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Re: Why do the R142 R143 and R160 have similar designs ? |
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Posted by KLCS on Fri Apr 25 15:28:13 2008, in response to Re: Why do the R142 R143 and R160 have similar designs ?, posted by randyo on Fri Apr 25 15:20:36 2008. For the frame and underbody of the R44's and R46's, are they stainless steel also? I think the R38, R40S/M, and R42 have regular steel frames and underbodies and the R32 has a stainless steel frame and underbody. The roofs of the R38/40/42 are regular steel and the ends of all cars R40 and up are fiverglass bonnets? Also, does this mean that the only stainless steel components on the R38/40/42 would be the exterior? Am I correct?Kyle |
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Posted by R32 on Fri Apr 25 21:08:48 2008, in response to Re: Why do the R142 R143 and R160 have similar designs ?, posted by 5119 on Fri Apr 25 13:26:33 2008. ....To say nothing of between-car accidents. Accidents on the TA where people fall between the cars are almost always on the 40 slants. they had a reputation for being dangerous crossing between cab ends.R-32. |
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Posted by R32 on Fri Apr 25 21:11:03 2008, in response to Re: Why do the R142 R143 and R160 have similar designs ?, posted by Edwards! on Thu Apr 24 15:58:35 2008. IAWTP;.... thst front door just couldn't be beat. Do you realize you could even sit on the floor and still see out?R-32. |
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Posted by R32 on Fri Apr 25 21:21:54 2008, in response to Re: Why do the R142 R143 and R160 have similar designs ?, posted by randyo on Thu Apr 24 15:33:58 2008. Yep, that's true; with the characteristic round and shiny forehead.I know that because I use to draw the subway cars and had to get the details down in order to have accurate drawings. R-32. |
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Posted by R32 on Fri Apr 25 21:26:11 2008, in response to Re: Why do the R142 R143 and R160 have similar designs ?, posted by Broadway Buffer on Thu Apr 24 19:31:22 2008. LOL!!! "Character"....that's a good one.R-32. |
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Posted by Grand concourse on Sat Apr 26 18:47:27 2008, in response to Re: Why do the R142 R143 and R160 have similar designs ?, posted by Broadway Buffer on Thu Apr 24 19:31:22 2008. Very true on that, those R160's will be big targets for that crowd. A bright, new, shinny train is like a sign saying 'tag me'. |
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Posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Sat Apr 26 18:50:16 2008, in response to Re: Why do the R142 R143 and R160 have similar designs ?, posted by Broadway Buffer on Thu Apr 24 19:31:22 2008. I don't mean that type of character, i mean built in, true character of a quality, sturdy railcar. |
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Posted by Broadway Buffer on Sat Apr 26 23:08:29 2008, in response to Re: Why do the R142 R143 and R160 have similar designs ?, posted by G1Ravage on Fri Apr 25 06:51:57 2008. And the designs of car classes somewhat reflect the decade in which they were made. The R-15s were very 1950s with the porthole windows and exterior paint scheme, the R-44s & R-46s with the fake wood, tan walls, and shades of orange seats reek of the 70s, and the R-62s & R-68s are reminiscent of the 80s with the stainless steel mirror interiors. Even the R-142s - R-160s represent the high-tech information era of today with all of their features, white & light blue-gray interiors, and that rippled stainless steel at the car ends (on most R-160s). |
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Posted by Grand concourse on Sat Apr 26 23:15:35 2008, in response to Re: Why do the R142 R143 and R160 have similar designs ?, posted by error46146 on Thu Apr 24 16:46:27 2008. Of course you're going to say that because of the rfw. That's still no reason to keep that pos around. |
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Posted by Grand concourse on Sat Apr 26 23:17:41 2008, in response to Re: Why do the R142 R143 and R160 have similar designs ?, posted by error46146 on Thu Apr 24 16:47:50 2008. I'd like to see you try to tape a slant's 'nose' with duck tape. |
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Posted by J trainloco on Sat Apr 26 23:53:57 2008, in response to Re: Why do the R142 R143 and R160 have similar designs ?, posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Thu Apr 24 10:17:08 2008. Lol, that's funny. Here are two pictures. Please tell me how the cars in the top picture have more character than the ones in the bottom. Identify the features that give said character. Age cannot be stated as a reason. 
