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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Feb 8 01:01:47 2011, in response to Re: 76st what happened?, posted by PHXTUSbusfan on Tue Feb 8 00:48:38 2011. That's what draws me into it ... the city's politics has always been interesting when things go sideways. Sorta like Chicago, but very different. And projects die all the time - look at SAS. But the city was always meticulous in its paperwork and could come up with the most fanciful justifications for why every stupid thing ever done was pure genius. One would have expected THIS episode to have resulted in "unanticipated problems which would have made further construction wreckless and impractical" laying out dozens of good reasons why this was a good thing to just stop.Nothing ... THAT makes it interesting. :) |
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Posted by PHXTUSbusfan on Tue Feb 8 01:09:40 2011, in response to Re: 76st what happened?, posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Feb 8 01:01:47 2011. IMHO there's a tunnel (with no tracks) that extends until it ends at 78th St. and Pitkin Ave. In addition, there's an unfinished station that's partially tiled at 76th St. and Pitkin ave. The yard leads make it to the main tunnel. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Feb 8 01:47:54 2011, in response to Re: 76st what happened?, posted by PHXTUSbusfan on Tue Feb 8 01:09:40 2011. Anything's possible, including that it only goes in about 600 feet. It'd be nice to have a real answer though so we can go back to calling each other asshats and be done with it. :) |
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Posted by PHXTUSbusfan on Tue Feb 8 02:39:21 2011, in response to Re: 76st what happened?, posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Feb 8 01:47:54 2011. Nah. I'd be happy if we never went back to that time. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Feb 8 02:46:02 2011, in response to Re: 76st what happened?, posted by PHXTUSbusfan on Tue Feb 8 02:39:21 2011. Heh. So grab a shovel son, and keep digging! :) |
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Posted by SMAZ on Tue Feb 8 03:28:59 2011, in response to Re: 76st what happened?, posted by PHXTUSbusfan on Tue Feb 8 00:28:13 2011. The variable that made this thread a masterpiece is that some guy named SMAZ posted in it.Everything that guy touches turns to gold. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Feb 8 03:34:38 2011, in response to Re: 76st what happened?, posted by SMAZ on Tue Feb 8 03:28:59 2011. Aw geez ... there goes the neighborhood. :)
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Posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Tue Feb 8 07:17:56 2011, in response to Re: 76st what happened?, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Feb 8 00:20:04 2011. Mind the gap! |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue Feb 8 07:58:22 2011, in response to Re: 76st what happened?, posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Feb 7 19:49:46 2011. And run R-1/9s on the IRT, right?:) |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue Feb 8 07:59:43 2011, in response to Re: 76st what happened?, posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Feb 8 01:01:47 2011. Let's call it a sacred mystery and leave it at that.:) |
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Posted by PHXTUSbusfan on Tue Feb 8 11:39:10 2011, in response to Re: 76st what happened?, posted by SMAZ on Tue Feb 8 03:28:59 2011. ROFL! |
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Posted by tunnelrat on Tue Feb 8 13:24:53 2011, in response to Re: 76st what happened?, posted by Randyo on Mon Feb 7 19:20:01 2011. Its only a single homeball facing the wall.it is still in use as a relay for other signals.don`t ask me how because I have no expertise when it comes to matters like this.the signal maintainers in pitkin tower told me this.Just re-read your post,your`re refering to the signals on the layups below grant ave,right? |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Feb 8 15:37:43 2011, in response to Re: 76st what happened?, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue Feb 8 07:58:22 2011. Absolutely! Those platforms are gonna need a shave and there's no standards left to do it. :) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Feb 8 15:42:36 2011, in response to Re: 76st what happened?, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue Feb 8 07:59:43 2011. But we prayed to it and there have been no miracles, not even for the Mets. I'd say the Pope is walking away from this one. :) |
