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Re: It Finally Happenned: Q35 Limited Stops |
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Posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Fri Mar 9 13:03:57 2007, in response to Re: It Finally Happenned: Q35 Limited Stops, posted by SubBus aka ENY Local on Fri Mar 9 12:40:10 2007. You would think that's kind of confusing since the Q-35 basically goes the same route as the Kings Plaza B-41. However, I guess people who want to go to the mall would prefer taking the B-41 since it pulls directly in front of the entrance, while the Q-35 stops across the street. |
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Posted by JAzumah on Fri Mar 9 13:53:57 2007, in response to Re: It Finally Happenned: Q35 Limited Stops, posted by New Flyer #857 on Fri Mar 9 09:18:20 2007. It is not a limited stop bus. It is a closed door procedure. We wouldn't call the N4 a limited, but it does the same thing as the Q35 now. I assume it is to keep the buses on schedule, NOT to speed the ride. |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Fri Mar 9 14:05:28 2007, in response to Re: It Finally Happenned: Q35 Limited Stops, posted by SubBus aka ENY Local on Fri Mar 9 12:42:24 2007. PETCO is on Utica Ave technically, but basically where Ave S, Flatbush, and Utica meet. The first post of this thread mentioned Ave S and Flatbush being a stop on the new Q35 limited service. Another poster who I was responding to said they were at PETCO (Ave S and Flatbush, and Utica) and found out the bus would NOT be stopping there anymore.I am pointing out contradictory information. |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Fri Mar 9 14:06:41 2007, in response to Re: It Finally Happenned: Q35 Limited Stops, posted by SubBus aka ENY Local on Fri Mar 9 12:44:54 2007. Is the Q35 related to Flatbush Depot? |
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Posted by exgreenbusdriver on Fri Mar 9 14:08:09 2007, in response to Re: It Finally Happenned: Q35 Limited Stops, posted by New Flyer #857 on Fri Mar 9 14:06:41 2007. Thats a joke right? |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Fri Mar 9 14:11:26 2007, in response to Re: It Finally Happenned: Q35 Limited Stops, posted by JAzumah on Fri Mar 9 13:53:57 2007. Could you please elaborate on what you mean about the N4? Do you mean that it only has stops every 1/2 mile or so somewhere, or do you mean LIB's policy to not provide for trips wholly within Queens?However you look at it, this change to the Q35 has to be to speed up the ride. If the schedule wasn't being kept, the schedule could be changed. They may have decided to maintain scheduled running time by eliminating stops instead of just increase scheduled running time because it may have been needed. Either way they elected a small increase in speed at the expense of a not-so-costly convenience. |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Fri Mar 9 14:14:35 2007, in response to Re: It Finally Happenned: Q35 Limited Stops, posted by exgreenbusdriver on Fri Mar 9 14:08:09 2007. This part of the thread is about why the Q35 ever had a special stop at Fillmore, and someone mentioned Flatbush Depot. The Q35 was GBL, nothing to do with Flatbush Depot, so I was looking for relevance. Perhaps the poster meant MTA employees trying to go to/from home from Flatbush Depot? |
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Posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Fri Mar 9 14:15:03 2007, in response to Re: It Finally Happenned: Q35 Limited Stops, posted by exgreenbusdriver on Fri Mar 9 14:08:09 2007. "SubBus aka ENY Local" stated that he thought the Q-35 stopped at Fillmore due to the existence of Flatbush Depot. However, as "New Flyer #857" sort of asked, what does the Q-35 have to do with Flatbush Depot? I don't think I've ever seen a TA driver jump off of a Q-35 at Fillmore in all my years. But then again, I moved away 7 years ago! :-) |
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Posted by Far Rockaway A Train on Fri Mar 9 15:48:20 2007, in response to Re: It Finally Happenned: Q35 Limited Stops, posted by New Flyer #857 on Thu Mar 8 20:49:24 2007. The earliest posting that I personally saw was on the Q22 buses that I rode this past Saturday. |
