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You Can't Mean That - Could You? (Re: Finally, Someone Gets Cancer Who Deserves It)

Posted by Mitch45 on Wed Mar 28 07:48:30 2007, in response to Finally, Someone Gets Cancer Who Deserves It, posted by Jersey Mike on Tue Mar 27 18:41:17 2007.

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I hope your remark was simply a transference of anger at President Bush to his subordinate, and that you didn't really mean what you said.

My guess is that you've never experienced seeing and living with a person suffering from cancer. If you had, you wouldn't make this remark.
Let me give you just one example.

I lost my mother to cancer a year ago. The disease took a happy, outgoing 75 year old grandmother of three and in nine short months, turned her into a shrunken, bald, misshapen, twisted shell who couldn't walk, or speak, or even urinate on her own. Her suffering was beyond comprehension, because not only did she know she was going to die, and soon, but she had no dignity in her remaining days.

No one, except Adolf Hitler, deserves this kind of fate. And you're wishing it on him simply because of his job and his political ideology. Has Tony Snow ever harmed you personally?

I hope you didn't mean it. Because if you did, then you're worse than an asshole - you're ignorant too.

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Re: Finally, Someone Gets Cancer Who Deserves It

Posted by BIE on Wed Mar 28 07:59:02 2007, in response to Finally, Someone Gets Cancer Who Deserves It, posted by Jersey Mike on Tue Mar 27 18:41:17 2007.

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Re: Finally, Someone Gets Cancer Who Deserves It

Posted by BIE on Wed Mar 28 08:05:46 2007, in response to Re: Finally, Someone Gets Cancer Who Deserves It, posted by Train Dude on Tue Mar 27 23:05:44 2007.

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The righties haven't breathed a word about Mrs. Edwards.

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Re: Finally, Someone Gets Cancer Who Deserves It

Posted by BIE on Wed Mar 28 08:07:39 2007, in response to Re: Finally, Someone Gets Cancer Who Deserves It, posted by Train Dude on Tue Mar 27 23:05:44 2007.

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rush limbaugh did say that Michael J. Fox was faking Parkinson's Disease.

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Re: You Can't Mean That - Could You? (Re: Finally, Someone Gets Cancer Who Deserves It)

Posted by BIE on Wed Mar 28 08:09:10 2007, in response to You Can't Mean That - Could You? (Re: Finally, Someone Gets Cancer Who Deserves It), posted by Mitch45 on Wed Mar 28 07:48:30 2007.

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Mitch KNOWS cancer.

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You Can't Mean That - Could You? (Re: Finally, Someone Gets Cancer Who Deserves It)

Posted by Mitch45 on Wed Mar 28 09:07:53 2007, in response to Re: You Can't Mean That - Could You? (Re: Finally, Someone Gets Cancer Who Deserves It), posted by BIE on Wed Mar 28 08:09:10 2007.

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Unfortunately, I've seen the effects up close.

I neglected to mention that my aunt (my mother's older sister) and my mother in law also died of cancer within the past 3 years.

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Re: Finally, Someone Gets Cancer Who Deserves It

Posted by italianstallion on Wed Mar 28 10:29:36 2007, in response to Re: Finally, Someone Gets Cancer Who Deserves It, posted by American Pig on Tue Mar 27 21:49:49 2007.

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Who are we to wish that on anyone? We are not gods.

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Re: Finally, Someone Gets Cancer Who Deserves It

Posted by American Pig on Wed Mar 28 10:50:11 2007, in response to Re: Finally, Someone Gets Cancer Who Deserves It, posted by italianstallion on Wed Mar 28 10:29:36 2007.

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Who are we to wish that on anyone?

Humans are the ones who suffer when megalomaniacs build their "utopias," not God. Why should the perpetrators of misery not suffer commensurately?

I do not believe that God makes good people suffer needlessly. It is our duty to make bad people suffer needfully.

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Re: Finally, Someone Gets Cancer Who Deserves It

Posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Mar 28 11:00:15 2007, in response to Re: Finally, Someone Gets Cancer Who Deserves It, posted by Jersey Mike on Tue Mar 27 21:56:47 2007.

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Everyone lives with cancer cells in them all the time. You only get cancer when your body can't kill them off as fast as they are being produced. Stress affects your immune system. If you are a "nice" person, more things bother you so you are under more stress. Nasty people let things slide off them. If someone close to them hurts them, they don't really care, so less things bother them so they are under less stress.

