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Re: GOP-e tries to dump on the GOP base—again |
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Posted by bingbong on Mon Mar 10 14:20:38 2014, in response to Re: GOP-e tries to dump on the GOP base—again, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Mar 10 14:09:23 2014. Hardly. Just calling her batshit. Which she is. End of discussion. Facts are facts. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Mar 10 14:23:39 2014, in response to Re: GOP-e tries to dump on the GOP base—again, posted by bingbong on Mon Mar 10 14:20:38 2014. . . . and lies are lies, so stop telling lies. |
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Posted by bingbong on Mon Mar 10 14:23:59 2014, in response to Re: GOP-e tries to dump on the GOP base—again, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Mar 10 14:08:34 2014. No it isn't. He signed the Gore bill solely because he had to. He didn't have a snowball's chance in hell of passing his. The interstate highway project was one of the last New Deal projects ever done. Truman blew universal healthcare, which was another. Would have been easier to realign the healthcare structure then than now, after a generation +. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Mar 10 14:24:13 2014, in response to Re: GOP-e tries to dump on the GOP base—again, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Mar 10 14:23:39 2014. Well ... if Michelle Bachmann is sane, then I guess you are too. :) |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Mar 10 14:25:15 2014, in response to Re: GOP-e tries to dump on the GOP base—again, posted by bingbong on Mon Mar 10 14:23:59 2014. LOL! No president "has to" sign a bill. Eisenhower signed it because he wanted to. |
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Re: GOP *finally* declares open war on teabaggers and other crazies |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Mar 10 14:26:32 2014, in response to Re: GOP *finally* declares open war on teabaggers and other crazies, posted by cortelyounext on Mon Mar 10 13:34:06 2014. did you hear about MS13 winning the election in El Salvador?Abortion is illegal in El Salvador. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Mar 10 14:32:05 2014, in response to Re: GOP-e tries to dump on the GOP base—again, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Mar 10 12:05:44 2014. It's the only evidence left. FOX News used DMCA to remove all copies of the original recordings of what they said during the "Tea party" thing they created with Beck, and ordered all references to it taken off the internet. We watched Stewart and Colbert that night and it was there clear as day, "Look at all those tea partiers out there teabagging!"The original symbols of the "party" was to mail teabags to their reps in Washington and "teabag Washington" ... that FOX News had no idea of what they were saying until everybody else was giggling at them (including Maddow on MSNBC who really sent it up) is demonstrated in what's left to their own reaction to it all. The internet can revise history faster than you can say "Goebbels" and this is just another demonstration of how it works. :( |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Mar 10 14:34:05 2014, in response to Re: GOP-e tries to dump on the GOP base—again, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Mar 10 12:08:43 2014. Yep ... Arte Johnson whooped his ass. :) |
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Posted by bingbong on Mon Mar 10 14:34:36 2014, in response to Re: GOP-e tries to dump on the GOP base—again, posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Mar 10 14:24:13 2014. Conversely, if Michele Bachmann isn't ( which is the case), then....... |
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Posted by bingbong on Mon Mar 10 14:43:14 2014, in response to Re: GOP-e tries to dump on the GOP base—again, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Mar 10 14:25:15 2014. It would have been overridden if he hadn't. That would have made him look bad in an election year. The project was very popular. He did it for politica, not beause he wanted to. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Mar 10 14:53:08 2014, in response to Re: GOP-e tries to dump on the GOP base—again, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Mar 10 14:25:15 2014. Generals tend to have a clue as to when it's time to just sign the surrender papers. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Mar 10 14:53:11 2014, in response to Re: GOP-e tries to dump on the GOP base—again, posted by bingbong on Mon Mar 10 14:43:14 2014. Speculation. Fact is, he wanted the highway system and he got it. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Mar 10 14:57:58 2014, in response to Re: GOP-e tries to dump on the GOP base—again, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Mar 10 14:53:11 2014. No, Eisenhower wanted the railroads made whole again after all they did for the war effort. It was the military industrial complex that wanted the highway bill instead since the Bechtels of the world saw huge dollar signs there. And Eisenhower was pretty pissed about the Military Industrial Complex and their antics in general. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Mar 10 15:02:09 2014, in response to Re: GOP *finally* declares open war on teabaggers and other crazies, posted by cortelyounext on Mon Mar 10 13:34:06 2014. oh, did you see me thread about the woman in Brentwood who was victim of KO game? |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Mon Mar 10 15:29:55 2014, in response to Re: GOP-e tries to dump on the GOP base—again, posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Mar 10 14:57:58 2014. Eisenhower wanted the railroads made whole again after all they did for the war effort.Eisenhower was a big highwayman. His early army reputation for logistics was made, when he led the Army's cross-country convoy in 1919. Truman was also pro-highway. His career in Jackson County involved building the highway network. He was out of office for 2 years during the 1920's. He was hired by the Good Roads Association as a regional director. The Good Roads Association later became the AAA. FDR was pro railroad (except for the PRR.) His 1939 bill would have had users bear direct costs for highway use through tolls. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Mar 10 15:34:39 2014, in response to Re: GOP-e tries to dump on the GOP base—again, posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Mar 10 14:57:58 2014. Baloney. If Eisenhower was so pro-railroad, he would have vetoed every bill having to do with the highways. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Mar 10 15:37:53 2014, in response to Re: GOP-e tries to dump on the GOP base—again, posted by Stephen Bauman on Mon Mar 10 15:29:55 2014. Where was FDR pro-railroad? |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Mon Mar 10 15:42:34 2014, in response to Re: GOP-e tries to dump on the GOP base—again, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Mar 10 15:37:53 2014. Follow his father's money. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Mar 10 15:44:02 2014, in response to Re: GOP-e tries to dump on the GOP base—again, posted by Stephen Bauman on Mon Mar 10 15:29:55 2014. I think we're on two different pages here. Yes, the ability to supply troop movements in various ways (the Autobahn really impressed him) meant that highways similar to that was seen as essential logistics. However the railroads here got chewed up by WWII, and he recognized that. What he wanted was to reimburse the railroads for all the wear and tear and cut them some slack so they could rebuild after the war.The Gore bill did nothing for them. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Mar 10 15:44:59 2014, in response to Re: GOP-e tries to dump on the GOP base—again, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Mar 10 15:34:39 2014. Heh. And they would have just passed them over his head. Back in those days, you COMPROMISED to get what you want. |
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Posted by Dave on Mon Mar 10 15:50:45 2014, in response to Re: GOP-e tries to dump on the GOP base—again, posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Mar 10 15:44:59 2014. Back in those days, you COMPROMISED to get what you want.Compromise...how quaint.... |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Mon Mar 10 16:17:34 2014, in response to Re: GOP-e tries to dump on the GOP base—again, posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Mar 10 15:44:02 2014. The Gore bill did nothing for them [railroads].It wrecked them. he wanted was to reimburse the railroads... Several people have noted that Eisenhower's private views were far more progressive than his public stances. The rationale for these differences has been that he accepted his advisors' cost estimates for his momentary progressive impulse. Remember what Eisenhower's Secretary of Defence said: "What's good for General Motors is good for the country." |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Mar 10 16:38:09 2014, in response to Re: GOP-e tries to dump on the GOP base—again, posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Mar 10 15:44:59 2014. Speculation. Not that it matters; the signing thereof proves that he supported it anyway. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Mar 10 16:38:12 2014, in response to Re: GOP-e tries to dump on the GOP base—again, posted by Dave on Mon Mar 10 15:50:45 2014. That's OK. They keep proving that the interstate highway system is what Eisenhower wanted . . . which was my point to begin with. |
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Posted by mtk52983 on Mon Mar 10 16:46:37 2014, in response to Re: GOP-e tries to dump on the GOP base—again, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Mar 10 16:38:09 2014. Were you actually in Eisenhower's mind? If not then this entire thread, all sides of it, is pure conjecture |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Mar 10 16:52:46 2014, in response to Re: GOP-e tries to dump on the GOP base—again, posted by mtk52983 on Mon Mar 10 16:46:37 2014. Certainly is conjecture on the part of the other side of this argument, who is claiming that Eisenhower was somehow against the building of the interstates. All I'm saying is that he was for them; certainly his big trip across the USA before WWII was exemplary of his partiality for highways spanning the contiguous 48 at least. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Mar 10 16:57:27 2014, in response to Re: GOP-e tries to dump on the GOP base—again, posted by Stephen Bauman on Mon Mar 10 16:17:34 2014. Remember what Eisenhower's Secretary of Defense said: "What's good for General Motors is good for the country."Crony corporatism going back those days. Echoic of today's administration. |
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Posted by mtk52983 on Mon Mar 10 17:16:47 2014, in response to Re: GOP-e tries to dump on the GOP base—again, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Mar 10 16:52:46 2014. It is conjecture to say that he was for it because he signed the bill. He may not have liked what the bill stood for, but may have felt that it was better than nothing and he did not want to waste political capital on something that would have been overridden easily. As none of us were there, none of us can say for sure |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Mon Mar 10 18:27:42 2014, in response to Re: GOP-e tries to dump on the GOP base—again, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Mar 10 16:57:27 2014. Crony corporatism going back those daysWhat was it that Romney said about corporations being people? Contrast that attitude with TR's reply to J.P. Morgan, on the latter's White House visit regarding anti-trust action against Morgan's railroad trust. Morgan said, "Send your man to see my man and tell him to fix it up." Roosevelt's answer to that was, "That can not be done. Nobody treats as a sovereign equal to -- of the President. No company can presume to be -- no private interest can presume to be equal to the government. The government must be superior to all of these." |
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Posted by bingbong on Mon Mar 10 19:06:15 2014, in response to Re: GOP-e tries to dump on the GOP base—again, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Mar 10 16:38:09 2014. Hardly speculation, it's all history now. Very well documented history. |
