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Posted by Dan Lawrence on Wed Feb 2 09:14:46 2005, in response to Re: People abroad not liking us, posted by Alan Smithee on Tue Feb 1 23:33:39 2005. But, given human nature, it doesn't work as planned. Look at the old Soviet Union for a glaring example. If Marx was right, a paradise would come about, but he forget basic human nature. |
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Posted by Deaks on Wed Feb 2 11:58:59 2005, in response to Re: People abroad not liking us, posted by Fred G on Tue Feb 1 22:48:00 2005. Exactly, Fred. Who cares "what" I am? |
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Posted by Deaks on Wed Feb 2 12:00:23 2005, in response to Re: People abroad not liking us, posted by Rail Blue on Tue Feb 1 18:09:36 2005. Thankyou James. I also have a good grasp of the English way of life, for an immigrant. |
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Posted by M15 to South Ferry on Wed Feb 2 12:59:07 2005, in response to Re: People abroad not liking us, posted by tracksionmotor on Mon Jan 31 23:52:19 2005. Excellent history lesson! |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Feb 2 12:59:36 2005, in response to Re: People abroad not liking us, posted by Dan Lawrence on Wed Feb 2 09:14:46 2005. Communism, as envisioned by Marx, never quite happened anywhere. China probably came closer than anyone else, but even there the philosophy was bastardized by those who benefitted the most from its "packaging." |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Feb 2 13:03:44 2005, in response to Re: People abroad not liking us, posted by Deaks on Wed Feb 2 11:58:59 2005. "Either with us or against us" ... heh. We don't charge extra around here for the pilchards. :) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Feb 2 13:05:28 2005, in response to Re: People abroad not liking us, posted by M15 to South Ferry on Wed Feb 2 12:59:07 2005. Those who fail to learn from it watch Fox. :) |
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Posted by M15 to South Ferry on Wed Feb 2 13:06:49 2005, in response to Re: People abroad not liking us, posted by #4 Sea Beach Fred on Sat Jan 29 19:43:19 2005. IMHO = In my honest opinion, I think. |
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Posted by #4 Sea Beach Fred on Wed Feb 2 13:44:57 2005, in response to Re: People abroad not liking us, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Feb 2 13:03:44 2005. Just curiousity my man. I asked Deaks what his background was. There was nothing sinister about it. I take it he's foreign born and I just wanted to know what ethnic strain he was. Apparently he doesn't want to tell me and that the only info he wants to give is that he dislikes his adopted country. I don't need his nod to figure the latter out. |
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Posted by #4 Sea Beach Fred on Wed Feb 2 13:46:56 2005, in response to Re: People abroad not liking us, posted by Dan Lawrence on Wed Feb 2 09:09:54 2005. A Brit? Well, hell, why doesn't he just say so. At least Tony Blair and Great Britain are with us, and except for their ill-begotten strategy in regards to Ireland, I have always been fond of the Brits. Been there numerous times and even studied at Cambridge during the summer of '87. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Feb 2 15:06:11 2005, in response to Re: People abroad not liking us, posted by #4 Sea Beach Fred on Wed Feb 2 13:44:57 2005. Don't let it get to ya - there's folks who live in OTHER countries that hang out here too ... all citizens of planet Earth ... I figure if they don't mean me any harm, then they're all OK in my book. We all need each other ya know. I've always been of the belief that a "powerful" nation can afford to be agreeable and benevolent. Lately, I seem to be wrong but I'll get over it. :)I don't believe he's in the states though. Many people prefer another way of life, and another reality. No problem in my book. |
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Posted by American Pig on Wed Feb 2 18:13:21 2005, in response to Re: People abroad not liking us, posted by #4 Sea Beach Fred on Wed Feb 2 13:44:57 2005. he dislikes his adopted country.Where did he ever say he dislikes his adopted country? Where did he ever say he adopted a country? |
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Posted by Alan Smithee on Wed Feb 2 18:40:19 2005, in response to Re: People abroad not liking us, posted by Dan Lawrence on Wed Feb 2 09:14:46 2005. It does not work at the current time, but it is possible. Given a world with nearly unlimited energy, space and resources which is possible but a long way off then there would be no need for capitalism. People would have all that they would want without doing anything and without being a burden on society. The few jobs that can't be automated away would be filled by people who like to do them and like it better than an afternoon in the holodeck. |
