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Posted by J Trainloco on Fri Jan 18 21:41:48 2013, in response to Re: South Ferry (1) Train Station Fix Could Take Up To 3 YEARS!!!, posted by Broadway Lion on Fri Jan 18 17:42:28 2013. Yes. It was. |
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Posted by J Trainloco on Fri Jan 18 21:43:51 2013, in response to Re: South Ferry (1) Train Station Fix Could Take Up To 3 YEARS!!!, posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Jan 18 17:49:35 2013. Yes. Deliberate actions were taken that affected waterproofing after it's installation. |
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Posted by J Trainloco on Fri Jan 18 22:08:01 2013, in response to Re: South Ferry (1) Train Station Fix Could Take Up To 3 YEARS!!!, posted by R30A on Fri Jan 18 20:07:50 2013. ...only because it's connected to the new station. A connection that isn't exactly useable as a transfer. |
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Posted by Gene B. on Fri Jan 18 22:15:37 2013, in response to South Ferry (1) Train Station Fix Could Take Up To 3 YEARS!!!, posted by Gold_12th on Thu Jan 17 23:50:37 2013. I hope they never reopen the new station. The loop was below the water table and the new station is below the loop. What kind of logic went into that decision? If they can reopen the loop at a minimal cost, fine. If not, then ferry passengers will either have to take the BMT at Whitehall (maybe with the W returning to service) or walk the short distance to Bowling Green. The cost to reopen sounds ridiculously high, and there is always the danger that another superstorm like Sandy will hit the area in the near future. As they taught us all when we learned to play poker, "Don't throw good money after bad". In other words, a bad decision was made to build the new station that far below the water table to begin with, so don't fix it up at a huge cost when it could happen again in short order. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Jan 18 22:31:15 2013, in response to Re: South Ferry (1) Train Station Fix Could Take Up To 3 YEARS!!!, posted by J Trainloco on Fri Jan 18 21:43:51 2013. Quite possible ... but any way you slice it, the waterproofing (if any) turned out to be an Earl Scheib job ... :) |
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Posted by Wakefield-241st Street on Fri Jan 18 22:38:56 2013, in response to Re: South Ferry (1) Train Station Fix Could Take Up To 3 YEARS!!!, posted by Gene B. on Fri Jan 18 22:15:37 2013. The station suffered water seepage from the day SFT opened with rust present on a walls. Do you really think the MTA would build anything with common sense in kind?If the West Side of Manhattan wasn't sloped, could you imagine the damage to the 7 line if another Sandy hit the region? |
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Posted by snarf368 on Fri Jan 18 22:50:51 2013, in response to Re: South Ferry (1) Train Station Fix Could Take Up To 3 YEARS!!!, posted by Jersey Mike on Fri Jan 18 09:31:24 2013. Sometimes you have to over estimate the figure of the damage because they will only get a fraction of it. In my years of accounting work, we always ask for more than what we actually need. If I need $100, I ask for $125 and get $100....you get the point. |
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Posted by grand concourse on Fri Jan 18 23:00:22 2013, in response to Re: South Ferry (1) Train Station Fix Could Take Up To 3 YEARS!!!, posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Jan 18 21:38:45 2013. heh. when the home channel doesn't want stuff, it pushes it off to it's sister networks, when the sister networks are done, they push it off to a tertiary network :(Case in point: MTV, what's the point anymore? May as well just rebrand it... |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Jan 18 23:03:13 2013, in response to Re: South Ferry (1) Train Station Fix Could Take Up To 3 YEARS!!!, posted by grand concourse on Fri Jan 18 23:00:22 2013. The very reason why cable teevee bit it at our house years ago, replaced by a video server and streaming stuff. MUCH better. :) |
