, posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Fri Aug 2 10:56:16 2013. Lucky for me, my one and only ride on CTA was on a 2200, from O'Hare to Rosemont (then called River Road) in June 1995. |
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Posted by Jersey Mike on Fri Aug 2 12:07:22 2013, in response to July Closed A Chicago CTA Era, posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Fri Aug 2 10:56:16 2013. Thanks for the info. Was in Chicago in June, but I didn't think I could find any 2200's running about. Caught some in 2012 however. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Fri Aug 2 13:37:55 2013, in response to July Closed A Chicago CTA Era, posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Fri Aug 2 10:56:16 2013. Thanks, David, nice work. Pleasant memories of 61st. |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Fri Aug 2 15:08:24 2013, in response to July Closed A Chicago CTA Era, posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Fri Aug 2 10:56:16 2013. Very informative. And good-looking cars to boot... |
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Posted by chud1 on Fri Aug 2 15:26:23 2013, in response to July Closed A Chicago CTA Era, posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Fri Aug 2 10:56:16 2013. 5 drooling stars out of 5 drooling stars on these pictures and narration.chud1. :).... |
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Posted by Nilet on Fri Aug 2 15:39:12 2013, in response to July Closed A Chicago CTA Era, posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Fri Aug 2 10:56:16 2013. Aww. :(Luckily, I had occasion to ride them last summer, and a few summers before that. |
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Posted by JBar387 on Fri Aug 2 15:42:47 2013, in response to July Closed A Chicago CTA Era, posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Fri Aug 2 10:56:16 2013. I got a chance to get a few pics on the loop in my last visit to the Windy City in 2007.     Keep Clicking! J. Barnes |
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Posted by JBar387 on Fri Aug 2 15:46:25 2013, in response to July Closed A Chicago CTA Era, posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Fri Aug 2 10:56:16 2013. Great pics too! =) |
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Posted by Alan Follett on Fri Aug 2 15:55:56 2013, in response to July Closed A Chicago CTA Era, posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Fri Aug 2 10:56:16 2013. I find it hard to wrap my head around the idea that the 2200's have reached retirement; it seems like only yesterday that I rode them as brand-new cars on the opening day of the Dan Ryan line, in September 1969.Alan Follett Hercules, CA |
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Posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Fri Aug 2 16:26:45 2013, in response to Re: July Closed A Chicago CTA Era, posted by Alan Follett on Fri Aug 2 15:55:56 2013. I can identify, NY style - when the Slants were brand new in 1968, then came June 12, 2009, and now they sleep with the fishes.wayne |
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Posted by Joe V on Fri Aug 2 17:07:56 2013, in response to July Closed A Chicago CTA Era, posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Fri Aug 2 10:56:16 2013. You have my condolences.But today, I traveled to NYC to ride the TA's version, the R32, and on the J no less, back on the BMT where they belong !. I had so much fun. |
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Posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Fri Aug 2 17:16:27 2013, in response to Re: July Closed A Chicago CTA Era, posted by NorthShore on Fri Aug 2 11:07:43 2013. Thanks. No one expected these cars to last 43 years when they were first introduced.DH |
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Posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Fri Aug 2 17:17:58 2013, in response to Re: July Closed A Chicago CTA Era, posted by Snarf368 on Fri Aug 2 11:39:22 2013. Now we will have to await the decision whether to mount trolley poles for operataion at IRM. The Pullman 2000 duece at IRM was converted.DH |
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Posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Fri Aug 2 17:19:37 2013, in response to Re: July Closed A Chicago CTA Era, posted by Jersey Mike on Fri Aug 2 12:07:22 2013. I had hoped they would have used a weekly calendar, but they went by the month and I missed riding in service on Thursday, August 1.DH |
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Posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Fri Aug 2 17:20:10 2013, in response to Re: July Closed A Chicago CTA Era, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Fri Aug 2 13:37:55 2013. You're welcome sir.DH |
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Posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Fri Aug 2 17:21:13 2013, in response to Re: July Closed A Chicago CTA Era, posted by MainR3664 on Fri Aug 2 15:08:24 2013. So the last two cars left will be the two serving as crew quarters at 61st St. yard.DH |
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Posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Fri Aug 2 17:21:43 2013, in response to Re: July Closed A Chicago CTA Era, posted by chud1 on Fri Aug 2 15:26:23 2013. I've got a mop in hand, LOL. Thanks.DH |
