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Re: July Closed A Chicago CTA Era |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Aug 5 14:51:43 2013, in response to Re: July Closed A Chicago CTA Era, posted by NorthShore on Mon Aug 5 14:28:47 2013. Budd didn't build the R-36s, St Louis built them. Budd built the R-32s! |
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Re: July Closed A Chicago CTA Era |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Aug 5 15:18:28 2013, in response to Re: July Closed A Chicago CTA Era, posted by Joe V on Sun Aug 4 21:13:11 2013. The original order of 6000s came in with the twin headlights and the roll sign on the top although the very last group (I'm not sure of which ones) had the single headlight on the top and the roll sign at the top of the off side window which is the way the second group of cars built with selected PCC streetcar parts were. There are subtle differences between the original 6000s with single headlights and later cars. The older cars had the headlights internally mounted while the Green hornets had them externally mounted. Eventually most of the 6000 series cars had the roll sign panel blanked over and Green Hornet style headlights installed at the top and the roll sign moved to the off side window to give the cars a more consistent look. Also the first group of 6000s had straight side doors which didn't match the curvature of the car body while the Green Hornet cars' doors curved to match the contour of the cars. There also seems to be controversy over how much Green Hornet streetcar went into the production of the rapid transit cars. Although the Chicago experts on this forum may be able to provide greater details, the way I understand it it was only window fixtures, stanchions and possibly seats from the Green Hornet streetcars that made their way into the new cars. The new cars were not Green hornet streetcars that had their ends removed and replaced by rapid transit car fronts as some in certain circle seem to think. |
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Re: July Closed A Chicago CTA Era |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Mon Aug 5 15:51:54 2013, in response to Re: July Closed A Chicago CTA Era, posted by Mark S. Feinman on Mon Aug 5 13:59:20 2013. Do you recall where?According to The Roster of Preserved North American Electric Railway Cars, 482-483 ex-6089-6090 are still at 69th Street Yard, 466-467 ex-6069-6070 are at Middletown & Hummelstown, and the rest (478-479 ex-6175-6176, 480-481 ex-6079-6080, 484-485 ex-6139-6040, 486-487 ex-6151-6152, 488-489 ex-6161-6162) are at Vintage Electric Streetcar Co., a PCC graveyard in Windber, PA. |
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Re: July Closed A Chicago CTA Era |
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Posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Mon Aug 5 16:56:19 2013, in response to Re: July Closed A Chicago CTA Era, posted by Mark S. Feinman on Mon Aug 5 14:03:20 2013. Thanks. We always strive to inform.David H. |
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Re:PCC 6000s Were Chicago's Ultimate "L" Car; was: July Closed A Chicago CTA Era |
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Posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Mon Aug 5 18:19:18 2013, in response to Re: July Closed A Chicago CTA Era, posted by randyo on Mon Aug 5 15:18:28 2013. The ultimate Chicago 'L' car featured traverse seats with individual windows, blinker doors at the quarter point, PCC techniques, lightweight design and no air brakes and was known as the 6000 series, plus 50 double-ended variants; all built by the St. Louis Car Company. The first 130 cars were ordered to open the Milwaukee-Lake-Dearborn subway in 1951 and featured the two headlights below the end windows. They were entirely built from new materials, but featured a trolley block and gravity pickup shoe similar to the 4000s from the 1930s. A follow-on order of 70 cars was almost identical. A sealed beam headlight had been developed and was used, mounted over the end door forcing the end rollsign to be moved to the left front window. Paint-wise, the green stripe at the standee window level was eliminated simplfying the color scheme. This would be the color scheme for all remaining PCC cars."There also seems to be controversy over how much Green Hornet streetcar went into the production of the rapid transit cars. Although the Chicago experts on this forum may be able to provide greater details, the way I understand it it was only window fixtures, stanchions and possibly seats from the Green Hornet streetcars that made their way into the new cars. The new cars were not Green hornet streetcars that had their ends removed and replaced by rapid transit car fronts as some in