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Posted by Sand Box John on Sat Jan 19 00:19:07 2013, in response to Re: South Ferry (1) Train Station Fix Could Take Up To 3 YEARS!!!, posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Jan 18 17:47:35 2013. I could swear I either recorded it, or somebody sent me a copy of it on DVD. Couldn't find it last night, so now not so sure. But I did see it twice and never gave waterproofing a thought either since the episode suggested that it was going to be one continuous "bathtub" that probably wouldn't have needed it. It was interesting seeing though how they had planned to dig under around and beside everything, digging under the park without digging UP the park and how deep down the rock cuts were for it.Typical method of waterproofing these days is to use sheets of PVC that are welded at the seams, In cut and cover excavations the PVC is attached to the shoring and the concrete is poured. The roof of the box is poured, the top of the sheets are folded over and welded to the sheets placed on the roof. In bored tunnels the PVC is attached to the outer lining then the inter lining is poured. The stuff that WMATA has built sense late 1980s has used this method of waterproofing. The way some of that under and around rock excavation was done seemed rather primitive to me. What I would have wrote could not been used as an i told you so. John in the sand box of Maryland's eastern shore. |
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Posted by grand concourse on Sat Jan 19 00:25:30 2013, in response to Re: South Ferry (1) Train Station Fix Could Take Up To 3 YEARS!!!, posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Jan 18 23:03:13 2013. plus if you like a show, just get/rent the dvd/itunes/etc of the show. why bother with all the commercials and the times when they air it? It's why I just dvr the shows, i'll watch when I want ;) |
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Posted by grand concourse on Sat Jan 19 00:26:36 2013, in response to Re: South Ferry (1) Train Station Fix Could Take Up To 3 YEARS!!!, posted by Sand Box John on Sat Jan 19 00:19:07 2013. modern marvels had a good segment about waterproofing the SAS or was it the 7 line? subway tunnel. |
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Posted by grand concourse on Sat Jan 19 00:28:07 2013, in response to Re: South Ferry (1) Train Station Fix Could Take Up To 3 YEARS!!!, posted by snarf368 on Fri Jan 18 22:50:51 2013. With the MTA, is there ever a case that holds true? Generally it seems when they over estimate something, the costs just keeps going up as if they underestimated. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jan 19 00:36:41 2013, in response to Re: South Ferry (1) Train Station Fix Could Take Up To 3 YEARS!!!, posted by Sand Box John on Sat Jan 19 00:19:07 2013. PVC has been widely used in electrical insulation on wires and other similar purposes. Problem with PVC is that it isn't a very stable compound and in a few short years, the "plasticizer" agent outgases causing it to dry out and shrink with resulting microcracks, then bigger cracks as it dries out. Then it begins absorbing moisture.PVC isn't such a great "plastic" for the purpose when it ages. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jan 19 00:38:19 2013, in response to Re: South Ferry (1) Train Station Fix Could Take Up To 3 YEARS!!!, posted by grand concourse on Sat Jan 19 00:25:30 2013. Precisely! And of course, there's always the library. Ours up here are well-supported and pretty complete in their collections. Only downside is that DVD's tend to get scratched. But still ... pay for ESPN and all that other crap only to have to pay to watch ads? I don't think so. :) |
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Posted by Jersey Mike on Sat Jan 19 00:53:16 2013, in response to Re: South Ferry (1) Train Station Fix Could Take Up To 3 YEARS!!!, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Jan 18 14:00:48 2013. I'm only angry because this makes people like yourself decide that all transit is wasteful or takes away from other transit projects. If the MTA needs 600 million for capitol projects including a SF repair, by all means give it to them. They shouldn't need to play budget tricks. |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Sat Jan 19 01:29:03 2013, in response to Re: South Ferry (1) Train Station Fix Could Take Up To 3 YEARS!!!, posted by J Trainloco on Fri Jan 18 21:41:48 2013. No, it wasn't! Even the engineers at Shady Schiavone, who had the South Ferry contract (surprise, surprise!) asked the MTA if they were sure that they did not want any waterproofing. The MTA said no- probably as a cost cutting move. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Sat Jan 19 02:01:24 2013, in response to Re: South Ferry (1) Train Station Fix Could Take Up To 3 YEARS!!!, posted by Dyre Dan on Fri Jan 18 00:21:08 2013. The problem with reopening the loops s that it would have to be ADA compliant even on a temporary basis. |
