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Posted by Rail Blue on Tue Mar 13 09:49:32 2007, in response to Re: It Finally Happenned: Q35 Limited Stops, posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Mar 12 19:03:50 2007. If the sheer number of stops is disrupting reliability, and both end points are the major destinations, then maybe the alternate solution should be used: make locals become limiteds and vice versa when they pass Nostrand Av. |
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Posted by David of Broadway on Tue Mar 13 10:20:06 2007, in response to Re: It Finally Happenned: Q35 Limited Stops, posted by Rail Blue on Tue Mar 13 09:49:32 2007. So a short trip from a local stop north of Nostrand to a local stop south of Nostrand would require a transfer! |
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Posted by Rail Blue on Tue Mar 13 10:43:10 2007, in response to Re: It Finally Happenned: Q35 Limited Stops, posted by David of Broadway on Tue Mar 13 10:20:06 2007. Maybe only do it to the Kings Plaza branch. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Mar 13 13:28:19 2007, in response to Re: It Finally Happenned: Q35 Limited Stops, posted by David of Broadway on Mon Mar 12 17:40:13 2007. The problem isn't so much cars but trucks making deliveries.What you suggest would apply only to blockfaces with parks or residences only. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Mar 13 13:30:00 2007, in response to Re: It Finally Happenned: Q35 Limited Stops, posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Mar 12 19:03:50 2007. A good number of riders are former subway riders who switched because of the Limited being instituted. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Mar 13 13:32:15 2007, in response to Re: It Finally Happenned: Q35 Limited Stops, posted by Rail Blue on Tue Mar 13 09:49:32 2007. I think traffic is a bigger factor than the number of stops. When buses get delayed in traffic, the dwell times increase leading to bunching and erratic headways. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Mar 13 13:38:46 2007, in response to Re: It Finally Happenned: Q35 Limited Stops, posted by Grand Concourse on Mon Mar 12 22:19:44 2007. In 1981, I once stood at the Junction on three occasions and counted buses going south during the evening rush hour. On each occasion, there was at least one 45 minute gap in service for buses coming from downtown Brooklyn. The shuttles from the Junction to both southern branches ensured the maximum headway never exceeded 10 minutes for passengers boarding at the Junction or south of it. Of course they didn't help the other riders, but without them, many more passengers would have been inconvenienced. Hopefully, they still are running. |
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Posted by David of Broadway on Tue Mar 13 13:43:39 2007, in response to Re: It Finally Happenned: Q35 Limited Stops, posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Mar 13 13:28:19 2007. Deliveries can be restricted by time. Imagine how much smoother traffic flow (for buses and cars alike) would be if deliveries took place overnight. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Tue Mar 13 14:46:11 2007, in response to Re: It Finally Happenned: Q35 Limited Stops, posted by David of Broadway on Tue Mar 13 13:43:39 2007. However, not all businesses are in a position (and more are not than are) where deliveries can take place overnight, unfortunately. |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Tue Mar 13 15:10:12 2007, in response to Re: It Finally Happenned: Q35 Limited Stops, posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Mar 13 13:30:00 2007. The B41 has indeed become much more atractive to me since the Limited came out 13 and a half (?) years ago. Often went I want to go from one end of the line to the other, I give more thought to the B41 (as opposed to any subways) when I know I can get a limited. |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Tue Mar 13 15:11:48 2007, in response to Re: It Finally Happenned: Q35 Limited Stops, posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Mar 13 13:38:46 2007. I took the B41 a few times during PM rush in the summer from Grand Army Plz to Ave P and had no traffic or scheduling problems, though I used a limited, which did not exist in 1981. