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Re: ''Just only'' $1.4 Billion to build Staten Island North Shore & West Shore Lines? |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Mon Jul 14 00:11:30 2008, in response to Re: ''Just only'' $1.4 Billion to build Staten Island North Shore & West Shore Lines?, posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Sun Jul 13 12:24:11 2008. Exactly what I'm thinking for West Shore! |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Mon Jul 14 00:22:48 2008, in response to Re: ''Just only'' $1.4 Billion to build Staten Island North Shore & West Shore Lines?, posted by ntrainride on Sun Jul 13 22:32:55 2008. You'd have to find a way to connect it with the NEC, b/c right now there's really no useful place to run the trains once they get to NJ. |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Mon Jul 14 00:26:49 2008, in response to Re: Just only $1.4 Billion to build Staten Island North Shore & West Shore Lines, posted by newlots#2 on Sun Jul 13 11:04:15 2008. Where are Bushwick LRTs gonna go? Where are Lower Montauk LRTs gonna go? Even if they ran over the Willy B, there's no place for them to go after that. I think you'd be more likely to see LIRR return service to Bushwick before you see any other options come in to play |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Mon Jul 14 00:27:16 2008, in response to Re: Just only $1.4 Billion to build Staten Island North Shore & West Shore Lines, posted by newlots#2 on Sun Jul 13 11:04:15 2008. Where are Bushwick LRTs gonna go? Where are Lower Montauk LRTs gonna go? Even if they ran over the Willy B, there's no place for them to go after that. I think you'd be more likely to see LIRR return service to Bushwick before you see any other options come in to playAt least the Bay Ridge is being considered as part of a railroad "beltway"(well, half beltway) |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Mon Jul 14 00:36:41 2008, in response to Re: Just only $1.4 Billion to build Staten Island North Shore & West Shore Lines, posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Jul 13 23:22:23 2008. Just b/c you hate buses doesn't mean their modern. I'd much rather rail transportation over buses, but it doesn't put me into a state of ignorance and denial |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Mon Jul 14 00:38:02 2008, in response to Re: Just only $1.4 Billion to build Staten Island North Shore & West Shore Lines, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Jul 13 23:34:08 2008. Light rail is fine for certain applications anywhere, including New York. West shore line would be perfect for it if it could be tied in with HBLR |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Mon Jul 14 00:41:18 2008, in response to Just only $1.4 Billion to build Staten Island North Shore & West Shore Lines, posted by GOLD_12th on Sun Jul 13 02:14:08 2008. I'm saying North Shore line commuter rail to NJ and have it run onto the NEC somehow(new track connection) to the employment districts. West Shore should be LRT, an extension of HBLR over the Bayonne down Willowbrook to SI College, then down Richmond Av to the SI Mall, then down the parkway to at least Huguenot station, but preferably all the way to Point Pleasant Park and Ride. |
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Posted by North-Easten T/O on Mon Jul 14 00:43:18 2008, in response to Re: Just only $1.4 Billion to build Staten Island North Shore & West Shore Lines, posted by Railman718 on Sun Jul 13 09:02:07 2008. I can give about $550,000,000.00 right now, I just have to sell a few of my oil stocks. |
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Posted by Broadway Buffer on Mon Jul 14 00:57:07 2008, in response to Re: Just only $1.4 Billion to build Staten Island North Shore & West Shore Lines, posted by 156n3rd on Sun Jul 13 18:13:50 2008. Weren't most of the SIRT stations already renovated in the early 90s? They're not exactly luxurious, but why should they be? For a relatively free system, decent platforms with canopies should suffice. As for the trains, as others have said this may be due to the fact that it's mainly free and also that many kids ride it and have no respect for the system so they scratch up the seats etc. Even when they eventually get NTTs or M7s, 8s, 9s or whatever, they're going to end up in the same shape. They're still nothing compared to NYCT during it's dark era. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Jul 14 09:49:18 2008, in response to Re: Just only $1.4 Billion to build Staten Island North Shore & West Shore Lines, posted by NIMBYkiller on Mon Jul 14 00:36:41 2008. No, SI has a modern transportation system, and it's called SIR. It has nothing to do with buses. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Jul 14 09:50:27 2008, in response to Re: Just only $1.4 Billion to build Staten Island North Shore & West Shore Lines, posted by Edwards! on Mon Jul 14 00:07:29 2008. Incorrect. A lot more people here agree with me than with you. And the ones agreeing with me are the non-trolls. Your side includes the trolls and the know-nothings. |
