|
|
| Re: Re-Open LIRR 'White Pot Junction (582530) | |
 |
|
| Home > SubChat | |
[ Post a New Response | Return to the Index ]
|
Page 9 of 12 |
||
|
| (584115) | |
Re: Re-Open LIRR 'White Pot Junction |
|
|
Posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Mon Mar 10 13:18:40 2008, in response to Re: Re-Open LIRR 'White Pot Junction, posted by SMAZ on Mon Mar 10 02:41:49 2008. It would be more realistic to make it go somewhere with a bridge to an elevated terminal on 3rd Avenue between 36th and 37th Streets. And that's obviously not going to happen either. |
|
|
| (584119) | |
Re: Thus Spake the LION: Re: Re-Open LIRR 'White Pot Junction |
|
|
Posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Mon Mar 10 13:23:13 2008, in response to Re: Thus Spake the LION: Re: Re-Open LIRR 'White Pot Junction, posted by SMAZ on Sun Mar 9 23:13:46 2008. I wonder what he has in mind for a Bronx terminal.Maybe bridge over that bus depot and run to E180 St? |
|
|
| (584121) | |
Re: LIRR/Airtrain Solution Re: Re-Open LIRR 'White Pot Junction |
|
|
Posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Mon Mar 10 13:27:55 2008, in response to Re: LIRR/Airtrain Solution Re: Re-Open LIRR 'White Pot Junction, posted by NIMBYkiller on Sun Mar 9 23:55:04 2008. Plus with it being mentioned that they're considering airtrain LGA-Woodside alreadySunnyside would probably be easier. And then run across the Queensboro Bridge... ;-) |
|
|
(Sponsored) |
iPhone 6 (4.7 Inch) Premium PU Leather Wallet Case - Red w/ Floral Interior - by Notch-It |
|
| (584122) | |
Re: LIRR/Airtrain Solution Re: Re-Open LIRR 'White Pot Junction |
|
|
Posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Mon Mar 10 13:29:31 2008, in response to Re: LIRR/Airtrain Solution Re: Re-Open LIRR 'White Pot Junction, posted by SMAZ on Sun Mar 9 21:06:10 2008. A JFK-LGA link could probably be built far more cheaply by extending the current Jamaica branch over the Van Wyck to the GCP and into LGA with perhaps a stop at Willets Point.Yep. The big problem then would be that there are a lot of beese that terminate at Flushing Main Street, not Willets Point. |
|
|
| (584137) | |
Re: Re-Open LIRR 'White Pot Junction |
|
|
Posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Mon Mar 10 13:41:20 2008, in response to Re: Re-Open LIRR 'White Pot Junction, posted by NIMBYkiller on Sat Mar 8 20:12:57 2008. Frequencies isn't so much a problem as price is.Frequencies are really important for getting decent off-peak ridership. |
|
|
| (584141) | |
Re: Re-Open LIRR 'White Pot Junction |
|
|
Posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Mon Mar 10 13:47:55 2008, in response to Re: Re-Open LIRR 'White Pot Junction, posted by SMAZ on Sun Mar 9 15:57:39 2008. The Nancy via 63rd could work in the absence of Phase III.Yes, although this does rely on the MTA having got their ridership predictions right for Phase II. If they are wild underestimates (as I suspect they may well be), then the N and Q will have to run up 2nd, and the extra 63rd Street service would bump all 53rd Street service onto 8th Avenue. The problem then becomes one of operating the WTC terminal efficiently. |
|
|
| (584144) | |
Re: Re-Open LIRR 'White Pot Junction |
|
|
Posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Mon Mar 10 13:50:48 2008, in response to Re: Re-Open LIRR 'White Pot Junction, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Mar 8 23:08:20 2008. Great in the world of Utopia.Good plan! Extend the Rockaway branch a few miles east under Union Turnpike! |
|
|
| (584145) | |
Re: Re-Open LIRR 'White Pot Junction |
|
|
Posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Mon Mar 10 13:56:58 2008, in response to Re: Re-Open LIRR 'White Pot Junction, posted by NIMBYkiller on Sat Mar 8 20:17:50 2008. Then I ask, what does everyone think running time would be from Rockaways to midtown via QB local?About 8 minutes more than via QB express. |
|
|
| (584146) | |
Re: Re-Open LIRR 'White Pot Junction |
|
|
Posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Mon Mar 10 13:57:56 2008, in response to Re: Re-Open LIRR 'White Pot Junction, posted by SMAZ on Sun Mar 9 15:38:52 2008. But the politicos are trying to sell it to the public as a one-seat ride to JFK.No scheme for which is at all worth the money. |
|
|
| (584147) | |
Re: Re-Open LIRR 'White Pot Junction |
|
|