Unless you know Tony Snow personally, you don't really know what type of person he is. Perhaps he is under a lot of stress having to say things he really doesn't want to say.

I really think the reason John Edward's wife's cancer returned was because of her husband's decision to run for President. It has to be stressful for the both of them. But they are too dumb to see that, being more concerned about the possibility of being in the White House than just being alive.

Be interesting to see if Ron agrees with this analysis.

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Re: Finally, Someone Gets Cancer Who Deserves It

Posted by American Pig on Wed Mar 28 11:04:27 2007, in response to Re: Finally, Someone Gets Cancer Who Deserves It, posted by orange blossom special on Tue Mar 27 23:03:09 2007.

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There's an interesting difference. Mike bafflingly rejoices at the suffering of others, while conservatives (not all Republicans) pretend to care about suffering, but don't put their votes where their mouth is. They vote down stem cell research, they vote to allow higher levels of arsenic in drinking water and other things.

What's better, saying you are happy about something bad that you have no control over, or having control over the suffering of others, but doing nothing?

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Re: Tony Snow Has Cancer

Posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Mar 28 11:04:52 2007, in response to Re: Tony Snow Has Cancer, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Mar 27 19:44:25 2007.

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My friend had colon cancer only to return to his liver and lungs. They gave him some experimental drug used only in France and he is okay now. It's been about three years and he's been cancer free.

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Re: Finally, Someone Gets Cancer Who Deserves It

Posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Mar 28 11:08:50 2007, in response to Re: Finally, Someone Gets Cancer Who Deserves It, posted by Peter Rosa on Tue Mar 27 22:21:27 2007.

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But what can you say about Elizabeth Edwards?

See here

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Re: Finally, Someone Gets Cancer Who Deserves It

Posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Mar 28 11:12:06 2007, in response to Re: Finally, Someone Gets Cancer Who Deserves It, posted by tracksionmotor on Wed Mar 28 00:56:47 2007.

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Congratulations. You are one of the few lucky ones.

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Re: Finally, Someone Gets Cancer Who Deserves It

Posted by orange blossom special on Wed Mar 28 11:27:12 2007, in response to Re: Finally, Someone Gets Cancer Who Deserves It, posted by BIE on Wed Mar 28 08:07:39 2007.

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Luckily for the internets, many such cases can get found. And you can't backtrack since it's out there!

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Re: Finally, Someone Gets Cancer Who Deserves It

Posted by orange blossom special on Wed Mar 28 11:28:07 2007, in response to Re: Finally, Someone Gets Cancer Who Deserves It, posted by American Pig on Wed Mar 28 11:04:27 2007.

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Excellant point. Goes back to putting the money where ones mouth is, or walking the walk.

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Re: Finally, Someone Gets Cancer Who Deserves It

Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Mar 28 14:05:47 2007, in response to Re: Finally, Someone Gets Cancer Who Deserves It, posted by American Pig on Wed Mar 28 11:04:27 2007.

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You just made absolutely no sense, as well as posted sweeping generalizations.

They vote down stem cell research

"They" is a generalization. If you're talking about the neoconservatives, IIRC they voted against embryonic stem cell research, with new embryos. There is more than one type of stem cell that gets researched, you know.

they vote to allow higher levels of arsenic in drinking water and other things

You need to stop getting your six-year-old "news" off the World Socialist Website. Perhaps you are unaware that the 10 PPB level has to have been complied with by January 2006 and the 50 PPB level is no longer in force? If you don't believe me, then believe the EPA.

What's better, saying you are happy about something bad that you have no control over, or having control over the suffering of others, but doing nothing?

You have not created such a comparison. And you'll never find a justification for Jerky Mike's outburst.

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Re: Finally, Someone Gets Cancer Who Deserves It

Posted by American Pig on Wed Mar 28 14:11:28 2007, in response to Re: Finally, Someone Gets Cancer Who Deserves It, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Mar 28 14:05:47 2007.

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"They" is a generalization. If you're talking about the neoconservatives, IIRC they voted against embryonic stem cell research, with new embryos. There is more than one type of stem cell that gets researched, you know.

It isn't a generalization, I already posted who "they" are. And yes, conservative is a generalization here, but all of those people who voted against it are conservative, even if not all conservatives voted against it.