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Posted by Randyo on Tue Feb 8 16:19:11 2011, in response to Re: 76st what happened?, posted by tunnelrat on Tue Feb 8 13:24:53 2011. Well, I was actually referring to the signals in the trackways on A7 and A8 which protected the switches which were removed that connected those tracks to K5 and K6 leads. As for the single homeball facing the wall, I believe that was intended to be part of the 76 St interlocking and wouldn't be needed for Euclid to function. The Automatic approach on A2 is a different story but even that could have been removed since the button controlling that signal had long been removed from Euclid's model board. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue Feb 8 16:25:28 2011, in response to Re: 76st what happened?, posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Feb 8 15:37:43 2011. There's still a Triplex or two floating around.:) |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue Feb 8 16:25:54 2011, in response to Re: 76st what happened?, posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Feb 8 15:42:36 2011. Amen to that. |
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Posted by Randyo on Tue Feb 8 16:27:04 2011, in response to Re: 76st what happened?, posted by handbrake on Mon Feb 7 23:47:01 2011. I don't know if any photos exist of the station entrance s at either 59 or 36 St which had a similar station entrance in the median of 4 Av. Somewhere years ago, I read some documentation that mentioned that the station entrances in the median at the express stations on 4 Av were removed and placed on the sidewalks due to being a traffic hazard. I got the impression that Pacific St might also have had a similar entrance in the median. Interestingly, the 96/Bway station on the IRT had a headhouse built on a modified median in the middle of Broadway to make station access easier. I guess something like that is not as much of a traffic hazard in 21 century Manhattan as it was in 20 century Brooklyn. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Feb 8 17:05:55 2011, in response to Re: 76st what happened?, posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Feb 8 00:44:48 2011. Yes, that's the whole thing - it's an interesting topic, and there is enough circumstantial evidence to suggest their "could" be something there, but there's no proof to actually prove it, but because of that circumstantial evidence, there's also no conrete way to disprove it either. It's an anomaly. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Feb 8 17:12:25 2011, in response to Re: 76st what happened?, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue Feb 8 16:25:28 2011. More shaving power! :) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Feb 8 17:17:15 2011, in response to Re: 76st what happened?, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Feb 8 17:05:55 2011. And there's even science behind it ... "Paperwork can never be created nor destroyed, merely shuffled from one archive to another until it forms a black hole." :)The absence of paperwork is the real mystery to me ... 
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Posted by PHXTUSbusfan on Tue Feb 8 17:19:53 2011, in response to Re: 76st what happened?, posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Feb 8 17:17:15 2011. Shouldn't there be paperwork from the time when the cinder block wall was put up? You'd think that there would have to be a contract to order cinder blocks and also some sort of assignment to whomever erected the wall. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Feb 8 17:23:47 2011, in response to Re: 76st what happened?, posted by PHXTUSbusfan on Tue Feb 8 17:19:53 2011. There should be paperwork for each and every move there ... for the builds, for the stop work, for the inventory of what was used and what was surplused or moved to other construction, justifications for the work, justifications for the stop work, storage documents during the war, disposal of materials, you name it.For every action, there is a form to be filled and filed. It's STILL like that even today ... |
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Posted by dtrain1 on Tue Feb 8 17:53:09 2011, in response to Re: 76st what happened?, posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Feb 8 17:23:47 2011. Paperwork is what makes the city run run run lol. In fact I can say that I am sure that they had to be internally audited by the cities finest Auditor year by year. So wonder if any of the City Auditor's records are still around to account for all of these expenditure,s. Walls, track removal, back fill maybe, Someone had to account for some of the realities . |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Feb 8 17:59:35 2011, in response to Re: 76st what happened?, posted by dtrain1 on Tue Feb 8 17:53:09 2011. Precisely ... at the state level, agencies usually get rid of their paperwork after 5 to 7 years depending, but every single sheet goes off to the state archives. Having had to go try to find stuff at the state archives when I was with the state, it's absolutely no picnic at all - the usual response from the archivists being, "it's over in there ... somewhere. Good luck." Only those willing to shuffle through LOTS of cartons might find what they're looking for.I can only imagine what a mess the city's archives are. :( |