Posted by NIMBYkiller on Mon Mar 10 13:58:04 2008, in response to Re: Re-Open LIRR 'White Pot Junction, posted by Broadway Lion on Mon Mar 10 10:58:08 2008. You should've continued reading. I was saying that for when the connection timing works, it will be easier to switch there than NYP. BTW, perhaps you should look at some numbers. There's a website somewhere, gotta try to find it later, that shows how many people commute between different counties. The numbers between Nassau/Queens and the eastern NJ counties was pretty high. So don't tell me there's only a miniscule market. Is it huge? No, but am I saying every train needs to connect, no. |
|
|
| (584150) | |
Re: LIRR/Airtrain Solution Re: Re-Open LIRR 'White Pot Junction |
|
|
Posted by NIMBYkiller on Mon Mar 10 14:00:47 2008, in response to Re: LIRR/Airtrain Solution Re: Re-Open LIRR 'White Pot Junction, posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Mon Mar 10 13:29:31 2008. Which is the problem I've always mentioned with Willets Point. Plus, LIRR only stops there on event days. |
|
|
| (584163) | |
Re: Re-Open LIRR 'White Pot Junction |
|
|
Posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Mon Mar 10 14:50:51 2008, in response to Re: Re-Open LIRR 'White Pot Junction, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Mar 9 11:42:00 2008. "Metropolitan Avenue = Metropolitan Avenue (Myrtle)"Absolutely not, Metropolitan Ave in middle Village is in the middle of no where. People can only either walk or take the bus to that location, you can't even park anywhere near there if you wanted to. You have a hard time even dropping off people in front, as it's a traffic lane in front of the place (very congested traffic wise), and you can't just stop there. Exactly. Most of its ridership comes from bus transferees, just like a station between St John's Cemetery and Forest Park would. The low densities mean that very few people are within walking distance. "Myrtle Avenue = Bushwick Avenue / Aberdeen Street (14-Canarsie)" Absolutely not, Bushwick-Aberdeen is even more desolate than Metropolitan on the M. There's really nothing at either location. Both also have a lot of their potential transferees removed by the BMT Jamaica Line. "Liberty Avenue - Rockaway Blvd = Forest Avenue (Myrtle)" I am very familiar with Forest on the M. I am not as familiar with Liberty Ave there, however, having lived near Forest on the M (which was once my home station), I often walked to Myrtle and Wyckoff as the M isn't a convenient line if you need most locations in Manhattan. So the L takes away a lot of the M's potential ridership. The M isn't as desirable because of where it goes in Manhattan. Liberty would have good Midtown access, and you don't have an alternative route like you do not far from Forest Ave. Exactly. Forest Avenue looks as if it should be a very high ridership station with lots of bus connections, but it just isn't. It's got subway competition from a line with inevitably better frequencies. With Rockaway Blvd (A) nearby, Rockaway Blvd (X) is likely to be somewhat similar, especially when you remember that the A train is TEH EXPRESS!!! But although you may disagree about the details, overall an annual ridership of approximately 4½ million is at least in the right sort of ballpark. It's not going to be anywhere near the 17½ million of the three Archer Av Subway stations. It would be a low ridership line, but would cause just enough of a problem across the platform at Roosevelt Avenue. |
|
|
| (584166) | |
Re: LIRR/Airtrain Solution Re: Re-Open LIRR 'White Pot Junction |
|
|
Posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Mon Mar 10 15:04:20 2008, in response to Re: LIRR/Airtrain Solution Re: Re-Open LIRR 'White Pot Junction, posted by NIMBYkiller on Mon Mar 10 14:00:47 2008. Plus, LIRR only stops there on event days.Well, that would change if it were the LGA station (and JFK for the Port Washington Bra), but still it would be a really good idea to interleave a Flushing-LGA service. |
|
|
| (584173) | |
Re: Re-Open LIRR 'White Pot Junction |
|
|
Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Mar 10 15:18:39 2008, in response to Re: Re-Open LIRR 'White Pot Junction, posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Mon Mar 10 14:50:51 2008. Actually, looking at street view, it actually captured one of the rare few people using Bushwick-Aberdeen station!
