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Posted by Flxible870b on Thu Sep 3 11:23:15 2009, in response to Re: NJT NABI buses will start to arrive in South Jersey, posted by busdude2 on Thu Sep 3 08:53:09 2009. FIRST OFF I AM NOT TALKING SHIT ABOUT NJT! I LOVE NJT! I HAVE BEEN WORKING FOR THEM FOR 10 YEARS NOW! Secondly, I operate these buses on a daily basis and I can vouch for the quality of a good bus. Third, Just because a bus has a brand new smell and good A/C doesnt mean its a good bus. Fourth, The information that I have passed on is not just from myself but from other mechanics, the people that fix the things idiot owners like u will never see.And its assholes like u that put ur passengers on shitty equipment with parts falling off and ur drivers at risk. I wouldnt work for a scumbag like u, cause its assholes like u that shouldnt even own a transportation company or so u say. Why dont u enlighten us MR. TRANSPORTATION OWNER and tell us wat ur company name is and wat kind of buses u own and operate under your own name. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Sep 3 11:23:31 2009, in response to Re: NJT NABI buses will start to arrive in South Jersey, posted by Flxible870b on Thu Sep 3 11:07:42 2009. They will never get no more than 10 yrs out of these buses. Ok, I've bookmarked this claim for the future. We'll see in 10 years. Take Pride,
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Sep 3 11:25:20 2009, in response to Re: NJT NABI buses will start to arrive in South Jersey, posted by Flxible870b on Thu Sep 3 11:23:15 2009. haha, pwn3d |
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Posted by The Flxible Neofan on Thu Sep 3 12:28:26 2009, in response to Re: NJT NABI buses will start to arrive in South Jersey, posted by Flxible870b on Thu Sep 3 11:07:42 2009. We could be driving them down the block and they will just shift into neutral at 50mph.You know, I think I've witnessed this at WRTC on one of the NABI buses. He was starting to pull out, and was revving up, but nothing happened (he was in Neutral). I just figured he forgot to shift back to drive after picking up people, but I think I heard your claim elsewhere as well. These are some serious teething issues, and I would advise that NJT work them out before getting the next batch of buses delivered. |
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Posted by The Flxible Neofan on Thu Sep 3 12:31:08 2009, in response to Re: NJT NABI buses will start to arrive in South Jersey, posted by Flxible870b on Thu Sep 3 11:09:17 2009. New Registers? What do those look like? How are they different from the older ones? I wonder if Washington Twp will get them! |
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Posted by rionOne on Thu Sep 3 13:12:47 2009, in response to Re: NJT NABI buses will start to arrive in South Jersey, posted by R33/R36 mainline on Tue Sep 1 22:04:07 2009. Don't sleep on the Orion VIIs either. Despite all of the MAJOR teething issues when the Orion VIIs first came on the scene, they have performed WELL past my expectations and I believe past a few others as well.The New Next Generation Orions, IMO, ride 100 times smoother than the Older Generation. I D K about anything and those NGs are still too relatively new to form any solid conclusion. Me personally, I wait until at least 5 years before saying a bus is great. 5 year is pretty much midlife and at that point you can truly say ok the bus is good. Now, in respect to New Jersey's NABIs, I honestly believe that over time, the issues with these buses will be ironed out. Thanks to NJDOT and some of NJT's overzealousness in customizations in making buses similar to the MCI D-Series Cruisers, these buses pretty much had to be redesigned from the ground up. Thus pretty much making this a whole new model. I do not know to what degree this bus was test or whether it saw time in Altoona because since it’s marketed as the Model 416 (40-SFW), an already test model, it may not have had to see Altoona. Altoona is pretty much the it place for a new bus, it pretty much puts a 12-year life span of abuse on a bus in an EXTREMELY short period of time to test its worthiness to the industry. Now TO A DEGREE, I understand NJT's concept, have all the buses similar in operation thus cutting down on parts inventory. That is why the MCI Cruisers came in with that new left-side dash setup; it matched the Novas to cut down on training. I also think that this is why the order is coming in so slowly because NJT is working with NABI to correct these issues as they come along. Case in point, remember 5201 with its doggish CAT C-9? Well, that is why the order is now coming in with CAT- C-13 engines. I've heard that NABI's customer service is really good. Now Bee-Line's NABI 40-LFW Hybrids are freaking great. Solid feeling really nice buses so far... Regards, Trevor Logan, Jr. www.ttmg.org |
