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Posted by monorail on Sat Mar 8 11:22:23 2008, in response to Re: Re-Open LIRR 'White Pot Junction, posted by SUBWAYSURF on Sat Mar 8 06:18:52 2008. try to grab a hat made by the 'Susquehana Hat Company'......... |
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Posted by monorail on Sat Mar 8 11:23:18 2008, in response to Re: Re-Open LIRR 'White Pot Junction, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Mar 8 08:47:35 2008. 'I never want to see another AirTrain thread again. ' Plan on leaving this board sooon..... |
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Posted by monorail on Sat Mar 8 11:25:43 2008, in response to Re-Open LIRR 'White Pot Junction, posted by NEPONSIT2006 on Fri Mar 7 18:00:11 2008. Sounds like a great idea!But chances are it will suffer the same fate as the plans for The Montauk Option several years back....... Too many NIMBYS.... |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Sat Mar 8 11:29:28 2008, in response to Re: Re-Open LIRR 'White Pot Junction, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Mar 7 22:12:21 2008. Yeah, but would a local result in any time savings for Rockaway residents? |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Sat Mar 8 11:30:15 2008, in response to Re: Re-Open LIRR 'White Pot Junction, posted by Jeff Rosen on Sat Mar 8 05:44:58 2008. What about those west of Hammels wye? |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Sat Mar 8 11:33:17 2008, in response to Re: Re-Open LIRR 'White Pot Junction, posted by FarRock on Sat Mar 8 11:20:10 2008. kinda sellfish |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Sat Mar 8 11:34:29 2008, in response to Re: Re-Open LIRR 'White Pot Junction, posted by SMAZ on Sat Mar 8 01:28:29 2008. Where'd you hear that? |
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Re: Thus Spake the LION: Re: Re-Open LIRR 'White Pot Junction |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Sat Mar 8 11:38:26 2008, in response to Thus Spake the LION: Re: Re-Open LIRR 'White Pot Junction, posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Mar 8 10:49:51 2008. I like the idea, but one thing. The 6 tracks was only at Rego Park station. Just west of that, the Rockaway tracks merged into the mainline. Now, if there IS space for subway tracks along the LIRR ROW, then hell yeah, this is the plan for it. The only other question I have is what to do at Winfield Jct where the PW branch comes in? |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Sat Mar 8 11:41:24 2008, in response to Re: Re-Open LIRR 'White Pot Junction, posted by SMAZ on Sat Mar 8 01:28:29 2008. That'll be the day....Airtrain is here to stay, using the current mode. That's my prediction. |
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Posted by FarRock on Sat Mar 8 11:41:54 2008, in response to Re: Re-Open LIRR 'White Pot Junction, posted by NIMBYkiller on Sat Mar 8 11:33:17 2008. To make it look more reasonable look at it like this. If the LIRR does come back out here wouldn't it eliminate the (A)? You can't have subway and railroad trains running together. If you turn the ROW into a subway line it can make stops along the ROW and still save time to get to Midtown. |
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Posted by FarRock on Sat Mar 8 11:43:29 2008, in response to Re: Re-Open LIRR 'White Pot Junction, posted by NIMBYkiller on Sat Mar 8 11:30:15 2008. He's talkin bout the current branch. The only way to get LIRR out there is to build a new set of railroad tracks and I doubt thats ever gonna happen. |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Sat Mar 8 11:43:35 2008, in response to Re: Re-Open LIRR 'White Pot Junction, posted by Nyctransitman on Fri Mar 7 23:59:22 2008. I don't think a local train is gonna help out much. Rockaway residents still end up stuck with the slow ride |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Sat Mar 8 11:44:26 2008, in response to Re: Re-Open LIRR 'White Pot Junction, posted by Nyctransitman on Fri Mar 7 23:59:22 2008. Also, LIRR terminating at Aqueduct would make no sense. An effort should be made to run it to Howard Beach if it were to be done with LIRR |
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Re: Thus Spake the LION: Re: Re-Open LIRR 'White Pot Junction |
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Posted by Lord Vader on Sat Mar 8 11:54:17 2008, in response to Thus Spake the LION: Re: Re-Open LIRR 'White Pot Junction, posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Mar 8 10:49:51 2008. No. I think the W train would be a wiser run from Rockaway Park to Whitehall St via QB express.Vader |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Sat Mar 8 11:56:07 2008, in response to Re: Re-Open LIRR 'White Pot Junction, posted by FarRock on Sat Mar 8 11:41:54 2008. Even if it's local on Queens Blvd? |
