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Posted by Nilet on Fri Apr 4 20:13:05 2014, in response to Re: This Actually Happened In America Today, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Fri Apr 4 19:59:22 2014. At this point, it's doubtful that you're a person at all— you're not posting anything that requires thought, you're just spewing up absurd insults that any bot could be programmed to.If you don't show some human thought, I'll have to ask you to prove that you are, indeed, human. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Fri Apr 4 20:14:47 2014, in response to Re: This Actually Happened In America Today, posted by Nilet on Fri Apr 4 20:13:05 2014. Lmao!!!! |
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Posted by Nilet on Fri Apr 4 20:15:14 2014, in response to Re: This Actually Happened In America Today, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Fri Apr 4 19:59:58 2014. Again with the "lol." |
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Posted by Nilet on Fri Apr 4 20:15:37 2014, in response to Re: This Actually Happened In America Today, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Fri Apr 4 20:14:47 2014. This is your final warning. Unless you stop acting like a bot, I'll have to bring out the CAPTCHA and ask you to prove that you're genuinely human. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Fri Apr 4 20:19:18 2014, in response to Re: This Actually Happened In America Today, posted by Nilet on Fri Apr 4 20:15:37 2014. Hahahahaha!!!!!! I almost bust a gut you poor soul. |
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Posted by Nilet on Fri Apr 4 20:25:09 2014, in response to Re: This Actually Happened In America Today, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Fri Apr 4 20:19:18 2014. Due to your bot-like behaviour, I'm going to need to verify that you're actually human before I continue.Please type the text you see in this image: |
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Posted by Nilet on Fri Apr 4 20:27:25 2014, in response to Re: This Actually Happened In America Today, posted by Nilet on Fri Apr 4 20:25:09 2014. If you're having trouble seeing the image, try here:
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Fri Apr 4 20:34:12 2014, in response to Re: This Actually Happened In America Today, posted by Edwards! on Fri Apr 4 18:27:09 2014. Perhaps....but race is already a federally protected class....so not in that form. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Apr 4 20:40:07 2014, in response to Re: This Actually Happened In America Today, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Fri Apr 4 20:34:12 2014. That's in contravention to the 14th Amendment. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Apr 4 20:58:08 2014, in response to Re: This Actually Happened In America Today, posted by Edwards! on Fri Apr 4 18:23:25 2014. Ah ... reminds me of the good old boys in Charlotte when they saw our plate and told us that they don't care for "homosexual Jew libruls" in God-fearing establishment. Yup ... musta been the beard. :-\ |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Apr 4 21:18:58 2014, in response to Re: This Actually Happened In America Today, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Apr 4 17:09:14 2014. The whole world is just like Long Island. :) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Apr 4 21:25:42 2014, in response to Re: This Actually Happened In America Today, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Fri Apr 4 19:59:22 2014. Point of order, Mr Chairman? There's no sane people here. :) |
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Posted by bingbong on Fri Apr 4 21:43:49 2014, in response to Re: This Actually Happened In America Today, posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Apr 4 21:18:58 2014. Nooooooononononono!!! I want off!!! i moved upstate because it wasn't LawnGuyland. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Apr 4 21:49:30 2014, in response to Re: This Actually Happened In America Today, posted by bingbong on Fri Apr 4 21:43:49 2014. Shhhhhh! Don't tell them. They'll want to find the bus too. :) |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Apr 4 23:11:47 2014, in response to Re: This Actually Happened In America Today, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Apr 4 20:40:07 2014. No, it's not. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Apr 6 14:06:09 2014, in response to Re: This Actually Happened In America Today, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Apr 4 17:46:35 2014. What are you saying? |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Apr 6 14:06:22 2014, in response to Re: This Actually Happened In America Today, posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Apr 4 16:43:32 2014. Bump. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Apr 6 14:11:42 2014, in response to Re: This Actually Happened In America Today, posted by Dan Lawrence on Fri Apr 4 19:29:24 2014. Wrong again Dan Lawrence. Answer the question. |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Sun Apr 6 14:36:06 2014, in response to Re: This Actually Happened In America Today, posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Apr 6 14:06:09 2014. What are you not understanding here? |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Apr 6 16:10:29 2014, in response to Re: This Actually Happened In America Today, posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Apr 6 14:06:09 2014. Namely that he's wrong and it can't be used to justify murder. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Apr 7 09:22:45 2014, in response to Re: This Actually Happened In America Today, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Apr 6 16:10:29 2014. Thanks. I figured that was the case, as per my prior posts. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Apr 7 09:23:16 2014, in response to Re: This Actually Happened In America Today, posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Apr 6 14:06:22 2014. Bump. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Apr 7 09:27:50 2014, in response to Re: This Actually Happened In America Today, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Apr 4 17:43:41 2014. Thanks. |