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Posted by neolife07 on Thu Sep 3 13:22:24 2009, in response to Re: NJT NABI buses will start to arrive in South Jersey, posted by rionOne on Thu Sep 3 13:12:47 2009. Altoona never tested this version of the 416. As you said and are correct, the 416 model has already been tested by Altoona back in the early 1990s. I really wish they would test this model of the 416 though, to see where this model really stands instead of using past 416 as its leverage.Hopefully we can get the bugs ironed out. With New Flyer Gillig and Orion now corning the Market and monopolizing areas with their project, I would really hate these issues being the beginning of NABI's downfall. |
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Posted by Ken S. on Thu Sep 3 15:25:19 2009, in response to Re: NJT NABI buses will start to arrive in South Jersey, posted by The Flxible Neofan on Thu Sep 3 12:31:08 2009. They give out white receipts instead of yellow ones. They're also a bit smalled then the old ones. |
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Posted by ctrabs74 on Fri Sep 4 05:47:03 2009, in response to Re: NJT NABI buses will start to arrive in South Jersey, posted by neolife07 on Thu Sep 3 13:22:24 2009. Hopefully, that won't be the case - remember that NABI still has major orders with the Los Angeles County MTA and that LACMTA has been a very loyal NABI customer since at least the turn of the century (I can't believe I'm even using that term).The ultimate test of how good or bad a bus stays in service really depends on the operator. How well NJT maintains these buses will be the real question as to whether or not this order is successful. |
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Posted by TC40102A#9167 on Fri Sep 4 09:08:06 2009, in response to Re: NJT NABI buses will start to arrive in South Jersey, posted by ctrabs74 on Fri Sep 4 05:47:03 2009. Agreed and very well said indeed. Upkeep and maintenance is the key to any success story to group of vehicles. I was just having this discussion with my brother last night and spoke of LACMTA and their success with NABI and the build quality is quite impressive and they seem to be very well maintained. |
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Posted by TC40102A#9167 on Fri Sep 4 09:27:02 2009, in response to Re: NJT NABI buses will start to arrive in South Jersey, posted by kcram3500 on Thu Sep 3 07:31:38 2009. Good to hear that NJT asks their customers about interiors, which I have always found impressive about them, versus MTA where its pretty much buy now ask later and when asked via public hearings, notes are taken and very little is done. You used a very key statement about the interiors which is so true "Comfortable" & "Attractive" which in all honesty keeps the people coming and makes the use of public transportation viable and attractive. |
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Posted by TC40102A#9167 on Fri Sep 4 09:34:39 2009, in response to Re: NJT NABI buses will start to arrive in South Jersey, posted by kcram3500 on Thu Sep 3 07:38:24 2009. OMG Station Wagons! Now that is what I am talking about LOLOL Yes I am showing my age. Excellent concept and you are so right and does make sense when you think about the way the air flows to the engine compartment. |
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Posted by rionOne on Fri Sep 4 09:57:08 2009, in response to Re: NJT NABI buses will start to arrive in South Jersey, posted by TC40102A#9167 on Fri Sep 4 09:27:02 2009. And since the MCI D4000 Cruiser order and as well as the ALSTOM Comet V Push-Pull Cars, NJ Transit has been having Customer and Employee input on purchases. Its amazing how comfortable I am in a NJT Neoplan as opposed to a PAT Neoplan. Same Suburban Concept.When Alan Kiepper was in office, he was the reason why our NovaBUS RTS-06 and Orion 05.501 Suburbans came in with such GREAT leg room, because he was a really tall man, his concept was that if his knees touched the seat in front of him, it didn't work. So in reality, our Nova and Orion Suburbans were custom seat jobs in terms of seat pitch. Kiepper also did the same thing when he was in Houston. Houston buses have GREAT leg room. -Trevor |