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Re: Thus Spake the LION: Re: Re-Open LIRR 'White Pot Junction |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Mar 8 11:56:48 2008, in response to Re: Thus Spake the LION: Re: Re-Open LIRR 'White Pot Junction, posted by NIMBYkiller on Sat Mar 8 11:38:26 2008. Yup.I just looked that the satelites. Obviously it will either have to go elevated or go subway well before it gets to Roosevelt Avenue. Elevated is cheaper, subway is prettier. Those buses ARE parked on the Rockaway ROW and on the Atlantic Connection, and there are sure a lot of them. They will have to go. There is a place where the ROW was paved over for a parking lot for a tall residential. Probably have to go under that, or build the parking lot up on stilts. Most of the NIMBYs are set well away from the ROW, but in Brooklyn they are rather close and will bitch. ROAR |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Sat Mar 8 11:57:00 2008, in response to Re: Re-Open LIRR 'White Pot Junction, posted by FarRock on Sat Mar 8 11:43:29 2008. No, he's saying folks should just ride out to Far Rock and catch the LIRR out there. But does that provide any time savings really for those west of Hammels wye |
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Re: Thus Spake the LION: Re: Re-Open LIRR 'White Pot Junction |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Sat Mar 8 12:02:46 2008, in response to Thus Spake the LION: Re: Re-Open LIRR 'White Pot Junction, posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Mar 8 10:49:51 2008. Some problems:This would require exclusively Broadway local service to Astoria, something which I favor because this is how the tracks are set up. But how do you propose that these N trains get to the upper level of the 63rd St Tunnel? West of Winfield Jct between the LIRR Pt Washington branch and the Main Line, it's a 6-track ROW still, but all 6 tracks are presently used by LIRR. You can send the N trains on to the Queens Blvd Line's local tracks, bu they would be roughly capped at 10 tph, and there would be merges with R and V trains at 63rd Dr, with F trains at 36th St and 7th Av/63rd St, with Q trains at 7th Av/63rd St, and then the N route's usual merges in Brooklyn. You can build a new tunnel, but that's too costly to be done, assuming that even the connector could be done. But I like to think that I can maybe offer some possible solutions. So try this. Ridership on this new route can't be forecasted to be spectacularly high. All NYCT service from the Rockaways is replaced by LIRR service on the new Mott Av-HPA or Rockaway Wye routes. Some trains would operate over the Mott Av-FBA or Mott Av-ESA routes. Rockaway Wye: Short train goes from Rockaway Park to Mott Av. Mott Av: From the terminal to either HPA via the Main Line or to FBA via the Atlantic Line. Change at Woodside for ESA and NYP trains, for the Flushing Line, and for LGA Airtrain; change at Sunnyside for NYP trains or a walk to Queensboro/Queens Plazas. NYCT trains on the Fulton St Line would run either to Euclid Av or Ozone Park. Why do I think that only the LIRR solution is really workable? Well, it keeps costs down. LIRR is by definition with compatible with LIRR whereas NYCT is not. other than restoring the Rockaway Branch, it doesn't involve a ton of new construction. It also offers the Rockaways a real tie-in to New York that's not now present. Rockaways are far enough out that commuter service is appropriate, I think. Otherwise, via the NYCT option, costs start to spiral (even more rapidly) out of control. The main obstacle to the plan is one shared by the NYCT option: NIMBYs. Funding the LIRR option would be cheaper than the NYCT option, but that only means it's relatively easier, not simple. Funding the NYCT option would be very difficult, I tend to think, given the new construction above and beyond the LIRR option required. |
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Posted by FarRock on Sat Mar 8 12:04:03 2008, in response to Re: Re-Open LIRR 'White Pot Junction, posted by NIMBYkiller on Sat Mar 8 11:56:07 2008. No. It can hit Queens Blvd probably at Roosevelt Avenue. After that it would run with the (F) and branch off to the SAS. |
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Re: Thus Spake the LION: Re: Re-Open LIRR 'White Pot Junction |
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Posted by FarRock on Sat Mar 8 12:06:03 2008, in response to Re: Thus Spake the LION: Re: Re-Open LIRR 'White Pot Junction, posted by trainsarefun on Sat Mar 8 12:02:46 2008. YOU CANT REPLACE THE (A) WITH LIRR SERVICE. |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Sat Mar 8 12:07:07 2008, in response to Re: Re-Open LIRR 'White Pot Junction, posted by FarRock on Sat Mar 8 12:04:03 2008. It can hit Queens Blvd probably at Roosevelt Avenue. After that it would run with the (F) and branch off to the SAS.Wrong answer. Unless you want to put all E trains on the local track. Non-starter. The trains will be running local on Queens Blvd, if it were ever happen that they ran on Queens blvd in the first place. |