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Posted by tunnelrat on Tue Feb 8 18:17:16 2011, in response to Re: 76st what happened?, posted by Randyo on Tue Feb 8 16:19:11 2011. the only signal thats still there is the homeball facing the wall& is wired into other signals. |
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Posted by Karl M, Ex New Yorker on Tue Feb 8 18:24:09 2011, in response to Re: 76st what happened?, posted by tunnelrat on Tue Feb 8 18:17:16 2011. I wonder if someone purposely turned that signal to face the wall to give people something to talk about ....... which it's done heh, andanother thing, cinder block walls aren't a permanent wall, unlike a concrete wall this can be removed if the TA wants to do so ... and who says someday it may just do that. Karl M |
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Posted by tunnelrat on Tue Feb 8 18:27:07 2011, in response to Re: 76st what happened?, posted by Karl M, Ex New Yorker on Tue Feb 8 18:24:09 2011. Nah.it controlled the x-overs from tracksA7/8 into the yard leads into pitkin yd. |
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Posted by Randyo on Tue Feb 8 18:27:45 2011, in response to Re: 76st what happened?, posted by Karl M, Ex New Yorker on Tue Feb 8 18:24:09 2011. I have said this in many posts so I guess I need to shout it to make an impression. THE ONLY CINDERBLOCK WALL IS THE ONE (TWO SEPARATE ONES ACTUALLY) AT THE ENDS OF A7 AND A8 YARD LEADS. THE WALL AT THE END OF THE MAINLINE INFRASTRUCTURE UNDET PITKIN AV ITSELF IS CONCRETE!!!! |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Feb 8 18:28:50 2011, in response to Re: 76st what happened?, posted by Karl M, Ex New Yorker on Tue Feb 8 18:24:09 2011. "Mister Walder ... tear DOWN this wall!" :)
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Posted by dtrain1 on Tue Feb 8 18:28:54 2011, in response to Re: 76st what happened?, posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Feb 8 17:59:35 2011. Your right. I use to work for the government in downtown brooklyn years back and it was the same thing. audits every year, boxing up the documents and sending them over to 3rd ave warehouse and in time filmed. lol.I was posting with a guy named Marc a few days ago. He was responding to my comments about looking for building plans for the school out on Pitkin, PS 24. Have to say Marc was very informitive and detailed on how much research had to be done to try and get answers. Some thoughts were to see though building department records, right away, utilities, etc if any records existed to show the existance of a subway tunnel in this area. but when dealing with old records or lack of records you can still come up short. who knows one day we may get to the truth of the matter. |
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Posted by Randyo on Tue Feb 8 18:31:15 2011, in response to Re: 76st what happened?, posted by tunnelrat on Tue Feb 8 18:27:07 2011. If the one you are talking about is the one that protected the switched from A7 and A8, then there is no reason for it to be hooked up to the Pitkin yard machine for any reason since neither the switches nor the tracks are there anymore. It sounds like we are getting confused between the yard leads and the mainline subway under Pitkin Av. |
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Posted by tunnelrat on Tue Feb 8 18:31:40 2011, in response to Re: 76st what happened?, posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Feb 8 18:28:50 2011. hahaha,if I knew how to cut&paste I wuz thinking of posting the same pix.[great minds stink alike,I fully expect you to post a photo of pepe la phew] |
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Posted by Randyo on Tue Feb 8 18:31:41 2011, in response to Re: 76st what happened?, posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Feb 8 18:28:50 2011. LOL! |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Feb 8 18:33:26 2011, in response to Re: 76st what happened?, posted by tunnelrat on Tue Feb 8 18:31:40 2011. Nah ... I'll let YOU go for it! That's you to go on 1 anyway. :) |