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Posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Fri Aug 2 17:24:05 2013, in response to Re: July Closed A Chicago CTA Era, posted by JBar387 on Fri Aug 2 15:46:25 2013. Thank you sir. Your pics were a good reminder of that first era of Pink line service.DH |
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Posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Fri Aug 2 17:25:45 2013, in response to Re: July Closed A Chicago CTA Era, posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Fri Aug 2 16:26:45 2013. No CTA car has met that fate yet. The scrapping agreement details that no piece identifiable should remain.DH |
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Posted by chud1 on Fri Aug 2 17:56:11 2013, in response to Re: July Closed A Chicago CTA Era, posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Fri Aug 2 17:21:43 2013. ur welcome. i keep some bounty towels handy here at my place, LOL.chud1. :).... |
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Posted by NorthShore on Fri Aug 2 18:27:22 2013, in response to July Closed A Chicago CTA Era, posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Fri Aug 2 10:56:16 2013. These cars are probably what the NYC R-39's would have looked like if Budd had built them for the Myrtle Ave. Line. |
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Posted by Joe V on Fri Aug 2 19:11:01 2013, in response to Re: July Closed A Chicago CTA Era, posted by NorthShore on Fri Aug 2 18:27:22 2013. Never thought of it that wayThe R39 would not have had AC, and probably no dynamic braking. |
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Posted by Far Rockaway A Train on Fri Aug 2 19:26:29 2013, in response to Re: July Closed A Chicago CTA Era, posted by NorthShore on Fri Aug 2 18:27:22 2013. From what I heard, the R39s were basically R38s built to IRT specs. |
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Posted by aaron on Fri Aug 2 19:51:07 2013, in response to July Closed A Chicago CTA Era, posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Fri Aug 2 10:56:16 2013. Possibly the last cars made at the Budd plant on Red Lion Road in N.E. Philly? |
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Posted by Joe V on Fri Aug 2 20:06:53 2013, in response to Re: July Closed A Chicago CTA Era, posted by Far Rockaway A Train on Fri Aug 2 19:26:29 2013. I think I have seen drawings of them. The roof ventilation system would have been much more primitive |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Aug 2 20:21:48 2013, in response to Re: July Closed A Chicago CTA Era, posted by Joe V on Fri Aug 2 20:06:53 2013. Here ya go ...http://www.google.com/patents?id=EiRwAAAAEBAJ&pg=PA1&source=gbs_selected_pages&cad=2#v=onepage&q&f=false |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Aug 2 21:10:39 2013, in response to Re: July Closed A Chicago CTA Era, posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Fri Aug 2 16:26:45 2013. I remember when the slants were new, too. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Aug 2 21:11:02 2013, in response to July Closed A Chicago CTA Era, posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Fri Aug 2 10:56:16 2013. Will any of them wind up at IRM? |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Aug 2 21:11:56 2013, in response to Re: July Closed A Chicago CTA Era, posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Aug 2 20:21:48 2013. Looks almost like an R-39... |
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Posted by Joe V on Fri Aug 2 21:13:39 2013, in response to Re: July Closed A Chicago CTA Era, posted by aaron on Fri Aug 2 19:51:07 2013. No way. MTA M-3's came from Red Lion as did the CTA 2600's, which were the last. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Aug 2 21:16:33 2013, in response to Re: July Closed A Chicago CTA Era, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Aug 2 21:11:56 2013. Sure does ... Budd never designed anything for the IRT except for this ventilation drawing which just happens to be ... :) |
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Posted by Joe V on Fri Aug 2 21:17:12 2013, in response to Re: July Closed A Chicago CTA Era, posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Fri Aug 2 17:25:45 2013. They should try to sell parts, like roll signs and marker lights, like the TA does |
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Posted by Joe V on Fri Aug 2 21:20:40 2013, in response to July Closed A Chicago CTA Era, posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Fri Aug 2 10:56:16 2013. What will they do wit the 61st Street pair after the Red Line rehab is done ? |
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Posted by renee gil on Fri Aug 2 21:21:21 2013, in response to July Closed A Chicago CTA Era, posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Fri Aug 2 10:56:16 2013. my second favorite CTA Rolling Stock after the 6000 Series.thanks for the pics. |
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Posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Fri Aug 2 22:05:25 2013, in response to Re: July Closed A Chicago CTA Era, posted by Joe V on Fri Aug 2 21:13:39 2013. Correct....CTA 2600 series cars 3199 and 3200, the last in the series were the last two cars manufactured at Red Lion. Those two cars were on this years IRM Snowflake Special which included two cars from each of the four DC powered railcars the CTA operates.DH |