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Posted by kcram3500 on Fri Sep 4 11:51:29 2009, in response to Re: NJT NABI buses will start to arrive in South Jersey, posted by rionOne on Fri Sep 4 09:57:08 2009. Similar story with NJT's first MC-9s. The contract was for 53 seats, but when a demo was originally sent that way, NJT Executive Director Jerry Premo (6'4") sat in it and said "no - let's go with 49."NJT's NABIs have 42 seats... a number that is possible in some brands' 40-foot low floors, but without the loss of seating over the front axle, the NJT NABIs have superior legroom. In contrast, Public Service ordered their 40-foot transit buses with 51 seats. |
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Posted by QM18Express on Fri Sep 4 13:02:17 2009, in response to Re: NJT NABI buses will start to arrive in South Jersey, posted by TC40102A#9167 on Fri Sep 4 09:27:02 2009. Thats quite interesting to know about it! I never seen TA's ask people on how the interior is! |
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Posted by ctrabs74 on Fri Sep 4 22:02:41 2009, in response to Re: NJT NABI buses will start to arrive in South Jersey, posted by kcram3500 on Fri Sep 4 11:51:29 2009. SEPTA's NABIs seat 44, so, depending a difference of only two seats between NJT's NABI suburbans and SEPTA's NABI's doesn't appear to be that big of a difference. Does anyone know for certain how many seats NJT's NABI transit models will have? |
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Posted by TRANSIT JEFF on Sat Sep 5 04:41:05 2009, in response to Re: NJT NABI buses will start to arrive in South Jersey, posted by TC40102A#9167 on Thu Sep 3 02:13:48 2009. Cameras are a deterrent in many cases. They have helped apprehend vandals and even helped in operator assault cases. High floor buses are obsolete as far as the transit industry and bus builders are concerned. NABI tried to convince NJT to order low floors, since that's what they basically build now. High floors are almost a "special order" now, but with the volumn of buses NJT ordered, NABI would do anything.A twenty year old bus is very costly to maintain and keep running. You know that! The METRO B's were totally shot. And passenger/operator comforts and amenities were non-existant. Why subject the ridership to crap like that. It's no way to keep present riders or attract new ones. And in many cases the METRO B's didn't meet ADA requirements. They had to go.....period..... |
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Posted by TRANSIT JEFF on Sat Sep 5 04:44:52 2009, in response to Re: NJT NABI buses will start to arrive in South Jersey, posted by rionOne on Tue Sep 1 21:05:33 2009. It's the same story with any new fleet, no matter who built them. The bugs will be worked out. Relax...... |
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Posted by TRANSIT JEFF on Sat Sep 5 04:53:28 2009, in response to Re: NJT NABI buses will start to arrive in South Jersey, posted by Ken S. on Thu Sep 3 15:25:19 2009. As far as I know, the new registers and fareboxes will be equipped with readers for the upcoming "smart card" fare system. When complete, this will be a Universal Fare Card that will be much like a debit card or Easy Pass. It hopefully will be used on NJT, PATH, NYCTA, PATCO and SEPTA. I can't give an exact timeframe for its implementation yet. |
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Posted by TRANSIT JEFF on Sat Sep 5 05:04:02 2009, in response to Re: NJT NABI buses will start to arrive in South Jersey, posted by TC40102A#9167 on Fri Sep 4 09:27:02 2009. Yes, and how do you give your passengers "comfortable & attractive" service with 20 year old Flxible METRO B's? Yes, public transportation has be be a viable and attractive alternative to driving. This should answer all of you guys who "love" the METRO B's. The NABI's are a big improvement, both passenger wise and operator wise. And in the end, easier and less costly to maintain. You'll see...... |
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Posted by TRANSIT JEFF on Sat Sep 5 05:14:01 2009, in response to Re: NJT NABI buses will start to arrive in South Jersey, posted by busdude2 on Thu Sep 3 08:53:09 2009. I agree with you completely. This guy is obviously a disgruntled employee who would hate it if you gave him a Rolls Royce to drive. He'd find fault with it. He probably hates his dog too!! |
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Posted by TRANSIT JEFF on Sat Sep 5 05:25:10 2009, in response to Re: NJT NABI buses will start to arrive in South Jersey, posted by TC40102A#9167 on Wed Sep 2 13:30:10 2009. Wow...what a laugh.....you call the 20 year old METRO B's "DEPENDABLE and SPEEDY"! What are you smoking? Have you tried to go over the Ben Franklin Bridge in one lately? Have you been on Rt. 42 or the A C Expressway in one lately? Have you tried to stay on time with one lately? They're so underpowered, they can't go over a match stick. The acceleration is a joke, even with the air-conditioning shut off. Just think about what you said here. Your credibility is in serious jeopardy. |