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Posted by Railman718 on Mon Jul 14 09:59:47 2008, in response to Re: Just only $1.4 Billion to build Staten Island North Shore & West Shore Lines, posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Jul 14 09:50:27 2008. And the ones agreeing with me are the non-trolls. Your side includes the trolls and the know-nothings.So you are saying with this partictular Subject the ones who agree with him are trolls right?? I have agreed with him on things before just like with you and i dont consider myself a.. A Troll Or A .. B. Know-nothing.. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Jul 14 10:19:52 2008, in response to Re: Just only $1.4 Billion to build Staten Island North Shore & West Shore Lines, posted by Railman718 on Mon Jul 14 09:59:47 2008. That's just the way it is. Sorry :( |
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Posted by Railman718 on Mon Jul 14 10:36:22 2008, in response to Re: Just only $1.4 Billion to build Staten Island North Shore & West Shore Lines, posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Jul 14 10:19:52 2008. Ah so in your opinion im a "Know-Nothing" and a Troll huh?I cant help it if you get into your little verbal spats here and then you lump others into the same boat with said person? Because i may agree with the man on somethings from time to time? Thats not very civil really and a very generalized statement,which mature individuals dont make or rarely make. I dont agree with some things posters say and sometimes i do get into a war of words with those posters, still i respect thier opinions. I know this, its just a message board not real life i take it day by day, perhaps you should follow that advice really. Dont get me wrong im not brow-beating or berating you you are who you are im just giving you a bit of advice, trying to pull your coat thats all. I really thought you was a bit more mature than that i guess i was wrong.. Im sorry too. |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Mon Jul 14 11:40:51 2008, in response to Re: Just only $1.4 Billion to build Staten Island North Shore & West Shore Lines, posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Jul 14 09:49:18 2008. Rail transportation is actually one of the oldest forms of public transportation, so maybe what SI needs is more of an ancient transportation system. Seriously though, buses are transportation. Therefore they play a part of the transportation system. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Mon Jul 14 11:57:35 2008, in response to Re: Just only $1.4 Billion to build Staten Island North Shore & West Shore Lines, posted by Railman718 on Mon Jul 14 09:59:47 2008. See...Thats the WHOLE POINT.. He said it himself...People that AGREE WITH HIM..are NON-TROLLS. People that DON'T,are TROLLS and KNOW NOTHINGS. Meanwhile..I AM a Professional...in EVERY aspect of MY life,whether it was driving a coach..writing books..doing story boards..."creating" PERIOD. His "problem" Here is that often he is abrasive to others...cannot play well in the sand box...has to "have his way" like some child throwing a tantrum..and ABOVE all else..HAS to be right..even when he is DEAD WRONG. I care very little for "blowhards"..and He IS a classic example of how NOT to be one. My directive for Him is a simple one. Since he ACTS like an IDIOT..I treat him Like One...And since he takes great delight in the attention he gets...the Problems he causes..I therefor remove his "drug"... If others see through his ruse...and leave him be...this board would be "healthier". Remember..NON PERSONA GRATA...He doesn't Exist. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Mon Jul 14 11:59:46 2008, in response to Re: Just only $1.4 Billion to build Staten Island North Shore & West Shore Lines, posted by Railman718 on Mon Jul 14 10:36:22 2008. NOW You KNOW better.Stop talking to him. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Jul 14 12:25:13 2008, in response to Re: Just only $1.4 Billion to build Staten Island North Shore & West Shore Lines, posted by Railman718 on Mon Jul 14 10:36:22 2008. no, you're not |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Jul 14 12:46:21 2008, in response to Re: Just only $1.4 Billion to build Staten Island North Shore & West Shore Lines, posted by NIMBYkiller on Mon Jul 14 11:40:51 2008. But they have a modern form of it - an electric high-speed commuter railway. |
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Posted by 156n3rd on Mon Jul 14 14:26:36 2008, in response to Re: Just only $1.4 Billion to build Staten Island North Shore & West Shore Lines, posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Jul 14 12:46:21 2008. If any rolling stock needs to be dumped into the ocean, SIR has it. |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Mon Jul 14 14:47:17 2008, in response to Re: Just only $1.4 Billion to build Staten Island North Shore & West Shore Lines, posted by 156n3rd on Mon Jul 14 14:26:36 2008. It's fun to dump things into the ocean, but if you don't have the money to replace it, you're going to have a lot of angry SIers to deal with.If the present machinery hasn't reached the end of its useful life, why replace it? With the fiscal situation as it is, do you think that we can afford the luxury of junking cars before their time has arrived? |