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Posted by Richard Rabinowitz on Wed Feb 2 19:12:14 2005, in response to Re: People abroad not liking us, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Feb 2 12:59:36 2005. You mean the folks at Zhongnanhai? |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Feb 2 19:33:03 2005, in response to Re: People abroad not liking us, posted by Richard Rabinowitz on Wed Feb 2 19:12:14 2005. Heh. Not only is it a fashionable enclave for a ruling elite, but like everything else in China these days, FOR SALE!8mg Zhongnanhai is the mainstream product in Zhongnanhai series, it is a high-tech product developed by Beijing Cigarette Factory for many years with updated science and technology. It was awarded the national excellent cigarette in consecutive two years in 1999 and 2000, and was also granted famous and excellent cigarette in 2001. It has been exported and sold in Japan, US, Italy , South Korea, Hong Kong, and Singapore. "The low tar Zhongnanhai, featured with its design innovation and perfect taste, shows to the world that China tobacco industry has reached the advanced level in the international tobacco industry". Commented by international tobacco industry opinion leaders. Its tar content is 8 mg per stick; Nicotine is 0.8mg per stick. Raw material selection: carefully selected the best suitable leaf production land for blend type tobacco as its production base, set up R&D center, so that it can assure the quality is better. Taste: smelling better harmoniously and last longer; tasting more comfortable and more unadulterated. Quality: based on the ISO9001 quality control system and UKAS international quality management system, the company makes the best effort to assure the consistency of the products quality inside and outside. Style: utilizing high-tech ACF filter technology and tobacco leaf adjustment technology, the harmful materials such tar, nicotine etc. can be reduced to the lower level. Packing: designed by famous advertising design experts, the package appears fresh and elegant. In the 21st century, Beijing Cigarette Factory will implement its third enterprise reconstruction with improving branding culture, promoting branding image, making Zhongnanhai bigger and stronger. "Glorifying Zhongnanhai, Striding New Height." With all Chinese people together, Beijing Cigarette Factory will do everything as it did before to create the brighter future. |
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Posted by Dan Lawrence on Wed Feb 2 20:14:18 2005, in response to Re: People abroad not liking us, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Feb 2 19:33:03 2005. Headline in 2060: Lung cancer rates in China greater than any other country in the world.Absolutely amazing. The PROFF is already there for anybody interested, and all the baggage that goes with it. Perhaps China didn't go into the 21st Century with the reat of the planet. There, it seems to be 1950. |
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Posted by Dan Lawrence on Wed Feb 2 20:21:00 2005, in response to Re: People abroad not liking us, posted by Alan Smithee on Wed Feb 2 18:40:19 2005. Nope. Basic human nature won't change. It hasn't in thousands of years. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Feb 2 20:43:54 2005, in response to Re: People abroad not liking us, posted by Dan Lawrence on Wed Feb 2 20:14:18 2005. True, but compare to a first world nation working VERY hard to bring us all back to EIGHTEEN 50 ... :( |
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Posted by Broadway Buffer on Wed Feb 2 20:43:59 2005, in response to Re: People abroad not liking us, posted by Rail Blue on Sat Jan 29 14:02:40 2005. Bush could probably have gotten Europe to agree to the war if he hadn't been so bloody-minded about it.No, I disagree, France was making money off Saddam and therefore would have never supported us. Plus, most of Europe doesn't like us anyway. No matter how President Bush worded things, everyone who doesn't support us, would still not support us. I am glad your prime minister leans to the right when it comes to foreign policy aside from everything else. -James |
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Posted by M15 to South Ferry on Wed Feb 2 20:53:07 2005, in response to Re: People abroad not liking us, posted by Broadway Buffer on Wed Feb 2 20:43:59 2005. IAWTP I think you can also say the same of Germany, Russia, and China profiting from the Oil for Food scam. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Feb 2 21:02:40 2005, in response to Re: People abroad not liking us, posted by Broadway Buffer on Wed Feb 2 20:43:59 2005. Oh YAWN ... while you're all busy bashing France, why not read THIS from Dow-Jones news ... hypocrites. :(IRAQ: Oil-for-Food probe hits U.S. Oil Companies Exxon, Chevron and El Paso Are Named in CIA Report On Hussein-Era Program by By Jess Bravin in New York, John D. Mckinnnon in Washington and Russel Gold Dallas, Wall Street Journal October 13th, 2004 Federal investigators are focusing on four American oil companies and three U.S. citizens who allegedly received vouchers for oil from Saddam Hussein as he sought to flout United Nations sanctions. The U.S. attorney's office in Manhattan also