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Posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Sun Apr 27 00:15:43 2008, in response to Re: Why do the R142 R143 and R160 have similar designs ?, posted by J trainloco on Sat Apr 26 23:53:57 2008. Color, better windows, more lines. Their faces have more character.The redbirds have more character than the 142s. Though older IRT stock has more character. I would even say the 32s, 38s, and slants have more character than the redbirds. Age isn't a factor. Stiil, those redbirds had character. 142s don't |
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Posted by metropod on Sun Apr 27 01:06:33 2008, in response to Re: Why do the R142 R143 and R160 have similar designs ?, posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Sun Apr 27 00:15:43 2008. Colorthey only painted them because they were normal steel and needed to be protected from water. a stainless car can get a lifetime of service with little external protection baring the major screw up. better windows How are they better? they're smaller. The 142s have nice big ones. more lines define lines Their faces have more character lets see, front window, storm door, NYCTA logo and route bullet above that, doesn't seem like "More". the only more would have been the front destination, but that could become very wrong very fast. |
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Posted by randyo on Sun Apr 27 16:31:22 2008, in response to Re: Why do the R142 R143 and R160 have similar designs ?, posted by Broadway Buffer on Sat Apr 26 23:08:29 2008. The only reason the R-62s and 68s had stainless steel interiors was because of the graffiti problem that was rampant at the time. Even the GOH R-42s got bare stainless steel interiors for that same reason. Now that the initial graffiti problem seems to have abated (unfortunately only to be replaced by scratchiti) a more pleasant blue interior has replaced the "greasy spoon diner" appearance of the earlier generation of rolling stock. |
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Posted by tracksionmotor on Sun Apr 27 16:54:37 2008, in response to Why do the R142 R143 and R160 have similar designs ?, posted by error46146 on Wed Apr 23 20:51:26 2008. To start with, we're talking cosmetics and uniform design features. The R142 has little to do with R143/R160 class cars.Now let's go to manufacturing: Kawasaki won the R160 contract and used existing tooling (R143) to produce the R160 carbody....biggest part of a contract car...you can change out trucks/propulsion/pneumatics/amenities but changing out carbody design is like scrapping a car design in Detroit.....MTA wants uniformity in the fleet. Bombardier won MTA contracts for M7/M7A EMUs but lost to Kawasaki for M8 dual-mode. Bombardier will get M9 contract....has tooling. Kawasaki lacks. All trains will look alike and work alike by 2020. |
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Posted by J trainloco on Mon Apr 28 17:47:43 2008, in response to Re: Why do the R142 R143 and R160 have similar designs ?, posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Sun Apr 27 00:15:43 2008. The R142s have a color.I like the big picture windows better. I don't know what 'more lines' means. |
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Posted by Broadway Buffer on Mon Apr 28 18:22:14 2008, in response to Re: Why do the R142 R143 and R160 have similar designs ?, posted by randyo on Sun Apr 27 16:31:22 2008. That makes sense, so I guess the greasy spoon diner look was just coincidental that it is somewhat 80s-like. But at least the stainless steel is a change from the infamous "TA tan" that would probably have colored the entire interiors of the R-62s & 68s otherwise. |
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Posted by Broadway Buffer on Mon Apr 28 18:32:25 2008, in response to Re: Why do the R142 R143 and R160 have similar designs ?, posted by metropod on Sun Apr 27 01:06:33 2008. Although the reasons for the red paint served more than aesthetic purpose, it was a big part of their character and definitely became a symbol of New York and the subway for many years as it has been popularized in art, movies, television (SNL's occasionally used subway-car mock up looks like a redbird interior) and even video games (Cruisin' World had a redbird pass over a Bronx highway). I don't know if the R-142s or many other car-types for that matter will ever achieve quite that degree of recognition. |
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Posted by caseyjim on Tue Apr 29 16:49:55 2008, in response to Re: Why do the R142 R143 and R160 have similar designs ?, posted by tracksionmotor on Sun Apr 27 16:54:37 2008. One may also be to facilitate the use and interchangeability of parts among the three models of subway cars to maximize standardization of the fleet as much as possible. That would make a lot of sense and keep maintenance costs from getting out of control as is the case with the rampant price gouging at the gas pump. |
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Tue Apr 29 17:00:52 2008, in response to Re: Why do the R142 R143 and R160 have similar designs ?, posted by Broadway Buffer on Thu Apr 24 19:24:45 2008. Nothing like being able to remove the palletized A/C unit. How long does it take to swap one out? That's how fast a car with bad A/C can retuirn to service.Also, don't forget they are coupled into 4 and 5 car sets. That's 4 or 5 cars you lose for a problem on one. |
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