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Posted by (SIR) North Shore Line on Mon Jul 14 15:02:30 2008, in response to Re: ''Just only'' $1.4 Billion to build Staten Island North Shore & West Shore Lines?, posted by Dan on Sun Jul 13 09:31:05 2008. History on Staten Island has shown that if you built it in a desolate area, give it a few years and it won't be desolate anymore. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Jul 14 15:02:51 2008, in response to Re: Just only $1.4 Billion to build Staten Island North Shore & West Shore Lines, posted by 156n3rd on Mon Jul 14 14:26:36 2008. Not at all. They could use some sprucing up (I recall the seats are very scratched), but certainly they don't need to be dumped. They operate just swell at 60 MPH on the expresses. |
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Posted by 156n3rd on Mon Jul 14 15:05:49 2008, in response to Re: Just only $1.4 Billion to build Staten Island North Shore & West Shore Lines, posted by trainsarefun on Mon Jul 14 14:47:17 2008. You are being too, too serious here. I am light heartedly suggestion that the cars in their current state are beaten down. Our government refuses to assist any state with transit because they are still at war in Iraq. Where else is all the money being used? It certainly ins't going on any interior improvements here. Oh, wait, it's that new embassy. Yeah, that's it. The new U.S. Embassy in Iraq. We really need that! |
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Posted by 156n3rd on Mon Jul 14 15:06:35 2008, in response to Re: Just only $1.4 Billion to build Staten Island North Shore & West Shore Lines, posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Jul 14 15:02:51 2008. I rode the line on July 3rd and sorry to say, I wasn't impressed. |
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Posted by 156n3rd on Mon Jul 14 15:08:01 2008, in response to Re: ''Just only'' $1.4 Billion to build Staten Island North Shore & West Shore Lines?, posted by (SIR) North Shore Line on Mon Jul 14 15:02:30 2008. Most of the original NY system (the original els) were built into no man's land, then they were developed later. If there is a real need, it's a no brainer. |
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Posted by 156n3rd on Mon Jul 14 15:11:34 2008, in response to Re: Just only $1.4 Billion to build Staten Island North Shore & West Shore Lines, posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Jul 14 15:02:51 2008. Another thing, why couldn't some of the newer "old stock" from the mainland be transferred to the SIR and more new units be budgeted in? Now before you pounce on me, I am just asking a question. They spent wads of money for the 160's, couoldn't they justify buying a few more and increase the order? Maybe they could've gotten a discount. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Jul 14 15:19:00 2008, in response to Re: Just only $1.4 Billion to build Staten Island North Shore & West Shore Lines, posted by 156n3rd on Mon Jul 14 15:06:35 2008. Why weren't you impressed? And why does that mean they should be dumped? You do know that there's a limited amount of money going around right now, right? |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Jul 14 15:22:48 2008, in response to Re: Just only $1.4 Billion to build Staten Island North Shore & West Shore Lines, posted by 156n3rd on Mon Jul 14 15:11:34 2008. They spent wads of money for the 160's, couoldn't they justify buying a few more and increase the order? Maybe they could've gotten a discount.Because the plan was to deliver new SIR cars in 2012, presumably as either an option order to the R-160 cars or maybe as part of the R-179 order. See, they are one step ahead of you. Except that now that money is tight, it was just posted that the current plan is to rehab the R-44SI cars and purchase new cars in 2015. I imagine that in 2015, they will still be related to some previous or existing subway car order. Another thing, why couldn't some of the newer "old stock" from the mainland be transferred to the SIR and more new units be budgeted in? Because there's nothing newer than R-44's available on the mainland! Instead, it seems they have decided to rehab the R-44SI cars for the time being. |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Mon Jul 14 15:32:35 2008, in response to Re: Just only $1.4 Billion to build Staten Island North Shore & West Shore Lines, posted by 156n3rd on Mon Jul 14 15:11:34 2008. Another thing, why couldn't some of the newer "old stock" from the mainland be transferred to the SIR and more new units be budgeted in?You want to take away R44s - some of the most comfortable cars in the fleet - and substitute them with what: R32/38/40/42s ???? Also SIR is technically under a different regulatory regime - they answer to FRA, if I'm not mistaken. Clearly, they don't have to meet all FRA standards, but I don't know the details, and there might be complication with trying to grandfather in new infusion of older, definitely not at all FRA-compliant equipment. |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Mon Jul 14 15:48:31 2008, in response to Re: Just only $1.4 Billion to build Staten Island North Shore & West Shore Lines, posted by 156n3rd on Mon Jul 14 15:05:49 2008. There is actually - much to my surprise, honestly - quite a bit of funding of capital projects. It's really the operating side that is not seeing increases. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Jul 14 15:52:11 2008, in response to Re: Just only $1.4 Billion to build Staten Island North Shore & West Shore Lines, posted by 156n3rd on Mon Jul 14 15:05:49 2008. Our government refuses to assist any state with transit because they are still at war in Iraq.That's not true. I am light heartedly suggestion that the cars in their current state are beaten down. Huh? Either you think they are or you think they aren't. Which one is it? |