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Posted by Randyo on Tue Feb 8 18:36:22 2011, in response to Re: 76st what happened?, posted by PHXTUSbusfan on Tue Feb 8 17:19:53 2011. AsI mentioned in another post, in the early 1980s, there were still coal fired furnaces in Mosholu Yard yet although coal was being delivered, nobody in the TA could find out how the cole was being paid for or who was paying for it. |
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Posted by tunnelrat on Tue Feb 8 18:38:49 2011, in response to Re: 76st what happened?, posted by dtrain1 on Tue Feb 8 18:28:54 2011. This afternoon I was reading fred kramers book"building the ind"he says some years ago[I remember about 25]the mta threw out a dumpster of photos&paperwork from the BOT.this was rescued&now is in a private collection.the person who dumpster dived& was arrested,went to court& was found not guilty of whatever stupid charges wereleveled against him.this was in the newspapers,I remember reading about it.Could be anything related to 76st.was thrown out in such a manner.he only saved 1 dumpster,can you imagine what was thrown out? |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Feb 8 18:39:48 2011, in response to Re: 76st what happened?, posted by dtrain1 on Tue Feb 8 18:28:54 2011. And once that's all settled, we can have Unca Larry shut the place down and turn it into a train porn site. :) Do not hump ... |
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Posted by tunnelrat on Tue Feb 8 18:42:10 2011, in response to Re: 76st what happened?, posted by Randyo on Tue Feb 8 18:31:15 2011. randy,if you look inside said signal its used as some kind of relay.confirmed several times eveytime I asked about it in pitkin & euclid dept.I,m pretty sure I gave jeff h.signal drawings on this. |
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Posted by dtrain1 on Tue Feb 8 18:48:30 2011, in response to Re: 76st what happened?, posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Feb 8 18:39:48 2011. LOLL :D |
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Posted by tunnelrat on Tue Feb 8 18:50:10 2011, in response to Re: 76st what happened?, posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Feb 8 18:39:48 2011. green power?watch the sparks fly? suggested titles. |
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Posted by tunnelrat on Tue Feb 8 18:51:31 2011, in response to Re: 76st what happened?, posted by tunnelrat on Tue Feb 8 18:42:10 2011. should read pitkin&euclid SIGNAL depts. |
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Posted by dtrain1 on Tue Feb 8 18:56:44 2011, in response to Re: 76st what happened?, posted by tunnelrat on Tue Feb 8 18:38:49 2011. Its amazing how short sited people can be to just throw things away with out realizing that some documents or pics should be preserved. Just think of how much history that could have been displayed in the transit museum or properly archived. well would be nice to think that maybe something about 76th sta and tunnel would be in that one dumpster. |
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Posted by Randyo on Tue Feb 8 19:00:24 2011, in response to Re: 76st what happened?, posted by tunnelrat on Tue Feb 8 18:42:10 2011. OK, now where is the signal we are talking about so I can look it up? |
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Posted by tunnelrat on Tue Feb 8 19:01:58 2011, in response to Re: 76st what happened?, posted by Randyo on Tue Feb 8 19:00:24 2011. its between a7&a8 about 100 feet from the c/b wall. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Feb 8 19:02:29 2011, in response to Re: 76st what happened?, posted by tunnelrat on Tue Feb 8 18:50:10 2011. "Behind the Green Turnstile." :) |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Feb 8 19:03:26 2011, in response to Re: 76st what happened?, posted by Randyo on Mon Feb 7 19:59:52 2011. Luckily in the case of this thread, those were confined to a single branch of this thread, and has petered out. Easy to avoid for someone who wants to catch up to this awesome thread. |
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Posted by Randyo on Tue Feb 8 19:03:33 2011, in response to Re: 76st what happened?, posted by tunnelrat on Tue Feb 8 19:01:58 2011. OK, I'll check it out. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Feb 8 19:03:57 2011, in response to Re: 76st what happened?, posted by Andrew Saucci on Mon Feb 7 22:22:35 2011. View Flat! |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Feb 8 19:06:36 2011, in response to Re: 76st what happened?, posted by PHXTUSbusfan on Tue Feb 8 01:09:40 2011. No. |
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