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Posted by The Silence on Mon Apr 7 10:21:58 2014, in response to Re: This Actually Happened In America Today, posted by JayZeeBMT on Fri Apr 4 13:11:07 2014. No.It doesn't. Did you actually bother to READ the law? Here it is in it's entirety Note section 3 A: State action or an action by any person based on state action shall not burden a person's right to exercise of religion, even if the burden results from a rule of general applicability, unless it is demonstrated that applying the burden to that person's exercise of religion in that particular instance is both of the following: (i) Essential to further a compelling governmental interest; (ii) The least restrictive means of furthering that compelling governmental interest. A "compelling government interest" includes things like life, limb and personal property. A photographer can refuse his servers to a gay couple on religious grounds and they can't sue him (the issue from New Mexico that STARTED this whole mess, seriously, why make such a big fuss when you can go find another photographer), but a person CAN'T use it to justify obvious criminal behavior like killing someone. If you're a doctor, you can't refuse to treat a dying patient because of your beliefs. Though as a doctor you shouldn't be doing that anyway. Also, as noted in section 2, the belief must be held "sincerely." you can't make stuff up or use other religious beliefs without proof they were yours before and remain yours now. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Apr 7 11:04:35 2014, in response to Re: This Actually Happened In America Today, posted by The Silence on Mon Apr 7 10:21:58 2014. He said his friends at "Lambda Legal" read it and gave him this interpretation. |
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Posted by Dave on Mon Apr 7 11:17:58 2014, in response to Re: This Actually Happened In America Today, posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Apr 7 11:04:35 2014. ROTFL!!!!!!!!!! |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Apr 7 11:26:45 2014, in response to Re: This Actually Happened In America Today, posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Apr 7 11:04:35 2014. More subjective "facts" instead of actual facts. |
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Posted by rkba on Mon Apr 7 12:28:07 2014, in response to Re: This Actually Happened In America Today, posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Apr 7 09:22:45 2014. Why do you hate gay people so much? |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Apr 7 14:32:03 2014, in response to Re: This Actually Happened In America Today, posted by rkba on Mon Apr 7 12:28:07 2014. ? |
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Posted by Nilet on Mon Apr 7 14:46:56 2014, in response to Re: This Actually Happened In America Today, posted by The Silence on Mon Apr 7 10:21:58 2014. A photographer can refuse his servers to a gay couple on religious grounds and they can't sue him...So you believe it's OK to discriminate against gay people? By the way, filing a suit to challenge an unconstitutional law happens all the time. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Apr 7 14:52:17 2014, in response to Re: This Actually Happened In America Today, posted by Nilet on Mon Apr 7 14:46:56 2014. So you believe it's OK to discriminate against gay people?Why would you accuse him of that? He's just pointing out what the law actually SAYS, as opposed to the hysteria of the law JayZee was claiming. |
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Posted by rkba on Mon Apr 7 14:55:17 2014, in response to Re: This Actually Happened In America Today, posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Apr 7 14:32:03 2014. The way you go after JayZee is just so obvious. Same thing with bingbong. You don't just disagree with their ideas; you hate them for who they are. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Apr 7 14:56:48 2014, in response to Re: This Actually Happened In America Today, posted by rkba on Mon Apr 7 14:55:17 2014. The way you go after JayZee is just so obvious. Same thing with bingbong. You don't just disagree with their ideas; you hate them for who they are.?????????????????????????????????????????? So you are insinuating that bingbong is a Lesbian? You do realize she's married to a SubChatter, no? |
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Posted by Nilet on Mon Apr 7 15:01:42 2014, in response to Re: This Actually Happened In America Today, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Apr 7 14:52:17 2014. The phrase I quoted was from The Silence, not the law. |
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Posted by Nilet on Mon Apr 7 15:02:47 2014, in response to Re: This Actually Happened In America Today, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Apr 7 14:56:48 2014. So you are insinuating that bingbong is a Lesbian?I'm not sure where this came from. |
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Posted by Nilet on Mon Apr 7 15:04:15 2014, in response to Re: This Actually Happened In America Today, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Apr 4 15:39:36 2014. Jury nullification is not. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Apr 7 15:08:59 2014, in response to Re: This Actually Happened In America Today, posted by Nilet on Mon Apr 7 15:01:42 2014. He was explaining the law AS WRITTEN with that example. How does that translate into how HE feels when he was just explaining the law, AS Written? |
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Posted by Easy on Mon Apr 7 15:10:35 2014, in response to Re: This Actually Happened In America Today, posted by Nilet on Mon Apr 7 14:46:56 2014. I'm almost of the opinion that businesses and private parties should be allowed to discriminate if they want. Pass a law that they need to post who they refuse to serve and let people decide if they want to support such a place. No blacks, no Jews, no gays, no women, no whatever.The government should never be allowed to discriminate. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Apr 7 15:12:19 2014, in response to Re: This Actually Happened In America Today, posted by Nilet on Mon Apr 7 15:04:15 2014. The law doesn't change anything about jury nullification. |
