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Posted by LuchAAA on Thu Apr 25 23:42:42 2013 He's getting a lot of publicity. I think it would be a big setback if he's convicted. Women should have a right to choose.link here |
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Posted by ClearAspect on Thu Apr 25 23:43:54 2013, in response to What Do You Think Of Kermit Gosnell?, posted by LuchAAA on Thu Apr 25 23:42:42 2013. Why are you a racist? |
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Posted by daNd124 on Thu Apr 25 23:47:44 2013, in response to What Do You Think Of Kermit Gosnell?, posted by LuchAAA on Thu Apr 25 23:42:42 2013. it's a fake controversy created by the religious right |
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Posted by Easy on Thu Apr 25 23:49:18 2013, in response to What Do You Think Of Kermit Gosnell?, posted by LuchAAA on Thu Apr 25 23:42:42 2013. He should go to jail for a long time. |
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Posted by Easy on Thu Apr 25 23:50:09 2013, in response to Re: What Do You Think Of Kermit Gosnell?, posted by daNd124 on Thu Apr 25 23:47:44 2013. Then he has nothing to worry about. |
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Posted by WillD on Thu Apr 25 23:50:48 2013, in response to What Do You Think Of Kermit Gosnell?, posted by LuchAAA on Thu Apr 25 23:42:42 2013. IMHO it's hilarious the religious wrong have decided to make a big deal out of his case. It's more a case about the need for the most marginal members of society to have unfettered access to the same medical care afforded those with health insurance and thus a powerful argument for socialized medicine than anything else. There are any number of other doctors in North Philly, and in low income neighborhoods around the country who charge virtually nothing, scam Medicare for whatever they can get, and perform procedures that are either unnecessary, dangerous, or some combination of the two.But hey, if the right wants to make the case for single payer healthcare to replace the DoleCare package we enacted in Obama's first term, that's just fine. |
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Posted by Easy on Thu Apr 25 23:52:53 2013, in response to Re: What Do You Think Of Kermit Gosnell?, posted by WillD on Thu Apr 25 23:50:48 2013. All of his "patients" were low income? I had heard otherwise and that the majority of his "patients" were white women. |
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Posted by daNd124 on Thu Apr 25 23:53:11 2013, in response to Re: What Do You Think Of Kermit Gosnell?, posted by Easy on Thu Apr 25 23:50:09 2013. i'm not talking about him i'm talking about the larger controversy. |
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Posted by Easy on Thu Apr 25 23:54:55 2013, in response to Re: What Do You Think Of Kermit Gosnell?, posted by daNd124 on Thu Apr 25 23:53:11 2013. I'm not religious and I think that it's terrible. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Thu Apr 25 23:55:36 2013, in response to Re: What Do You Think Of Kermit Gosnell?, posted by Easy on Thu Apr 25 23:54:55 2013. Did he joke, "One of them one so big I thought I'd have to take it to the bus stop"? |
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Posted by daNd124 on Thu Apr 25 23:56:08 2013, in response to Re: What Do You Think Of Kermit Gosnell?, posted by Easy on Thu Apr 25 23:54:55 2013. do you think the media isn't covering it because of pro-choice bias? |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Thu Apr 25 23:58:19 2013, in response to Re: What Do You Think Of Kermit Gosnell?, posted by daNd124 on Thu Apr 25 23:56:08 2013. Of course. |
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Posted by Easy on Fri Apr 26 00:02:07 2013, in response to Re: What Do You Think Of Kermit Gosnell?, posted by daNd124 on Thu Apr 25 23:56:08 2013. I haven't kept up with the news lately, but I have seen right wingers complaining about media coverage on the internet. I haven't given it much thought, but since you asked I would think that if the media in general really considered the deaths to be murder that they would certainly cover it more than they are. So it's obviously bias. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Fri Apr 26 00:06:08 2013, in response to Re: What Do You Think Of Kermit Gosnell?, posted by Easy on Fri Apr 26 00:02:07 2013. Of course it's media bias. It's not on their agenda.Idiot right-wing complains about abortion, then they want kids to earn their free school meals by mopping and sweeping. GOP in VA is proposing this. I don't get it. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Fri Apr 26 00:09:07 2013, in response to Re: What Do You Think Of Kermit Gosnell?, posted by Easy on Thu Apr 25 23:52:53 2013. Why confuse will with a few inconvenient facts. Also the severing of the spines of children to kill them because they had the bad timing to be born alive in front of Dr. Gosnell, is no big deal for will. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Fri Apr 26 00:11:42 2013, in response to What Do You Think Of Kermit Gosnell?, posted by LuchAAA on Thu Apr 25 23:42:42 2013. If abortion is made illegal, ALL abortions will be like those performed by Gosnell.This guy is Exhibit A for what a world without legal abortion would look like. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Fri Apr 26 00:15:09 2013, in response to Re: What Do You Think Of Kermit Gosnell?, posted by SMAZ on Fri Apr 26 00:11:42 2013. RED HERRING: That's not the issue being discussed |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Fri Apr 26 00:22:25 2013, in response to Re: What Do You Think Of Kermit Gosnell?, posted by Easy on Fri Apr 26 00:02:07 2013. also, it is the kind of story that Conservative Commentary thrives on. Lack of mainstream media scrutiny only convinces more people that it's a cover-up.Rush Limbaugh called the clinic a "House of Horrors". Hugh Hewitt, my favorite host, points out lack of media scrutiny. |
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Posted by Fred G on Fri Apr 26 00:36:44 2013, in response to Re: What Do You Think Of Kermit Gosnell?, posted by LuchAAA on Fri Apr 26 00:22:25 2013. Judge dismissed 3 out of 7 counts.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Fri Apr 26 00:42:26 2013, in response to Re: What Do You Think Of Kermit Gosnell?, posted by Fred G on Fri Apr 26 00:36:44 2013. I know you're rooting for him. It's in your DNA.I just don't give a fuck what happens to him. His case is just more proof of a MSM with an agenda. Thanks. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Fri Apr 26 00:48:10 2013, in response to Re: What Do You Think Of Kermit Gosnell?, posted by LuchAAA on Fri Apr 26 00:42:26 2013. The 3 charges that were dismissed were because the state did not prove that the 3 specific fetuses were born alive. However, one of his former employees has already testified that "Baby C" lived for 20 minutes before it was killed. It would also seem that the state proved that the other 3 were born alive as well. I think that he's toast. I also think that this should not become a referendum on legal abortion. Instead it should be a trial about infanticide - nothing more and nothing less. |
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Posted by Fred G on Fri Apr 26 00:53:54 2013, in response to Re: What Do You Think Of Kermit Gosnell?, posted by LuchAAA on Fri Apr 26 00:42:26 2013. I'm indifferent but pointing out that the info is readily available.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by WillD on Fri Apr 26 01:21:58 2013, in response to Re: What Do You Think Of Kermit Gosnell?, posted by Easy on Thu Apr 25 23:52:53 2013. The stories in the local media back when he was arrested stated that he preyed upon local lower income and that they made up a majority of his victims. I haven't seen a specific breakdown, but while it is clear there were some more affluent patients, they definitely did not make up a majority of his patients. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Fri Apr 26 01:28:44 2013, in response to Re: What Do You Think Of Kermit Gosnell?, posted by Easy on Thu Apr 25 23:52:53 2013. White women in Philly? I don't think they would go to his clinic anyway.Abortion started as a feminist goal. In the 70's abortion was for middle and upper-middle class females. Lower middle-class could not afford it. Once welfare started picking up the tab, it shifted to lower incomes. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Fri Apr 26 01:33:45 2013, in response to Re: What Do You Think Of Kermit Gosnell?, posted by Easy on Thu Apr 25 23:52:53 2013. I don't like to use editorials but this one seems to give some insight into how white women were treated differently in Gosnell's practice.Washington Post Editorial |