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Posted by JAzumah on Sat Sep 5 06:26:35 2009, in response to Re: NJT NABI buses will start to arrive in South Jersey, posted by TRANSIT JEFF on Sat Sep 5 04:41:05 2009. High floors are not obsolete. They work very well in hilly or undermaintained locations. Staten Island is not the only place low floors are bottoming out. |
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Posted by neolife07 on Sat Sep 5 06:43:06 2009, in response to Re: NJT NABI buses will start to arrive in South Jersey, posted by JAzumah on Sat Sep 5 06:26:35 2009. I preferred a high floor on the expressway to a Low floor! |
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Posted by Flxible870b on Sat Sep 5 10:00:11 2009, in response to Re: NJT NABI buses will start to arrive in South Jersey, posted by TRANSIT JEFF on Sat Sep 5 05:14:01 2009. Jeff,Here you go, did I even mention you in any of these statements. NO! not one time! But, now you want to put your 2 sense in, especially for someone who promote themselves with business cards with NJT on it. When in reality you never worked a day in ur life for NJT, just maybe as a consultant. I am not a disgruntled employee for your information. I have an excellent record and have no problems with any management. I realize the Flxibles are old and should be retired. But, the NABI Buses are not a quality built piece of equipment. I don't even need to tell you, ask other operators and especially some of the veteran mechanics that have worked on every kind of bus NJT ever owned. But, with the quality issues these buses present, the Flxibles are still better off being in service. Like I have mentioned being modern and new doesn't make it a good bus. You don't even operate buses, how would you know what a good bus is other than riding in the passenger seat and enjoying the smell and comfort of a new bus. I could have probably driven a brand new Blue Bird or Eldorado and you would have said the same thing about them beings better than the Flxibles. So, why don't you do me a favor, explain to me what your credibility is with buses other than the fact you are a passenger that likes something new. By the way I don't have a dog. Have a great day! |
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Posted by busdude2 on Sat Sep 5 10:35:41 2009, in response to Re: NJT NABI buses will start to arrive in South Jersey, posted by TRANSIT JEFF on Sat Sep 5 05:14:01 2009. My point is he is just a driver. Even if the Nabi's are garbage its njt that must deal with this. When all is said and done if he wants to drive better buses then maybe an MCI or Nova route will become available. Until then I sure would not bite the hand that feeds me in this case NJT. I hope the Nabi problems can be fixed the passengers deserve it and thats what its really all about. |
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Posted by TC40102A#9167 on Sat Sep 5 11:06:01 2009, in response to Re: NJT NABI buses will start to arrive in South Jersey, posted by JAzumah on Sat Sep 5 06:26:35 2009. THANK YOU! Someone who truly understands. |
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Posted by TC40102A#9167 on Sat Sep 5 11:18:00 2009, in response to Re: NJT NABI buses will start to arrive in South Jersey, posted by TRANSIT JEFF on Sat Sep 5 04:41:05 2009. When you are spending your money for equipment the manufacturer can convince the customer all they like, the bottom line is what is requested and payment for the product that is offered at the time of the contract negotiation. High Floor buses again are not obsolete and they have a very necessary purpose in a lot of places, but because of government intervention properties that were quick to jump on the low floor bandwagon are learning their lessons right now with such things as loss of ridership due to reduced capacity from a revenue standpoint.Secondly in some places low floor buses cannot be used because they will bottom out due to the infrastructure of the roads in some places, and no one is going to pay money to change the way a street or road is built to keep a bus from bottoming out, when it's cheaper to purchase equipment that can handle the job. I stated in a post earlier on that I read in METRO magazine which did a survey and the need for high floor buses are starting to turn upwards again, for the simple fact that certain TA's are not impressed with their performance and passenger complaints have risen due to reduced capacity. THAT IS A FACT. I'm not knocking you your opinion, so I will put that on the table now, but we all like what we like and I personally like both kinds of buses, but you have to understand your environment and what works vs what doesn't. |
