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Boeing Grounds Dangerous New 787 |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Wed Sep 15 19:28:02 2010 Engine surge! Nice. Imagine that at 37,000 feet.story here |
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Re: Boeing Grounds Dangerous New 787 |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Sep 15 19:46:43 2010, in response to Boeing Grounds Dangerous New 787, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Sep 15 19:28:02 2010. Boeing grounded a test article to replace the surging engine, which is neither designed nor manufactured by Boeing. Test planes are, by definition, aircraft flown to discover and correct any hidden deficiencies or design flaws in airframes or powerplants, before the production models start coming off the line. Keep in mind the 787 is designed, as are most commercial jets, to be manufactured with several different types of engines, just like you can order your new car with several different tire options. This engine had a "surge", but guess what, that's not Boeing's fault.Nice try, Luch, but this is a molehill you're making a mountain out of. Nothing in the article, or the 787-8's history thus far suggests the aircraft itself is "dangerous". |
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Posted by Grand Concourse on Wed Sep 15 19:54:32 2010, in response to Re: Boeing Grounds Dangerous New 787, posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Sep 15 19:46:43 2010. Agreed. |
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Re: Boeing Grounds Dangerous New 787 |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Wed Sep 15 19:57:36 2010, in response to Re: Boeing Grounds Dangerous New 787, posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Sep 15 19:46:43 2010. The chances of dying in a plane crash are far greater than the stupid stats would indicate. They measure in miles and flights instead of aircraft.God bless the fools who fly. Something dangerous happens every FUCKING day. Check out this video. Look at the jetBlue Embraer backing off behind the Airbust. story here |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Wed Sep 15 19:58:49 2010, in response to Re: Boeing Grounds Dangerous New 787, posted by Grand Concourse on Wed Sep 15 19:54:32 2010. Based on what? We still don't know what caused an Air France Airbust 330 to drop from the sky. Lots of unairworthy planes in the skies, and you know it. |
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Re: Boeing Grounds Dangerous New 787 |
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Posted by cortelyounext on Wed Sep 15 20:25:41 2010, in response to Re: Boeing Grounds Dangerous New 787, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Sep 15 19:57:36 2010. The reporter in the link, Erin Maloney, clearly states it was a scary emergency landing and she is absolutely right. Those passengers have no idea just how close they came...As for the 787, that thing is dangerous. Check this clip out of the initial flight and you can clearly see something that looks like a piece of rope and a little ball trailing off the top of the tail. Somebody told me pilots refer to that debris as FOD (Foreign Object Damage) but apparently it got stuck on the tail and the airplane took off before anybody could get it. Speaking of rope, I wonder if the engine surge in New Mexico was caused by a little piece of rope you sometimes see wrapped around the cone in engine intakes. Unreal. |
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Re: Boeing Grounds Dangerous New 787 |
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Posted by Dave on Wed Sep 15 20:49:14 2010, in response to Re: Boeing Grounds Dangerous New 787, posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Sep 15 19:46:43 2010. PLEASE, JayZee...let's not confuse the issue with facts!“Power surges do occur,” said Fred Mirgle, retired chairman of aviation maintenance at Embry-Riddle Aeronautical University in Daytona Beach, Florida. “It’s not something that I would get really excited about.” What the heck does Mirgle know? Certainly not as much about aviation as our resident aerophobe. |
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Posted by Dave on Wed Sep 15 20:51:46 2010, in response to Re: Boeing Grounds Dangerous New 787, posted by cortelyounext on Wed Sep 15 20:25:41 2010. Two pilots, two opinions. My next-door neighbor, a recently retired senior AA captain who last flew left-seat in 777's, thinks the 787 will be a great airplane. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Sep 15 21:25:07 2010, in response to Re: Boeing Grounds Dangerous New 787, posted by Dave on Wed Sep 15 20:51:46 2010. Judging from the video, LOTTA bend on those wingy things. I think I'll take the bus. :) |
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Posted by Dan Lawrence on Wed Sep 15 21:37:30 2010, in response to Re: Boeing Grounds Dangerous New 787, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Sep 15 19:58:49 2010. PROFF, if you please, or stop with the aircraft posts. |
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Re: Boeing Grounds Dangerous New 787 |
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Posted by Dave on Wed Sep 15 22:01:30 2010, in response to Re: Boeing Grounds Dangerous New 787, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Sep 15 21:25:07 2010. And your expertise is....? |