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Posted by Q101 E. MIDTOWN 2 AV on Fri Mar 9 19:01:52 2007, in response to Re: It Finally Happenned: Q35 Limited Stops, posted by New Flyer #857 on Fri Mar 9 09:48:07 2007. Why should Glenwood Road be a stop if it's right by the Flatbush terminal? |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Mar 9 19:50:56 2007, in response to Re: It Finally Happenned: Q35 Limited Stops, posted by AMoreira81 on Fri Mar 9 10:19:23 2007. It gets me how the MTA refuses to publicize request a stop. There should be a sign in each bus as far as I'm concerned informing passengers of this policy. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Mar 9 20:10:42 2007, in response to Re: It Finally Happenned: Q35 Limited Stops, posted by Grand Concourse on Thu Mar 8 20:43:47 2007. Trying to explain bus stops on Flatbush Avenue has to be confusing where Avenue R meets Avenue O and Avenue P is north of Avenue N. Sort of like explaining the intersection of West 4th Street and West 10th Street in Greenwich Village. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Mar 9 20:17:21 2007, in response to Re: It Finally Happenned: Q35 Limited Stops, posted by Q101 E. MIDTOWN 2 AV on Fri Mar 9 19:01:52 2007. Glenwood Road is one mid-size block (300 feet) north of Flatbush Terminal. |
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Posted by Rail Blue on Fri Mar 9 21:40:01 2007, in response to Re: It Finally Happenned: Q35 Limited Stops, posted by New Flyer #857 on Fri Mar 9 09:37:18 2007. The one way MTAB can make it up to me: get the combination of this route with the Q22 done fastVia Newport Av or via Rockaway Beach Blvd? and with whatever the new number is have a limited over the entire route and a local over the entire route and get rid of the limited on off-hours. Could even renumber it to B41... |
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Posted by Rail Blue on Fri Mar 9 21:52:07 2007, in response to Re: It Finally Happenned: Q35 Limited Stops, posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Mar 9 20:10:42 2007. Trying to explain bus stops on Flatbush Avenue has to be confusing where Avenue R meets Avenue O and Avenue P is north of Avenue N.Fake grids are such fun... Sort of like explaining the intersection of West 4th Street and West 10th Street in Greenwich Village. West 4th Street should really be named something else. I suppose, at least Greenwich Avenue isn't called West 8th Street... |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Fri Mar 9 21:57:07 2007, in response to Re: It Finally Happenned: Q35 Limited Stops, posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Fri Mar 9 14:15:03 2007. A Flatbush depot employee that lives in the Rockaways can use it. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Fri Mar 9 21:59:22 2007, in response to Re: It Finally Happenned: Q35 Limited Stops, posted by Rail Blue on Fri Mar 9 21:40:01 2007. He mentions the intersection of Beach 116th Street & Newport Avenue in his post, so I assumer Newport Avenue. |
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Posted by Rail Blue on Fri Mar 9 22:04:33 2007, in response to Re: It Finally Happenned: Q35 Limited Stops, posted by Osmosis Jones on Fri Mar 9 21:59:22 2007. Is there anything that makes that the better choice? |
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Posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Fri Mar 9 22:12:27 2007, in response to Re: It Finally Happenned: Q35 Limited Stops, posted by Osmosis Jones on Fri Mar 9 21:57:07 2007. Yes, I know. But I don't know if they had the bus stop there just for the one or two employees who live in the Rockaways who don't own a car. :-) |
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Posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Fri Mar 9 22:15:32 2007, in response to Re: It Finally Happenned: Q35 Limited Stops, posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Mar 9 20:10:42 2007. >>Trying to explain bus stops on Flatbush Avenue has to be confusing where Avenue R meets Avenue O and Avenue P is north of Avenue N.<<The streets are like that because the "Marine Park Grid" (those streets west of Flatbush Ave at that point) is on an angle. |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Fri Mar 9 22:20:50 2007, in response to Re: It Finally Happenned: Q35 Limited Stops, posted by Rail Blue on Fri Mar 9 21:40:01 2007. Doesn't matter: it's a draft plan. Newport Ave is north of the middle of the peninsula, Rockaway Bch Blvd is south of the middle. Maybe have westbound service use one and eastbound use the other so everyone gets treated as fairly as possible? |
