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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Thu Apr 3 18:42:53 2014 Mississippi Gov. Bryant Signs 'Turn away The Gays' Bill Into LawBy Nathan James Mississippi Gov. Phil Bryant (R-Brandon) signed the "Religious Freedom Restoration Act" into law Thursday afternoon, making his state the first in the nation where people and businesses can refuse goods or services to anyone, based on a "strongly held religious belief". The bill, which was passed Tuesday by the GOP-dominated Legislature, is widely understood to be aimed at the state's LGBT community, and is the most far-reaching legislation of its type in the United states. Beyond merely legalizing discrimination, the new law grants people the ability to "defy any state laws, rules, regulations, and municipal and county ordinances", so long as such defiance was based on the "exercise of religious beliefs". Although supporters of the law claim the measure "only mirrors a federal law passed during the Clinton Administration", legal experts note that nothing in the federal religious-freedom statute allows or encourages discrimination. "This is a return to the Jim Crow era," said LGBT legal analyst Sheldon Green. "This law says it's OK to not only refuse service to a gay person, a black person, a woman, what have you, but allows them to flout the law and claim religious exemptions. I cannot imagine anything more dangerous." Governor Bryant, who took an active role in crafting the legislation, said "Today, I am proud to sign this bill, which will protect the religious liberty of all Mississippians." Advocates of the law, such as the anti-LGBT Family Research Center's Tony Perkins, clearly stated its intent before a crowd of fellow supporters in Jackson, the state capital. "Whether it’s someone like Pastor Telsa DeBerry who was hindered by the Holly Springs city government from building a new church in the downtown area, or a wedding vendor, whose orthodox Christian faith will not allow her to affirm same-sex ‘marriage,’ the provisions of RFRA would apply to prevent the government from discriminating against religious exercise," Perkins stated. ”The Founders never envisioned a government forcing Americans to choose between the basic teachings of their faith and losing their livelihood.” Legal scholars said the law was a "direct attempt to bypass earlier legislation, such as the Johnson-era Civil Rights Act" which ended segregation in Southern states during the late 1960s. "Now, when it will most likely be both seen and used as a shield against enforcement of civil rights laws (current and future), enacting it seems like a uniquely poor idea," wrote Jonathan Kendall, a former judge, to the state legislature. "This is an enormous step backward in American life and law," said Kevin Quigley of the LGBT Legal Rights Project. "If I were gay or lesbian and living in Mississippi, I'd be packing my bags right now." Mississippi is the first of over a dozen states with similar "Turn Away The Gays" bills pending before lawmakers, including Oklahoma, Missouri, Tennessee, Ohio, and Kansas. Nearly all of them have been introduced by Tea Party factions within the GOP. Mississippi's law takes effect on July 1. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Apr 3 18:52:12 2014, in response to This Actually Happened In America Today, posted by JayZeeBMT on Thu Apr 3 18:42:53 2014. Very helpful of them to provide such rich campaign material for the upcoming elections, no? :) |
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Posted by cortelyounext on Thu Apr 3 18:52:51 2014, in response to This Actually Happened In America Today, posted by JayZeeBMT on Thu Apr 3 18:42:53 2014. The Honorable Salaam Allah and I, among others, do not like the Tea Party but I think we disagree on the merits of this legislation. Many of my dear friends at United Van Lines are proud members of the LGBTQIA Community. |
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Posted by cortelyounext on Thu Apr 3 18:54:20 2014, in response to Re: This Actually Happened In America Today, posted by cortelyounext on Thu Apr 3 18:52:51 2014. We meaning he and me not me and you per se. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Thu Apr 3 19:31:30 2014, in response to Re: This Actually Happened In America Today, posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Apr 3 18:52:12 2014. Yes, and a wonderful incentive NOT to visit or do business with the state of Mississippi, or any of its corporations and institutions. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Thu Apr 3 19:41:14 2014, in response to Re: This Actually Happened In America Today, posted by cortelyounext on Thu Apr 3 18:52:51 2014. I thank you for your sincere and thoughtful expression of support. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Apr 3 19:54:22 2014, in response to Re: This Actually Happened In America Today, posted by JayZeeBMT on Thu Apr 3 19:31:30 2014. Is there anybody outside of Dumbfuckistan doing any business with them anyway these days? I mean ... that state's been a POS for a long time now. It's making Alabama look good. :( |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Apr 3 19:55:32 2014, in response to Re: This Actually Happened In America Today, posted by JayZeeBMT on Thu Apr 3 19:41:14 2014. Watch out for C-rtely-unext ... I warn you! He's got more cans of spray sanitizer in that truck than Felix Ungar! Step back! :) |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Thu Apr 3 19:59:31 2014, in response to Re: This Actually Happened In America Today, posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Apr 3 19:54:22 2014. True that. But I second Quigley's quote from my story in the OP: Anybody who is gay or lesbian, and lives in Mississippi, needs to relocate outside the state forthwith.My big concern is that enactment of this law will encourage the OTHER sixteen states considering it, to do likewise, making a goodly portion of the country patently unsafe for people like me. |