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Posted by WillD on Wed Sep 15 22:02:52 2010, in response to Re: Boeing Grounds Dangerous New 787, posted by cortelyounext on Wed Sep 15 20:25:41 2010. As for the 787, that thing is dangerous. Check this clip out of the initial flight and you can clearly see something that looks like a piece of rope and a little ball trailing off the top of the tail. Somebody told me pilots refer to that debris as FOD (Foreign Object Damage) but apparently it got stuck on the tail and the airplane took off before anybody could get it.You are kidding, right? I'm way too goddamned tired to try to determine if this is sarcasm. It's pretty clearly a small ballute there to illustrate the vortices coming off the top of the tail. As the aircraft goes through testing they'll also be placed on the wingtips. |
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Re: Boeing Grounds Dangerous New 787 |
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Posted by WillD on Wed Sep 15 22:10:37 2010, in response to Re: Boeing Grounds Dangerous New 787, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Sep 15 21:25:07 2010. It's a supercritical wing with a raked wingtip. The supercritical wing creates less drag at low transonic speeds, where airliner's spend most of their time in the air. The raked wingtip reduces wake vortices, improving lift and reducing parasitic drag. If you have a problem with either improvement then I suggest you lobby hard for high speed rail, because the next generation of airliners, provided we don't go for Blended Wing Body designs for super-jumbo airliners, will almost exclusively use supercritical wings with raked wingtips. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Sep 15 22:11:24 2010, in response to Re: Boeing Grounds Dangerous New 787, posted by Dave on Wed Sep 15 22:01:30 2010. I'm channeling Luch ... oh wait ... found the remote ...Click! :) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Sep 15 22:12:27 2010, in response to Re: Boeing Grounds Dangerous New 787, posted by WillD on Wed Sep 15 22:10:37 2010. Hmmm ... two that missed the joke so far. :) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Sep 15 22:13:28 2010, in response to Re: Boeing Grounds Dangerous New 787, posted by WillD on Wed Sep 15 22:02:52 2010. Most of us are kidding ... |
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Posted by WillD on Wed Sep 15 22:47:03 2010, in response to Re: Boeing Grounds Dangerous New 787, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Sep 15 22:12:27 2010. My apologies. I left my sense of humor somewhere around the 12th hour of work when a helicopter on a dolly and its tug tried to run me over while I was fueling the tug. You'll have to excuse me if I didn't exactly pick up on your satire. |
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Posted by jimmymc25 on Wed Sep 15 23:00:46 2010, in response to Re: Boeing Grounds Dangerous New 787, posted by Dan Lawrence on Wed Sep 15 21:37:30 2010. Actually they make for fun reading.Jimmymc25 |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Sep 15 23:43:40 2010, in response to Re: Boeing Grounds Dangerous New 787, posted by WillD on Wed Sep 15 22:47:03 2010. Nah ... no prob! Merely commenting on a whole bunch of "today appears to have a prohibition on humor and I never got a memo on it" from numerous directions for some reason here today. And clearly there isn't going to be a cleanup on aisle four of the stupid spills which appear to have occurred just about everywhere in the past 24 hours.Sorry to hear that you got overloaded with stupid today as well ... |
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Posted by Grand Concourse on Thu Sep 16 01:33:16 2010, in response to Re: Boeing Grounds Dangerous New 787, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Sep 15 19:58:49 2010. Compared to being on the road, I think I would have a much safer trip in the sky. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Thu Sep 16 03:49:54 2010, in response to Re: Boeing Grounds Dangerous New 787, posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Sep 15 19:46:43 2010. BITCHASSNESS at work,dude.hes a idiot. |
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Posted by cortelyounext on Thu Sep 16 10:03:07 2010, in response to Re: Boeing Grounds Dangerous New 787, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Sep 15 22:12:27 2010. I second that emotion. There are a couple individuals who shall remain nameless that as often as not miss my satire as well but at least they write with some level of knowledge and understanding (Editorial Comment: I am fully aware that sometimes my satire is so dry the attempt at humor evaporates into the ether). Anyway, some time ago there were a couple individuals, one who left the station on the B7, who attempted to speak with expertise about all things aviation, be it aerodynamics, avionics, ergonomics, and countless other -ics. I'd correct the misinformation but all I'd get in response were accusations of being totally clueless. Since the back and forth accomplished absolutely nothing I learned to read the posts and withhold any further comment. Of course, the thread continued without my input and all I could do was shake my head in amazement. I try to avoid speaking about subjects I really have no business discussing. At least pretend to do some basic research before entering the fray. It might help if people take into account their audience. |
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Posted by JohnL on Thu Sep 16 11:20:01 2010, in response to Re: Boeing Grounds Dangerous New 787, posted by Edwards! on Thu Sep 16 03:49:54 2010. e try, Luch, but this is a molehill you're making a mountain out of.If this is what you’re complaining about, then I disagree. Part of a genuine discussion is criticising what people write. JayZee refutes Luch’s comments intelligently. It’s not the stupid name-calling that you’re (justly IMHO) complaining about. I think you should look elsewhere, since there’s no shortage to find! |