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Posted by rionOne on Sat Sep 5 11:38:36 2009, in response to Re: NJT NABI buses will start to arrive in South Jersey, posted by TRANSIT JEFF on Sat Sep 5 05:25:10 2009. We're sorry that NJT South Jersey METRO-B don't move, but in North Jersey, they MOVE! |
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Posted by rionOne on Sat Sep 5 11:40:25 2009, in response to Re: NJT NABI buses will start to arrive in South Jersey, posted by Flxible870b on Thu Sep 3 11:23:15 2009. Oooo child your blood pressure, Trust me, its not worth it... |
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Posted by rionOne on Sat Sep 5 11:47:27 2009, in response to Re: NJT NABI buses will start to arrive in South Jersey, posted by The Flxible Neofan on Thu Sep 3 12:28:26 2009. Like I said in a earlier post, I believe the NJT and NABI are working on these issues because this is order is coming in drips and drabs. NABI has the rest of this 1,365 bus order to get it right. This is like any new bus (Yes, this variation of the 416 is pretty much a new bus) wherein, they are gonna have to continually monitor the units currently in service and make the changes as they go along. Let's hope its not too far into the order that they get past the teething issues.Again, I like the NABI, I like the look, the comfort, but I'm not so nieve (I guess from being a driver), that these buses do have issues. -Trevor |
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Posted by rionOne on Sat Sep 5 11:48:24 2009, in response to Re: NJT NABI buses will start to arrive in South Jersey, posted by neolife07 on Sat Sep 5 06:43:06 2009. You know I have to agree however, The NABI CompoBUS and the New Flyer Low Floors don't perform to badly on the highways either.-Trevor |
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Posted by tbev on Sat Sep 5 12:05:44 2009, in response to Re: NJT NABI buses will start to arrive in South Jersey, posted by TRANSIT JEFF on Sat Sep 5 05:25:10 2009. South Jersey has sorry maintenance which ends up with sorry buses . Many northern flxs would run circles around their southern counterparts. |
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Posted by TC40102A#9167 on Sat Sep 5 12:08:10 2009, in response to Re: NJT NABI buses will start to arrive in South Jersey, posted by rionOne on Sat Sep 5 11:38:36 2009. Yes Indeed they do! South Jersey has a few exceptions to the rule like anyplace lol |
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Posted by TC40102A#9167 on Sat Sep 5 12:11:04 2009, in response to Re: NJT NABI buses will start to arrive in South Jersey, posted by rionOne on Sat Sep 5 11:40:25 2009. Agreeed! Not worth it at all. |
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Posted by Dr. Casca on Sat Sep 5 12:38:05 2009, in response to Re: NJT NABI buses will start to arrive in South Jersey, posted by TRANSIT JEFF on Sat Sep 5 05:25:10 2009. Well, obviously South Jersey's Flxibles (or anything else except the MCIs, for that matter) don't run worth shit, but come up to North Jersey (while they're still chugging along) and you'll see some runners, and the ones that don't look the greatest are some of our best runners...and I know some guys that take out Metro-Bs up here and manage to not only stay on time but they often run hot with them, they know their bus and they know how to run them. As far as takeoff and driveability, it's all about the maintenance and how buses are set in each division.So yeah, he knows what he is talking about, he's got years of experience in this hobby and in the industry for him to not have to worry about his credibility. |
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Posted by Dr. Casca on Sat Sep 5 12:40:58 2009, in response to Re: NJT NABI buses will start to arrive in South Jersey, posted by rionOne on Sat Sep 5 11:48:24 2009. I can agree with you on that, prime example, Phoenix's suburban Compobuses handled quite well and the rode very comfortable on the highway (and some of their lines spend upwards of an hour on the highway). Another prime example is CT Transit's I-bus Flyers... |