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Posted by Nilet on Mon Apr 7 15:20:35 2014, in response to Re: This Actually Happened In America Today, posted by Easy on Mon Apr 7 15:10:35 2014. I'm almost of the opinion that businesses and private parties should be allowed to discriminate if they want. Pass a law that they need to post who they refuse to serve and let people decide if they want to support such a place. No blacks, no Jews, no gays, no women, no whatever.The problem is that this only works if the bigots are a smaller minority than the people they hate. The gay population is pretty much fixed at ~10% of the total population, but I'd be willing to bet that more than 10% of the population is homophobic. A sign saying "no gays allowed" would attract more bigots than it turns away gay people. Plus, there's regional considerations; plenty of towns in the south have more racists than racial minorities and most businesses rely on local customers. |
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Posted by Nilet on Mon Apr 7 15:23:38 2014, in response to Re: This Actually Happened In America Today, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Apr 7 15:12:19 2014. Not directly, but people are subject to a wide range of social pressures. A law that hints (or says) that you can deny service to black people bolsters the cultural understanding that racism is normal and being a racist is socially acceptable, which in turn makes people more inclined to nullify when a white man kills a black man. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Apr 7 15:25:55 2014, in response to Re: This Actually Happened In America Today, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Apr 7 14:52:17 2014. IAWTP |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Apr 7 15:27:14 2014, in response to Re: This Actually Happened In America Today, posted by Nilet on Mon Apr 7 15:20:35 2014. A sign saying "no gays allowed" would attract more bigots than it turns away gay people.Perhaps in some Southern locations, but definitely not most. Most people could care less. Plus, there's regional considerations; plenty of towns in the south have more racists than racial minorities and most businesses rely on local customers. Yes, as I said too. That said, "racists" have nothing to do with gays. Being Gay is NOT a race. So all this talk about "racists and racist minorities is completely irrelevant to gays. Perhaps you mean bigots. And remember, people can't discriminate based on race anywhere. (Again, gays are not a race). |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Apr 7 15:27:38 2014, in response to Re: This Actually Happened In America Today, posted by rkba on Mon Apr 7 14:55:17 2014. Oic... |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Apr 7 15:29:36 2014, in response to Re: This Actually Happened In America Today, posted by Nilet on Mon Apr 7 15:23:38 2014. A law that hints (or says) that you can deny service to black people bolsters the cultural understanding that racism is normal and being a racist is socially acceptable,The law has NOTHING to do with race. Again, being gay is not a race. which in turn makes people more inclined to nullify when a white man kills a black man. Oh please. |
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Posted by Easy on Mon Apr 7 15:35:32 2014, in response to Re: This Actually Happened In America Today, posted by Nilet on Mon Apr 7 15:20:35 2014. Nah. Before these crazy laws the number of gays being turned away was very small for a country of 300 million people. I'm not for gay marriage so I probably fit your definition of homophobic and if I owned a business I couldn't care less about the sexual orientation of the person buying whatever I'm selling.I wonder if any subchatters have ever been refused service because of their sexual orientation and if so how it ever became an issue in the first place. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Apr 7 15:38:40 2014, in response to Re: This Actually Happened In America Today, posted by Easy on Mon Apr 7 15:35:32 2014. That's what I don't understand here. When you own a business, who the heck cares who comes and buys. Just come and buy. And that said, how would anyone know if someone is gay in the first place, who would someone's sexual orientation even come up when you are let's say buying milk? Who cares. It's so stupid. |
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Posted by Nilet on Mon Apr 7 15:41:49 2014, in response to Re: This Actually Happened In America Today, posted by Easy on Mon Apr 7 15:35:32 2014. I'm not for gay marriage...Seriously? If two people want to marry, what does it matter to you? |
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Posted by Nilet on Mon Apr 7 15:43:19 2014, in response to Re: This Actually Happened In America Today, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Apr 7 15:27:14 2014. Yes, as I said too. That said, "racists" have nothing to do with gays. Being Gay is NOT a race.I never said it was. It is, however, another demographic that faces discrimination. And remember, people can't discriminate based on race anywhere. (Again, gays are not a race). I was responding to Easy's post in which he proposed a hypothetical law that would explicitly allow racial discrimination as long as one's racism was declared at the outset. |
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Posted by Easy on Mon Apr 7 15:45:05 2014, in response to Re: This Actually Happened In America Today, posted by Nilet on Mon Apr 7 15:41:49 2014. Because I think that it will cause the end of non-religious traditional marriage.What does it matter to you if four people marry? What does it matter to you if a man and a woman decide to marry for a predetermined period of 2 years? |
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