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I wouldn't fly to DC |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Sun Mar 30 08:40:57 2025 I learned this about 4 incidents ago, and it keeps getting reaffirmed. |
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Re: I wouldn't fly to DC |
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Posted by TRAIN DUDE on Sun Mar 30 08:50:17 2025, in response to I wouldn't fly to DC, posted by Orange Blossom Special on Sun Mar 30 08:40:57 2025. I used to opt to fly into DC National on the USAir Dash-8s out of MacArthur to get my connecting flight to wherever. The odds of getting bumped were very high back then and I would rack up the free flights and upgrades. USAir frequent flyer program was quite generous in it's day. |
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Re: I wouldn't fly to DC |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Sun Mar 30 08:59:40 2025, in response to Re: I wouldn't fly to DC, posted by TRAIN DUDE on Sun Mar 30 08:50:17 2025. helicopters, ufo's, jets, and kites.This is the legacy that buttface left us. |
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Re: I wouldn't fly to DC |
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Posted by TRAIN DUDE on Sun Mar 30 09:05:23 2025, in response to Re: I wouldn't fly to DC, posted by Orange Blossom Special on Sun Mar 30 08:59:40 2025. My experiences at DC national were early 90s - pre buttfudge, thankfully. |
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Re: I wouldn't fly to DC |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Sun Mar 30 17:18:32 2025, in response to Re: I wouldn't fly to DC, posted by Orange Blossom Special on Sun Mar 30 08:59:40 2025. That’s awesome |
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Re: I wouldn't fly |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sun Mar 30 17:21:34 2025, in response to I wouldn't fly to DC, posted by Orange Blossom Special on Sun Mar 30 08:40:57 2025. It's getting riskier. |
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Re: I wouldn't fly to DC |
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Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Sun Mar 30 17:46:31 2025, in response to I wouldn't fly to DC, posted by Orange Blossom Special on Sun Mar 30 08:40:57 2025. HOW ABOUT AMTRAK |
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Re: I wouldn't fly to DC |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Sun Mar 30 17:51:34 2025, in response to Re: I wouldn't fly to DC, posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Sun Mar 30 17:46:31 2025. I got one train, and I'm lucky to got that. And it still goes in the wrong direction after years of talk talk talk. |
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Re: I wouldn't fly to DC |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Sun Mar 30 19:53:22 2025, in response to Re: I wouldn't fly to DC, posted by TRAIN DUDE on Sun Mar 30 08:50:17 2025. I hate flying. I hate every part of it. I hate the drive to the airport, I hate the lines at the baggage check in, I hate going through security, I hate the tiny narrow plane seats, I hate the germ incubator of the plane interior, I hate the people who fly “economy”, I hate the delays in getting off the plane, I hate going through customs, I hate waiting for my luggage and I hate the high prices in every Hudson News in every airport. |
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Re: I wouldn't fly to DC |
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Posted by TRAIN DUDE on Sun Mar 30 23:06:37 2025, in response to Re: I wouldn't fly to DC, posted by Mitch45 on Sun Mar 30 19:53:22 2025. I'm the opposite. I enjoy flying. I enjoy flying for work or on casino junkets best as the flights are free but even on my own dime, I will attend every opportunity. |
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Re: I wouldn't fly to DC |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Mon Mar 31 03:38:18 2025, in response to Re: I wouldn't fly to DC, posted by TRAIN DUDE on Sun Mar 30 23:06:37 2025. I want to like flying, and I've made some good experiences for leisure by finding the only 777 flight from Miami to Seattle a few years ago. But overall, flying in America does not match the experiences of high end restaurants and hotels. It is too much like going to Target. 737-800's are too loud, and are all of them hot with no air or is it just a southwest thing?But the time waiting for a plane after the 7 mile walk, the layovers overall (duration or distance) feel incredibly inefficient and a massive time waste. And the baggage claim is werid. The last 4 flights I had those bags were at the claim before I got there, and in the big cities, anyone can walk up and take the bag. I've seen some videos of democrats going through bags at airports like it was an amazon box. There's something not right about the system. Why am I doing Spirit to go to an overpriced luxery resort? There is some redemption if you are originating from a small airport. But the layovers. |
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Re: I wouldn't fly to DC |
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Posted by TRAIN DUDE on Mon Mar 31 07:25:33 2025, in response to Re: I wouldn't fly to DC, posted by Orange Blossom Special on Mon Mar 31 03:38:18 2025. "There is some redemption if you are originating from a small airport. But the layovers."That is very true. My local airport is MacArthur. As a resident, for a small fee, I get 2 years of unlimited long term parking. Depending on the airline, I ha e to contend with the time lost to connections but if you like the takeoff part as I do, there are compensations. |