|
|
|
| (584174) | |
Re: Re-Open LIRR 'White Pot Junction |
|
|
Posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Mon Mar 10 15:21:34 2008, in response to Re: Re-Open LIRR 'White Pot Junction, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Mar 10 15:18:39 2008. Haha! Maybe he's come to buy an SUV... |
|
|
| (584176) | |
Re: Re-Open LIRR 'White Pot Junction |
|
|
Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Mar 10 15:26:26 2008, in response to Re: Re-Open LIRR 'White Pot Junction, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Mar 10 15:18:39 2008. Haha, well here's Metro Ave's location, which really is more desolate than Bushwick-Aberdeen, however, does get a lot of foot traffic from buses, etc:View Larger Map |
|
|
| (584177) | |
Re: Re-Open LIRR 'White Pot Junction |
|
|
Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Mar 10 15:26:49 2008, in response to Re: Re-Open LIRR 'White Pot Junction, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Mar 10 15:18:39 2008. Haha, well here's Metro Ave's location, which really is more desolate than Bushwick-Aberdeen, however, does get a lot of foot traffic from buses, etc:View Larger Map |
|
|
| (584206) | |
Re: Re-Open LIRR 'White Pot Junction |
|
|
Posted by Wado MP73 on Mon Mar 10 17:19:04 2008, in response to Re: Re-Open LIRR 'White Pot Junction, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Mar 9 13:07:25 2008. IIRC, it was more like 20 to 30 minutes faster, with the fastest train doing Far Rock to Penn in under 40 minutes. Ozone Pk to Penn was around twenty minutes. I can't find timetables of the era online to back this up but I shouldn't be far from the real figures. |
|
|
| (584207) | |
Re: Re-Open LIRR 'White Pot Junction |
|
|
Posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Mon Mar 10 17:21:19 2008, in response to Re: Re-Open LIRR 'White Pot Junction, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Mar 10 15:26:26 2008. And this doesn't look much better:View Larger Map |
|
|
| (584223) | |
Re: Chrystie St/Second Ave Connection? |
|
|
Posted by Wado MP73 on Mon Mar 10 18:13:15 2008, in response to Re: Chrystie St/Second Ave Connection?, posted by shadyelstation on Mon Mar 10 09:27:52 2008. I thought that they were avoiding the already dug parts of LoMEX. |
|
|
| (584257) | |
Re: LIRR/Airtrain Solution Re: Re-Open LIRR 'White Pot Junction |
|
|
Posted by FarRock on Mon Mar 10 19:31:14 2008, in response to Re: LIRR/Airtrain Solution Re: Re-Open LIRR 'White Pot Junction, posted by NIMBYkiller on Mon Mar 10 00:03:56 2008. Whats the TPH of Atlantic Av? The Airtrain would have to run down the existing LIRR tracks.Like I said before it would be stupid to send the Airtrain down the abandoned ROW. Leave that to NYCT for possible express service. Besides that, like I said before, doesnt the NYCT own parts of the abandoned ROW other than the current (A) route? |
|
|
| (584265) | |
Re: The LION's Plan: Was: Re-Open LIRR 'White Pot Junction |
|
|
Posted by FarRock on Mon Mar 10 20:21:20 2008, in response to The LION's Plan: Was: Re-Open LIRR 'White Pot Junction, posted by Broadway Lion on Mon Mar 10 11:31:55 2008. You can't touch the current (A) route to Far Rockaway. Any plan that has that in mind is DOA. |
|
|
| (584270) | |
Re: The LION's Plan: Was: Re-Open LIRR 'White Pot Junction |
|
|
Posted by Broadway Lion on Mon Mar 10 20:33:58 2008, in response to Re: The LION's Plan: Was: Re-Open LIRR 'White Pot Junction, posted by FarRock on Mon Mar 10 20:21:20 2008. ???And replace it with a new (7)??? Much Faster to mid-town than the (A) Arrives at GCT and TSQ Faster than a speeding bullet, More powerful than a locomotive and who, disguised as a LION is able to leap over lowly locals... ROAR |
|
|
| (584277) | |
Re: LIRR/Airtrain Solution Re: Re-Open LIRR 'White Pot Junction |
|
|
Posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Mon Mar 10 21:04:06 2008, in response to Re: LIRR/Airtrain Solution Re: Re-Open LIRR 'White Pot Junction, posted by NIMBYkiller on Sun Mar 9 23:56:32 2008. Well, sending the R or V down to Ozone Park would, at the very least, turn a three-seat ride into a two-seat ride (Q11/Q53 bus to the R or V to the E or F), so that would certainly be one advantage of reusing the old Rockaway line only to Ozone Park. OK, I can see that working to an extent. |
|
|
| (584279) | |
Re: The LION's Plan: Was: Re-Open LIRR 'White Pot Junction |
|
|
Posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Mon Mar 10 21:09:13 2008, in response to Re: The LION's Plan: Was: Re-Open LIRR 'White Pot Junction, posted by Broadway Lion on Mon Mar 10 20:33:58 2008. That would be a non-starter. A 7 coming from the Rockaways would have to go waaaay out of its way to reach Manhattan, even if it ran express (which it wouldn't be able to do in both directions simultaneously anyway). Plus (minus, actually), you'd be replacing the IND-sized cars of the A with much smaller IRT-sized ones (and shorter trains too). You'll never hear the end of it from Rockaway riders. |
|
|
| (584306) | |
Re: The LION's Plan: Was: Re-Open LIRR 'White Pot Junction |
|
|
Posted by trainsarefun on Mon Mar 10 22:04:08 2008, in response to The LION's Plan: Was: Re-Open LIRR 'White Pot Junction, posted by Broadway Lion on Mon Mar 10 11:31:55 2008. So Lions smoke dope too? :) |
|
|
| (584324) | |
Re: LIRR/Airtrain Solution Re: Re-Open LIRR 'White Pot Junction |
|
|
Posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Mon Mar 10 22:19:19 2008, in response to Re: LIRR/Airtrain Solution Re: Re-Open LIRR 'White Pot Junction, posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Mon Mar 10 21:04:06 2008. Well, sending the R or V down to Ozone Park would, at the very least, turn a three-seat ride into a two-seat ride (Q11/Q53 bus to the R or V to the E or F), so that would certainly be one advantage of reusing the old Rockaway line only to Ozone Park. OK, I can see that working to an extent.The Super Express alone would achieve that. |
|
|
| (584325) | |
Re: The LION's Plan: Was: Re-Open LIRR 'White Pot Junction |
|
|
Posted by Broadway Lion on Mon Mar 10 22:19:38 2008, in response to Re: The LION's Plan: Was: Re-Open LIRR 'White Pot Junction, posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Mon Mar 10 21:09:13 2008. Huh? Since when do Rockaway riders fill up any sort of a subway train.And how is is way out of the way? None of it will be running on any of the existing (7) line until it reaches the Stineway Tunnel. How many stops are on that line now? How many did you think I was going to put on it? (None and None.) The AirTrain consists will run non-stop into the city. The Rockaway Consists would make only two or three stops on the Rockaway and one on the LIE. This route will NOT be a conventional subway route except for the trains from the Rockaways. The rest of the run, and the LIE run will be to and from Park and Ride depots and the city. Except as a bone to the people living along Woodhaven, there would be no conventional stops on these lines. ROAR |
|
|
| (584335) | |
Re: The LION's Plan: Was: Re-Open LIRR 'White Pot Junction |
|
|
Posted by trainsarefun on Mon Mar 10 22:38:27 2008, in response to Re: The LION's Plan: Was: Re-Open LIRR 'White Pot Junction, posted by Broadway Lion on Mon Mar 10 22:19:38 2008. You'd probably have to unbalanced service on those branches - the NE Queens line would require more service, probably even all of the capacity available through the Steinway Tunnel, actually. |
|
|
| (584365) | |
Re: The LION's Plan: Was: Re-Open LIRR 'White Pot Junction |
|
|
Posted by FarRock on Mon Mar 10 23:48:22 2008, in response to Re: The LION's Plan: Was: Re-Open LIRR 'White Pot Junction, posted by Broadway Lion on Mon Mar 10 22:19:38 2008. Did you ever ride the (A) during rush hrs?It gets crowded in the morning going uptown and crowded in the evening going downtown. Yes I'm talking about in the Rockaways. |
|
|
| (584369) | |
Re: The LION's Plan: Was: Re-Open LIRR 'White Pot Junction |
|
|