certain circle seem to think." That might be because two builders actually got a streetcar to "play with." Chicago PCC streetcars are noted for being wider the most other streetcars and partly this was accomplished by offsetting the truck kingpins, allowing the wider cars to pass each other on standard streetcar tracks, but virtually eliminating any possibility of using streetcar bodies for 'L' cars. Buff strength was another no 'L' car factor. Beginning with 6201, all PCC 6000 series cars were constructed with new body shells, just like the first two orders (6001-6200) but included parts salvaged from PCC streetcars including trucks, controls, windows, seats, lights. The Pullman built streetcars were salvaged as a fleet (6201-6510) and then the St. Louis built streetcars (6511-6720; 1-50). The original manufacturer change occurs with the adoption of a different kind of truck (6511) that included revision of the trolley block and gravity third rail shoe to the older design. By car 6511, enough track brake assemblies had been accumulated to equip the original first 200 6000s. David Harrison |
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Re: From Where Did The Term ''Blinker Doors'' Originate? (Re: July Closed A Chicago CTA Era) |
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Posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Mon Aug 5 18:27:10 2013, in response to From Where Did The Term "Blinker Doors" Originate? (Re: July Closed A Chicago CTA Era), posted by Mark S. Feinman on Mon Aug 5 14:04:11 2013. Becasue unlike the action of "folding doors" blinker doors open and close on two sides, simutaneously, like the lower and upper lids of the eye, hence like the action when one "blinks." Thus they were called "blinker doors.David H. |
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Re:PCC 6000s Were Chicago's Ultimate ''L'' Car; was: July Closed A Chicago CTA Era |
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Posted by renee gil on Mon Aug 5 18:28:10 2013, in response to Re:PCC 6000s Were Chicago's Ultimate "L" Car; was: July Closed A Chicago CTA Era, posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Mon Aug 5 18:19:18 2013. yup. i always thought the 6000 series as cta's signature cars. |
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Re:PCC 6000s Were Chicago's Ultimate ''L'' Car; was: July Closed A Chicago CTA Era |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Aug 5 19:17:58 2013, in response to Re:PCC 6000s Were Chicago's Ultimate "L" Car; was: July Closed A Chicago CTA Era, posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Mon Aug 5 18:19:18 2013. Thanks for the info. I wasn't sure where in the "original" order of cars the transition was made to the single above door headlight. Do you happen to know why the change was made? |
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Re:PCC 6000s Were Chicago's Ultimate ''L'' Car; was: July Closed A Chicago CTA Era |
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Posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Mon Aug 5 19:27:29 2013, in response to Re:PCC 6000s Were Chicago's Ultimate ''L'' Car; was: July Closed A Chicago CTA Era, posted by randyo on Mon Aug 5 19:17:58 2013. The focused, sealed beam hadn't been developed yet. The twin lights reportedly blinded oncoming motormen, especially if not dimmed.DH |
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Re: July Closed A Chicago CTA Era |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Mon Aug 5 19:34:19 2013, in response to July Closed A Chicago CTA Era, posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Fri Aug 2 10:56:16 2013. Hear anything on a final run? |
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Re:PCC 6000s Were Chicago's Ultimate ''L'' Car; was: July Closed A Chicago CTA Era |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Mon Aug 5 20:29:30 2013, in response to Re:PCC 6000s Were Chicago's Ultimate ''L'' Car; was: July Closed A Chicago CTA Era, posted by renee gil on Mon Aug 5 18:28:10 2013. best experienced either sitting in the railfan single seat or standing at the RFW--me at 11. |
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Re: July Closed A Chicago CTA Era |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Tue Aug 6 10:11:11 2013, in response to Re: July Closed A Chicago CTA Era, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Mon Aug 5 19:34:19 2013. I guess not. |
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Posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Tue Aug 6 12:20:13 2013, in response to Re: July Closed A Chicago CTA Era, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Tue Aug 6 10:11:11 2013. Wrong to guess not. O Hare 1100, Aug 08, 2013. It is a media event and not a railfan event.DH |