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Mar 13 19:12:02 2007, in response to Re: It Finally Happenned: Q35 Limited Stops, posted by David of Broadway on Tue Mar 13 13:43:39 2007. Deliveries can be restricted by time. Imagine how much smoother traffic flow (for buses and cars alike) would be if deliveries took place overnight.You struck a sore note. I've been saying that for 20 years. It works great in Europe, but the stores here don't want to pay extra, and the politicians don't want to go against them. The Fulton Mall which took 17 years to plan was supposed to greatly speed the buses on a previously traffic clogged street. The plan was to widen the sidewalks for pedestrians (needed in this case, because the sidewalks were also very clogged with people), eliminate cars (okay). restrict nightime deliveries to after 7PM and create off street indented loading bays to keep the single lane (reduced from two lanes) open. So what happened? After agreeing to this, when it finally came time to put into effect, the merchants refused to accept nightime deliveries. So deliveries are made during the day (from Day 1) in the loading bays and in the one lane supposedly for traffic. So the buses frequently have to use the opposing lane to get around slowing everyone down. Also, any official vehicle (regular police, mail police, sanitation police, EPA Police, etc) mail trucks public and private, TA maintenance vehicles and cars, etc thinks they have a right to use the Fulton Mall adding to the traffic which was supposed to be solely for buses. The result, Fulton Mall is not much faster than it was prior to the mall being built. Any savings to bus travel times is negated by the increased traffic on Livingston St which also carries a large number of bus routes. Seventeen years of planning and net result is no improvement. I can't stand when there is all this hoopla how great transit projects will be. Then they flop because promises aren't kept. Hope this doesn't happen with BRT by someone changing their mind and deciding to charge a premium fare for the service and riders not patronizing it. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Mar 13 19:16:25 2007, in response to Re: It Finally Happenned: Q35 Limited Stops, posted by New Flyer #857 on Mon Mar 12 21:54:26 2007. I guess we're from a different generation. |
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Posted by B49 Limited on Tue Mar 13 19:37:35 2007, in response to Re: It Finally Happenned: Q35 Limited Stops, posted by New Flyer #857 on Tue Mar 13 15:11:48 2007. On a sidenote.... Can someone tell me with the Q35 being limited and the B 103 would be faster then the B 41 Limited from Downtown Brooklyn to Kings Plaza? (I know you have to xfer to each bus and time wait can be issue but if everything is lined up) |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Mar 13 19:52:03 2007, in response to Re: It Finally Happenned: Q35 Limited Stops, posted by B49 Limited on Tue Mar 13 19:37:35 2007. Try it and you'll find out. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Tue Mar 13 19:57:06 2007, in response to Re: It Finally Happenned: Q35 Limited Stops, posted by B49 Limited on Tue Mar 13 19:37:35 2007. The B103 has gotten way slower than it used to be before MTA Bus. especially with those Hybrids. |
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Posted by B49 Limited on Tue Mar 13 20:12:09 2007, in response to Re: It Finally Happenned: Q35 Limited Stops, posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Mar 13 19:52:03 2007. As a busfan, I am!!!! I use the B103 more often to Dtwn Brooklyn but I have yet try it. |
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Posted by BMT Guy on Wed Mar 14 11:23:04 2007, in response to Re: It Finally Happenned: Q35 Limited Stops, posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Mar 13 13:32:15 2007. Exactly.Unfortunately, the way Brooklyn was developed -- historically speaking -- relates to the traffic problems. Northern Brooklyn was heavily developed prior to the 20th Century with narrower streets and very little open space. Southern Brooklyn, particularly south-eastern sections weren't developed until the early part of the 20th Century, well after most transit lines were already established, urgo their lack of direct rapid transit services. This also explains why buses get snagged in traffic in the northern sections of the Borough (narrower streets, with more double-parked cars and poorly-timed traffic lights). And of course this in turn leads to rather spotty bus service to areas south of the Flatbush/Nostrand junction. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Mar 14 13:39:09 2007, in response to Re: It Finally Happenned: Q35 Limited Stops, posted by Osmosis Jones on Tue Mar 13 19:57:06 2007. What did the hybrids do? |