is investigating corruption allegations against the former head of the U.N. Oil-for-Food program, Benon Sevan, according to a person familiar with the case. The U.S. companies -- including Exxon Mobil Corp., ChevronTexaco Corp. and El Paso Corp. or their predecessors -- and individuals were identified in the Central Intelligence Agency's 1,000-page report on the Hussein regime's campaign, though their names were redacted from the publicly released version. While confirming that sanctions had prevented Iraq from obtaining weapons of mass destruction, the report by arms inspector Charles Duelfer, released last week, described efforts by the Hussein regime to manipulate the Oil-for-Food program in its favor, circumventing U.N. mandates, and possibly U.S. law. A federal grand jury in Manhattan is investigating whether there was corruption in the Oil-for-Food program. Exxon, El Paso, and Chevron previously confirmed that they were among companies to receive subpoenas. Others identified in the Duelfer report as receiving the vouchers include Bayoil, a closely held Houston oil company, and three individuals who campaigned to end the Iraq sanctions: Oscar Wyatt, of Houston; Shakir al Khafaji, of West Bloomfield, Mich.; and Samir Vincent, of Annandale, Va. Together, the companies and individuals received vouchers valued at 111 million barrels of oil, according to the Duelfer report. Officials stressed that the allocation of vouchers -- negotiable instruments that could be traded for Iraqi oil -- wasn't necessarily criminal and that no one has been charged with an offense. In May 2002, a page one article in The Wall Street Journal reported that the Hussein regime had skimmed hundreds of millions of dollars and that several U.S. companies had been major consumers of Iraqi oil. The Duelfer report, which relied on captured Iraqi documents and interrogations of Mr. Hussein and officials of his regime, estimated the former Baghdad government had illegally collected $11 billion, in part by selling the oil below market price and receiving the difference through kickbacks. It also says Mr. Hussein gave oil vouchers to influential people and organizations overseas. The U.N. Security Council blocked Iraqi oil sales to punish Mr. Hussein following his 1990 invasion of Kuwait. During the 1990s, however, Security Council members such as France and Russia sought to end sanctions, contending they were harming Iraq's civilian population. As a compromise, the U.S. and Britain agreed to the Oil-for-Food Program, which was intended to allow carefully monitored sales of Iraqi oil to pay for humanitarian supplies. A U.S. Treasury spokeswoman said the department is reviewing the license it granted to those who participated in the Oil-for-Food program. A Chevron spokesman said yesterday that the San Ramon, Calif., company was cooperating with the investigation and added that "all purchases of Iraqi crude by ChevronTexaco were made in full compliance with all applicable laws." El Paso, of Houston, in 2001 took over the assets of Coastal Corp., a company once run by Mr. Wyatt. It has since sold off all its refining assets, according to an El Paso spokesman, who said the company is cooperating with the investigation. Exxon, of Irving, Texas, couldn't be reached; it previously said it was "responding appropriately" to the subpoena. In recent days, a lawyer for Bayoil, John Kotelly, wouldn't say whether that company had received a subpoena. The individuals named couldn't be reached for comment. It is unclear how the investigation will affect the companies named. Big publicly traded oil companies have been under increasing pressure to line up new supplies as reserves in more-stable regions have declined, and this search often puts them in contact with countries with unstable political systems and histories of corruption. It isn't unusual for the companies to face subpoenas and investigations as a result. Major oil companies have extensive written policies prohibiting bribing officials or violating international sanctions. The Duelfer report lists hundreds of foreign companies and individuals who allegedly received Iraqi oil vouchers -- including Mr. Sevan -- but not the U.S. companies and citizens. The names were included in versions sent to congressional committees, however, and officials confirmed their accuracy. Many of the names were disclosed in January, when documents purportedly taken from Iraqi oil-ministry files were published in an Iraqi newspaper. Mr. Sevan, a Cypriot and a career U.N. official, has denied wrongdoing. Although high-ranking U.N. officers enjoy diplomatic immunity from prosecution, U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan has said he will waive the immunity for any U.N. employee an independent panel appointed by Mr. Annan and headed by Paul Volcker, former chairman of the Federal Reserve, finds has broken the law. Citing former Iraqi officials, the Duelfer report says Mr. Sevan received vouchers for 13 million barrels of oil and redeemed 7.3 million barrels. Copyright © 2004 Dow Jones & Company, Inc. |