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Posted by WillD on Fri Apr 26 01:48:35 2013, in response to Re: What Do You Think Of Kermit Gosnell?, posted by Train Dude on Fri Apr 26 01:33:45 2013. Yes, this piece in The Atlantic says much the same thing. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Fri Apr 26 01:53:15 2013, in response to Re: What Do You Think Of Kermit Gosnell?, posted by LuchAAA on Fri Apr 26 01:28:44 2013. In the 70's abortion was for middle and upper-middle class females.You are wrong as usual. Middle and upper-middle class women have always gotten abortions performed by real professionals even when it was illegal. They weren't the ones going to back-alley hacks. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Fri Apr 26 01:59:24 2013, in response to Re: What Do You Think Of Kermit Gosnell?, posted by WillD on Fri Apr 26 01:48:35 2013. Sounds like pre-Roe America for poor women. The grand jury report in the case of Kermit Gosnell, 72, is among the most horrifying I've read. "This case is about a doctor who killed babies and endangered women. What we mean is that he regularly and illegally delivered live, viable babies in the third trimester of pregnancy - and then murdered these newborns by severing their spinal cords with scissors," it states. "The medical practice by which he carried out this business was a filthy fraud in which he overdosed his patients with dangerous drugs, spread venereal disease among them with infected instruments, perforated their wombs and bowels - and, on at least two occasions, caused their deaths." |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Fri Apr 26 02:08:31 2013, in response to Re: What Do You Think Of Kermit Gosnell?, posted by SMAZ on Fri Apr 26 01:53:15 2013. Middle and upper-middle class women have always gotten abortions performed by real professionals even when it was illegal.I know. They just got tired of flying to Puerto Rico to do so. Abortion piggy-backed the feminist movement of the 60's. Making it legal makes it much easier and safer for all. Once welfare started paying for it, it changed who got an abortion. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Fri Apr 26 02:09:56 2013, in response to Re: What Do You Think Of Kermit Gosnell?, posted by SMAZ on Fri Apr 26 01:53:15 2013. Oh, and thanks for being one of my most loyal attackers here. You should agree to Pizza Summit. No photos. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Fri Apr 26 02:14:18 2013, in response to Re: What Do You Think Of Kermit Gosnell?, posted by LuchAAA on Fri Apr 26 02:08:31 2013. I know. They just got tired of flying to Puerto Rico to do so.They didn't have to fly anywhere. They just needed a reference and the money to use a doctor or qualified nurse "of good reputation" to perform the abortion in a sanitary environment and in a medically acceptable manner with no future adverse health effects. THIW for those who could afford one. Low-income women or their families or boyfriend didn't have that option and so they went to the Kermit Gosnells of their time. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Fri Apr 26 03:02:35 2013, in response to Re: What Do You Think Of Kermit Gosnell?, posted by SMAZ on Fri Apr 26 02:14:18 2013. They didn't have to fly anywhere.Yes. Girls flew to Puerto Rico. Low income families were more likely to be religious and not seek an abortion. They made babies. By the time I was sexually active, everyone wore a rubber and girls took the pill. Most in my circle had a sense of responsibility and hope and did not want an unwanted kid. There are too many incentives for low income girls to have kids. |
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Posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Fri Apr 26 03:58:22 2013, in response to Re: What Do You Think Of Kermit Gosnell?, posted by LuchAAA on Fri Apr 26 03:02:35 2013. There are too many incentives for low income girls to have kids.FWIW, I'd argue that the solution is to stop making welfare into a program in which you need to be a single mother to make the most of it. In other words, give the same level of benefits to single and married individuals that single mothers would get on welfare for having one child, and you'd probably eliminate some of the single mother problem. Of course, to reduce births to single mothers further, you'd need for them to have men worth marrying, but in many cases, the men around them are either unattractive or unemployable, and even then, you're just dealing with a lot of people who are immature with poor conscientiousness. If anything, get Planned Parenthood to give out long-term birth control methods instead of cheap pills, while stepping up their reminder campaigns to get these women to refill their birth control on time. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Fri Apr 26 04:36:53 2013, in response to Re: What Do You Think Of Kermit Gosnell?, posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Fri Apr 26 03:58:22 2013. awesome photos. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Fri Apr 26 04:37:37 2013, in response to Re: What Do You Think Of Kermit Gosnell?, posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Fri Apr 26 03:58:22 2013. if the Dems thing they're killing too many unborn Democrats they'll stop.they can win elections and still have millions of abortions every year. |