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Posted by Eric B on Wed Mar 14 15:43:13 2007, in response to Re: It Finally Happenned: Q35 Limited Stops, posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Mar 13 19:12:02 2007. It seems many cities that tried that pedestrian mall concept, at that same time, have since turned them back into regular streets, maybe with some traffic restrictions remaining. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Wed Mar 14 18:15:17 2007, in response to Re: It Finally Happenned: Q35 Limited Stops, posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Mar 14 13:39:09 2007. I don't understand, can you be more specific please? |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Mar 14 19:21:20 2007, in response to Re: It Finally Happenned: Q35 Limited Stops, posted by Eric B on Wed Mar 14 15:43:13 2007. Fulton Mall of course never strictly was a pedestrian mall, so it doesn't fall into that category. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Mar 14 19:23:10 2007, in response to Re: It Finally Happenned: Q35 Limited Stops, posted by Osmosis Jones on Wed Mar 14 18:15:17 2007. You said:The B103 has gotten way slower than it used to be before MTA Bus. especially with those Hybrids. Doesn't that mean that the hybrids made the route slower? I was asking "How?" |
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Posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Wed Mar 14 19:43:02 2007, in response to Re: It Finally Happenned: Q35 Limited Stops, posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Mar 14 19:23:10 2007. But Hybrids are fast. |
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Posted by Eric B on Wed Mar 14 20:09:02 2007, in response to Re: It Finally Happenned: Q35 Limited Stops, posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Mar 14 19:21:20 2007. Most of the others weren't really either. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Wed Mar 14 22:06:25 2007, in response to Re: It Finally Happenned: Q35 Limited Stops, posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Mar 14 19:23:10 2007. I do not technically know how. |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Thu Mar 15 08:30:42 2007, in response to Re: It Finally Happenned: Q35 Limited Stops, posted by Osmosis Jones on Wed Mar 14 22:06:25 2007. Hybrids should make things faster: faster boarding times (no steps for the elderly to stumble on), and faster acceleration/deceleration. The only reason why it might slow things down is because the doors cannot open until the bus stops completely, unlike the older non-NYCT buses that allow the front door to open whenever the driver wants, even 2 seconds or so before the bus comes to a complete stop.Just a guess. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Mar 15 11:36:44 2007, in response to Re: It Finally Happenned: Q35 Limited Stops, posted by New Flyer #857 on Thu Mar 15 08:30:42 2007. In my opinion the extra two seconds should be more than offset by the lack of steps and quicker boarding. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Thu Mar 15 16:51:22 2007, in response to Re: It Finally Happenned: Q35 Limited Stops, posted by New Flyer #857 on Thu Mar 15 08:30:42 2007. None of those have to do with the speed of the bus itself. |
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Posted by Christopher Rivera on Thu Mar 15 17:02:05 2007, in response to Re: It Finally Happenned: Q35 Limited Stops, posted by New Flyer #857 on Sat Mar 10 14:39:11 2007. Try explaining that to the people on the bus, a B/O told me this best "when you're moving whether its 1mph 10mph or 100mph as long as you're moving people wont complain, its when you're not moving at all that people will complain" |