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Posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Fri Aug 2 22:08:31 2013, in response to Re: July Closed A Chicago CTA Era, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Aug 2 21:11:02 2013. IRM has there pair of cars and they're already on property in Union, IL. 2243-2244.DH |
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Posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Fri Aug 2 22:12:59 2013, in response to Re: July Closed A Chicago CTA Era, posted by Joe V on Fri Aug 2 21:20:40 2013. The windows in the north car are blacked out. There are tables, etc in the south car. Two of the big side windows are covered with plexiglass with large holes for electrical wiring going into the car. The cars have their trucks and the trolley shoes are tied up. I would presume they'll be towed to Skokie for scrapping, but they could still be capable of self powered movement. Someone turned the headlights on weeks ago. The batteries stay charged probably because they're on a live track or maybe the outside wiring is charging the battery circuit.DH |
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Posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Fri Aug 2 22:14:23 2013, in response to Re: July Closed A Chicago CTA Era, posted by renee gil on Fri Aug 2 21:21:21 2013. You're welcome. And to think, the 6000s SEPTA used on the Norristown line are still around...rusting away in the Pennsylvania woods.DH |
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Posted by renee gil on Fri Aug 2 22:16:09 2013, in response to Re: July Closed A Chicago CTA Era, posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Fri Aug 2 22:14:23 2013. rusting away in the Pennsylvania woods.very sad |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Aug 3 00:42:45 2013, in response to Re: July Closed A Chicago CTA Era, posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Fri Aug 2 22:08:31 2013. Wonnaful, wonnaful, wonnaful. I'll bet they'll run them with the pair of 2000s eventually. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Aug 3 00:45:36 2013, in response to Re: July Closed A Chicago CTA Era, posted by renee gil on Fri Aug 2 21:21:21 2013. I was a fan of the 4000s, although I never rode on them in Chicago - only at IRM. The only line I ever saw them on was the Evanston Express, which is why I associate the 4000s with the route. I remember asking my aunt once if we could ride on that train and she replied, "It doesn't stop anywhere." Well, back then it ran nonstop from Howard all the way to Merchandise Mart. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Aug 3 08:10:37 2013, in response to Re: July Closed A Chicago CTA Era, posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Fri Aug 2 22:05:25 2013. Rather uninspiring end to the Budd company , after all they did with Dome cars, etc, just a couple of subway cars. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Aug 3 08:11:59 2013, in response to Re: July Closed A Chicago CTA Era, posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Fri Aug 2 22:12:59 2013. The should join the pair of Green 2000's as their on-site historic fleet |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Sat Aug 3 09:00:42 2013, in response to July Closed A Chicago CTA Era, posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Fri Aug 2 10:56:16 2013. Anything about a commenmorative last run? Seeing as you are more connected than me. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Aug 3 11:31:00 2013, in response to Re: July Closed A Chicago CTA Era, posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Fri Aug 2 17:16:27 2013. When does regular scrapping of the 2400's begin ?I suppose neither IRM nor anyone else will want any ? |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sat Aug 3 14:14:40 2013, in response to Re: July Closed A Chicago CTA Era, posted by Joe V on Sat Aug 3 08:10:37 2013. much as Pullman's last gasp was the Superliners--not very pleasant copies of the Budd Santa Fe high levels. Hard for anyone in the railcar biz to survive on sporadic orders. |
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Posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Sat Aug 3 14:21:58 2013, in response to Re: July Closed A Chicago CTA Era, posted by Joe V on Sat Aug 3 08:11:59 2013. Sorry, but besides the two Cincinnati cars 4271-4272, the CTA has NO Historic Fleet. By "the pair of green 2000s", I think you mean 1892-1992 stored outside at Skokie, those two cars were sold by the CTA in the PCC car scrap sale of 1997-1998. The CTA also disposed of 6719 and 6720 in that same sale. IRM won the two cars in auction for $700 apiece, but at the time said they only were interested in them for parts....the two cars have been altered far from their original appearance and were of no use for a museum. IRM deferred the sale however in favor of a state of Illinois sponsored effort to establish a park and museum in the Pullman area on the south side of Chicago. The park never happened and in 2013, 16 years later, IRM took possession. Meanwhile the cars sat all that time. What is IRM's purpose with the cars today, I don't know. DH |
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