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Re: No new cars for Staten Island Railway |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Fri Apr 30 10:35:01 2010, in response to No new cars for Staten Island Railway, posted by Dan on Fri Apr 30 09:57:08 2010. Why does SIR need new cars? The route is short, not that many people ride it and the cars themselves are probably still in good shape. |
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Posted by arnine on Fri Apr 30 10:41:39 2010, in response to Re: No new cars for Staten Island Railway, posted by Mitch45 on Fri Apr 30 10:35:01 2010. Well, some I think in SI feel that SI is a stepchild of a borough |
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Fri Apr 30 11:03:36 2010, in response to Re: No new cars for Staten Island Railway, posted by Mitch45 on Fri Apr 30 10:35:01 2010. As much as I like to see new cars, and being a Staten Island resident, I don't currently see a need to replace the cars. They're nowhere near being 'antiques'; and as long as identical cars continue to run in daily service on the subway, there's really no justification for anyone to ask for these relatively low-mileage cars to be replaced. |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Fri Apr 30 11:10:16 2010, in response to Re: No new cars for Staten Island Railway, posted by Hank Eisenstein on Fri Apr 30 11:03:36 2010. The SIR is a short, low speed, low stress railway with a minimum of switches and curves. Train cars could theoretically last decades on that line. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Fri Apr 30 11:15:04 2010, in response to Re: No new cars for Staten Island Railway, posted by arnine on Fri Apr 30 10:41:39 2010. SI is the "bastard stepchild" to the other four boroughs...LOL! |
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Posted by Dan on Fri Apr 30 11:22:21 2010, in response to Re: No new cars for Staten Island Railway, posted by Mitch45 on Fri Apr 30 11:10:16 2010. Still, the R44SI fleet has run outdoors for 37 years. The current rehab is the 2nd one in 20 years. I guess we'll have to wait till after 2014 unless the MTA really does move some "excess" R46s out here. |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Fri Apr 30 12:05:36 2010, in response to Re: No new cars for Staten Island Railway, posted by Dan on Fri Apr 30 11:22:21 2010. If it's safe and gets the job done, no one has a right to complain. |
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Posted by Tony Clifton on Fri Apr 30 12:11:07 2010, in response to Re: No new cars for Staten Island Railway, posted by Mitch45 on Fri Apr 30 11:10:16 2010. >>The SIR is a low speed railway<<That's fascinating! When did they slow it down!? People must be fuming over the fact that money was recently spent on projects that resulted in higher running speeds, only for them to go ahead and lower the speeds way down! |
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Posted by arnine on Fri Apr 30 12:23:36 2010, in response to Re: No new cars for Staten Island Railway, posted by JayZeeBMT on Fri Apr 30 11:15:04 2010. Yes but if you ask some Queens folk they'd say Queems is a stepchild personally as a Queens resident I disagree |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Apr 30 12:34:09 2010, in response to No new cars for Staten Island Railway, posted by Dan on Fri Apr 30 09:57:08 2010. "The rolling stock of the [Railway] might find itself more suited for an antique railroad museum in the Midwest, rather than a modern commuter railway in a city of over 500,000 people," City Councilmen Vincent Ignizio and Jim Oddo wrote in a letter to MTA Chairman Jay Walder.Are you fucking kidding me?  You're not a commuter railway, idiots. You're a rapid transit (subway) line. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Apr 30 12:34:41 2010, in response to Re: No new cars for Staten Island Railway, posted by arnine on Fri Apr 30 10:41:39 2010. They are. Deal with it or secede to Jersey. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Apr 30 12:35:11 2010, in response to Re: No new cars for Staten Island Railway, posted by Hank Eisenstein on Fri Apr 30 11:03:36 2010. Identical cars will be running in the subway for much of the next decade. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Apr 30 12:35:50 2010, in response to Re: No new cars for Staten Island Railway, posted by JayZeeBMT on Fri Apr 30 11:15:04 2010. Now that Fresh Kills has been closed, a bastard stepchild with no discernible use. |