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Posted by BMT Guy on Thu Mar 15 19:01:09 2007, in response to Re: It Finally Happenned: Q35 Limited Stops, posted by Osmosis Jones on Sun Mar 11 01:35:05 2007. MTA Bus' idea of notifying the public was by wrapping a notice made on MTA Bus stationery around the bus stop info box on the pole with scotch tape like it was some kind of spur-of-the-moment decision....which I'm certain a change like this was not. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Mar 15 19:11:08 2007, in response to Re: It Finally Happenned: Q35 Limited Stops, posted by Osmosis Jones on Thu Mar 15 16:51:22 2007. So you're saying that the hybrids can't travel as fast? |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Mar 15 19:13:18 2007, in response to Re: It Finally Happenned: Q35 Limited Stops, posted by BMT Guy on Thu Mar 15 19:01:09 2007. That's because the people who were supposed to prepare the signs didn't do their jobs and someone at the depot took it upon himself to do something that wasn't his job to do. |
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Posted by Far Rockaway A Train on Thu Mar 15 20:11:41 2007, in response to Re: It Finally Happenned: Q35 Limited Stops, posted by BMT Guy on Sun Mar 11 21:05:47 2007. To BMT Guy:If you are who I think you are, how's everything doing. Haven't heard from you in awhile. Anyway, just by your statement, you have proven my point. Even when the B41 bus is really delayed, it was still a ratio of 2:1 in favor of the B41. Mind you the Q35 during this time didn't not have delays. If everybody from the overload of passengers crowd on the Q35, then forces the Q35 to pass by passengers going to/from the Rockaways, at 15 minute intervales, then we can't get on the bus due to the bus passing us by, that is at least a 30 minute wait for the Rockaway passengers. Like I said before, I personally wouldn't mind if the Q35 made all stops, but then add the extra service. |
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Posted by BMT Guy on Thu Mar 15 20:27:47 2007, in response to Re: It Finally Happenned: Q35 Limited Stops, posted by Far Rockaway A Train on Thu Mar 15 20:11:41 2007. Another facto I fogot to mention: not EVERY local B41 bus is going to go to Kings Plaza....some are Bergen Beach bound, so even though the ratio might be 2:1 in favor of the B41 arriving it's not necessarily THE bus I (or another local user) may be waiting for....and yes, I am who you believe me to be. ;-DBTW, you missed a nice lecture and slideshow on the history of rail transportation to the Rocakaways that was presented by a park ranger at Gateway National Recreation Area (Cross Bay Boulevard Unit). It was given two Wednesdays ago. Nice shots, with some shots that were lifted from existing websites (that shall remain nameless). Didn't have enough advance notice to alert you about it. |
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Posted by Far Rockaway A Train on Thu Mar 15 20:57:51 2007, in response to Re: It Finally Happenned: Q35 Limited Stops, posted by BMT Guy on Thu Mar 15 20:27:47 2007. Oh crap! I always miss out on the good stuff.Anyway, back to the subject at hand, granted it may not be the B41 that you need, but by reading most of the post about this subject, I have noticed that something has not been mentioned. Alternate Routes. Now, I know that when any bus messes up, it is a pain in the a**. But at least the B41 riders have them. Anybody travelling from Ave L and south also have the B9. For those at the junction, you have two alternatives. Either take the B6 to Utica or Ralph for the B46 or B47 respectively, or take the B44 to Ave U and transfer for the B3. If all else fails, and you are not severly handicapped, you can just hop on a dollar van. If the Rockaway riders have a problem with the Q35, we have no choice but to take anywhere from 4 to 5 trains to get to Rockaway. Now, comparing your alternative(s) to our alternative, please, there is no comparison. |
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Posted by Grand Concourse on Thu Mar 15 21:17:31 2007, in response to Re: It Finally Happenned: Q35 Limited Stops, posted by Far Rockaway A Train on Thu Mar 15 20:57:51 2007. B9 to the Q is too slow at times same about the B82.B100 is ok, but too long a walk. Do't you dare tell me about 'alternatives' as I rode them. |