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Posted by 156n3rd on Mon Jul 14 15:56:26 2008, in response to Re: Just only $1.4 Billion to build Staten Island North Shore & West Shore Lines, posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Jul 14 15:19:00 2008. I wasn't impressed because the cars represent the line. The cars look awful, usedm abused and run down. I mean, the front car had a board over the window in the door and it was all scratched beyond being able to see anything. The cars just look, and ride like they have seen much better days. The scenery in really beautiful, especially at either end of the line. As for money. Everyone knows money is tight. Why does it have to continue to be an issue? When are things going to improve? |
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Posted by 156n3rd on Mon Jul 14 15:59:10 2008, in response to Re: Just only $1.4 Billion to build Staten Island North Shore & West Shore Lines, posted by trainsarefun on Mon Jul 14 15:48:31 2008. Let's see. SIR has what, 36 cars? Something like 9 4-car units. How much of that could have been allocated from the original huge order of those 160's? I mean, new equipment along with additional ridership will only bring more riders. Then you could actually make some money from the system. Still, there must be 36 cars somewhere in the vast MTA system that could be used on SIR. No? |
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Posted by 156n3rd on Mon Jul 14 16:01:35 2008, in response to Re: Just only $1.4 Billion to build Staten Island North Shore & West Shore Lines, posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Jul 14 15:52:11 2008. I think they are. Are you taking it personally? You don't own them, do you? Are they your responsibilty? Why don't you see the aged, rotting rolling stock as it is? But, you are not going to make me a part of an argument that has no basis. The equipment is old, period. I am being light hearted because I'm merely observing, not taking ownership of the line. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Jul 14 16:12:01 2008, in response to Re: Just only $1.4 Billion to build Staten Island North Shore & West Shore Lines, posted by 156n3rd on Mon Jul 14 16:01:35 2008. Ok, so you think they are beat down, but only lightheartedly so. So that means that we should ignore your suggestions about solving this "problem" because they are only lighthearted? If they are only lighthearted, then:1. why are you making them?, and 2. why are you getting upset with people who are disagreeing with you? |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Mon Jul 14 16:30:47 2008, in response to Re: Just only $1.4 Billion to build Staten Island North Shore & West Shore Lines, posted by 156n3rd on Mon Jul 14 15:59:10 2008. Let's see. SIR has what, 36 cars?I recall 64 or 66 cars. How much of that could have been allocated from the original huge order of those 160's? Remember that R44s are the longest cars used on NYCT: 75'. So it's not a matter of 1:1 replacement, first off. Secondly, NYCT isn't yet replacing the R44s, so it's not exactly clear why SIR's R44s should be replaced ahead of their NYCT brethren. Still, there must be 36 cars somewhere in the vast MTA system that could be used on SIR. No? Needs to be something EMU, so that rules out quite a lot. As I said before, all of the available units from NYCT that would be reefed aren't suitable replacements for R44s. MNR has about 40 M1As, but they still put those to occasional use, and the third rail on MNR is of a different type, and they're designed to use higher voltage, and they require greater clearances, being 85' long, and rather taller than subway equipment. It's not at all clear to me that SIR is up to maintaining those cars, either, or that those cars would even fit most NYCT shops. SIR's best hope for new rolling stock will be, I think, either as part of the order that replaces the R44s, or perhaps - assuming that SIR can handle commuter rail stock - maybe LIRR's future M9 order. |
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Posted by 156n3rd on Mon Jul 14 16:43:32 2008, in response to Re: Just only $1.4 Billion to build Staten Island North Shore & West Shore Lines, posted by trainsarefun on Mon Jul 14 16:30:47 2008. If you go to the SIR section of this site and check out the pictures there, you'll see old LIRR stock being used. they used 2 at a time. I understand what your saying and I'm just asking because I'm not aware of all the facts. I wonder why they didn't just continue to use rolling stock like that of the LIRR? |