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Re: I wouldn't fly to DC |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Mon Mar 31 09:39:36 2025, in response to Re: I wouldn't fly to DC, posted by TRAIN DUDE on Mon Mar 31 07:25:33 2025. I just like the sleepy nature of the flyover country airport. Go in the afternoon, only 1 other person in line at tsa. Rest of the experience is easy-going.Of course at 5 AM the place is packed. That's the most crowded part of the day. wtf is with the waking up at 2-3am for a flight? Some jet-age. |
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Re: I wouldn't fly to DC |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Mon Mar 31 16:13:51 2025, in response to Re: I wouldn't fly to DC, posted by Orange Blossom Special on Mon Mar 31 09:39:36 2025. And why does it take as long to get from NY to LA in 2025 as it did in 1975? |
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Re: I wouldn't fly to DC |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Mon Mar 31 16:22:04 2025, in response to Re: I wouldn't fly to DC, posted by Mitch45 on Mon Mar 31 16:13:51 2025. I assume it takes longer because of check-in and waiting around and traveling around to different terminals and "gates".Because we love things slow and outdated. I keep seeing a meme that shows that pick-up trucks look almost exactly as they did in 1971. |
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Re: I wouldn’t go to DC |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Mar 31 17:38:58 2025, in response to I wouldn't fly to DC, posted by Orange Blossom Special on Sun Mar 30 08:40:57 2025. I literally have no reason to go there no matter what the transportation mode. |
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Re: I wouldn’t fly to DC |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Mar 31 20:36:30 2025, in response to Re: I wouldn't fly to DC, posted by Mitch45 on Mon Mar 31 16:13:51 2025. Because we don't have fuel-efficient SSTs that don't generate sonic booms, yet. |
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Re: I wouldn’t fly to DC |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Tue Apr 1 09:12:09 2025, in response to Re: I wouldn’t fly to DC, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Mar 31 20:36:30 2025. We're going to have spaceships running freight before that era happens. |
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Re: I wouldn’t go to DC |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Tue Apr 1 09:12:25 2025, in response to Re: I wouldn’t go to DC, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Mar 31 17:38:58 2025. I never been to the Smithsomian. |
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Re: I wouldn’t go to DC |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Tue Apr 1 09:13:03 2025, in response to Re: I wouldn’t go to DC, posted by Orange Blossom Special on Tue Apr 1 09:12:25 2025. Practically, my problem is connecting flights.I won't pick a layover that takes me anywhere near that airspace. And a lot of flights to the NE has this issue. |
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Another Close Call Over DC |
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Posted by TRAIN DUDE on Tue Apr 1 09:53:33 2025, in response to Re: I wouldn’t fly to DC, posted by Orange Blossom Special on Tue Apr 1 09:12:09 2025. Air Force jet came within 6000 feet of a commercial flight. |
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Re: Another Close Call Over DC |
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Posted by TRAIN DUDE on Tue Apr 1 09:54:27 2025, in response to Another Close Call Over DC, posted by TRAIN DUDE on Tue Apr 1 09:53:33 2025. And a fist fight in the ATC tower led to an arrest. |
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Re: Another Close Call Over DC |
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Posted by cortelyounext on Tue Apr 1 10:25:23 2025, in response to Another Close Call Over DC, posted by TRAIN DUDE on Tue Apr 1 09:53:33 2025. Flight of 4 Talons.Old Friend |
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Re: Another Close Call Over DC |
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Posted by cortelyounext on Tue Apr 1 10:52:11 2025, in response to Re: Another Close Call Over DC, posted by TRAIN DUDE on Tue Apr 1 09:54:27 2025. While the job of an air traffic controller can be highly stressful, a fight between two on-the-job employees at a critical airport like Reagan National Airport is concerning.- Simple Flying You'd think? |
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Re: Another Close Call Over DC |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Tue Apr 1 10:55:59 2025, in response to Another Close Call Over DC, posted by TRAIN DUDE on Tue Apr 1 09:53:33 2025. I don't understand if this is a separate incident from last week, or it takes a week for news to get republished a second time pretending that it is new.While still close in time, I've seen too many confusing things on the "news"net where date stamps change for one event. |
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Re: Another Close Call Over DC |
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Posted by Train Dude on Tue Apr 1 11:17:05 2025, in response to Re: Another Close Call Over DC, posted by Orange Blossom Special on Tue Apr 1 10:55:59 2025. Apparently this happened 2 days ago |