You need to stop getting your six-year-old "news" off the World Socialist Website. Perhaps you are unaware that the 10 PPB level has to have been complied with by January 2006 and the 50 PPB level is no longer in force? If you don't believe me, then believe the EPA.

Who was in favor of the higher level in the first place?

And you'll never find a justification for Jerky Mike's outburst.

I wasn't, because it was unjustified in regard to Tony Snow. I was pointing out something that's worse. Objectionable speech is nothing, actions speak louder than words.

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Re: Finally, Someone Gets Cancer Who Deserves It

Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Mar 28 15:44:50 2007, in response to Re: Finally, Someone Gets Cancer Who Deserves It, posted by American Pig on Wed Mar 28 14:11:28 2007.

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I was pointing out something that's worse

No, that's not worse.

Objectionable speech is nothing, actions speak louder than words

That speech was not "objectionable"; it was rank and atrocious. Objectionability can be justified in many cases.

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Re: Finally, Someone Gets Cancer Who Deserves It

Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Mar 28 15:46:52 2007, in response to Re: Finally, Someone Gets Cancer Who Deserves It, posted by BIE on Wed Mar 28 07:59:02 2007.

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Re: Tony Snow Has Cancer

Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Mar 28 15:47:19 2007, in response to Re: Tony Snow Has Cancer, posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Mar 28 11:04:52 2007.

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Glad to hear that.

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Re: Finally, Someone Gets Cancer Who Deserves It

Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Mar 28 15:52:44 2007, in response to Re: Finally, Someone Gets Cancer Who Deserves It, posted by Fred G on Wed Mar 28 05:47:27 2007.

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I'm not going to jump on the bandwagon and condemn you though

What bandwagon? He's universally wrong. Not condemning his unjustified, inordinate and incontinent glee is the same as countenancing it.

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Re: Finally, Someone Gets Cancer Who Deserves It

Posted by Fred G on Wed Mar 28 16:29:55 2007, in response to Re: Finally, Someone Gets Cancer Who Deserves It, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Mar 28 15:52:44 2007.

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Ok then. 1 down, 2 to go.

your pal,
Fred

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Re: Finally, Someone Gets Cancer Who Deserves It

Posted by Q35 Limited on Wed Mar 28 16:57:58 2007, in response to Finally, Someone Gets Cancer Who Deserves It, posted by Jersey Mike on Tue Mar 27 18:41:17 2007.

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go chase some rr signal light you love so much.

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Re: Finally, Someone Gets Cancer Who Deserves It

Posted by American Pig on Wed Mar 28 17:21:23 2007, in response to Re: Finally, Someone Gets Cancer Who Deserves It, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Mar 28 15:44:50 2007.

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That speech was not "objectionable"; it was rank and atrocious.

Rank and atrocious is a subset of objectionable.

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Re: Finally, Someone Gets Cancer Who Deserves It

Posted by orange blossom special on Wed Mar 28 17:33:29 2007, in response to Re: Finally, Someone Gets Cancer Who Deserves It, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Mar 28 14:05:47 2007.

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You ignored my postings about relaxed water rules in the last year of the conservative congress. They can dump untreated sewage in there now.

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Re: Finally, Someone Gets Cancer Who Deserves It

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Mar 28 17:44:21 2007, in response to Finally, Someone Gets Cancer Who Deserves It, posted by Jersey Mike on Tue Mar 27 18:41:17 2007.

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Speaking as someone who has seen his mother deal with TWO bouts of cancer, I say fuck you, you human piece of garbage.

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Re: Finally, Someone Gets Cancer Who Deserves It

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Mar 28 17:48:23 2007, in response to Re: Finally, Someone Gets Cancer Who Deserves It, posted by Scrabbleship on Wed Mar 28 05:58:30 2007.

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Tony Snow is a perfectly fine human being. The only reason Scumbag Mike hates him is because he disagrees with his politics. I may strongly dislike Ted Kennedy, Nancy Pelosi and Al Gore, but I'd never wish them to suffer and die from cancer. That's just reprehensible. I wonder if Scumbag Mike has the guts to say that to anyone in here face-to-face ...

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Re: Finally, Someone Gets Cancer Who Deserves It

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Mar 28 17:50:55 2007, in response to Re: Finally, Someone Gets Cancer Who Deserves It, posted by AMoreira81 on Tue Mar 27 20:32:11 2007.