Posted by trainsarefun on Tue Mar 11 00:08:52 2008, in response to Re: The LION's Plan: Was: Re-Open LIRR 'White Pot Junction, posted by FarRock on Mon Mar 10 23:48:22 2008. Not like some other routes that could use the help, e.g., N/W going southbound from QBP around 9am, dangerously overcrowded, wall-to-wall people.Lion's problem - aside from funding - is that the trunk line crosstown won't be able to provide enough capacity to provide frequent enough service on those lines; the LIE line along could suck up all that capacity, one would think. |
|
|
| (584401) | |
Rockaway Line via White Pot Junction |
|
|
Posted by Wallyhorse on Tue Mar 11 01:16:11 2008, in response to Re: Re-Open LIRR 'White Pot Junction, posted by NIMBYkiller on Sat Mar 8 20:46:33 2008. It sounds to me like the Rockaway option, even local to Ozone Park is the best option there, and yes, if the Super Express is built this would be one option for it. |
|
|
| (584407) | |
Re: Re-Open LIRR 'White Pot Junction |
|
|
Posted by Wallyhorse on Tue Mar 11 01:22:16 2008, in response to Re: Re-Open LIRR 'White Pot Junction, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Mar 9 12:35:16 2008. Exactly:Especially if the Super Express were eventually built, then that would probably suffice as far as a faster ride from the Rockaways. Such would also give people in a lot of Queens who play the horses a faster route to Aqueduct via subway (which is important for about half of the year). |
|
|
| (584409) | |
Re: Re-Open LIRR 'White Pot Junction |
|
|
Posted by SMAZ on Tue Mar 11 01:30:58 2008, in response to Re: Re-Open LIRR 'White Pot Junction, posted by NIMBYkiller on Mon Mar 10 13:58:04 2008. Yup. I read that. I think that it was the NYT that ran that column about opposite direction commuting and it included the growing number of people from NJ who work in Westchester and LI or are from LI and work in NJ or Westchester and so on. I couldn't find that article either. |
|
|
| (584411) | |
Re: Re-Open LIRR 'White Pot Junction |
|
|
Posted by SMAZ on Tue Mar 11 01:34:01 2008, in response to Re: Re-Open LIRR 'White Pot Junction, posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Mon Mar 10 13:47:55 2008. Agreed. |
|
|
| (584418) | |
Re: Re-Open LIRR 'White Pot Junction |
|
|
Posted by SMAZ on Tue Mar 11 01:38:29 2008, in response to Re: Re-Open LIRR 'White Pot Junction, posted by trainsarefun on Mon Mar 10 08:04:35 2008. That's how THE Tunnel should have been planned. Hell they are still in time to alter the plans. I guess you would get (T)rans (H)udson (E)xpress and (T)rans (E)ast (E)xpress Tunnels. |
|
|
| (584419) | |
Re: LIRR/Airtrain Solution Re: Re-Open LIRR 'White Pot Junction |
|
|
Posted by NIMBYkiller on Tue Mar 11 01:40:19 2008, in response to Re: LIRR/Airtrain Solution Re: Re-Open LIRR 'White Pot Junction, posted by FarRock on Mon Mar 10 19:31:14 2008. No, the city owns it. Why not use the middle tracks of the ROW for airtrain? Having an express subway on that would be overkill given the lack of ridership coming from the Rockaways |
|
|
| (584420) | |
Re: LIRR/Airtrain Solution Re: Re-Open LIRR 'White Pot Junction |
|
|
Posted by SMAZ on Tue Mar 11 01:43:32 2008, in response to Re: LIRR/Airtrain Solution Re: Re-Open LIRR 'White Pot Junction, posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Mon Mar 10 13:27:55 2008. The Queensboro Bridge is not strong enough to handle the extra weight. Or so they say anyway. |
|
|
| (584422) | |
Re: LIRR/Airtrain Solution Re: Re-Open LIRR 'White Pot Junction |
|
|
Posted by SMAZ on Tue Mar 11 01:52:11 2008, in response to Re: LIRR/Airtrain Solution Re: Re-Open LIRR 'White Pot Junction, posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Mon Mar 10 15:04:20 2008. Well, that would change if it were the LGA station (and JFK for the Port Washington Bra), but still it would be a really good idea to interleave a Flushing-LGA service.That's right. As for the buses...well once on the bus then you might at well stay on it or transfer to another one until you get into LGA. The Q48 from Main St comes to mind. AirTrain north to the Van Wyck from Jamaica Station would also give non-PW LIRR a ride to LGA. |
|
|
| (584423) | |