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Re: I wouldn't fly to DC |
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Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Tue Apr 1 15:22:23 2025, in response to Re: I wouldn't fly to DC, posted by Orange Blossom Special on Sun Mar 30 17:51:34 2025. DID YOU AT LEAST TRY GOING BY TRAIN |
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Re: I wouldn’t fly to DC |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Tue Apr 1 15:59:10 2025, in response to Re: I wouldn’t fly to DC, posted by Orange Blossom Special on Tue Apr 1 09:12:09 2025. We're going to find out what's behind The Cinder Block Wall before that happens. |
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Re: Another Close Call Over DC |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Apr 1 16:21:08 2025, in response to Another Close Call Over DC, posted by TRAIN DUDE on Tue Apr 1 09:53:33 2025. The AF might need to be purged of some bad actors. |
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Re: I wouldn’t fly? |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Apr 1 16:23:12 2025, in response to Re: I wouldn't fly, posted by LuchAAA on Sun Mar 30 17:21:34 2025. All forms of mechanized transportation are risky, #37. Are you a good enough swimmer to cross the Atlantic? |
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Re: I wouldn't fly to DC |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Tue Apr 1 17:31:21 2025, in response to Re: I wouldn't fly to DC, posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Tue Apr 1 15:22:23 2025. Unfortunately the only time I had to go somewhere that was along the train route I only knew about the day of my trip.Spent 4-5 hours at a Nashville layover. Not a terrible airport to spend your entire day at. |
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Re: I wouldn’t fly to DC |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Tue Apr 1 17:32:40 2025, in response to Re: I wouldn’t fly to DC, posted by Mitch45 on Tue Apr 1 15:59:10 2025. I may have missed the reference, but the contracts for spaceship freight are being finalized.It's ashame there's so much fake crap in the world that this type of thing isn't common knowledge. Same with the potential to cure blindness and paralysis just around the corner. |
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Re: I wouldn't fly to DC |
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Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Tue Apr 1 18:29:04 2025, in response to Re: I wouldn't fly to DC, posted by Orange Blossom Special on Tue Apr 1 17:31:21 2025. BIG IAWTP |
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Re: I wouldn’t fly to DC |
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Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Tue Apr 1 18:29:23 2025, in response to Re: I wouldn’t fly to DC, posted by Orange Blossom Special on Tue Apr 1 17:32:40 2025. IAWTP |
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Re: I wouldn't fly to DC |
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Posted by kew gardens teleport on Thu Apr 3 05:23:21 2025, in response to Re: I wouldn't fly to DC, posted by Mitch45 on Sun Mar 30 19:53:22 2025. IAWTP. Trains are just better in every way. |
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Re: I wouldn't fly to DC |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Thu Apr 3 07:00:01 2025, in response to Re: I wouldn't fly to DC, posted by Mitch45 on Sun Mar 30 19:53:22 2025. I marvel at how well planes get you across oceans or to different parts of the world. It's quite a feeling when flying over to Europe to find that you had almost a full day in New York and now you're having almost a full day in whatever European city even though it's the very next day. And then coming back you can have a leisurely breakfast in Europe and often still have a leisurely dinner in NY the same day.But if there was a train that took you across the ocean to Europe and got you there within a day or two and wasn't that much more expensive I'd probably use it. For more domestic matters, the heavy use of planes is because we don't have good rail. Rail doesn't really have to compete with the speed of planes for short-medium hops (not talking about coast-to-coast) but just compete with the speed of cars - but it isn't even doing that in the US. |
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Re: I wouldn't fly to DC |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Thu Apr 3 07:13:38 2025, in response to Re: I wouldn't fly to DC, posted by Orange Blossom Special on Mon Mar 31 09:39:36 2025. I heard mornings are better for avoiding delays. Even if crowds are quiet down in the afternoon, if the morning flights (inbound to your airport) had problems, now you'll suffer. At least so the logic goes. |
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Re: I wouldn't fly to DC |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Thu Apr 3 07:15:43 2025, in response to Re: I wouldn't fly to DC, posted by Mitch45 on Mon Mar 31 16:13:51 2025. Probably same reasons we don't have flying cars. Honestly IMO flight times are fast enough. Most people's complaints about flying are related to the accommodation and airport experience as opposed to flying time. They'd probably accept an additional 15 to 20 % of flying time if they could feel like royalty in the airports. |