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Posted by cortelyounext on Thu Apr 3 20:00:55 2014, in response to Re: This Actually Happened In America Today, posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Apr 3 19:55:32 2014. Watch out for C-rtely-unext ... I warn you!.Yeah. |
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Posted by cortelyounext on Thu Apr 3 20:03:33 2014, in response to Re: This Actually Happened In America Today, posted by cortelyounext on Thu Apr 3 20:00:55 2014.  |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Apr 3 20:07:11 2014, in response to Re: This Actually Happened In America Today, posted by JayZeeBMT on Thu Apr 3 19:59:31 2014. You KNOW at least 6 of them are good for it. What amazes me to no end is that our faithful teabaggers are pulling this shit with only months to go before they THINK they're going to take over the Senate. Therefore, I *encourage* them to go balls to the wall, pedal to the metal, ramming speed ahead! :) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Apr 3 20:09:44 2014, in response to Re: This Actually Happened In America Today, posted by cortelyounext on Thu Apr 3 20:00:55 2014. DAMMIT! I JUST cleaned that up! GO to your room, mister! (bonus credit - look at whose site I lifted that from) |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Apr 3 20:11:55 2014, in response to Re: This Actually Happened In America Today, posted by JayZeeBMT on Thu Apr 3 19:59:31 2014. making a goodly portion of the country patently unsafe for people like me.How in the heck did you come to that conclusion??? |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Apr 3 20:12:29 2014, in response to Re: This Actually Happened In America Today, posted by cortelyounext on Thu Apr 3 20:03:33 2014. 
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Thu Apr 3 20:15:03 2014, in response to Re: This Actually Happened In America Today, posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Apr 3 20:07:11 2014. I've been asked, FOUR times already this afternoon, if I would participate in a campaign to cite my "religious beliefs" against Tea Partiers. Given how eager they are to use hate to galvanize their base, I'm wondering if that wouldn't be such a bad idea.On a related note, watch the "mainstream media" in the coming weeks. I'm about to produce an event that will make history this June, and have the Tea Partiers running screaming into the night. It involves a VERY old, VERY conservative institution, which is going to host an LGBT event for the first time ever. Limbaugh and Beck will know my name, and be VERY upset about it. :) |
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Posted by Nilet on Thu Apr 3 20:16:43 2014, in response to Re: This Actually Happened In America Today, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Apr 3 20:11:55 2014. making a goodly portion of the country patently unsafe for people like me.How in the heck did you come to that conclusion??? Well, presumably he's black or gay or some other demographic subject to discrimination, and if one is subject to discrimination then the conclusion that it is unsafe to visit an area where that discrimination is codified into law is obvious. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Thu Apr 3 20:21:24 2014, in response to Re: This Actually Happened In America Today, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Apr 3 20:11:55 2014. Laws like Mississippi's give the imprimatur of legality to greater and greater expressions of hatred, which can be exempted from judicial action by claiming "religious belief". The Mississippi law allows people to exempt their actions from every OTHER "state, local or municipal law, rule, or regulation", so long as they claim religious belief.This means, according to my friends at Lambda Legal, a person in Mississippi can claim they were following Biblical edicts by putting a gay man to death, and avoid a murder charge. That is hardly a condition I would call "safe". |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Apr 3 20:24:11 2014, in response to Re: This Actually Happened In America Today, posted by JayZeeBMT on Thu Apr 3 20:15:03 2014. Heh. Atta boy! Nothing I enjoy more than railfanning the butthurt express. :) |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Thu Apr 3 20:25:48 2014, in response to This Actually Happened In America Today, posted by JayZeeBMT on Thu Apr 3 18:42:53 2014. ok |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Thu Apr 3 20:27:17 2014, in response to Re: This Actually Happened In America Today, posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Apr 3 20:24:11 2014. LOL! :) |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Thu Apr 3 20:30:43 2014, in response to Re: This Actually Happened In America Today, posted by JayZeeBMT on Thu Apr 3 19:31:30 2014. And what busineas would have you been doing there anyway? Its like a vegetarian boycotting outback Steak House. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Thu Apr 3 20:32:29 2014, in response to Re: This Actually Happened In America Today, posted by JayZeeBMT on Thu Apr 3 20:21:24 2014. Like you were going to visit or move to Mississippi anyway. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Thu Apr 3 20:37:03 2014, in response to This Actually Happened In America Today, posted by JayZeeBMT on Thu Apr 3 18:42:53 2014. They are a big abortion state too. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Thu Apr 3 20:55:50 2014, in response to Re: This Actually Happened In Mississippi Today, posted by LuchAAA on Thu Apr 3 20:37:03 2014. Last I heard, Mississippi was still part of the United States of America. |
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Posted by bingbong on Thu Apr 3 20:57:39 2014, in response to Re: This Actually Happened In America Today, posted by JayZeeBMT on Thu Apr 3 20:55:50 2014. Not so much in spirit anymore.I hope you never get sent there on a story. That would be such a horrid choice to have to make......at risk of your life. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Thu Apr 3 20:58:18 2014, in response to Re: This Actually Happened In America Today, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Thu Apr 3 20:32:29 2014. How could you possibly know where my personal or professional life would take me?That's not even the point of my OP. My OP was meant to illustrate the lengths to which a modern American state government will go to reaffirm their "right" to legalize discrimination, and worse, under the guise of "religious freedom". |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Thu Apr 3 21:00:07 2014, in response to Re: This Actually Happened In America Today, posted by JayZeeBMT on Thu Apr 3 20:58:18 2014. Nothing....buy even non-gays want nothing to do with mississippi |
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Posted by Dave on Thu Apr 3 21:14:06 2014, in response to Re: This Actually Happened In America Today, posted by JayZeeBMT on Thu Apr 3 20:21:24 2014. Your friends at Lambda Legal need to take a few more CLE's. |
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Posted by cortelyounext on Thu Apr 3 21:26:45 2014, in response to Re: This Actually Happened In America Today, posted by JayZeeBMT on Thu Apr 3 20:58:18 2014. Not to make light of the situation but in the highly likely event you do go down there to report confront protest call it what you will I hope you will seriously consider taking Greyhound or Amtrak or a boat to suitable harbors such as can be found in Pascagoula, Gulfport, Biloxi, or someplace like that. There is no need none whatsoever to consider any other mode of transportation. |
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Posted by TonyG on Thu Apr 3 22:05:09 2014, in response to This Actually Happened In America Today, posted by JayZeeBMT on Thu Apr 3 18:42:53 2014. A sad day for America. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Apr 3 22:41:33 2014, in response to Re: This Actually Happened In America Today, posted by TonyG on Thu Apr 3 22:05:09 2014. Even sadder day for the GOP once everyone gets wind of this. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Thu Apr 3 22:42:46 2014, in response to Re: This Actually Happened In America Today, posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Apr 3 22:41:33 2014. no one gives a fuck about this shit. it's getting stale. especially in Mississippi.time to move on to another cause. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Apr 3 22:46:47 2014, in response to Re: This Actually Happened In America Today, posted by LuchAAA on Thu Apr 3 22:42:46 2014. I suspect there's a number of folks who were sitting on the fence after Obama disappointed them and considered voting republican this time around. I also suspect that once they get wind of where the republicans are at and are going even further crazy, that they'll either vote democrat or won't be voting republican at all and just stay home. |
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Posted by Nilet on Thu Apr 3 22:48:48 2014, in response to Re: This Actually Happened In America Today, posted by LuchAAA on Thu Apr 3 22:42:46 2014. Yep. You're definitely racist.I'm no longer baffled as to why you vote Republican. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Thu Apr 3 22:50:33 2014, in response to Re: This Actually Happened In America Today, posted by Nilet on Thu Apr 3 22:48:48 2014. What does race have to do with a gay issue? |
