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Posted by Deaks on Fri Aug 8 10:32:59 2008, in response to Re: R179 Specs, posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Thu Aug 7 18:41:37 2008. I know nothing about Budd cars, but maybe someone else can help you on that. I don't pay too much attention to multiple units but Pacer/Sprinter DMU types in Britain have hydraulic transmissions, which are very smooth but the change is perceptible by the dropping revs. Apart from that (an electric transmissions) the only other type I've ridden are the old 1960s DMUs, which were semi-automatic and relied on the driver shifting gears himself. Again this was smooth, as long as done properly. |
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Posted by Wado MP73 on Fri Aug 8 14:13:18 2008, in response to Re: Flexliner (was:Re: R179 Specs), posted by Hank Eisenstein on Thu Aug 7 15:44:38 2008. Huh? |
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Fri Aug 8 14:23:09 2008, in response to Re: Flexliner (was:Re: R179 Specs), posted by Wado MP73 on Fri Aug 8 14:13:18 2008. I swear, when I backed up to look at those photos before I made that post yesterday, that was NOT the picture I saw. |
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Fri Aug 8 14:24:27 2008, in response to Re: Flexliner (was:Re: R179 Specs), posted by Hank Eisenstein on Fri Aug 8 14:23:09 2008. Aha, I was looking at this post, not the one you linked. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Aug 8 14:34:11 2008, in response to Re: R179 Specs, posted by Mitch45 on Wed Aug 6 11:09:47 2008. So there will be the same number of doors on a 600 foot train as they have with 4 per car on 60 foot cars. Makes perfect sense. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Aug 8 15:24:14 2008, in response to Re: R179 Specs, posted by Ken S. on Thu Aug 7 21:29:00 2008. Don't insult Homer Simpson, the poor guy suffers from both the Simpson gene and a crayon in his brain. |
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Posted by WillD on Fri Aug 8 17:04:33 2008, in response to Re: Flexliner (was:Re: R179 Specs), posted by Hank Eisenstein on Fri Aug 8 14:24:27 2008. Ah, sorry for not linking to the photo in that post. I at least should have provided a text link back to the photo I was refering to. |
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Posted by JohnL on Fri Aug 8 20:22:30 2008, in response to Re: R179 Specs, posted by Deaks on Fri Aug 8 10:32:59 2008. …are the old 1960s DMUs, which were semi-automatic and relied on the driver shifting gears himself. Again this was smooth, as long as done properly.They were so heavy that the worst that the driver could do was a small jerk. At least the ones I rode to school Saltburn to Redcar each day. |
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Posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Fri Aug 8 20:26:24 2008, in response to Re: R179 Specs, posted by mr_brian on Wed Aug 6 11:13:58 2008. Pretty much so. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Fri Aug 8 20:28:39 2008, in response to Re: R179 Specs, posted by Hank Eisenstein on Wed Aug 6 23:27:55 2008. Don't be an idiot. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Fri Aug 8 20:32:05 2008, in response to Re: R179 Specs, posted by JohnL on Fri Aug 8 20:22:30 2008. 8-)I hope you realize that you really don't know how to shift gears unless you've done both of the following: 1) Drive an 18-wheeler with manual transmission (yes there are tractor-trailers with auto) 2) Drive a "Super Sherman" tank, or a Centurion tank and successfully get it up the gears. |
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Fri Aug 8 21:58:53 2008, in response to Re: R179 Specs, posted by RonInBayside on Fri Aug 8 20:28:39 2008. See, someone asked about a killfile, and and I said there were a number of people ahead of that person. Be honored. |
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Posted by JohnL on Fri Aug 8 22:44:29 2008, in response to Re: R179 Specs, posted by RonInBayside on Fri Aug 8 20:32:05 2008. No thanks. My last name isn’t Dukakis! |
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Posted by SUBWAYMAN on Fri Aug 8 23:25:59 2008, in response to Re: R179 Specs, posted by mr_brian on Wed Aug 6 11:13:58 2008. If it keeps the foam down. :) |
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Posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Fri Aug 8 23:28:16 2008, in response to R179 Specs, posted by North-Easten T/O on Wed Aug 6 08:29:45 2008. If the trains needs a brake handle to operate, does that mean it would have a similar S.M.E.E. like brake system? |
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Posted by Easy on Fri Aug 8 23:30:24 2008, in response to Re: R179 Specs, posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Fri Aug 8 23:28:16 2008. http://www.subchat.com/read.asp?Id=662111 |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sat Aug 9 01:17:20 2008, in response to Re: R179 Specs, posted by Hank Eisenstein on Fri Aug 8 21:58:53 2008. Avoid posting stupidly, and grow a bit thicker skin, and you won't need a killfile. |
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Posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Sat Aug 9 01:59:47 2008, in response to Re: R179 Specs, posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Wed Aug 6 21:33:05 2008. Will you shut up about Israel already? Seriously, stop hijacking threads with your ignorance. I want to find out about the R179 when I look at this thread. I don't want to see you ranting about Israel. Obviously, you've never been there, so you don't know what it's like there. Just shut up and go away already. |
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Posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Sat Aug 9 02:02:32 2008, in response to Re: R179 Specs, posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Wed Aug 6 21:44:53 2008. Your post is the one with the personal attacks. And it has NO place on this message board. I know EXACTLY what you're saying. But I don't think you know what you're saying. |
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Posted by Deaks on Sat Aug 9 05:29:39 2008, in response to Re: R179 Specs, posted by RonInBayside on Fri Aug 8 20:32:05 2008. 1) Drive an 18-wheeler with manual transmission (yes there are tractor-trailers with auto)Yes I have done that, albeit with the benefit of synchromesh. |