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Posted by FYBklyn1959 on Thu Sep 16 15:39:04 2010, in response to Re: Boeing Grounds Dangerous New 787, posted by jimmymc25 on Wed Sep 15 23:00:46 2010. Yep. Actually, (and I'm probably wrong) at this juncture, part of Luch's posts might be self-parodying (i.e., beating us to the punch) :) |
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Posted by cortelyounext on Thu Sep 16 15:58:44 2010, in response to Re: Boeing Grounds Dangerous New 787, posted by WillD on Wed Sep 15 22:02:52 2010. Right. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Sep 16 16:04:23 2010, in response to Re: Boeing Grounds Dangerous New 787, posted by cortelyounext on Thu Sep 16 10:03:07 2010. Dammit! Now you dragged out the "ether" ... it'd had better be on a kerchief headed for somebody's nose or you're about to be flagged as JournalSquareKCar! :)FWIW, most comedy (particularly on the talking lamp) consists of a main character who goes above and beyond the pale of stupid in order to act as a foil (airfoil?) for the supporting cast. It's rare when you can find a show budget for a very large ensemble which exceeds the cast of SNL in its heyday ... so STFU and pass the popcorn! Heh. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Thu Sep 16 16:30:01 2010, in response to Re: Boeing Grounds Dangerous New 787, posted by FYBklyn1959 on Thu Sep 16 15:39:04 2010. "self-parodying"?Nah. You know that American and Southwest were fined and had planes ground. That's why I said that there are unairworthy planes up there. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Sep 16 17:16:52 2010, in response to Re: Boeing Grounds Dangerous New 787, posted by FYBklyn1959 on Thu Sep 16 15:39:04 2010. New and improved! FREE broken glass in every bite! :)
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Re: Boeing Grounds Dangerous New 787? |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jan 21 22:37:08 2025, in response to Boeing Grounds Dangerous New 787, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Sep 15 19:28:02 2010. Currently about 1,116 787s in service on the planet. |
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Posted by cortelyounext on Wed Jan 22 10:20:30 2025, in response to Boeing Grounds Dangerous New 787, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Sep 15 19:28:02 2010. I noticed you left The Honorable Messenger WillD off your List of Liberals and the Giannini Crew List, most likely an oversight in both cases. I once caught him posting an article from Salon in a political thread.WillD, along with you, JayZeeBMT, Dave from the Metroplex, trains61, mtk, and that Phoenix Sky Harbor guy who once posted a picture from a log cabin on a juniper-covered Arizona mountain ridge, knows a lot about aviation. WillD: "It's a supercritical wing with a raked wingtip. The supercritical wing creates less drag at low transonic speeds, where airliner's spend most of their time in the air. The raked wingtip reduces wake vortices, improving lift and reducing parasitic drag." cortelyounext (a generational talent much like Jayman, who is a genius): "As for the 787, that thing is dangerous. Check this clip out of the initial flight and you can clearly see something that looks like a piece of rope and a little ball trailing off the top of the tail. Somebody told me pilots refer to that debris as FOD (Foreign Object Damage) but apparently it got stuck on the tail and the airplane took off before anybody could get it." WillD "You are kidding, right? I'm way too goddamned tired to try to determine if this is sarcasm. It's pretty clearly a small ballute there to illustrate the vortices coming off the top of the tail. As the aircraft goes through testing they'll also be placed on the wingtips." LuchAAA "The chances of dying in a plane crash are far greater than the stupid stats would indicate. They measure in miles and flights instead of aircraft... God bless the fools who fly... Something dangerous happens every FUCKING day." For inexplicable reasons, there are still people on this board who do not get it. |
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Re: Boeing Grounds Dangerous New 787 |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Wed Jan 22 10:51:19 2025, in response to Re: Boeing Grounds Dangerous New 787, posted by cortelyounext on Wed Jan 22 10:20:30 2025. willd is my favorite engineer.luch, to his defense, it isn't about the aircraft so much as the problems under mayor buttface's ATC and FAA system. People in Austin....anonymous sources.... state it's a miracle something bad hasn't happened yet there. So many close calls. |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Wed Jan 22 10:52:00 2025, in response to Re: Boeing Grounds Dangerous New 787, posted by Orange Blossom Special on Wed Jan 22 10:51:19 2025. Furthermore, and I bring this up quite frequently, remember that Trump wanted to fix and modernize the system.It was struck down by spider-pig, schumer, jayzeebmt and others. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Wed Jan 22 11:45:48 2025, in response to Re: Boeing Grounds Dangerous New 787, posted by cortelyounext on Wed Jan 22 10:20:30 2025. Did you hear about the SWA pilot arrested for DUI at the airport in Savannah? |
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