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Posted by TC40102A#9167 on Sat Sep 5 12:54:09 2009, in response to Re: NJT NABI buses will start to arrive in South Jersey, posted by TC40102A#9167 on Wed Sep 2 13:30:10 2009. PLEASE! You don't know me from a can of paint and don't dare talk about credibility because yours definitely have holes in it wider than swiss cheese. I'm not one of your friends or kids that you play with on this damn board, so don't play yourself any further. I'm a grown man, I don't talk to you that way so don't do it to me. RESPECT. Lastly. Learn to "Quote" people correctly because you can cause a lot of trouble and have problems with people due to your lack of reading comprehension and excitement that is coupled with being a pubescent teen or almost grown man. Lets act our age and respect one another on here. There is no love lost on my end.NOW..... The reason why your METRO B's down there run like that is due to DDEC settings which are not factory standard settings, that's why those buses run like SHYT! and we have quite a few of them up here and they needed the TLC they deserve, and yes I have for your information rode those damn slow ass METRO B's down there across the Ben Franklin and they are still comfortable in my opinion. I make it my purpose every time I come down to Philly, and 3000 its self is my favorite next to 3275. SOUHTH JERSEY MAINTENANCE SUCKS! If your management would listen to the operators,and the passengers if they are complaining to the right people, then mechanics would set them the right way, but that goes to show over the years what little progress has been made with that issue. Peace! |
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Posted by TC40102A#9167 on Sat Sep 5 12:58:26 2009, in response to Re: NJT NABI buses will start to arrive in South Jersey, posted by Dr. Casca on Sat Sep 5 12:38:05 2009. Thank you very much Dr. Casca I greatly appreciate your support and your respect. |
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Posted by TC40102A#9167 on Sat Sep 5 12:59:39 2009, in response to Re: NJT NABI buses will start to arrive in South Jersey, posted by Dr. Casca on Sat Sep 5 12:40:58 2009. Absolutely! You guys are correct and very nice low floor coaches indeed. I can see NJT with some New Flyer and NABI Suburbans, would be quite interesting to see lol. |
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Posted by The TransitMan on Sat Sep 5 13:01:22 2009, in response to Re: NJT NABI buses will start to arrive in South Jersey, posted by busdude2 on Thu Sep 3 08:53:09 2009. Professional? Look, have you even met "Flxible870b"? Have you ridden with him? NO! So YOU STFU! Professional...like you are?I've ridden with him and and he's (in my opinion) one of the reasons why NJTransit has NOTHING but professionals operating there vehicles. "Flxible870b" also has the respect of passengers, especially with the handicap (I've seen that myself recently). So therefore, check your information before you start judging. |
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Posted by The TransitMan on Sat Sep 5 13:22:16 2009, in response to Re: NJT NABI buses will start to arrive in South Jersey, posted by TRANSIT JEFF on Sat Sep 5 05:25:10 2009. "Have you tried to go over the Ben Franklin Bridge in one lately? Have you been on Rt. 42 or the A C Expressway in one lately? Have you tried to stay on time with one lately?"Here's a better set of questions: Have you tried to go across the George Washington Bridge in one lately? Have you been on New Jersey Turnpike OR the Lincoln Tunnel lately? During my vacation, I was walking across the George Washington Bridge going back into Manhattan and out of nowhere a METRO-B flew past 8 cars...YES 8 CARS as I watched with amazement. I had my friend count with me. 8 cars before getting on the ramp and into the terminal. More than likely, this bus came from Market St. Now as far as this thing called "Credibility" is concerned, I'm no bus driver. Okay, I said it. JOY! However, how do we know that there could be a FEW South Jersey buses that could keep up with the North Jersey buses? Also, there are a few NJT bus operators from the "Northern Division" so they can REALLY talk and their credibility is just as "good" as yours. So you really have no right to judge another operator's credibility. I don't care if I'm an not a B/O. That's the truth! Or I could be like "busdude" and tell you to stop your bitching, shut the fuck up and DRIVE! However, I don't own a bus company so I can't. |
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Posted by The Flxible Neofan on Sat Sep 5 23:52:25 2009, in response to Re: NJT NABI buses will start to arrive in South Jersey, posted by TC40102A#9167 on Sat Sep 5 11:18:00 2009. The problem is, there are essentially no major manufacturers that offer a true heavy duty high floor anymore. Where are these properties to turn when they realize that they need a high floor bus?Just the other day I was driving by a SEPTA NABI that happened to be operating on the 14, a route that carries a lot of riders. For some reason, despite the 30 artics the depot received for that particular route, they find the need for 40 footers. As I drove by the bus, I thought about how awful it will be when the 40 foot fleet is completely replaced by low floors in the next few years. So many of these routes are so crowded, and the NABIs do a great job at swallowing crowds. I'd argue that SEPTA should get some more NABI 416s, because articulates are expensive to run. |