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Re: I wouldn't fly to DC |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Thu Apr 3 08:46:57 2025, in response to Re: I wouldn't fly to DC, posted by New Flyer #857 on Thu Apr 3 07:00:01 2025. Even with rail, I worry about the cost prohibitation and logistics.From any city to Atlanta in the Southeast, which I think is a good one with Atlanta centrality, tickets for multiple people or a family may become silly expensive, and then there's the, "but I still need a car when I get there". making the 2-4 hours of driving preferrable. |
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Re: I wouldn't fly to DC |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Thu Apr 3 08:47:58 2025, in response to Re: I wouldn't fly to DC, posted by New Flyer #857 on Thu Apr 3 07:13:38 2025. So we have to wake up at 2:30am to be at the airport.At least there's no turbulance that early. |
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Re: I wouldn’t fly to DC |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Apr 3 11:14:29 2025, in response to Re: I wouldn't fly to DC, posted by kew gardens teleport on Thu Apr 3 05:23:21 2025. Was that your view of flying before 2001? |
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Re: I wouldn’t fly to DC |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Apr 3 11:15:22 2025, in response to Re: I wouldn't fly to DC, posted by kew gardens teleport on Thu Apr 3 05:23:21 2025. Sorry; wrong post I replied to. |
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Re: I wouldn’t fly to DC? |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Apr 3 11:15:47 2025, in response to Re: I wouldn't fly to DC, posted by Mitch45 on Sun Mar 30 19:53:22 2025. Was that your view of flying before 2001? |
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Re: I wouldn't fly to DC |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Thu Apr 3 11:19:16 2025, in response to Re: I wouldn't fly to DC, posted by Orange Blossom Special on Thu Apr 3 08:46:57 2025. I agree.The national rail system should probably choose pairings of cities that are least car-dependent. That's why it works around Europe - usually neither the origin and destination require cars to get around and it's seamless transferring from local transit to the intercity train. |
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Re: I wouldn’t fly to DC |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Apr 3 11:57:30 2025, in response to Re: I wouldn't fly to DC, posted by Orange Blossom Special on Thu Apr 3 08:46:57 2025. If we had passenger rail back in the private sector, fares would be a lot lower.Remember, before Nixon created Amtrak, the passenger rail network of the USA was twice the size of afterwards. So why didn't he deregulate the railroads instead? which he could've done by EO. |
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Re: I wouldn’t fly to DC |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Thu Apr 3 12:11:42 2025, in response to Re: I wouldn’t fly to DC, posted by Olog-hai on Thu Apr 3 11:57:30 2025. "If we had passenger rail back in the private sector, fares would be a lot lower"Thats a pipe dream that will never happen. |
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Re: I wouldn’t fly to DC |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Apr 3 14:33:31 2025, in response to Re: I wouldn’t fly to DC, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Thu Apr 3 12:11:42 2025. Might seem that way 54 years after the fact. But look at what happened in Britain after Thatcher got rid of British Rail. Of course, the European Union tried reversing that by having their state-owned "companies" buy a certain number of the nascent resurgent railroads, but the private operators are still holding their own and they have a lot of passenger service with average speeds far exceeding ours.Not to mention, keep your eyes on Brightline. |
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Re: I wouldn’t fly to DC |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Thu Apr 3 17:40:03 2025, in response to Re: I wouldn’t fly to DC, posted by Olog-hai on Thu Apr 3 14:33:31 2025. If any potential private operators out there thought that they could make profit by running Amtrak they'd jump in with both feet and Uncle Sam would be happy to unload it. I'm surprised not hearing about Musk & Co looking long and hard with their pencil erasers at what the Govt spends to run Amtrak. |
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Re: I wouldn’t fly to DC |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Apr 3 22:10:07 2025, in response to Re: I wouldn’t fly to DC, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Thu Apr 3 17:40:03 2025. No, that's not how things work. The kind of deregulation that would make private passenger rail viable has never happened in the USA. |
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Re: I wouldn’t fly to DC |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Thu Apr 3 22:24:14 2025, in response to Re: I wouldn’t fly to DC, posted by Olog-hai on Thu Apr 3 22:10:07 2025. Deregulation is one thing. logistics are something else. Outside of the northeast, its the freight railroads that have the upper hand in Amtrak service. Its their game & their rules. If there were more dedicated Amtrak ROWs, that would make passenger rail more viable. Moving tonnage is their mission, not passengers. All things considered, as things are today were lucky to have any intercity rail service in the first place. |
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