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Fri Apr 30 12:36:30 2010, in response to Re: No new cars for Staten Island Railway, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Apr 30 12:35:11 2010. Which was my point. |
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Posted by RailBus63 on Fri Apr 30 12:36:50 2010, in response to No new cars for Staten Island Railway, posted by Dan on Fri Apr 30 09:57:08 2010. "The rolling stock of the [Railway] might find itself more suited for an antique railroad museum in the Midwest, rather than a modern commuter railway in a city of over 500,000 people," City Councilmen Vincent Ignizio and Jim Oddo wrote in a letter to MTA Chairman Jay Walder.I can speak a little Politicese - let me translate this into English: "WAAAH! Every other borough got new train cars! We want new train cars too! WAHHHH!" |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Fri Apr 30 12:58:29 2010, in response to Re: No new cars for Staten Island Railway, posted by arnine on Fri Apr 30 10:41:39 2010. Well, some I think in SI feel that SI is a stepchild of a boroughNeeds should dictate where resources are allocated, not petulance. |
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Posted by arnine on Fri Apr 30 13:00:10 2010, in response to Re: No new cars for Staten Island Railway, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Fri Apr 30 12:58:29 2010. Correct |
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Posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Fri Apr 30 13:51:35 2010, in response to Re: No new cars for Staten Island Railway, posted by Mitch45 on Fri Apr 30 11:10:16 2010. The MUE-1 stock ran for well over forty years out there (1925-1972/3); albeit it was rather decrepit at the end. My last trip on those was in Dec. 1972; the poor things felt like they were going to shake themselves apart and they could barely get above ~20MPH.wayne |
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Posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Fri Apr 30 13:53:41 2010, in response to Re: No new cars for Staten Island Railway, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Apr 30 12:35:11 2010. The 68/68A's should stick around until at least '20, no?-w- |
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Posted by Randyo on Fri Apr 30 14:03:25 2010, in response to Re: No new cars for Staten Island Railway, posted by RailBus63 on Fri Apr 30 12:36:50 2010. Since the SI R-44s unlike NYCT's are almost identical in appearance to the much newer R-68s (and actually, their stainless steel exteriors are better looking than the R-68s) Staten Islanders really have no gripe. In fact, I think the R-44 through 68 design is superior to that of the NTTs and probably should have been used on them. |
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Posted by BarnYard on Fri Apr 30 14:29:06 2010, in response to Re: No new cars for Staten Island Railway, posted by RailBus63 on Fri Apr 30 12:36:50 2010. SI residents are going to complain because nobody wants hand medowns.As far as seceding,go back to the War of Northern Aggression, & you'll find Richmond County was sympathetic to the Confederate cause.(I found it ironic when the first MCI delivered went to SI & was #1861).They pay taxes & want services for their taxes.Remember there are two kinds of people in this world:those who pay taxes & those who live off them. As far as the city councilmen mentioned,Jim Oddo has my respect. I don't know the other gentleman.Jim's dad retired from the TA after many years as a M/M switching in CIYD.Besides the fact he probably has better insight than most elected officials,I find myself in agreement with most of his stands.I hope he seeks & is elected to higher office as he runs out his term limit(s). All that said,I think cars that just got SMS'ed (2009/10) should be run to get back the investment put in them.At the same time, plans should start for their eventual replacement.If something different than what the subway orders is needed,an add-on order with another system should be looked at.Miami's cars were an add-on to Baltimore's order.I also think single & married pairs are most practical for SIRT.Four & five car units are not cost effective for a smaller system for many reasons. |
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Posted by mci guy on Fri Apr 30 15:30:34 2010, in response to Re: No new cars for Staten Island Railway, posted by BarnYard on Fri Apr 30 14:29:06 2010. another screwing for si which is what mta lovees to do. these cars are still 35 years old and are not r32s- the best car ta ever bought. |