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Posted by The Flxible Neofan on Sun Sep 6 00:10:47 2009, in response to Re: NJT NABI buses will start to arrive in South Jersey, posted by TC40102A#9167 on Sat Sep 5 12:54:09 2009. 3275 is a nice bus but it runs out of Newton Ave, not Washington Twp. Washington Township has infamously poor maintenance, but thankfully they've managed to keep the Flxes running somewhat. In their defense, I'll state that the Flxes have been running in 7 day a week service on incredibly long, heavy duty routes right up until the NABIs arrived. However, their buses tend to be junky and quite slow. It almost makes me want to cry riding their buses as they struggle to get up and over that hill. These days, they seem so much worse than I remember them...from just a few months ago. Newton Ave's maintenance is noticeably better, and I used to chase after those Metro Bs when I would go on my Southern NJT fan trips. Unfortunately, two Newtown Ave routes - the two that were Metro B strongholds, were cut back to Camden recently. Regardless, the new NABI buses are well needed. I do believe, however, that several years from now (or even sooner), they will start looking beaten up unless maintenance standards improve. Only the MCIs still look good out of Washington Twp, although I can't say much about the 30 foot RTSs that I only occasionally see. |
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Posted by Ken S. on Sun Sep 6 00:13:37 2009, in response to Re: NJT NABI buses will start to arrive in South Jersey, posted by The Flxible Neofan on Sun Sep 6 00:10:47 2009. Flxible 3275 was at Academy woth the low-1000 Novas, a few other Flxibles (ex-Lakeland 3267 was one of them), and a bunch of hand-me-down GM RTS buses prior to NJT taking over the 22, 23, and the rest of the 126 from them. |
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Posted by The Flxible Neofan on Sun Sep 6 00:15:06 2009, in response to Re: NJT NABI buses will start to arrive in South Jersey, posted by TC40102A#9167 on Sat Sep 5 12:08:10 2009. I wish I could get to ride your Metro Bs up North, but they don't run them as much as they do down south. More wear and tear down here.Some of the transplants down here have been quite nice, though - thanks for them! ^_^ |
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Posted by The Flxible Neofan on Sun Sep 6 00:19:04 2009, in response to Re: NJT NABI buses will start to arrive in South Jersey, posted by Ken S. on Sun Sep 6 00:13:37 2009. Hmm! I didn't realize it was an Academy bus - it doesn't have the trademark Academy destination sign area fleet numbers. I remember that 3275 was a transplant, though. Thanks for the details of its history.But I thought that Academy still ran the 22: http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b62/Bastranz/New%20Jersey%20Transit/RTS/Academy1215-WashingtonSt-Hoboken-8-.jpg It still has the front logo. Or was this a very recent change? |
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Posted by The Flxible Neofan on Sun Sep 6 00:19:23 2009, in response to Re: NJT NABI buses will start to arrive in South Jersey, posted by Ken S. on Sun Sep 6 00:13:37 2009. Hmm! I didn't realize it was an Academy bus - it doesn't have the trademark Academy destination sign area fleet numbers. I remember that 3275 was a transplant, though. Thanks for the details of its history.But I thought that Academy still ran the 22:  It still has the front logo. Or was this a very recent change? |
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Posted by Ken S. on Sun Sep 6 00:25:43 2009, in response to Re: NJT NABI buses will start to arrive in South Jersey, posted by The Flxible Neofan on Sun Sep 6 00:19:23 2009. It's an NJT contract route now. Academy used to run it as an IBOA of sorts. I think part of it had to do with Academy wanting to get rid of the GMs. |
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Posted by Bill From Maspeth on Sun Sep 6 04:59:49 2009, in response to Re: NJT NABI buses will start to arrive in South Jersey, posted by Ken S. on Sun Sep 6 00:25:43 2009. But that's not a GM, it;s a Nova, isn't it? |
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