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Posted by Rail Blue on Fri Mar 9 22:26:06 2007, in response to Re: It Finally Happenned: Q35 Limited Stops, posted by New Flyer #857 on Fri Mar 9 22:20:50 2007. Doesn't matter: it's a draft plan. Newport Ave is north of the middle of the peninsula, Rockaway Bch Blvd is south of the middle.Well, I'd expect one or the other would have better ridership for some reason or other. Maybe have westbound service use one and eastbound use the other so everyone gets treated as fairly as possible? That would be a bit of a fudge... |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Fri Mar 9 22:49:56 2007, in response to Re: It Finally Happenned: Q35 Limited Stops, posted by Rail Blue on Fri Mar 9 22:04:33 2007. Well, if the bus turned up Beach 116th Street onto Newport Avenue then it could stop right in front of the Rockaway Park-Beach 116th Street station, and if it ran on Newport Avenue then it would more flexible to residents of the Belle Harbor area that would use the bus when compared to it running straight down Rockaway Beach Boulevard. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Fri Mar 9 22:52:18 2007, in response to Re: It Finally Happenned: Q35 Limited Stops, posted by Rail Blue on Fri Mar 9 22:26:06 2007. Newport Avenue brings more ridership, but I am basing this purely on the Service Frequencies and Hours of Operation of the Q22 and Q35. I also think that the two Q22A trips should be extended to the Beach 169th Street loop. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Mar 9 23:44:22 2007, in response to Re: It Finally Happenned: Q35 Limited Stops, posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Fri Mar 9 22:15:32 2007. I know the reason.I also remember when they renamed East 53rd Street to East 53rd Place between Avenue T and U in order to rename Amersfort Avenue to East 53rd Street. This enabled one block in Brooklyn to follow Queens Street logic and the intersection of East 52nd Street and East 53rd Street. This made things clearer? |
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Posted by b1bus on Sat Mar 10 00:50:21 2007, in response to Re: It Finally Happenned: Q35 Limited Stops, posted by New Flyer #857 on Fri Mar 9 14:05:28 2007. It is NOT a stop. That is what the sign taped up said: Q35 will no longer stop here. |
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Posted by b1bus on Sat Mar 10 00:51:48 2007, in response to Re: It Finally Happenned: Q35 Limited Stops, posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Fri Mar 9 13:03:57 2007. It's NASTY crossing there. |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Sat Mar 10 08:31:03 2007, in response to Q35, posted by b1bus on Sat Mar 10 00:50:21 2007. OK, so Ave S is out. Could Fillmore be a stop then? Nothing up yet at mta.info |
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Posted by Rail Blue on Sat Mar 10 09:06:02 2007, in response to Re: It Finally Happenned: Q35 Limited Stops, posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Mar 9 23:44:22 2007. And it seems that just four of Av A-Z are in exactly one segment. |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Sat Mar 10 11:07:36 2007, in response to Re: It Finally Happenned: Q35 Limited Stops, posted by Rail Blue on Sat Mar 10 09:06:02 2007. Where is Av G? I've lived in Brooklyn all my life and never seen one. Is Glenwood Road considered Av G as I think Cortelyou may have once been thought of as Av C and Foster as Av F? |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Sat Mar 10 11:15:09 2007, in response to Re: It Finally Happenned: Q35 Limited Stops, posted by New Flyer #857 on Sat Mar 10 11:07:36 2007. There is an actual Avenue C though in Brooklyn. Avenue G is now Glenwood Road, and Quentin Road is the former Avenue Q. |