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Posted by mci guy on Fri Apr 30 15:33:01 2010, in response to No new cars for Staten Island Railway, posted by Dan on Fri Apr 30 09:57:08 2010. ive met this woman maura. she should put her money where her mouth is and actually stand up for staten islanders. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Apr 30 15:33:41 2010, in response to Re: No new cars for Staten Island Railway, posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Fri Apr 30 13:53:41 2010. I'd call the hippos "similiar". The R46's, for the average rider, are identical. |
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Posted by mci guy on Fri Apr 30 15:34:55 2010, in response to Re: No new cars for Staten Island Railway, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Apr 30 12:35:50 2010. weve had this discourse before. your recyclables and other shit still comes out here. |
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Posted by mci guy on Fri Apr 30 15:35:27 2010, in response to Re: No new cars for Staten Island Railway, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Apr 30 12:34:41 2010. let us. tell silver. |
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Posted by mci guy on Fri Apr 30 15:36:30 2010, in response to Re: No new cars for Staten Island Railway, posted by Dan on Fri Apr 30 11:22:21 2010. who wants that crap. |
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Fri Apr 30 15:43:26 2010, in response to Re: No new cars for Staten Island Railway, posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Fri Apr 30 13:51:35 2010. The difference is that the B&O wasn't interested in doing anything but making sure the cars didn't fall apart while on the main; MTA is doing what they can to keep them in the same condition as their subway brethren. |
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Fri Apr 30 15:47:28 2010, in response to Re: No new cars for Staten Island Railway, posted by BarnYard on Fri Apr 30 14:29:06 2010. Miami and Baltimore are both new systems, with different characteristics than New York's. Even for a captive system like the SIR, it's highly unlikely that another city's cars could meet the specs needed. |
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Posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Fri Apr 30 15:52:11 2010, in response to Re: No new cars for Staten Island Railway, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Apr 30 15:33:41 2010. The R46's, for the average riderI've never been a fan of the 75 footers. That said the R-46s were the best of a bad lot. As for the R-68's, if you think SIRT is slow now wait till they start running R-68's out there. Compared to the R-68's the "Q-Types" were SST's. Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by ClearAspect on Fri Apr 30 15:54:46 2010, in response to Re: No new cars for Staten Island Railway, posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Fri Apr 30 15:52:11 2010. I think that's a bit unfair theres rarely a place where the R-68 roam where you can get real good speed. CPW is slow S/O 81st street and Concourse they put more timers than god knows what, they only place where 68s can show their stuff is on the 34-4 dash which they do very well, they do indeed fly also on the Brighton express which we all know is DoA for the time being but they hauled there too.The R68s came at a time where the MTA was big on governing speeds and when they went Timer Crazy, they didn't enjoy the freedom that 46s and older had. |
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Posted by Mr. D - Type on Fri Apr 30 16:25:01 2010, in response to Re: No new cars for Staten Island Railway, posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Fri Apr 30 15:52:11 2010. Where did the idea come about that the TA plans on sending 68's out to SI? Like others here, I have heard the possibility of 46's going out there especially the 2 car units, but the 68's ? |
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Posted by WillD on Fri Apr 30 16:33:36 2010, in response to No new cars for Staten Island Railway, posted by Dan on Fri Apr 30 09:57:08 2010. Good. Run the R44s into the ground and focus on other light rail lines for the time being. Then replace the R44s with a high floor LRV similar to the Rotterdam 5400s. That way we at least have the potential for some mechanical compatibility between the LRT fleets on the north and west side lines and SI would have a transportation system more suited to the low population density.