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Posted by Nilet on Thu Apr 3 23:11:58 2014, in response to Re: This Actually Happened In America Today, posted by LuchAAA on Thu Apr 3 22:50:33 2014. It's not a "gay issue." The law allows business owners to turn away anybody as long as they say "religion" afterwards.If you genuinely believe that white people in Mississippi won't deny service to black people when the law says they can, then you must be a racist. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Apr 3 23:51:01 2014, in response to Re: This Actually Happened In America Today, posted by Nilet on Thu Apr 3 23:11:58 2014. Good to see the south is coming back again, GOP style. :(
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Posted by TonyG on Fri Apr 4 00:43:02 2014, in response to Re: This Actually Happened In America Today, posted by Nilet on Thu Apr 3 23:11:58 2014. Actually since blacks are a "protected" class under federal law, they can't turn away blacks under the guise of religion. They get away with this without using the term gay as gays are not a "protected" class under federal law. |
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Posted by Nilet on Fri Apr 4 00:55:51 2014, in response to Re: This Actually Happened In America Today, posted by TonyG on Fri Apr 4 00:43:02 2014. The law says they can.That blacks are a protected class is irrelevant— the business isn't turning anybody away because they're black (at least not officially), they're turning people away because their religious beliefs tell them to. That all the people turned away happen to be black is completely incidental, honest! |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Apr 4 01:18:29 2014, in response to Re: This Actually Happened In America Today, posted by TonyG on Fri Apr 4 00:43:02 2014. Race is a protected class, not "blacks." Don't fall for Ologic. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Fri Apr 4 07:11:31 2014, in response to Re: This Actually Happened In America Today, posted by Nilet on Fri Apr 4 00:55:51 2014. But blacks don't do anything against religious beliefs. This has nothing to do with race.Stop using the absurd....the law has enough to argue about without trying the absurd. |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Fri Apr 4 08:41:56 2014, in response to Re: This Actually Happened In America Today, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Thu Apr 3 20:30:43 2014. And what busineas would have you been doing there anyway?OK, so gays who don't live in Mississippi should just stay away. Should those who live there already just leave? Would you have said the same thing to black people 50 years ago? Its like a vegetarian boycotting outback Steak House. Outback allows vegetarians on the premises. They even have salads and fish on the menu! |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Fri Apr 4 09:19:05 2014, in response to Re: This Actually Happened In America Today, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Fri Apr 4 08:41:56 2014. Huh? I didnts say it in that manner. Why would anyone want to go to Mississippi....I surely wouldn't. |
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Posted by Fred G on Fri Apr 4 09:25:53 2014, in response to Re: This Actually Happened In America Today, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Fri Apr 4 09:19:05 2014. Mississipi will be a safe haven for homophobes.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Apr 4 09:47:43 2014, in response to Re: This Actually Happened In America Today, posted by JayZeeBMT on Thu Apr 3 20:21:24 2014. Uh huh. So you really believe what you just wrote? You really believe that a law was just passed that allows you to ignore all other laws? Seriously? Tell me. I really want to delve into this. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Apr 4 09:49:07 2014, in response to Re: This Actually Happened In America Today, posted by bingbong on Thu Apr 3 20:57:39 2014. Surely you can't be serious. |
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Posted by Nilet on Fri Apr 4 10:17:01 2014, in response to Re: This Actually Happened In America Today, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Fri Apr 4 07:11:31 2014. But blacks don't do anything against religious beliefs.You don't seem to be getting it. The law allows businesses to turn away anybody as long as they claim it's because of "religious beliefs." They don't have to explain what those beliefs are, and courts are specifically barred from challenging the legitimacy of religious beliefs anyway. Racists will ban black people because they're racist, and the law allows them to do exactly that as long as they say "I did it for religious reasons." |
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Posted by bingbong on Fri Apr 4 10:48:02 2014, in response to Re: This Actually Happened In America Today, posted by Nilet on Fri Apr 4 10:17:01 2014. Given that for generations up to a century ago preachers taught that blacks were inferior to whites, that old tome will be brought back again to resurrect Jim Crow. just wait. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Fri Apr 4 11:51:21 2014, in response to Re: This Actually Happened In America Today, posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Apr 4 09:47:43 2014. That's the language of Mississippi's new law, passed by its legislature and signed by its Governor. |
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