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Posted by BMT Guy on Sat Mar 10 12:00:59 2007, in response to Re: It Finally Happenned: Q35 Limited Stops, posted by New Flyer #857 on Fri Mar 9 14:14:35 2007. THat's my guess. Fillmore would have been a 'courtesy stop' for NYCT bus employees. Actually, I suspect that unless someone rang to get off or there was someone at the stop already then Fillmore would have been bypassed anyway. |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Sat Mar 10 12:03:26 2007, in response to Re: It Finally Happenned: Q35 Limited Stops, posted by BMT Guy on Sat Mar 10 12:00:59 2007. "Actually, I suspect that unless someone rang to get off or there was someone at the stop already then Fillmore would have been bypassed anyway."Isn't that the policy for any bus stop? |
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Posted by BMT Guy on Sat Mar 10 12:08:22 2007, in response to Re: It Finally Happenned: Q35 Limited Stops, posted by New Flyer #857 on Thu Mar 8 20:49:24 2007. Don't worry, I am going to make a formal complaint about the new service to my Congressperson and other related politicos in my district.Flatbush Avenue NEEDS the Q35 making ALL local stops to suppliment the B41 service that suffers from a bad case of BUNCHING due to the traffic snarls of Downtown Brooklyn and the Flatbush Avenue shopping district (area between Church Avenue and Nostrand Junction). |
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Posted by BMT Guy on Sat Mar 10 12:10:39 2007, in response to Re: It Finally Happenned: Q35 Limited Stops, posted by New Flyer #857 on Sat Mar 10 12:03:26 2007. Not exactly. I've seen bus operators stop at a bus stop w/o anyone wanting to get on or off.....Sometimes they do that to keep to their schedule particularly if they are running 'hot'. |
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Posted by BMT Guy on Sat Mar 10 12:12:56 2007, in response to Re: It Finally Happenned: Q35 Limited Stops, posted by AMoreira81 on Sat Mar 10 11:15:09 2007. Avenue C = Cortelyou Road, but not Claredon. BTW, this is similar situation in Flatbush/East Flatbush nabes where you have two F streets, Foster and Farragut Roads. I believe Foster is considered Ave. F since it runs further east and west than Farragut Road. |
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Posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Sat Mar 10 12:28:36 2007, in response to Re: It Finally Happenned: Q35 Limited Stops, posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Mar 9 23:44:22 2007. Amersfort Ave was a natural extension of East 53rd Street, while the original East 53rd Street between Aves T & U was off to the side. I guess that's why they changed it. |
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Posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Sat Mar 10 12:30:27 2007, in response to Re: It Finally Happenned: Q35 Limited Stops, posted by BMT Guy on Sat Mar 10 12:12:56 2007. There is an Avenue F in Brooklyn. It runs for only a short distance, below Ditmas Ave and above 18th Ave, from Ocean Pkway to McDonald Ave, if memory serves. |
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Posted by BMT Guy on Sat Mar 10 12:50:16 2007, in response to Re: It Finally Happenned: Q35 Limited Stops, posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Sat Mar 10 12:30:27 2007. That becomes Foster Avenue EAST of Ocean Parkway....Just like Avenue D = Ditmas East of Ocean Parkway. And of course Beverly Road = Ave. B at some point. Brooklyn's wacky street naming is due to the fact that most neighborhoods east of Flatbush Avenue and south of Empire Boulevard were originally Dutch farming communities, like Flatlands and Midwood, while the Town of New Utrecht -- which was made up of nabes like Borough Park, Bay Ridge and Bensonhurst -- were owned by British-decendants. That is why streets west of Ocean Parkway use almost exclusively numbers and not names. Northern nabes in Brooklyn (which was the original City of Brooklyn) use almost exclusively NAMES in their street grid system.Also, nabes that were developed after most of Brooklyn was already developed, like Canarsie, Mill Basin and Marine Park had to use a numbered system since the Ciy of New York ran out of appropriate names to assign to these 'newer' neighborhoods. |