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Posted by Deaks on Sat Aug 9 05:32:27 2008, in response to Re: R179 Specs, posted by JohnL on Fri Aug 8 20:22:30 2008. Before the last of the class 101s were removed from service I used to generally get the 20.xx train back from Chester to Crewe as this used to turn one up regularly when I worked in Chester. As you no doubt know, you could sit behind the driver's compartment and watch him do his thing. Some would change gear properly and smoothly but the odd one would leave the throttle open and slam it straight from one gear to the next. That was what caused the jerk! |
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Posted by Ken S. on Sat Aug 9 08:38:26 2008, in response to Re: R179 Specs, posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Sat Aug 9 01:59:47 2008. Like I said, he needs to be committed to Creedmoor or Attica. |
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Posted by Eric B on Sat Aug 9 12:46:52 2008, in response to Re: R179 Specs, posted by North-Easten T/O on Wed Aug 6 09:11:57 2008. Don't know why they would ever go backward like thagt. They only reason they went back with the last generatioon of cars s because of the failure of P-Wire. It's not like the current propulsion system failed.The vac train also has both a slide controller with a brake handle. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sat Aug 9 12:47:37 2008, in response to Re: R179 Specs, posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Sat Aug 9 01:59:47 2008. It's not your business to tell anyone not to rant about anything they want. Yes, his rant about Israel was dumb (but not 100% wrong).I am a sabra and my father fought to establish the state of Israel, and there are plenty of things royally screwed up over there, including some as[pects of how Arabs and Palestinians were dealt with since the late 1940s. There are also a lot of things they do right. Just because somebody has "been there" doesn't mean squat, necessarily. You can even live in a place for years and have your head in the sand, or up your ass, or wherever, and nor know squat about where you live. That's as true of Israel as it is anywhere else. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Sat Aug 9 13:21:27 2008, in response to Re: R179 Specs, posted by RonInBayside on Sat Aug 9 12:47:37 2008. You are a "curved Longsword"? |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sat Aug 9 13:40:30 2008, in response to Re: R179 Specs, posted by Edwards! on Sat Aug 9 13:21:27 2008. 8-) |
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Posted by Edwards! on Sat Aug 9 13:55:53 2008, in response to Re: R179 Specs, posted by R42 4787 on Wed Aug 6 21:31:53 2008. We already have a "modern 2010 rework of the R36"...Its called the R142. |
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Posted by R33/R36 mainline on Sat Aug 9 13:57:47 2008, in response to Re: R179 Specs, posted by Edwards! on Sat Aug 9 13:55:53 2008. No, the R142 doesn't have a brake handle like the R36, it has that T conroller. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Sat Aug 9 14:06:04 2008, in response to Re: R179 Specs, posted by R33/R36 mainline on Sat Aug 9 13:57:47 2008. So..?It still Looks like an R36..updated. |
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Posted by R33/R36 mainline on Sat Aug 9 14:20:37 2008, in response to Re: R179 Specs, posted by Edwards! on Sat Aug 9 14:06:04 2008. huh??? 142's look nothing like an R36.....How does this.....  Look anything like this?  Yes i know its not an R36 but all redbirds looked the same on the outside. |
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Posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Sat Aug 9 14:24:30 2008, in response to Re: R179 Specs, posted by R33/R36 mainline on Sat Aug 9 14:20:37 2008. The placement of the head lights.The placement of the route sign. The red paint scheme. The anti-climber. Ugh, I don't know. |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Sat Aug 9 14:30:28 2008, in response to Re: R179 Specs, posted by R33/R36 mainline on Sat Aug 9 14:20:37 2008. Obviously your statement is a bit of hyperbole, but the two models aren't completely dissimilar in terms of appearance. |
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Posted by WillD on Sat Aug 9 15:00:40 2008, in response to Re: R179 Specs, posted by R33/R36 mainline on Sat Aug 9 14:20:37 2008. They look quite similar to me. They're far closer in design than other 3rd or 4th generation subway cars have been on other systems. Stockholm's very modern metro cars have already been mentioned, as have Berlin's slightly more conservative cars, but Munich's new cars are every bit the departure the Swedish cars are. By comparison with these designs the NYC cars are virtually identical once you get beyond superficial details like color and headlight placement. Original late 60s, early 70s A stock on the left, 1980s B stock on the right.  New C stock train. |
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Posted by R33/R36 mainline on Sat Aug 9 15:07:54 2008, in response to Re: R179 Specs, posted by WillD on Sat Aug 9 15:00:40 2008. The 142's and 36's look nothing alike to me. 142's have that slanted headlight thing on them wheres the 36's don't have that.Not to mention 36's have rollsigns and the last stop on the front. Wheres an 142 have LCD sign and it doesn't show the last stop. Their trucks look diffent also. |
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Posted by WillD on Sat Aug 9 15:27:56 2008, in response to Re: R179 Specs, posted by R33/R36 mainline on Sat Aug 9 15:07:54 2008. As I said, those are superficial details. If we accept the principle that the R62 was just a modification on the R36 design as Mr Wong posits, then the ease with which they modified the R62 into an R142 stand-in for the Taking of Pelham 123 by changing those superficial details must mean the R142 itself is similar to the R36.
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sat Aug 9 17:32:40 2008, in response to Re: R179 Specs, posted by WillD on Sat Aug 9 15:00:40 2008. There is merit in your post. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Sat Aug 9 19:05:44 2008, in response to Re: R179 Specs, posted by R33/R36 mainline on Sat Aug 9 15:07:54 2008. TO YOU...they look nothing alike...But to others,they are. They are a "tribute" to the REDBIRD CLASS... |
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