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Re: July Closed A Chicago CTA Era |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Tue Aug 6 12:42:35 2013, in response to Re: July Closed A Chicago CTA Era, posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Tue Aug 6 12:20:13 2013. But railfans are welcome? |
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Re: July Closed A Chicago CTA Era |
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Posted by Mark S. Feinman on Tue Aug 6 13:49:58 2013, in response to Re: July Closed A Chicago CTA Era, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Mon Aug 5 15:51:54 2013. Wow, thanks!--Mark |
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Re: July Closed A Chicago CTA Era |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Tue Aug 6 13:55:39 2013, in response to Re: July Closed A Chicago CTA Era, posted by Mark S. Feinman on Tue Aug 6 13:49:58 2013. Mark, did you receive my email? |
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Re: July Closed A Chicago CTA Era |
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Posted by Mark S. Feinman on Tue Aug 6 14:18:47 2013, in response to Re: July Closed A Chicago CTA Era, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Tue Aug 6 13:55:39 2013. Yes, responded.--mark |
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Official Word...Chicago CTA Era Ending |
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Posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Tue Aug 6 19:20:46 2013, in response to Re: July Closed A Chicago CTA Era, posted by Mark S. Feinman on Tue Aug 6 14:18:47 2013. http://www.transitchicago.com/news/default.aspx?Month=&Year=&Category=2&ArticleId=3194Join CTA in Saying ‘Goodbye, Old Friends’ to the 2200-Series Rail Cars 8/6/2013 Chicagoans invited to take part in ceremonial last ride on Thursday After more than 40 years of service to Chicago Transit Authority (CTA) customers, the CTA will celebrate the workhorses of the Blue Line – the 2200-series rail cars built in 1969-1970 – with a ceremonial last trip this Thursday, August 8. Most distinctive for their pivoting ”blinker” entry doors, the 2200s spent most of their service careers assigned to the Blue Line and have served hundreds of millions of people traveling between work, home, O’Hare International Airport and spots in between. The CTA’s oldest cars are being retired as CTA continues to upgrade its rail fleet as part of an aggressive modernization and infrastructure plan by Mayor Rahm Emanuel and CTA President Forrest Claypool. Customers and rail fans are welcome to join in on the CTA tradition of saying “Goodbye, Old Friends” as the last, eight-car consist of 2200-series rail cars makes its final trip along the Blue Line from O’Hare to Forest Park and back. Normal CTA fares apply. All eight rail cars will be decked out with their original exterior decals and will even feature interior advertising cards from the period when they first launched. Details of the event are as follows: Thursday, August 8, 2013 Short-Run (Non-Stop): Rosemont – Jefferson Park CTA will operate a ceremonial, short-run for those who wish to take part in the celebration, but cannot make the final full trip along the Blue Line. This train will depart from Rosemont and operate non-stop to Jefferson Park (just north of the station) before turning to make a non-stop trip back to Rosemont. Departure from Rosemont is 10:05 a.m. – no exceptions. NOTE: trains cannot be held or delayed, please plan accordingly and arrive early. Normal fares apply. Full Run (All Stops): O’Hare – Forest Park This will be the official last trip of the 2200-series rail cars on the Blue Line. The ceremonial train will depart from O’Hare and make all stops to and from Forest Park. Departure from O’Hare is 11:05 a.m. – no exceptions. CTA Train Tracker will indicate this trip as “(2200)”· NOTE: trains cannot be held or delayed, please plan accordingly and arrive early. Normal fares apply. # # # Back to News |
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Re: Official Word...Chicago CTA Era Ending |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Tue Aug 6 19:27:55 2013, in response to Official Word...Chicago CTA Era Ending, posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Tue Aug 6 19:20:46 2013. G-d willing, see you Thursday. |
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Re: Official Word...Chicago CTA Era Ending |
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Posted by snarf368 on Tue Aug 6 22:09:42 2013, in response to Re: Official Word...Chicago CTA Era Ending, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Tue Aug 6 19:27:55 2013. Hope you guys takes pics for those that can't make it |
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