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Posted by bingbong on Mon Mar 10 19:08:29 2014, in response to Re: GOP-e tries to dump on the GOP base—again, posted by mtk52983 on Mon Mar 10 17:16:47 2014. There's plenty of documentation to back up the fact that he signed it as a compromise, being unable to get his bill any traction. |
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Posted by bingbong on Mon Mar 10 19:10:08 2014, in response to Re: GOP-e tries to dump on the GOP base—again, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Mar 10 16:57:27 2014. ...and the last one, several before that and Reagan, naturally, who put Bechtel in the Cabinet. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Mar 10 19:59:39 2014, in response to Re: GOP-e tries to dump on the GOP base—again, posted by mtk52983 on Mon Mar 10 17:16:47 2014. It is conjecture to say that he was for it because he signed the billIt can be inferred quite readily from his past and his own statements. What's conjecture is that he was in any way against the notion of interstate highways, especially due to the lack of any proof and his verbal statements in favor. Never mind the fact that it bears his name. |
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Posted by RockParkMan on Mon Mar 10 20:12:04 2014, in response to Re: GOP-e tries to dump on the GOP base—again, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Mar 9 16:09:06 2014. GOP-e= GOP - Establishment??? |
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Posted by dand124 on Mon Mar 10 20:14:10 2014, in response to Re: GOP-e What is it?!?!?, posted by RockParkMan on Mon Mar 10 20:12:04 2014. the olog-hai at freerepublic also uses the term |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Mar 10 20:33:45 2014, in response to Re: GOP-e What is it?!?!?, posted by RockParkMan on Mon Mar 10 20:12:04 2014. Correct. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Mar 10 20:34:51 2014, in response to Re: GOP-e What is it?!?!?, posted by dand124 on Mon Mar 10 20:14:10 2014. Thanks so much for introducing us. Stalker. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Mar 10 20:34:58 2014, in response to Re: GOP-e tries to dump on the GOP base—again, posted by Stephen Bauman on Mon Mar 10 16:17:34 2014. Yep ... sure do. Remember his little ditty when he was leaving office about the Military-industrial complex? There's reasons for his disillusionment and completely walking away once he left office. That was part of it. Like I said, Eisenhower was a good man and was quite saddened in playing with the government. He couldn't get out of htere fast enough once he had a taste of it, particularly in his second term. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Mar 10 20:35:48 2014, in response to Re: GOP-e tries to dump on the GOP base—again, posted by Stephen Bauman on Mon Mar 10 18:27:42 2014. Damned communist! :) |
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Posted by RockParkMan on Mon Mar 10 20:36:09 2014, in response to Re: GOP-e What is it?!?!?, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Mar 10 20:33:45 2014. thank You. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Mar 10 20:36:46 2014, in response to Re: GOP-e tries to dump on the GOP base—again, posted by Dave on Mon Mar 10 15:50:45 2014. See? TOLD you I was old school. :) |
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Posted by RockParkMan on Mon Mar 10 20:38:14 2014, in response to Re: GOP-e tries to dump on the GOP base—again, posted by Stephen Bauman on Mon Mar 10 18:27:42 2014. That's why the GOP threw TR out resulting in TR founding The Progressive Party ("Bull Moose") |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Mar 10 20:38:23 2014, in response to Re: GOP-e tries to dump on the GOP base—again, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Mar 10 16:52:46 2014. I never SAID that. I said that Eisenhower had sympathies for the railroad since it was HIS Army that wore out their rails and equipment and he knew it.What I *did* say is that he had different plans for what turned out to be the Gore plan for construction of the interstates. HIS interest in it was largely military, not benefiting General Motors. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Mar 10 20:42:13 2014, in response to Re: GOP-e tries to dump on the GOP base—again, posted by bingbong on Mon Mar 10 19:08:29 2014. Nah ... these is modern times and the intertubes. History is whatever google finds of what bloggers in their twenties say it is. :-\ |
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Posted by bingbong on Mon Mar 10 21:00:55 2014, in response to Re: GOP-e tries to dump on the GOP base—again, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Mar 10 19:59:39 2014. Those highways weren't named the Eisenhower Interstate system until 1993, when those signs were put up. |
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Posted by RockParkMan on Mon Mar 10 21:37:46 2014, in response to Re: GOP-e tries to dump on the GOP base—again, posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Mar 10 14:57:58 2014. Eisenhower destroyed the railroads with GLEE. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Mar 10 21:40:02 2014, in response to Re: GOP-e tries to dump on the GOP base—again, posted by RockParkMan on Mon Mar 10 21:37:46 2014. Actually, not so much his idea as those around him. He understood that without the railroads, we couldn't have won the war. Generals know about logistics. Now the PRR didn't do themselves any favors either. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Mar 11 03:45:35 2014, in response to Re: GOP-e tries to dump on the GOP base—again, posted by mtk52983 on Mon Mar 10 12:14:54 2014. Even if you did, you wouldn't find it. Unless you read every delusion in his mind. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Mar 11 10:34:40 2014, in response to Re: GOP-e tries to dump on the GOP base—again, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Mar 11 03:45:35 2014. Evasion is admission. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Tue Mar 11 11:36:28 2014, in response to Re: GOP-e tries to dump on the GOP base—again, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Mar 10 11:52:02 2014. is THAT sour grapes i smell? |
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