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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Thu Mar 12 22:08:42 2009, in response to Re: NY Mets decline to buy naming rights to Willets Pt station, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Mar 12 21:37:16 2009. People wouldn't be coming to the station if not for the stadium. However, since they are coming to the station (by the tens of thousands every game day), then the MTA has to alter the station as needed just like any other busy station would be.Plenty of people use that station on non-game days. Remember there's also a big park and ride lot there. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Mar 12 22:11:18 2009, in response to Re: NY Mets decline to buy naming rights to Willets Pt station, posted by metropod on Thu Mar 12 19:38:13 2009. Can't argue that ... as I've been saying, this whole battle just seems silly. But given all the other issues facing the MTA, even sillier. :) |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Mar 12 22:12:02 2009, in response to Re: NY Mets decline to buy naming rights to Willets Pt station, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Thu Mar 12 22:02:48 2009. I am not sure where the "Queens Midtown" officially ends, but I do remember most of the signs west of that point said "East: Queens Midtown Expressway", such as at Grand Ave, etc. They do say "LI Expressway" now, and I think they do at the entrances along Horace Harding too now. But yes, wherever Horace Harding Boulevard used to be, is where I believe the actual expressway is "Horace Harding Expressway", but for all intents and purposes, it is now called LI Expressway like the Nassau and Suffolk parts, although I don't know if that's official or not, but the signs certainly say it. (again, I don't mean the street signs, I mean the signs that say "To Long Island Expressway" at the entrances. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Mar 12 22:13:19 2009, in response to Re: NY Mets decline to buy naming rights to Willets Pt station, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Thu Mar 12 22:08:42 2009. I know. But the VAST majority of it's ridership is from the stadium. |
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Posted by G1Ravage on Fri Mar 13 02:14:20 2009, in response to Re: NY Mets decline to buy naming rights to Willets Pt station, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Mar 12 21:39:37 2009. There will be considerably more people walking around there once the Iron Triangle is redeveloped. You also have a parking lot for commuters outside the station, as well as NYCT employees for Casey Stengel Depot and Corona Yard, and year-round Mets employees. |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Fri Mar 13 10:06:58 2009, in response to NY Mets decline to buy naming rights to Willets Pt station, posted by trainsarefun on Wed Mar 11 22:04:48 2009. "Instead, the station, on the No. 7 line, will be called simply Mets/Willets Point."That's ridiculous. Would that be the first time a station is named after an actual sports team? (Yankee Std doesn't count since it's named after the stadium). I say gyp everyone and call it "National Tennis Cetner" or "Walkway to Flushing Meadows Corona Park" or even "Stop Before Main Street" (Flushing side) and "Stop After Main Street" (Manhattan side). Mwahahaha |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Mar 13 10:24:53 2009, in response to Re: NY Mets decline to buy naming rights to Willets Pt station, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Mar 12 22:12:02 2009. ...wherever Horace Harding Boulevard used to be, is where I believe the actual expressway is "Horace Harding Expressway"That's correct. From the old pictures I've seen, The old Horace Harding Boulevard was what is now approximately the service roads, with a big greenway between. It probably was widened somewhat, however when the center road was added. |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Fri Mar 13 11:32:39 2009, in response to Re: NY Mets decline to buy naming rights to Willets Pt station, posted by New Flyer #857 on Fri Mar 13 10:06:58 2009. Would that be the first time a station is named after an actual sports team? (Yankee Std doesn't count since it's named after the stadium).No; Sox-35th in Chicago immediately comes to mind. |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Fri Mar 13 11:43:44 2009, in response to Re: NY Mets decline to buy naming rights to Willets Pt station, posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Mar 13 10:24:53 2009. It has been widened considerably. That's Horace Harding Boulevard at heading northeast from Queens Boulevard in the photo. |
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Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Fri Mar 13 11:56:43 2009, in response to Re: NY Mets decline to buy naming rights to Willets Pt station, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Mar 12 11:13:12 2009. 161st Street/River Ave seems to work for that other team. Although they have put Yankee Stadium signs back up, even though it's not part of the "official" name. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Mar 13 12:31:32 2009, in response to Re: NY Mets decline to buy naming rights to Willets Pt station, posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Mar 12 19:56:23 2009. That's not what I mean. What I said was that the station improvements (or in the case of the Metro North station, it's construction) are not officially connected to the new ballparks. They are seperate projects funded by the MTA. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Mar 13 12:32:38 2009, in response to Re: NY Mets decline to buy naming rights to Willets Pt station, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Thu Mar 12 22:08:42 2009. Yeah, and it's used extensively only when the LIRR is on strike. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Mar 13 12:34:39 2009, in response to Re: NY Mets decline to buy naming rights to Willets Pt station, posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Mar 12 18:34:54 2009. Then what's the MTA's problem here? If it's willing to have signage pointing to exits near the new ballpark, why will it not put the ballpark's name in the station's name? It's a distinction without a difference. |