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I wouldn't even wish it on Jersey Mike.

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Re: Finally, Someone Gets Cancer Who Deserves It

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Mar 28 17:52:43 2007, in response to Re: Finally, Someone Gets Cancer Who Deserves It, posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Mar 28 11:00:15 2007.

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Perhaps he is under a lot of stress having to say things he really doesn't want to say.

Perhaps he believes everything he says. Perhaps his politics are way to the right of most on here. What the fuck does that mean?

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Re: Finally, Someone Gets Cancer Who Deserves It

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Mar 28 17:59:55 2007, in response to Re: Finally, Someone Gets Cancer Who Deserves It, posted by Train Dude on Tue Mar 27 23:05:44 2007.

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He hasn't. He's trying to rationalize Mike's slur by saying "they do it too!!!". Playground logic.

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Re: Finally, Someone Gets Cancer Who Deserves It

Posted by orange blossom special on Wed Mar 28 18:01:29 2007, in response to Re: Finally, Someone Gets Cancer Who Deserves It, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Mar 28 17:52:43 2007.

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If that's the case, he has a very servere psychosis. You can't change your stance every 2 days on the same issue and believe everything you're saying.
And you can't be stupid enough to deny's the presidents talking points. "he never said "stay the course EVER!". Or a good one, you'll have to ask the Pentagon themselves. The reasoning he said to do that? The Pentagon has nothing to do with the president or executive branch.

He's either lying, or grossly unqualified.

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Re: Finally, Someone Gets Cancer Who Deserves It

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Mar 28 18:02:20 2007, in response to Re: Finally, Someone Gets Cancer Who Deserves It, posted by American Pig on Wed Mar 28 11:04:27 2007.

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Those that object to stem-cell research do so out of compassion for any potential aborted feti. You can strongly disagree with that, but you can't deny that that's what motivates them. I know of no one opposed to the research who WANTS to see Michael J. Fox suffer.

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Re: Finally, Someone Gets Cancer Who Deserves It

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Mar 28 18:05:15 2007, in response to Re: Finally, Someone Gets Cancer Who Deserves It, posted by orange blossom special on Wed Mar 28 18:01:29 2007.

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He's a politician. They all lie. They have to to get us to vote for them or those they work for.


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Re: You Can't Mean That - Could You? (Re: Finally, Someone Gets Cancer Who Deserves It)

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Mar 28 18:10:55 2007, in response to You Can't Mean That - Could You? (Re: Finally, Someone Gets Cancer Who Deserves It), posted by Mitch45 on Wed Mar 28 07:48:30 2007.

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He does mean it. Suddenly, Ann Coulter doesn't seem like such a bitch ...

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Re: Finally, Someone Gets Cancer Who Deserves It

Posted by Fred G on Wed Mar 28 18:10:58 2007, in response to Re: Finally, Someone Gets Cancer Who Deserves It, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Mar 28 18:05:15 2007.

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Next you're gonna tell me there's no tooth fairy.

your pal,
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Re: Finally, Someone Gets Cancer Who Deserves It

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Mar 28 18:11:45 2007, in response to Re: Finally, Someone Gets Cancer Who Deserves It, posted by Fred G on Wed Mar 28 18:10:58 2007.

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There's no tooth fairy.

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Re: Finally, Someone Gets Cancer Who Deserves It

Posted by orange blossom special on Wed Mar 28 18:12:16 2007, in response to Re: Finally, Someone Gets Cancer Who Deserves It, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Mar 28 18:11:45 2007.

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Easter Bunny?

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Re: Finally, Someone Gets Cancer Who Deserves It

Posted by Fred G on Wed Mar 28 18:13:15 2007, in response to Re: Finally, Someone Gets Cancer Who Deserves It, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Mar 28 18:11:45 2007.

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Oooh I'm DYIN! Santa Claus either?

your pal,
Fred

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Re: Finally, Someone Gets Cancer Who Deserves It

Posted by Train Dude on Wed Mar 28 18:29:49 2007, in response to Re: Finally, Someone Gets Cancer Who Deserves It, posted by Fred G on Wed Mar 28 05:47:27 2007.

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Speaking of shooting themselves in the feet, how about "Wild West Webb"?