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Posted by Mitch45 on Fri Apr 30 16:35:38 2010, in response to Re: No new cars for Staten Island Railway, posted by Tony Clifton on Fri Apr 30 12:11:07 2010. Compared to the speeds run on the subway lines, it is positively pokey. |
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Posted by arnine on Fri Apr 30 16:45:46 2010, in response to Re: No new cars for Staten Island Railway, posted by WillD on Fri Apr 30 16:33:36 2010. Actually that is a good idea. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Apr 30 17:02:43 2010, in response to Re: No new cars for Staten Island Railway, posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Fri Apr 30 13:51:35 2010. I loved those groaners ... and the flippable seats were a nice touch too. |
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Posted by Easy on Fri Apr 30 17:05:49 2010, in response to Re: No new cars for Staten Island Railway, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Fri Apr 30 12:58:29 2010. Do they pay more in taxes than they get back? |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Apr 30 17:08:19 2010, in response to Re: No new cars for Staten Island Railway, posted by arnine on Fri Apr 30 10:41:39 2010. They should visit the Bronx. :) |
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Posted by Joe V on Fri Apr 30 17:09:10 2010, in response to No new cars for Staten Island Railway, posted by Dan on Fri Apr 30 09:57:08 2010. I assume the 14 pairs of A-A and A-B sets of R46's would be first to go to S.I. |
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Posted by Joe V on Fri Apr 30 17:15:20 2010, in response to Re: No new cars for Staten Island Railway, posted by arnine on Fri Apr 30 16:45:46 2010. SI is a light rail line trying to be heavy rail. |
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Posted by arnine on Fri Apr 30 17:16:07 2010, in response to Re: No new cars for Staten Island Railway, posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Apr 30 17:08:19 2010. Lol, well I think to some extent every borough would have those that claim their borough is a stepchild but I don't think so. As with my philosophy with those expecting the RR to quiet down in LIC & Ridgewood my opinion is you chose to live there do your homework and see what your new area is like and if you don't like it go somewhere else and if you do live there and don't like it quit bitching and move there isn't anyone putting a gun to ur head and telling u 2 live there |
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Posted by arnine on Fri Apr 30 17:20:01 2010, in response to Re: No new cars for Staten Island Railway, posted by Joe V on Fri Apr 30 17:15:20 2010. Well light rail wasn't around (in it's current form at least) at the time SIR was built (B&O I think) but right now it would be better to convert it to LRV but that would kill any future plans to connect it to the rest of the city not that it would ever happen anyways but if you convert SIR to LRV it can go anywhere they lay track :) |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Fri Apr 30 17:26:11 2010, in response to Re: No new cars for Staten Island Railway, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Apr 30 12:35:50 2010. You know, Chris, here we have ANOTHER thread turning into "Staten Island Sucks!". I'm really sorry to see this coming from you, as I agree with almost everything else you post. I also mourn the loss of the Jamaica Avenue El, and JUST TODAY, I was at 168th & Jamaica to take a look around while on a break from work. I noticed the "Terminal" lingerie shop. I wonder how many shoppers int he area would even know what that refers to...Staten Island has plenty of good people, and deserves to be included in transit as much as everyone else. Whether or not our R44s are in good enough shape to soldier on for a few more years can be reasonably debated. I'd even accept that they are. But the gratituous insults that are ROUTINELY heaped on Staten Island are quite tiresome. And I expected a lot better from you. |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Fri Apr 30 17:27:29 2010, in response to Re: No new cars for Staten Island Railway, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Fri Apr 30 12:58:29 2010. Even I agree with that. Now let's DISCUSS the viability of the SIR-R44s and not engage in name-calling. |
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Posted by arnine on Fri Apr 30 17:39:30 2010, in response to Re: No new cars for Staten Island Railway, posted by MainR3664 on Fri Apr 30 17:27:29 2010. Note I wasn't name-calling I just expressed what I have heard some SIer's say. Wasn't trying to knock SI sorry if I did |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Fri Apr 30 17:41:51 2010, in response to Re: No new cars for Staten Island Railway, posted by arnine on Fri Apr 30 17:39:30 2010. Well, thanks for the courtesy :) But I was actually responding to Chris R16/2730 (who I still like). |
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Posted by Wado MP73 on Fri Apr 30 17:42:39 2010, in response to Re: No new cars for Staten Island Railway, posted by Easy on Fri Apr 30 17:05:49 2010. The short answer is no. |
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Posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Fri Apr 30 17:46:05 2010, in response to Re: No new cars for Staten Island Railway, posted by ClearAspect on Fri Apr 30 15:54:46 2010. I think that's a bit unfair theres rarely a place where the R-68 roam where you can get real good speedActually I was thinking of one day when due some general order I was riding an N train of R-68's on the Sea beach express track and we kept being bypassed by an N train of R-40s running on the local track. I'm not an engineer but its that the motors on the R-68's were designed for a sixty-foot car not a seventy five foot one. The "Q" could fly too though. I remember riding them on the Myrtle Avenue El, going down-hill, with a good tail wind they could crack 35 MPH. Seriously though if the R-68's are one of your favorite cars then I hope you can enjoy many hours of riding them. Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by arnine on Fri Apr 30 17:46:52 2010, in response to Re: No new cars for Staten Island Railway, posted by MainR3664 on Fri Apr 30 17:41:51 2010. Oh sorry |
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