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Posted by 156n3rd on Mon Jul 14 16:45:47 2008, in response to Re: Just only $1.4 Billion to build Staten Island North Shore & West Shore Lines, posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Jul 14 16:12:01 2008. You are digging way to deep into what I'm saying. Obviously, you are just like someone else who posts here who has a favorite line and refuses to see the truth. Fine. OBTW, I'm sure you don't like to be disagreed with, you just proved it with your SIR prejudice. And, I also said some good things about the SIR which you neglected to mention. Don't be thick. |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Mon Jul 14 16:58:18 2008, in response to Re: Just only $1.4 Billion to build Staten Island North Shore & West Shore Lines, posted by 156n3rd on Mon Jul 14 16:43:32 2008. LIRR used to have lower voltage DC on the third rail, so that was possible. Not sure that the current LIRR/MNR EMUs would be able to perform well off the SIR third rail. |
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Posted by 156n3rd on Mon Jul 14 17:07:08 2008, in response to Re: Just only $1.4 Billion to build Staten Island North Shore & West Shore Lines, posted by trainsarefun on Mon Jul 14 16:58:18 2008. Oh well, just have to wait for the money train to drop some off! |
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Posted by 156n3rd on Mon Jul 14 17:08:36 2008, in response to Re: Just only $1.4 Billion to build Staten Island North Shore & West Shore Lines, posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Jul 14 15:22:48 2008. Time to hijack a money train. :) |
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Posted by R33/R36 mainline on Mon Jul 14 17:18:39 2008, in response to Re: Just only $1.4 Billion to build Staten Island North Shore & West Shore Lines, posted by trainsarefun on Mon Jul 14 15:32:35 2008. The SIR R44's don't ride as smooth as the NYCT R44's. The SIR 44's are still good cars though. They don't even sound like the NYCT R44's. But the SIR 44's go much faster. The SIR 44's ride kinda like the slants. |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Mon Jul 14 17:22:10 2008, in response to Re: Just only $1.4 Billion to build Staten Island North Shore & West Shore Lines, posted by R33/R36 mainline on Mon Jul 14 17:18:39 2008. I'll have to pay closer attention next time I ride on SIR! Never tried an express, so that's definitely on the to-do list. |
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Posted by 156n3rd on Mon Jul 14 17:38:57 2008, in response to Re: Just only $1.4 Billion to build Staten Island North Shore & West Shore Lines, posted by R33/R36 mainline on Mon Jul 14 17:18:39 2008. They are definitely quick, but they tend to bob and wobble. |
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Posted by Aq Arcticson on Mon Jul 14 17:46:00 2008, in response to Re: ''Just only'' $1.4 Billion to build Staten Island North Shore & West Shore Lines?, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Jul 13 17:03:54 2008. I understand, but I'm asking in general, is the conversion simple to do or complicated. |
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Posted by ntrainride on Mon Jul 14 18:01:32 2008, in response to Re: ''Just only'' $1.4 Billion to build Staten Island North Shore & West Shore Lines?, posted by NIMBYkiller on Mon Jul 14 00:22:48 2008. Thanks for that. I was wondering if there was an existing NEC link. I know (at least, FWIKAI) there is a connection to the "Chemical Coast" line. |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Mon Jul 14 18:05:49 2008, in response to Re: ''Just only'' $1.4 Billion to build Staten Island North Shore & West Shore Lines?, posted by ntrainride on Mon Jul 14 18:01:32 2008. From what I can see, connecting to the chemical coast line requires a reverse move(the tracks connect from the west), or you could go a very roundabout way. |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Mon Jul 14 18:13:08 2008, in response to Re: ''Just only'' $1.4 Billion to build Staten Island North Shore & West Shore Lines?, posted by NIMBYkiller on Mon Jul 14 18:05:49 2008. From what I can see, connecting to the chemical coast line requires a reverse move(the tracks connect from the west), or you could go a very roundabout way.I'll have to check the map later, but I don't think that's right. |
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Posted by ntrainride on Mon Jul 14 18:20:29 2008, in response to Re: Just only $1.4 Billion to build Staten Island North Shore & West Shore Lines, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Jul 13 23:08:29 2008. Heh. Naw, I meant, great overall description regarding the import situation. It is mighty unfortunate that U.S.A. has gone that way. We have taken the easy route to "cheaper" prices. When truth is, in the long term it's going to be mighty mighty expensive.Pisses me off, why the f*ck AREN'T our corporations using their collective heads more? How the hell could it be cheaper to make a can opener in China or Vietnam than it would be to make that can opener in Newark or Detroit or Oakland? What, f*ckin' transportation costs are THAT large a percentage of total product costs?? The labor costs are THAT much cheaper than what our own labor force costs are?? I don't believe it. It's simply...a greedy sniveling "accountant types" mentality. Basically, it's the owners and the corporations proclaiming "I'm gonna still have my monies...the employees will just have to "accept" this "new" "reality" of modern manufacturing" as we "outsource" our production and leave the "thinking" work home, doing so in order to remain "competitive" with the world." This is a receipe for national economic and social collapse. Most of "The fat cats" really don't give a shit. |
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