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Re: Finally, Someone Gets Cancer Who Deserves It

Posted by Fred G on Wed Mar 28 18:40:37 2007, in response to Re: Finally, Someone Gets Cancer Who Deserves It, posted by Train Dude on Wed Mar 28 18:29:49 2007.

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Haha, now there's a bungled moment. Oops, forgot that was in there. Loaded gun and I forget it's there.

your pal,
Fred

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Re: Finally, Someone Gets Cancer Who Deserves It

Posted by mr_brian on Wed Mar 28 19:04:08 2007, in response to Re: Finally, Someone Gets Cancer Who Deserves It, posted by zdeno on Tue Mar 27 22:13:17 2007.

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He needs to spend some time looking at some train signals.

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Re: Finally, Someone Gets Cancer Who Deserves It

Posted by BIE on Wed Mar 28 19:20:47 2007, in response to Re: Finally, Someone Gets Cancer Who Deserves It, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Mar 28 18:02:20 2007.

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rush limbaugh STATED that Mr. Fox was faking Parkinson's.

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Re: Finally, Someone Gets Cancer Who Deserves It

Posted by BIE on Wed Mar 28 19:22:20 2007, in response to Re: Finally, Someone Gets Cancer Who Deserves It, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Mar 28 17:44:21 2007.

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Tell us how you feel.

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Re: Finally, Someone Gets Cancer Who Deserves It

Posted by American Pig on Wed Mar 28 19:57:52 2007, in response to Re: Finally, Someone Gets Cancer Who Deserves It, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Mar 28 18:02:20 2007.

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Those that object to stem-cell research do so out of compassion for any potential aborted feti.

Embryos (nobody's doing any stem cell research with fetuses) don't have emotions nor do they feel pain. They can't, THEY LACK BRAINS! Feeling compassion for an embryo at a stage of development when embryonic stem cells can be harvested makes as much sense as having compassion for a clump of mud.

I know of no one opposed to the research who WANTS to see Michael J. Fox suffer.

When their ignorance becomes policy, they are causing future suffering.

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Re: Finally, Someone Gets Cancer Who Deserves It

Posted by American Pig on Wed Mar 28 19:59:14 2007, in response to Re: Finally, Someone Gets Cancer Who Deserves It, posted by BIE on Wed Mar 28 19:20:47 2007.

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To be fair, he stated that he was faking the symptoms, not that he didn't have the disease at all. That is out of either ignorance or malice. Limbaugh isn't in a policy position, so he can say whatever he wants.

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Re: Finally, Someone Gets Cancer Who Deserves It

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Mar 28 20:29:15 2007, in response to Re: Finally, Someone Gets Cancer Who Deserves It, posted by orange blossom special on Wed Mar 28 18:12:16 2007.

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Invented by Hershey in 1907.

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Re: Finally, Someone Gets Cancer Who Deserves It

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Mar 28 20:30:28 2007, in response to Re: Finally, Someone Gets Cancer Who Deserves It, posted by Fred G on Wed Mar 28 18:13:15 2007.

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Shhhhhhhh! Don't talk about that in public...they will find you.

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Re: Finally, Someone Gets Cancer Who Deserves It

Posted by Train Dude on Wed Mar 28 20:32:48 2007, in response to Re: Finally, Someone Gets Cancer Who Deserves It, posted by BIE on Wed Mar 28 19:20:47 2007.

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Yes he did. He was an ass for saying it and he apologized.

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Re: Finally, Someone Gets Cancer Who Deserves It

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Mar 28 20:34:32 2007, in response to Re: Finally, Someone Gets Cancer Who Deserves It, posted by American Pig on Wed Mar 28 19:57:52 2007.

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Embryos (nobody's doing any stem cell research with fetuses) don't have emotions nor do they feel pain. They can't, THEY LACK BRAINS! Feeling compassion for an embryo at a stage of development when embryonic stem cells can be harvested makes as much sense as having compassion for a clump of mud.

You say that, I say that, they say that human life begins at conception. It's not an evil ideology and no one who believes it wishes to make Parkinson's patients suffer and die.

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Re: Finally, Someone Gets Cancer Who Deserves It

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Mar 28 20:36:11 2007, in response to Re: Finally, Someone Gets Cancer Who Deserves It, posted by BIE on Wed Mar 28 19:20:47 2007.

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Rush says a lot of things, between pills. Like I said, he hasn't been funny or entertaining since '99.

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