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Posted by Grand concourse on Sat Jan 19 02:26:41 2013, in response to Re: South Ferry (1) Train Station Fix Could Take Up To 3 YEARS!!!, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jan 19 00:38:19 2013. I haven't watched espn in a while. I would drop that if it was an option. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jan 19 02:45:42 2013, in response to Re: South Ferry (1) Train Station Fix Could Take Up To 3 YEARS!!!, posted by Grand concourse on Sat Jan 19 02:26:41 2013. It's almost 10% of your cable bill. Major reason for dropping television on this side. That and the CBS crap. Over the air looks MUCH better for the regular networks, so we do that. Add streaming, treats from the library, and a video server with almost 2000 movies on it and no need for any of that. I might buy back in if "ala carte" ever happens, but I ain't paying for the 2,000th rerun of the same old crap. |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Sat Jan 19 03:21:17 2013, in response to Re: South Ferry (1) Train Station Fix Could Take Up To 3 YEARS!!!, posted by merrick1 on Fri Jan 18 20:45:32 2013. Interesting, but given the bulk of those riders are from Staten Island going to and from the Ferry, I suspect the MTA may wind up under political pressure to re-open the old South Ferry station as quickly as possible to appease those who are too lazy, have difficulty (for any reason) or otherwise don't want to walk from Rector to the Ferry Terminal and vice versa (also applies to Whitehall, Bowling Green, etc.). |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Sat Jan 19 03:28:50 2013, in response to Re: South Ferry (1) Train Station Fix Could Take Up To 3 YEARS!!!, posted by AMoreira81 on Sat Jan 19 02:01:24 2013. I would think in this instance they would be able to get a waiver given the extreme circumstances that were involved (i.e.: A natural disaster). Especially if the old loop station has to be put back in service for two years or more as the (1) terminal due to the current station being unusable, I would also do the necessary ADA work while the station is open because that would also allow for a later re-working of the station for the Lexington line that was described previously.That said, anyone who would cry foul over the MTA getting an ADA waiver to re-open old SF immediately for revenue service would be missing the reason it would be done: Hurricane Sandy effectively destroying the station that replaced it. This clearly would be an emergency circumstance. The other option would be to see if it is more feasible (and cheaper) to simply extend the old station on each end enough to allow for 10 cars and do a full renovation of the old station, making it ADA accesible and abandoning the current station. |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Sat Jan 19 03:44:12 2013, in response to Re: South Ferry (1) Train Station Fix Could Take Up To 3 YEARS!!!, posted by Wakefield-241st Street on Fri Jan 18 22:38:56 2013. Certainly!! The (7) probably would be vunerable were it not for the way the west side is sloped.What I now think needs to be looked at is the possibility of renovating the old loop station and if possible extending it so full, 10-car trains can use it. As it is, I believe you actually could fit seven cars into old SF if you did it right, so such an extension might actually only be needed to be around 160-180' as opposed to the 250' or so it might be otherwise (anyone with the actual dimensions please feel free to correct me on this). It may be cheaper to simply re-do and expand the old station that try to rebuild the new one. Then there is the matter of the old inner station. With tbe new technology trains coming in the years ahead and that station actually able to handle full 10-car trains I believe, perhaps that station could be re-opened since I'm sure the newer cars as they come onto the subways could be programmed to ONLY open the center doors at the inner SF station if that station got revived in the future. While I have never thought of bringing back the inner loop station previously, it could be feasible to do so down the road if NTT cars that are coming can be programmed to automatically only open the center doors at the inner SF loop station. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Jan 19 07:10:51 2013, in response to Re: South Ferry (1) Train Stations (New and Old), posted by Wallyhorse on Sat Jan 19 03:44:12 2013. Or just double-spot 5 car trains. |