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Posted by Eric B on Sat Mar 10 13:28:29 2007, in response to Re: It Finally Happenned: Q35 Limited Stops, posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Sat Mar 10 12:28:36 2007. I always thought Haring-Knapp St. should be swapped with E 31-E 38 south of Kings Hwy., to put the numbered streets back in their proper place. |
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Posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Sat Mar 10 13:35:41 2007, in response to Re: It Finally Happenned: Q35 Limited Stops, posted by Eric B on Sat Mar 10 13:28:29 2007. True. that would eliminate confusion with Ford Street. Not too many people know, there is another Ford Street up near Lincoln Terrace Park, I believe. It runs for about a block. |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Sat Mar 10 14:39:11 2007, in response to Re: It Finally Happenned: Q35 Limited Stops, posted by BMT Guy on Sat Mar 10 12:10:39 2007. I admit not being a B/O or knowing everything about the job, but I don't understand why a B/O can't just follow MTA's instructions and wait in a stop until they are back on schedule instead of trying to drive slowly, sitting through green lights holding up other traffic, pretending to miss lights, and things like that.It's so simple. Then you can sit and maybe read the paper for a couple of minutes! |
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Posted by PATHman on Sat Mar 10 15:14:41 2007, in response to It Finally Happenned: Q35 Limited Stops, posted by BMT Guy on Thu Mar 8 16:06:16 2007. Before the Q35 runs Limited it needs to improve its current service. It has service similar to that of LI Bus. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Sat Mar 10 15:18:43 2007, in response to Re: It Finally Happenned: Q35 Limited Stops, posted by PATHman on Sat Mar 10 15:14:41 2007. The Q35 is a route that needs some help. However, adding another bus per hour should probably do the trick. (IMO, perhaps closed-door operations to Kings Plaza would be warranted to help the schedule (local passengers are NOT carried between Kings Plaza and Nostrand Junction).To that effect, IMO, northbound, the Q35 should have its stop moved to where the B2 stop was before the stops at Kings Plaza were reconfigured. Southbound, however, I am not sure if the stop should be moved. |
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Posted by Grand Concourse on Sat Mar 10 15:42:21 2007, in response to Re: It Finally Happenned: Q35 Limited Stops, posted by New Flyer #857 on Fri Mar 9 14:11:26 2007. I think it speeds up the ride and to keep it on schedule as by bypassing the local stops b/w Kings Hgwy and Nostrand, it picks up some speed as well as avoiding dwell time at each stop which seriously slows down the Q35. |
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Posted by Grand Concourse on Sat Mar 10 15:46:45 2007, in response to Re: It Finally Happenned: Q35 Limited Stops, posted by New Flyer #857 on Fri Mar 9 09:42:11 2007. That's great, thanks. |
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Posted by Grand Concourse on Sat Mar 10 15:47:43 2007, in response to Re: It Finally Happenned: Q35 Limited Stops, posted by QM18Express on Fri Mar 9 11:13:40 2007. Ok just making sure, one day I'm thinking about just taking the Bm2 to Manhattan to see how the ride is like. |
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Re: Q35 |
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Posted by 9 local on Sat Mar 10 16:56:38 2007, in response to Re: Q35, posted by New Flyer #857 on Sat Mar 10 08:31:03 2007. well, from someone i was talking to who was on the bus earlier today, it stopped at fillmore. |
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Posted by Q101 E. MIDTOWN 2 AV on Sat Mar 10 17:03:03 2007, in response to Re: It Finally Happenned: Q35 Limited Stops, posted by AMoreira81 on Sat Mar 10 15:18:43 2007. IMO, people who get on @ Nostrand should only get off @ Kings Plaza.Some people who get on at or Av H get off at the following stop. |
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Posted by Q101 E. MIDTOWN 2 AV on Sat Mar 10 17:06:15 2007, in response to Re: It Finally Happenned: Q35 Limited Stops, posted by BMT Guy on Sat Mar 10 12:08:22 2007. Not that many people travel between Flatbush Junction and Kings Plaza. |
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