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Posted by Mark S. Feinman on Fri Mar 13 14:16:13 2009, in response to Re: NY Mets decline to buy naming rights to Willets Pt station, posted by Brighton Private on Thu Mar 12 16:08:11 2009. LOL, technically correct :)--Mark |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Fri Mar 13 14:17:14 2009, in response to Re: NY Mets decline to buy naming rights to Willets Pt station, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Mar 13 12:32:38 2009. Yeah, and it's used extensively only when the LIRR is on strike.False. I used the station almost daily, and there was always a decent crowd there. |
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Posted by Marc A. Rivlin on Fri Mar 13 17:46:14 2009, in response to Re: NY Mets decline to buy naming rights to Willets Pt station, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Mar 13 12:34:39 2009. If I had to hazard a guess, I'd day that the current regime at the MTA has decided to handle these naming/renamings either a) on a case-by-case basis and decided to hit up the Mets and CitiGroup for cash or b) that the inclusion of CitiGroup's brand in the name was over some line that they've drawn without there being compensation. The reasoning for the latter is that "CitiField" publicizes both the sports venue and the financial institution. If there are going to be signs for the ballpark with the name "CitiField" on them, that's not the same advertising value to CitiGroup as renaming the station itself. They may just as well put signs up saying "Mets ballpark." I think people will find the place regardless.I also think that in the context of the MTA's budget crisis, low public opinion about financial institutions, especially CitiGroup, and a resentment of corporate sponsorships of sports venues, the MTA did not want to just give away to CitiGroup something of value, especially if there was an alternative name for the stations that could satisfactorily inform the public. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Mar 13 18:25:48 2009, in response to Re: NY Mets decline to buy naming rights to Willets Pt station, posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Mar 13 10:24:53 2009. If you look closely when driving on the LIE, you can see that on one side, you have the buildings that face the old street, but they tore down all the buildings on the other side of the street to widen for the expressway. In some sections in the Horace Harding stretch, on one side you see the front of buildings, and on the other side, you see the rear of buildings on the adjoining street. That's because they took the buildings that used to face the street on that side to widen. |
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Posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Fri Mar 13 21:15:30 2009, in response to Re: NY Mets decline to buy naming rights to Willets Pt station, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Mar 12 07:29:32 2009. Genericizing the name of the *Stadium* would be better -- call the station City Field or Willets Point Stadium or Metropolitan Stadium or City of New York Stadium or something. There's something not quite right with a team name appearing on a station sign. |
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It's official (Re: NY Mets decline to buy naming rights to Willets Pt station) |
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Posted by G1Ravage on Fri Mar 13 23:29:23 2009, in response to NY Mets decline to buy naming rights to Willets Pt station, posted by trainsarefun on Wed Mar 11 22:04:48 2009. Word came today. Effective immediately, if not sooner, all Conductors, Train Operators, Tower Operators, Train Dispatchers, Assistant Train Dispatchers, Train Service Supervisors, Station Customer Assistants, cleaners, Arab vendors, and homeless people are to refer to the Willets Point - Shea Stadium station as:Mets - Willets Point |
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Re: It's official (Re: NY Mets decline to buy naming rights to Willets Pt station) |
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Posted by Bill From Maspeth on Sat Mar 14 02:52:17 2009, in response to It's official (Re: NY Mets decline to buy naming rights to Willets Pt station), posted by G1Ravage on Fri Mar 13 23:29:23 2009. Maybe 161st St. should be refered to as "Yankees - 161st. St.? |
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Re: It's official (Re: NY Mets decline to buy naming rights to Willets Pt station) |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Mar 14 07:58:30 2009, in response to Re: It's official (Re: NY Mets decline to buy naming rights to Willets Pt station), posted by Bill From Maspeth on Sat Mar 14 02:52:17 2009. But what if the Yankees BUY the naming rights to their station.It could be called "Stinebrenner Statium.. Home of the New York Yankees and 161st St." ROARING |
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Re: It's official (Re: NY Mets decline to buy naming rights to Willets Pt station) |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Mar 14 09:28:48 2009, in response to It's official (Re: NY Mets decline to buy naming rights to Willets Pt station), posted by G1Ravage on Fri Mar 13 23:29:23 2009. I'll call it TBII until the Mets stop Flushing seasons down the crapper. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Sat Mar 14 11:41:20 2009, in response to Re: NY Mets decline to buy naming rights to Willets Pt station, posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Mar 12 19:56:23 2009. I see no one wants to address this question. Maybe the improvements were separate projects funded by the MTA but I believe what I said was true:You mean the stations would have been improved anyway? The new stadiums didn't in anyway accelerate when the improvements were to be made? |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Sat Mar 14 12:48:11 2009, in response to Re: NY Mets decline to buy naming rights to Willets Pt station, posted by Marc A. Rivlin on Fri Mar 13 17:46:14 2009. I believe you are correct. Years ago I don't think they gave it a second thought. But the attitude changed once, the names of public venues started being changed to the names of huge corporations for hefty fees. The MTA figured they have something valuable here (the names of subway stations) so why give them away for free, why not charge for the privilege? (Even Channel 4 sold its Sports segment to Verizon. Now it's the Verizon Sports Desk, with their logo plastered on screen during the entire broadcast. I sure hope this doesn't start to catch on.)I would not say that attitude is necessarily wrong. It may be smart business practice. But it gets ridiculous when you start asking these corporations to actually pay to run the service to their sites. I previously stated that the MTA has not asked the Mets to pay to operate extra subeay specials because hat would be wrong. But I remember when Ikea was talking about building a new store in Red Hook and people were asking for bus route extensions, the MTA did suggest that they would only extend routes if Ikea chips in to help pay the additional operating costs. I sure hope that is not what eventually happened and the MTA retaliated before extending routes there, because that would have set a very dangerous precedent. |
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Posted by 33rd Street on Sat Mar 14 13:39:54 2009, in response to Re: NY Mets decline to buy naming rights to Willets Pt station, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Thu Mar 12 22:08:42 2009. Are you sure? I recall sometime last year, I visited that station on a Saturday evening. The one thing worth noting is how deserted that area can be. Mind you, this was when there wasn't a Mets game going on. |
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Posted by mr_brian on Sat Mar 14 14:01:31 2009, in response to Re: NY Mets decline to buy naming rights to Willets Pt station, posted by 33rd Street on Sat Mar 14 13:39:54 2009. If there are events taking place in the park (various cultural festivals), the station gets heavy usage. |
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Posted by Bill From Maspeth on Sat Mar 14 14:16:52 2009, in response to It's official (Re: NY Mets decline to buy naming rights to Willets Pt station), posted by G1Ravage on Fri Mar 13 23:29:23 2009. Exactly what I said in the very first response to this thread! |
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Posted by mr_brian on Sat Mar 14 14:21:30 2009, in response to Re: It's official (Re: NY Mets decline to buy naming rights to Willets Pt station), posted by Bill From Maspeth on Sat Mar 14 02:52:17 2009. Posted by Bill From Maspeth:Maybe 161st St. should be refered to as "Yankees - 161st. St.? Good grief...   |
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Posted by mr_brian on Sat Mar 14 14:22:16 2009, in response to It's official (Re: NY Mets decline to buy naming rights to Willets Pt station), posted by G1Ravage on Fri Mar 13 23:29:23 2009. Emdash, forwardslash or hyphen?/semantics |
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Posted by fytton on Sat Mar 14 14:24:43 2009, in response to Re: NY Mets decline to buy naming rights to Willets Pt station, posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Fri Mar 13 21:15:30 2009. 'There's something not quite right with a team name appearing on a station sign.'How about Arsenal (Piccadilly Line, London) then?! |
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Posted by TheGreatOne2k9 on Sat Mar 14 14:28:59 2009, in response to It's official (Re: NY Mets decline to buy naming rights to Willets Pt station), posted by G1Ravage on Fri Mar 13 23:29:23 2009. It should be Mets - Willets Point Boulevard, suggest this to the MTA |
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Posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Sat Mar 14 18:31:14 2009, in response to Re: NY Mets decline to buy naming rights to Willets Pt station, posted by fytton on Sat Mar 14 14:24:43 2009. 'There's something not quite right with a team name appearing on a station sign.'How about Arsenal (Piccadilly Line, London) then?! It was always a travesty of geography and should really be changed back to Gillespie Road now they don't even play at Highbury any more. ;-) But generally, stadium names and station names refer to geographic entities, whilst team names don't. It would really really jar to have the Tyne & Wear Metro going to Newcastle United. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Sat Mar 14 18:49:47 2009, in response to Re: NY Mets decline to buy naming rights to Willets Pt station, posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Sat Mar 14 18:31:14 2009. How about changing the name of the stadium and the station to Corona Yards? |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sat Mar 14 21:46:10 2009, in response to It's official (Re: NY Mets decline to buy naming rights to Willets Pt station), posted by G1Ravage on Fri Mar 13 23:29:23 2009. They waste no time. Yesterday I saw a single card schedule for March 29th only, LIRR service to the Mets-Willets Point station for some college game of something... |
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Posted by Grand Concourse on Sat Mar 14 22:19:13 2009, in response to Re: NY Mets decline to buy naming rights to Willets Pt station, posted by Marc A. Rivlin on Thu Mar 12 13:14:59 2009. Ah, thanks. |
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Posted by Grand Concourse on Sat Mar 14 22:22:09 2009, in response to Re: NY Mets decline to buy naming rights to Willets Pt station, posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Mar 12 19:54:47 2009. hem, technically through taxpayer bailouts to Citigroup [even though Citi says they paid up before the bailout was needed], belongs to the entire country :) |
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Posted by Grand Concourse on Sat Mar 14 22:23:21 2009, in response to Re: NY Mets decline to buy naming rights to Willets Pt station, posted by MATHA531 on Thu Mar 12 00:38:51 2009. There's also Colombia University and Hunter College. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Mar 14 22:26:06 2009, in response to Re: NY Mets decline to buy naming rights to Willets Pt station, posted by Marc A. Rivlin on Thu Mar 12 13:14:59 2009. Wow ... what *balls*. :( |
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