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Posted by BMT Dude on Wed Feb 2 21:50:39 2005, in response to Re: People abroad not liking us, posted by #4 Sea Beach Fred on Wed Feb 2 13:44:57 2005. Hey, maybe he's a dago like you, Fred.Mr. Lets-Put-Everyone-in-a-Category-Fred. hahahahaha! |
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Posted by Fred G on Thu Feb 3 06:52:21 2005, in response to Re: People abroad not liking us, posted by Deaks on Wed Feb 2 11:58:59 2005. It's just sequence of thought. Find out what group you belong to before you can be liked or not.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by Dan Lawrence on Thu Feb 3 10:44:21 2005, in response to Re: People abroad not liking us, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Feb 2 20:43:54 2005. Can I get dropped off in Richmond in 1888? |
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Posted by Alan Smithee on Thu Feb 3 16:17:43 2005, in response to Re: People abroad not liking us, posted by Dan Lawrence on Wed Feb 2 20:21:00 2005. What does "basic human nature" have to do with it? If anything human nature would make the society I described better than a capitalist one with the same technology. |
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Posted by Richard Rabinowitz on Thu Feb 3 16:39:36 2005, in response to Re: People abroad not liking us, posted by Dan Lawrence on Thu Feb 3 10:44:21 2005. What's in Richmond in 1888? |
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Posted by Dan Lawrence on Thu Feb 3 19:03:52 2005, in response to Re: People abroad not liking us, posted by Richard Rabinowitz on Thu Feb 3 16:39:36 2005. Frank J. Sprague and the Richmond Union Passenger Railway.Know your electric railway history. |
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Posted by Broadway Buffer on Thu Feb 3 19:43:31 2005, in response to Re: People abroad not liking us, posted by M15 to South Ferry on Wed Feb 2 20:53:07 2005. Absolutely! I hope the UN doesn't try any of that w/ the big bucks in Tsunami Aid they've been getting.-James |
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Posted by Broadway Buffer on Thu Feb 3 19:54:58 2005, in response to Re: People abroad not liking us, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Feb 2 21:02:40 2005. while you're all busy bashing France, why not read THIS from Dow-Jones newsWell, thanks for the report, and I'm sure it's true that those companies did profiting form the program like I won't deny the way Haliburton profits from the war. But the French clearly don't like us and did probabaly a lot more profiting from Saddam than anyone over here did. And I think to interpret what I said as "bashing" the French was a bit much considering I was just stating a fact. They don't like me and I don't like them. -James |
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Posted by Broadway Buffer on Thu Feb 3 19:56:31 2005, in response to Re: People abroad not liking us, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Feb 2 21:02:40 2005. Corrected spellingwhile you're all busy bashing France, why not read THIS from Dow-Jones news Well, thanks for the report, and I'm sure it's true that those companies did profiting form the program like I won't deny the way Haliburton profits from the war. But the French clearly don't like us and did probably a lot more profiting from Saddam than anyone over here did. And I think to interpret what I said as "bashing" the French was a bit much considering I was just stating a fact. They don't like me and I don't like them. -James |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Feb 3 20:31:06 2005, in response to Re: People abroad not liking us, posted by Dan Lawrence on Thu Feb 3 10:44:21 2005. I believe it's a thru-express, and you'll need to work the Jefferson Davis campaign first and wait for an appointment. :)It may have taken 140 years for the subterfuge to work, but apparently the south DID win the "war between the states" after all. :( |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Feb 3 21:06:48 2005, in response to Re: People abroad not liking us, posted by Broadway Buffer on Thu Feb 3 19:54:58 2005. Sorry, didn't mean it as a personal comment about France - there's a lot of bashing without understanding the broader picture. France's "sphere of influence" has long been the sub-Sahara and parts of the Middle East just as ours is the "Americas" and before we can bash the French for their involvement in the Middle East, it behooves us to look at some of our own destructive behaviors in the Americas. France has its national interests and we have ours and sometimes they conflict.Generally, the French still LIKE us, but are frustrated by some of the thing we do just as we are frustrated by some of the things THEY do. I'm sure they're as confused by our attitudes as we are by theirs. But STILL, we should be able to work them out. But while we're pointing fingers as a nation, we're not quite as squeaky clean as we might like to imagine ourselves. There's a mess out there, largely of our own making. It'd be nice if we could all work together to sort them out. That's the only point I was trying to make. Last thing we all need is to make MORE enemies among the nations of the world. The "yahoo cowboy" mode isn't selling well ... |