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Posted by J Trainloco on Sat Jan 19 14:18:08 2013, in response to Re: South Ferry (1) Train Station Fix Could Take Up To 3 YEARS!!!, posted by Elkeeper on Sat Jan 19 01:29:03 2013. Did you work on the project? Are you personally acquainted with management at Schiavone? |
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Posted by WillD on Sat Jan 19 15:18:43 2013, in response to Re: South Ferry (1) Train Station Fix Could Take Up To 3 YEARS!!!, posted by Grand concourse on Fri Jan 18 21:26:13 2013. Nah, what they clearly think they need is another redneck channel to compete with the Hitler channel's crap. |
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Posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Sat Jan 19 17:21:36 2013, in response to Re: South Ferry (1) Train Station Fix Could Take Up To 3 YEARS!!!, posted by SUBWAYMAN on Fri Jan 18 18:07:39 2013. So rebuilding the new South Ferry station at a cost that's ever higher than what it cost to build the station in the first place is more exciting than reinstating the W train? |
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Posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Sat Jan 19 17:35:44 2013, in response to Re: South Ferry (1) Train Station Fix Could Take Up To 3 YEARS!!!, posted by Gene B. on Fri Jan 18 22:15:37 2013. It may very well be a case of throwing good money after bad, especially given that it will cost more to rebuild the station than it did to build it. But would the MTA want to write off the station? |
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Posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Sat Jan 19 17:42:45 2013, in response to Re: South Ferry (1) Train Station Fix Could Take Up To 3 YEARS!!!, posted by Wakefield-241st Street on Fri Jan 18 22:38:56 2013. I know. When I read about leaking in the new station not long after it opened, I thought "They spent half a million dollars for a station and the damn thing is leaking?" |
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Posted by grand concourse on Sat Jan 19 18:03:06 2013, in response to Re: South Ferry (1) Train Station Fix Could Take Up To 3 YEARS!!!, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jan 19 02:45:42 2013. I too would favor ala carte. I'd dump practically everything paramount/cbs other than cbs itself, all of nbc, some of abc and some of fox. I'd keep mainly discovery and history/A&e and it's related sister networks. |
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Posted by grand concourse on Sat Jan 19 18:04:01 2013, in response to Re: South Ferry (1) Train Station Fix Could Take Up To 3 YEARS!!!, posted by WillD on Sat Jan 19 15:18:43 2013. i can't stand those swamp people and ax men crap either. |
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Posted by monorail on Sat Jan 19 18:44:35 2013, in response to South Ferry (1) Train Station Fix Could Take Up To 3 YEARS!!!, posted by Gold_12th on Thu Jan 17 23:50:37 2013. they should rebuild the elevated structure..... |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jan 19 19:51:11 2013, in response to Re: South Ferry (1) Train Station Fix Could Take Up To 3 YEARS!!!, posted by grand concourse on Sat Jan 19 18:03:06 2013. Yeah, what caused me to pull the plug on it was that I'd come down to Hitler, Nevermind channel (DSC), Starz, SHO and MAX. ALL of them continually running the same crap over and over again and most annoying of all, all logo'd up on the screens interfering with the view. When the logos and promos started filling more than the lower third, that was it for me. If I can't watch without all that swag, I don't need it. |
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Posted by (SIR) North Shore Line on Sat Jan 19 20:51:51 2013, in response to Re: South Ferry (1) Train Station Fix Could Take Up To 3 YEARS!!!, posted by Allan on Fri Jan 18 09:06:29 2013. If there is anything that most Staten Islanders are already accustomed to is South Ferry being closed for a variety of reasons even back in the loop days. From my observations it's a 7-8 minute walk and using any other alternative besides taking the 2/3 to Wall Street would be slower than walking and using Rector.I also remember seeing a picture showing Whitehall terminal flooded out meaning that if SF loop were open and the entrance was still there by the water, South Ferry loop if not boarded up properly would have been flooded and damaged pretty badly as well but not nearly as costly as the new SF. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Jan 19 20:53:26 2013, in response to Re: South Ferry (1) Train Station Fix Could Take Up To 3 YEARS!!!, posted by Newkirk Images on Fri Jan 18 07:57:10 2013. Seawater is hell and corruption on all things mechanical. In my early years with EMS, I remember the city playing with an amphibious rescue craft called a LARC, which could be driven on city streets and sailed in the water like any ship. But for every hour in the water, some poor guy had four hours of cleaning out the saltwater gunk from every working part of the boat meant for use on land.Unlike fresh water, which dries out with mo real effect, seawater gets in there and stays there, much to the chagrin of those who operate subways here. |
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Posted by grand concourse on Sat Jan 19 23:09:02 2013, in response to Re: South Ferry (1) Train Station Fix Could Take Up To 3 YEARS!!!, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jan 19 19:51:11 2013. Epix will piss you off. They have the little mini ads at the bottom of the screen just like what the network channels do now. I mean what's the point of the premiums other than unedited and uninterrupted movie? May as well just rent or buy the movie and cut the middle man. once my fios 2 yr deal is up, I'm dropping the premiums. I will say that Max is probably the best in terms of just showing the logo and minimum intrusions, as they won't put the promos during the movie. Although it might change since they've started getting in on the series stuff that all the other premiums have done. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Jan 20 09:54:31 2013, in response to Re: South Ferry (1) Train Station Fix Could Take Up To 3 YEARS!!!, posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Sat Jan 19 17:42:45 2013. Apparently they first built a bathtub to build the station in, and once having a bathtub they did not think that additional waterproffing was necessary.Live and Learn. Well at least live and spend more money. ROAR |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Jan 20 09:56:22 2013, in response to Re: South Ferry (1) Train Station Fix Could Take Up To 3 YEARS!!!, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jan 19 19:51:11 2013. Watch USA you can see all day replays of Law and Order! |
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Posted by michael549 on Sun Jan 20 11:20:01 2013, in response to Re: South Ferry (1) Train Station Fix Could Take Up To 3 YEARS!!!, posted by (SIR) North Shore Line on Sat Jan 19 20:51:51 2013. It is a good sprint from the Rector Street station to the ferry terminal when one is trying to make a particular boat. There are no real good alternatives when one is traveling along the lower westside of Manhattan.Here's to hoping that the renovation work proceeds quickly. Mike |
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Posted by grand concourse on Sun Jan 20 11:55:22 2013, in response to Re: South Ferry (1) Train Station Fix Could Take Up To 3 YEARS!!!, posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Sat Jan 19 17:35:44 2013. Fingers crossed the next storm that hits won't cause a major rehab job to fix it up again. At some point enough is enough and the feds can't keep plunking down $300 mil + for one location.Now it seems the feds are only picking up 75-90% of the costs. So it will cost the MTA from $50-125 mil. |
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Posted by J Trainloco on Sun Jan 20 11:58:18 2013, in response to Re: South Ferry (1) Train Station Fix Could Take Up To 3 YEARS!!!, posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Jan 20 09:54:31 2013. Specifying waterproofing was not the issue. |
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Posted by SUBWAYMAN on Sun Jan 20 12:22:01 2013, in response to Re: South Ferry (1) Train Station Fix Could Take Up To 3 YEARS!!!, posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Sat Jan 19 17:21:36 2013. No calling the new station a boondoggle is nonsense. The storm just happened a few years after the opening. The same thing would've happened if the station was 100 years old.FYI I have no problem with reinstating the W. But I don't think the TA has enough subway cars right now. :( |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Jan 20 13:02:08 2013, in response to Re: South Ferry (1) Train Station Fix Could Take Up To 3 YEARS!!!, posted by SUBWAYMAN on Sun Jan 20 12:22:01 2013. Well, if you do not think NYCT has enough subway cars now, then just wait until the open the 2nd Ave Line.LION on Second Avenue: [Q] BROADWAY EXPRESS 125th Street to Coney Island via Bridge / Brighton Line (24/7) [N] BROADWAY EXPRESS 125th Street to Coney Island via Bridge / Sea Beach Line (16/5) [R] BROADWAY LOCAL Astoria to Fort Hamilton via Tunnel (24/7) [W] BROADWAY LOCAL Forest Hills to Whitehall Street (16/5) Selected (W) trains will short turn at City Hall. Selected (W) trains will turn at 9th Avenue YES, the LION knows where they yard are in relation to the [RR] train, and the heck with it! If I do not stop the trains, I'll not have to service them! Of course they will be serviced by the JAMAICA YARD, and yes they will have to dead head in and out, but this is how it will be done. EXPRESS TRAINS via 63rd Street and the Bridge and LOCAL TRAINS via 60th Street and the Tunnel. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun Jan 20 14:00:14 2013, in response to Re: South Ferry (1) Train Station Fix Could Take Up To 3 YEARS!!!, posted by SUBWAYMAN on Sun Jan 20 12:22:01 2013. With some short-turn creativity, they can scrape up something.Do all 15 F's per hour have to run reverse peak on the Culver Line ? After 730am, turn half of them back at 2nd Avenue for another load from Queens. By the time they now get to KH or CI, they are not needed for service. Ditto in the PM. |
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Posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Sun Jan 20 15:07:22 2013, in response to Re: South Ferry (1) Train Station Fix Could Take Up To 3 YEARS!!!, posted by SUBWAYMAN on Sun Jan 20 12:22:01 2013. You may be right about that. If it weren't for the problems with the R44s or if they hadn't reefed well over half the R32 fleet, there would would have been enough cars for reinstating the W, if the MTA were to consider it...although I doubt they will. |
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Posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Sun Jan 20 15:23:52 2013, in response to Re: South Ferry (1) Train Station Fix Could Take Up To 3 YEARS!!!, posted by grand concourse on Sun Jan 20 11:55:22 2013. What would be the consequences of not fixing the station and just continuing to terminate the 1 at Rector and reverse trains on the old South Ferry loop? Granted, the MTA would likely only receive that Federal money for the express purpose of rebuilding the station. But if it's going to cost more to rebuild the station than it did to build it in the first place, and there are nearby stations (Bowling Green and Whitehall), then is South Ferry really worth rebuilding? |
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Re: South Ferry (1) Train Station Fix Could Take Up To 3 YEARS!!! |
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Posted by grand concourse on Sun Jan 20 16:27:25 2013, in response to Re: South Ferry (1) Train Station Fix Could Take Up To 3 YEARS!!!, posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Sun Jan 20 15:07:22 2013. While speaking of the old cars, why did they reef the R40Ms? Imo they looked a lot better than the R42s. R38s were also 'ok'. If those were around you could run those together with the R32s and there won't be this issue every time the C needs to run 8 car R42s if there's a shortage of R32s available. |
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Re: South Ferry (1) Train Station Fix Could Take Up To 3 YEARS!!! |
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Posted by Dj Hammers on Sun Jan 20 17:18:35 2013, in response to Re: South Ferry (1) Train Station Fix Could Take Up To 3 YEARS!!!, posted by grand concourse on Sun Jan 20 16:27:25 2013. A lot of the R38's roofs were really shot.Hypothetically, could they have just kept the best performing pairs, regardless of type? A reliable smorgasbord train is better than an unreliable one-type train. |
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Re: South Ferry (1) Train Station Fix Could Take Up To 3 YEARS!!! |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun Jan 20 17:34:13 2013, in response to Re: South Ferry (1) Train Station Fix Could Take Up To 3 YEARS!!!, posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Jan 20 13:02:08 2013. Too much service on 2nd Avenue. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Jan 20 18:13:18 2013, in response to Re: South Ferry (1) Train Station Fix Could Take Up To 3 YEARS!!!, posted by Joe V on Sun Jan 20 17:34:13 2013. Says Who?Have you ever ridden the LEXINGTON AVENUE Line lately. They have (4) (5) AND (6) service on there and are packed to the rafters. ROAR |
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