Re: Thus Spake the LION: Re: Re-Open LIRR 'White Pot Junction |
|
|
Posted by SMAZ on Tue Mar 11 02:09:24 2008, in response to Re: Thus Spake the LION: Re: Re-Open LIRR 'White Pot Junction, posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Mon Mar 10 13:23:13 2008. Since Sander seems to like the idea of reclaiming abandoned ROWs, I say bring back the St. Mary's ROW in the Bronx and run it up the Harlem Line to Wakefield. |
|
|
| (584428) | |
Re: LIRR/Airtrain Solution Re: Re-Open LIRR 'White Pot Junction |
|
|
Posted by SMAZ on Tue Mar 11 02:29:14 2008, in response to Re: LIRR/Airtrain Solution Re: Re-Open LIRR 'White Pot Junction, posted by NIMBYkiller on Mon Mar 10 06:58:38 2008. ooops, meant west of MyrtleThe problem would arise west of Marcy Av when the trains would all merge unto two tracks...specifically the Williamsburg Bridge. 10 (V/Z) + 12 (J) + 6 (M) = 28 TPH during rush hours on the Willy B and that would be pushing it. I don't know if it could handle it and I don't know what the (J/K/M) were running there in the 60s-70s. I would think that 28 TPH would be the limit and would probably work. |
|
|
| (584429) | |
Re: Reopening LIRR White Pot Junction/other potential ripple effects |
|
|
Posted by SMAZ on Tue Mar 11 02:35:52 2008, in response to Reopening LIRR White Pot Junction/other potential ripple effects, posted by Wallyhorse on Mon Mar 10 05:22:49 2008. Yeah such a proposal would indeed kill a M-V merge. See my proposal for a circular (V) service. I think you would find it interesting. If they were to do that I would just leave the (M) as is so that people at local stops from Myrtle/Bway on west would get a Midtown service AND a Downtown service. |
|
|
| (584437) | |
Re: Reopening LIRR White Pot Junction/other potential ripple effects |
|
|
Posted by Wallyhorse on Tue Mar 11 03:04:35 2008, in response to Re: Reopening LIRR White Pot Junction/other potential ripple effects, posted by SMAZ on Tue Mar 11 02:35:52 2008. I think I saw that already. It is quite interesting to do a loop to/from (I think) Belmont Park) as you have suggested. |
|
|
| (584439) | |
Re: The LION's Plan: Was: Re-Open LIRR 'White Pot Junction |
|
|
Posted by SMAZ on Tue Mar 11 03:12:25 2008, in response to Re: The LION's Plan: Was: Re-Open LIRR 'White Pot Junction, posted by trainsarefun on Mon Mar 10 22:04:08 2008. So Lions smoke dope too?:)More like massive amounts of catnip. ;-> |
|
|
| (584444) | |
Re: Thus Spake the LION: Re: Re-Open LIRR 'White Pot Junction |
|
|
Posted by Wallyhorse on Tue Mar 11 03:33:53 2008, in response to Re: Thus Spake the LION: Re: Re-Open LIRR 'White Pot Junction, posted by SMAZ on Sat Mar 8 16:14:48 2008. Or, if monies can be found to do so:Have this Rockaway line be the super express to a new tunnel that would have a new stop on the north end of Roosevelt Island and another new stop in Manhattan on York-1st Avenues and 79th Street before joining the SAS at 72nd Street and/or going with the Q via 63rd Street to the Broadway Line. If this is done, you could potentially have TWO Rockaway lines, running a combined 20-30tph or so at peak hours with access to both east and west side lines that would give Super Express riders a choice of the east or west side and also give those in a densily populated area of the upper east side an additional option for the SAS where even with the new line, especially for those east of 2nd avenue there is going to be a considerable walk for some that this line would relieve there. |
|
|
| (584450) | |
Re: Re-Open LIRR 'White Pot Junction |
|
|
Posted by SMAZ on Tue Mar 11 03:55:26 2008, in response to Re: Re-Open LIRR 'White Pot Junction, posted by Wallyhorse on Tue Mar 11 01:22:16 2008. This new route would presumably use the middle express tracks south of Liberty Av and thus skip Aqueduct in order to give Rockaway residents a faster ride. I can see them stopping there on race days if they can put in some switches. |
|
|
| (584455) | |
Re: Reopening LIRR White Pot Junction/other potential ripple effects |
|
|