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Posted by Richard Rabinowitz on Thu Feb 3 21:21:46 2005, in response to Re: People abroad not liking us, posted by Dan Lawrence on Thu Feb 3 19:03:52 2005. OIC. The first trolleys, eh? Mind if I make a suggestion? Wind back your clock another 20 years and aim at lower Manhattan. Look up. |
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Posted by Richard Rabinowitz on Thu Feb 3 21:36:11 2005, in response to Re: People abroad not liking us, posted by Richard Rabinowitz on Thu Feb 3 21:21:46 2005. THE NEW YORK TIMES · TUESDAY SEPTEMBER 7TH, 1869THE ELEVATED RAILWAY Successful Trial Trips of the West Side Railroad in Greenwich-Street The Line to be Completed by November Description of the Means by Which the Cars are to be Driven Names of the Stockholders and Officers of the Company Trial-trips were made on the new West Side and Yonkers Patent Railway in Greenwich-street yesterday, in which several stockholders of the Company and other invited guests participated. The first section of the road, from the Battery to Cortlandt-street, is completed, and posts for receiving the rails are erected, and many of the rails are laid on the next section, from Cortlandt-street to Thirtieth-street. It is anticipated that the road will be in condition for the transportation of passengers from the Battery to Thirtieth-street by the first day of November next. For the present route of travel will be over a single track; but it is intended, eventually, to construct another track on the west side of Greenwich-street and Ninth-avenue, and along the whole route to Yonkers, to be used, for cars returning to the starting point, while the present one will be confined solely to the carrying of passengers going north. The experimental trips made gave ample satisfaction to all who passed over the route, and the opinion was universally expressed that, if the construction of the road over the remaining sections be as well done as on the first, the enterprise will prove to be a complete success. The riding was remarkably smooth and easy, and the speed satisfactory. The rate at which the car was yesterday operated was fifteen miles per hour. Twenty miles can be made, if required, just as easily. It is not intended, however, that the rate of travel shall, ordinarily, exceed that of yesterday. The mode of propulsion is an "endless chain," so called, but really a wire rope, which passes over a drum at either end of the section, and runs thence between the rails over which the car moves; the motor being a steam engine underneath the sidewalk at the corner of Greenwich and Cortlandt streets. To this wire ropes are attached, at distances of 150 feet apart, small iron uprights, or projections, running on wheels on a narrow track provided expressly for the purpose, the rails of which are about sixteen inches apart. Pendant from the bottom of the car is an iron beam that may be thrown out or drawn inward by operating a brake at the end of the car, and when thrown out, is the material against which the upright presses itself, and thus forces the car onward. On reaching the end of any section these uprights follow the direction of the endless rope, and going over the curved line there, are reversed in position, and they then return to the large drum at the other end, where they are again, one by one, sent off on propelling duty as before. The car, meanwhile, passes over the space between the two sections (never more than the width between the opposite curbstones of a street, say twenty-five feet,) by force of the momentum it has gained, and at the next section meets one of the uprights attached to the rope traversing it and is thus propelled toward the terminus of that section. This proceeding is continued along the entire route. The engines necessary to operate this endless chain are to be located in Greenwich-street, at the corners of Franklin, Bethune and Twenty-second streets, the one corner of Cortlandt-street and Greenwich being placed there merely as the motor for the other half mile of the route, which according to the act of incorporation, had to be [several lines were not readable on microfilm]. The upright posts and the rails resting on them have been tested first at the place of manufacture, Buffalo, before shipment hither. The flanges of the wheels (every car being provided with eight double trucks,) are an inch and a half in width, which, added to the weight of the car itself, would seem to make it impossible that they should ever get off the track. In addition to this, the floor of the car itself sets very close to the rails, thus throwing the whole weight on that portion of each wheel which may be at the times in contact with the rail. Every other precaution that prudence or experience could suggest has also been taken. The sections are to be inspected by Commissioners appointed in the act of incorporation before the road is thrown open for regular travel, and no fares can be collected until the certificate of these