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Re: Just only $1.4 Billion to build Staten Island North Shore & West Shore Lines

Posted by trainsarefun on Mon Jul 14 16:30:47 2008, in response to Re: Just only $1.4 Billion to build Staten Island North Shore & West Shore Lines, posted by 156n3rd on Mon Jul 14 15:59:10 2008.

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Let's see. SIR has what, 36 cars?

I recall 64 or 66 cars.

How much of that could have been allocated from the original huge order of those 160's?

Remember that R44s are the longest cars used on NYCT: 75'. So it's not a matter of 1:1 replacement, first off. Secondly, NYCT isn't yet replacing the R44s, so it's not exactly clear why SIR's R44s should be replaced ahead of their NYCT brethren.

Still, there must be 36 cars somewhere in the vast MTA system that could be used on SIR. No?


Needs to be something EMU, so that rules out quite a lot. As I said before, all of the available units from NYCT that would be reefed aren't suitable replacements for R44s. MNR has about 40 M1As, but they still put those to occasional use, and the third rail on MNR is of a different type, and they're designed to use higher voltage, and they require greater clearances, being 85' long, and rather taller than subway equipment. It's not at all clear to me that SIR is up to maintaining those cars, either, or that those cars would even fit most NYCT shops.

SIR's best hope for new rolling stock will be, I think, either as part of the order that replaces the R44s, or perhaps - assuming that SIR can handle commuter rail stock - maybe LIRR's future M9 order.

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