Posted by SMAZ on Tue Mar 11 04:11:29 2008, in response to Re: Reopening LIRR White Pot Junction/other potential ripple effects, posted by Wallyhorse on Tue Mar 11 03:04:35 2008. No...the clockwise (V/Z) would go from 63rd Dr to 63rd Dr via Whitepot/Old Rock ROW then unto the Jamaica El tracks near Woodhaven Blvd then unto 6th Av via Willy B/Christie Cut where it would continue as it does today. There would also be a counter-clockwise service. The (J) could then be third-tracked from there and run peak directional express 18/5. Express stops on the (J) could be Woodhaven, Cypress Hills (or Crescent), Bway Jct, Myrtle and Marcy. (It would run local when the (V) is not running). Once the Super-Express is built, a SAS coming from the 63rd St tunnel would complement it but keep running south to Rockaway Park. |
|
|
| (584462) | |
Re: Re-Open LIRR 'White Pot Junction |
|
|
Posted by Wallyhorse on Tue Mar 11 04:58:03 2008, in response to Re: Re-Open LIRR 'White Pot Junction, posted by SMAZ on Tue Mar 11 03:55:26 2008. Which would be half the year (usually late October to late April).It would actually be the Aqueduct-North Conduit station that would be in the direction from Manhattan on the A, while the Aqueduct Racetrack station can be used on race days for trains going to Manhattan. On weekends during the racing season (especially big race days, a limited number trains on this branch could perhaps terminate at Aqueduct. Also, if the middle tracks are used, it may be worth converting Aqueduct-North Conduit into a four track, two-island platform station, especially since Aqueduct is going to become a "racino" in the next year or two once the New York Racing Association franchise extension finally goes through, which likely will mean much heavier ridership to that station and the adjancent racetrack station. |
|
|
| (584464) | |
Re: Reopening LIRR White Pot Junction/other potential ripple effects |
|
|
Posted by Wallyhorse on Tue Mar 11 05:02:57 2008, in response to Re: Reopening LIRR White Pot Junction/other potential ripple effects, posted by SMAZ on Tue Mar 11 04:11:29 2008. That makes more sense to me.Sort of like what I have in mind for the Bay Parkway part of the M route by converting that into a loop that start and finish at Bay Parkway by going to Manhattan via the Montauge Street tunnel, make the three stops on Nassau Street (Broad, Fulton and Chambers) via the old Nassau Street Loop and via a rebuild of the connection to the Manhattan Bridge going to Brooklyn ONLY, returning to Bay Parkway via the Manny B (meaning the Lawrence and Court Street stops in Brooklyn on this loop would only be done in the Manhattan bound portion of the loop). That to me would work. |
|
|
| (584469) | |
Re: Queens/Rockaway Super Express with Roosevelt Island and upper east side stops |
|
|
Posted by Wallyhorse on Tue Mar 11 06:13:34 2008, in response to Re: Thus Spake the LION: Re: Re-Open LIRR 'White Pot Junction, posted by SMAZ on Sat Mar 8 16:22:51 2008. But with the possible need of 63rd street for more capacity on Queens Blvd. later on, if the Rockaway line winds up being the Super Express, what needs to likely be done is to set it up where it can be such (with a stop at Roosevelt Avenue due to it being a MAJOR transfer point to/from the 7), then if monies can be found to do it build a new tunnel further north in Queens that would allow for stops on the north side of Roosevelt Island and more importantly, a stop on York-1st Avenues and 79th street in Manhattan that I think would be heavily used by upper east siders independent of the SAS, especially since for many with the SAS being set up as it is, those who live east of 2nd Avenue in the 76th-81st street range (which is densely populated) will have a considerable walk to either the 72nd or 83rd street entrances to the SAS).Such a line I would then have stop at 72nd/2nd, then splitting into two branches: One going with the T, eventually to Hanover Square, the other going with the Q to Coney Island. The line going with the Q can be the N or W train, the line going with the T can be a K or U train. |
|
|
|
Page 9 of 12 |
||