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Posted by Fred G on Fri Apr 26 07:31:06 2013, in response to Re: What Do You Think Of Kermit Gosnell?, posted by SMAZ on Fri Apr 26 02:14:18 2013. Or somebody in the neighborhood with a coat hanger.Some of you guys weren't even born when Roe was settled. Things were fugly before. Your pal, Fred |
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Posted by SMAZ on Fri Apr 26 08:13:17 2013, in response to Re: What Do You Think Of Kermit Gosnell?, posted by Fred G on Fri Apr 26 07:31:06 2013. If the coat hanger didn't work, there was always the the Back-alley Carwash or throwing oneself down the stairs.I was born pre-Roe but grew up in post-Roe (in Italy it was legalized in 1975). People not a whole lot older then me would tell me stories they'd heard. They could still finger the places where such unspoken things used to take place. |
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Posted by Fred G on Fri Apr 26 08:31:36 2013, in response to Re: What Do You Think Of Kermit Gosnell?, posted by SMAZ on Fri Apr 26 08:13:17 2013. They could still finger the places where such unspoken things used to take place.Kind of a nice pun going there :) That's not to take away from the gravity of your post. My comment was directed more toward the all-knowing your pal, Fred |
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Posted by Train Dude on Fri Apr 26 09:40:11 2013, in response to Re: What Do You Think Of Kermit Gosnell?, posted by Fred G on Fri Apr 26 07:31:06 2013. Which is why I said that this case should not be turned into a referendum on abortion rights by the left - which is exactly what is happening. |
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Posted by chicagomotorman on Fri Apr 26 09:52:53 2013, in response to What Do You Think Of Kermit Gosnell?, posted by LuchAAA on Thu Apr 25 23:42:42 2013. Why can't you follow the conservative agenda? |
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Posted by AlM on Fri Apr 26 10:06:35 2013, in response to Re: What Do You Think Of Kermit Gosnell?, posted by Train Dude on Fri Apr 26 09:40:11 2013. ???I thought the accusation was that the left was ignoring this case because it didn't fit with their view of abortion rights. |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Fri Apr 26 11:51:58 2013, in response to What Do You Think Of Kermit Gosnell?, posted by LuchAAA on Thu Apr 25 23:42:42 2013. I feel bad for anyone named Kermit. Or Casper. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Fri Apr 26 12:07:24 2013, in response to What Do You Think Of Kermit Gosnell?, posted by LuchAAA on Thu Apr 25 23:42:42 2013. I think that the right is making a big deal out of this because it involves abortion and are claiming media bias that way, but national media for the most part is writing it off as just another inner-city criminal act. I think that the social status of the victims (they were mostly poor, and it's in a poor neighborhood just north of Penn Presbyterian) also have to do with the lack of coverage.If he's convicted, he will have received his just desserts. |
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Posted by bingbong on Fri Apr 26 12:34:46 2013, in response to Re: What Do You Think Of Kermit Gosnell?, posted by AlM on Fri Apr 26 10:06:35 2013. Hypocrisy is the hallmark of the RW. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Fri Apr 26 12:37:19 2013, in response to Re: What Do You Think Of Kermit Gosnell?, posted by bingbong on Fri Apr 26 12:34:46 2013. please participate in the UCONN rape logo thread. |
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Posted by chicagomotorman on Fri Apr 26 12:41:32 2013, in response to What Do You Think Of Kermit Gosnell?, posted by LuchAAA on Thu Apr 25 23:42:42 2013. Well Luch? |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Fri Apr 26 12:45:01 2013, in response to Re: What Do You Think Of Kermit Gosnell?, posted by chicagomotorman on Fri Apr 26 12:41:32 2013. I'm attacking.I think abortions need to be increased. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Apr 26 12:57:27 2013, in response to Re: What Do You Think Of Kermit Gosnell?, posted by chicagomotorman on Fri Apr 26 09:52:53 2013. Because the conservative agenda is for fools. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Fri Apr 26 12:59:41 2013, in response to Re: What Do You Think Of Kermit Gosnell?, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Apr 26 12:57:27 2013. what in particular do you not like? |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Apr 26 12:59:43 2013, in response to Re: What Do You Think Of Kermit Gosnell?, posted by AMoreira81 on Fri Apr 26 12:07:24 2013. If he's convicted, he will have received his just desserts.No. I think that in prison they give you a whole meal and not just desserts. |
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