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Posted by Grand Concourse on Thu Mar 15 21:21:31 2007, in response to Re: It Finally Happenned: Q35 Limited Stops, posted by Far Rockaway A Train on Thu Mar 15 20:57:51 2007. B9 to the Q is too slow at times same about the B82.B100 is ok, but too long a walk. Don't* you dare tell me about 'alternatives' as I rode them. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Thu Mar 15 22:09:53 2007, in response to Re: It Finally Happenned: Q35 Limited Stops, posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Mar 15 19:11:08 2007. Depends on what they cannot travel as fast as. |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Fri Mar 16 12:21:17 2007, in response to Re: It Finally Happenned: Q35 Limited Stops, posted by Christopher Rivera on Thu Mar 15 17:02:05 2007. And then you announce I have seen drivers do to absolutely no objection of anyone on the bus:"We are about two or three minutes early. I am waiting here until we are back on schedule." And if the people don't like it tough. The driver should worry that he or she does his or her job, and the people DO NOT make the rules: MTA does. |
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Posted by SubBus aka ENY Local on Sun Mar 18 00:14:32 2007, in response to Re: It Finally Happenned: Q35 Limited Stops, posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Sat Mar 10 13:35:41 2007. Yes there is another Ford Street. It runs for two blocks from ENY Ave up to Carroll St parallel to Rochester Ave. |
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Posted by SubBus aka ENY Local on Sun Mar 18 00:28:02 2007, in response to Re: It Finally Happenned: Q35 Limited Stops, posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Mar 13 13:30:00 2007. Yeah. I took the B41 Limited from Nostrand Junction to Downtown Bklyn instead of the 2 train on Tuesday around midday. I was pleased with the ride. I would say that the B41 Limited is better because it is a more direct route. |
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Posted by SubBus aka ENY Local on Sun Mar 18 00:41:04 2007, in response to Re: It Finally Happenned: Q35 Limited Stops, posted by New Flyer #857 on Fri Mar 9 14:14:35 2007. Yes that is my point. Similar to Alabama Ave being an all trains stop on the J/Z skip stop line. To get the employess to ENY Yard and bus depot. |
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Posted by SubBus aka ENY Local on Sun Mar 18 00:41:04 2007, in response to Re: It Finally Happenned: Q35 Limited Stops, posted by New Flyer #857 on Fri Mar 9 14:14:35 2007. Yes that is my point. Similar to Alabama Ave being an all trains stop on the J/Z skip stop line. To get the employess to ENY Yard and bus depot. |
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Posted by SubBus aka ENY Local on Sun Mar 18 00:43:41 2007, in response to Re: It Finally Happenned: Q35 Limited Stops, posted by Grand Concourse on Sat Mar 10 15:47:43 2007. Its a great ride. I rode the BM2 last week from Midtown to Nostrand Junction.(Orion V#742) |
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Posted by SubBus aka ENY Local on Sun Mar 18 00:46:27 2007, in response to Re: It Finally Happenned: Q35 Limited Stops, posted by AMoreira81 on Sat Mar 10 15:18:43 2007. Maybe the Q35 can use that "extra" bus stop behind the B46 at Kings Plaza. Im pretty sure it is being used as a layover zone. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Sun Mar 18 11:17:51 2007, in response to Re: It Finally Happenned: Q35 Limited Stops, posted by SubBus aka ENY Local on Sun Mar 18 00:28:02 2007. But was it quicker? |
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Posted by Grand Concourse on Sun Mar 18 16:18:37 2007, in response to Re: It Finally Happenned: Q35 Limited Stops, posted by SubBus aka ENY Local on Sun Mar 18 00:28:02 2007. Well of course it is more direct as it cuts thru the 2's trackage pattern. The main problem is that north of Nostrand, Flatbush is usually crowded and it can take forever for the bus to pass thru all the traffic. i don't care how direct it is, i would still prefer the 2 to B41 at Nostrand over the B41 limited strait down. |
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Posted by Grand Concourse on Sun Mar 18 16:32:21 2007, in response to Re: It Finally Happenned: Q35 Limited Stops, posted by SubBus aka ENY Local on Sun Mar 18 00:43:41 2007. I'll wait till my next long break, got lots of tests coming up soon b4 my spring break. |
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Posted by BMT Guy on Sun Mar 18 20:32:31 2007, in response to Re: It Finally Happenned: Q35 Limited Stops, posted by SubBus aka ENY Local on Sun Mar 18 00:28:02 2007. What you doing in my 'hood, SubBus? Working hard over at the 'bush I suppose? ;-D |
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