Commissioners has been filed in the offices of the Secretary of State and of the Mayor to the effect that the road is in a perfectly safe condition. By the terms of the act, these Commissioners are compelled to test the strength of the road with a car placed upon the track loaded to a weight equal to at least three times the ordinary weight of a passenger car proposed to be used thereon, with its occupants. The cars, ten of which are already completed, are each calculated to seat comfortably forty passengers, there being seats across the end as well as at the sides, and also in the center . The rails are now arriving from Buffalo, and probably there will be a sufficiency of them here by Friday next to insure the speedy completion of the track to Thirtieth-street. Until the down-track shall have been laid there will be turnouts or sideways used at the Battery and at Thirtieth-street to enable the car to get into position for making return trips either way. When the road is put into full operation it is intended that a car will pass a given depot every eight minutes. The difficulty of steep grades is entirely overcome by the use of traction rope with stationary power, although at one point of the route the incline is 130 feet to the mile, and at its upper end in the neighborhood of Harlem, 280 feet to the mile. Another advantaged possessed by this mode of travel is its comparative freedom from noise, as well as the obviation of all delay in consequence of street obstructions, a matter which now seriously interferes with the transit of passengers by horse-car routes. The act of incorporation under which this Company is formed was passed April 22, 1867. It fixes the fare for each passenger for any distance within the limits of the City, not exceeding two miles, five cents; for every mile or fractional part of a mile in addition, thereto, one cent; provided that when the railway is completed and in operation between Battery Place and the vicinity of the Harlem River, the Company may at its option, adopt a uniform rate not exceeding ten cents for all distances on Manhattan Island. The Company is by the same act compelled to pay a sum not exceeding five per cent of its net income from passenger trains, into the City Treasury as a compensation to the Corporation for the use of the streets. The original stockholders of the Company were Messrs. C.T. Harvey, William E. Dodge, William H. Fogg, William H. Appleton, R. T. Underhill, John P. Yelverton, Turner Brothers, Chauncey Vibbard, Fred B. Fisk, John B. Murray, Wm. W. W. Wood, Moses A. Hoppock, John Perkins, Edwin Booth, D.D. Williams, Chas. D. Bigelow, De-Witt Clinton Jones, W. S. Guruee, S. M. Pettingill, John H. Hall, Alanson Trask, Isaac Scott, Stephen Cutter, D. Crawford, Jr., F. T. James, Frank Work, George L. Trask, H.F. Lombard, H. F. Spaulding, S. M. Pettingill, A. S. Barnes, R. P. Getty, and Samuel D. Babcock. The capital stock is about $1,000,000. The officers of the Company are: President, D. N. Barney; Directors, S. M. R. P. Getty, Pettingill. A. S. Barnes, Chas. T. Harvey, J. H. Benedict, and C. E. Miller; Secretary and Treasurer, H. W. Taylor; Manager and Chief Engineer, Chas. T. Harvey; Attorney , Edward C. Delevan; Counsel, Hon. Jos. S. Bosworth. The office of the Company is at No. 48 Cortlandt-street. -from http://www.nycsubway.org/irt/9thave/ |
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Posted by Dan Lawrence on Fri Feb 11 15:14:17 2005, in response to Re: People abroad not liking us, posted by Richard Rabinowitz on Thu Feb 3 21:21:46 2005. Charles Harvey and cable powered elevated.I know my cable and early electric railway history. I prefer electric. |
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Posted by DAND124 on Sat Jan 17 20:11:50 2015, in response to Re: People abroad not liking us, posted by L Train on Wed Jan 26 17:10:16 2005. Invading Iraq didn't help national security. |
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Posted by Dan Lawrence on Sat Jan 17 21:39:51 2015, in response to Re: People abroad not liking us, posted by monorail on Wed Jan 26 03:46:49 2005. You just may be right!!! A lot of people don't like us. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jan 17 23:12:12 2015, in response to Re: People abroad not liking us, posted by DAND124 on Sat Jan 17 20:11:50 2015. No, withdrawing from Iraq hurt our national security, dandnecropostingterroristlover. Ever might have thought that ISIS grew out of that branch of al-Qa'eda that Saddam was helping? (No; that would require critical thinking out of you, something beyond your ability.) |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sun Jan 18 04:36:16 2015, in response to Re: People abroad not liking us, posted by DAND124 on Sat Jan 17 20:11:50 2015. Invading a country shows military might. Demonstrating such helps keep a country safe. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Sun Jan 18 09:10:51 2015, in response to Re: People abroad not liking us, posted by LuchAAA on Sun Jan 18 04:36:16 2015. Invading Iraq exposed our weaknesses, not our might. |
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