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Re: Thus Spake the LION: Re: Re-Open LIRR 'White Pot Junction |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Mar 8 12:07:57 2008, in response to Re: Thus Spake the LION: Re: Re-Open LIRR 'White Pot Junction, posted by Lord Vader on Sat Mar 8 11:54:17 2008. The 60th Street Tunnel puts them on the Broadway LOCAL.Better the (W) to Astoria, and the (N) via 63rd on the new line. ROAR |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Sat Mar 8 12:09:51 2008, in response to Re: Thus Spake the LION: Re: Re-Open LIRR 'White Pot Junction, posted by Lord Vader on Sat Mar 8 11:54:17 2008. No capacity to do that. We've already got 30 peak tph of E and F trains. You'll have to bump off one of those routes - a non-starter - to run this new route express. |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Sat Mar 8 12:11:09 2008, in response to Re: Thus Spake the LION: Re: Re-Open LIRR 'White Pot Junction, posted by trainsarefun on Sat Mar 8 12:02:46 2008. I'm starting to think replacing the A with LIRR isn't going to cut it |
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Re: Thus Spake the LION: Re: Re-Open LIRR 'White Pot Junction |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Sat Mar 8 12:20:18 2008, in response to Re: Thus Spake the LION: Re: Re-Open LIRR 'White Pot Junction, posted by FarRock on Sat Mar 8 12:06:03 2008. Maybe you're correct.But in that case, neither can you practically put NYCT trains on the ex-Rockaway Branch of LIRR. |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Sat Mar 8 12:22:33 2008, in response to Re: Thus Spake the LION: Re: Re-Open LIRR 'White Pot Junction, posted by NIMBYkiller on Sat Mar 8 12:11:09 2008. Maybe.On my thinking now, either the LIRR option flies, or else no option does, since the do-nothing option is allowed and the NYCT option is going to be hugely expensive involving new construction for minimal benefit. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Mar 8 12:25:32 2008, in response to Re: Thus Spake the LION: Re: Re-Open LIRR 'White Pot Junction, posted by trainsarefun on Sat Mar 8 12:22:33 2008. If you think getting this one off the ground is difficult, just wait until they try to build the Myrtle-Fifth Avenue Subway.ROARING |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Sat Mar 8 12:26:36 2008, in response to Re: Thus Spake the LION: Re: Re-Open LIRR 'White Pot Junction, posted by trainsarefun on Sat Mar 8 12:20:18 2008. Well, MTA is already talking about constructing a Queens super express, which would be useful in the future with subway expansion further east. So it can tie into that. It'd run along the LIRR to 63rd St tunnel like Broadway Lion has in his map. The only problem is Winfield Jct |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Sat Mar 8 12:27:02 2008, in response to Re: Thus Spake the LION: Re: Re-Open LIRR 'White Pot Junction, posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Mar 8 12:25:32 2008. Heh.Well, at least the benefit side of the Myrtle-5th Av Subway is greater, I'll give you that. You tie this thing into the Queens Blvd local tracks, and you're doing all that work for 10 tph, assuming you can find someplace to put it in Manhattan. |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Sat Mar 8 12:27:22 2008, in response to Re: Thus Spake the LION: Re: Re-Open LIRR 'White Pot Junction, posted by trainsarefun on Sat Mar 8 12:22:33 2008. Well, the Queens super express could be used in the future should the subway expand further east |
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Re: Thus Spake the LION: Re: Re-Open LIRR 'White Pot Junction |
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Posted by FarRock on Sat Mar 8 12:30:03 2008, in response to Re: Thus Spake the LION: Re: Re-Open LIRR 'White Pot Junction, posted by trainsarefun on Sat Mar 8 12:20:18 2008. Yes you can.Its been before, it can be done again. I dont see why you cant have the route run with the (F). via 63rd to the SAS. It wouldn't effect the (E) that much if the schedule is modified right. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Mar 8 12:36:52 2008, in response to Re: Thus Spake the LION: Re: Re-Open LIRR 'White Pot Junction, posted by trainsarefun on Sat Mar 8 12:27:02 2008. Can't go into the QB tracks. Needs to go into a new ROW.ROAR |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Mar 8 12:37:24 2008, in response to Re: Re-Open LIRR 'White Pot Junction, posted by Nyctransitman on Fri Mar 7 23:59:22 2008. If one of the locals is extended south along the LIRR ROW near Woodhaven Blvd, then the G could be re-extended to Continental Ave, since the issue preventing this now is terminal capacity there, not overall track capacity. |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Sat Mar 8 12:39:52 2008, in response to Re: Thus Spake the LION: Re: Re-Open LIRR 'White Pot Junction, posted by NIMBYkiller on Sat Mar 8 12:26:36 2008. Well, MTA is already talking about constructing a Queens super expressThat's the problem: talk is cheap, but action costs a lot. Presently, I dismiss the talk as idle and premature speculation, with little or no details, and little or no effort spent on bettering the present system without much new construction. It'd run along the LIRR to 63rd St tunnel like Broadway Lion has in his map. The only problem is Winfield Jct Lots of problems. Winfield Jct is one. Getting these two outside tracks across Woodside and under Sunnyside Yard is another. Waiting for SAS to run far enough south to make it worthwhile is another. For all this money, I think one has to ask: is it worth it compared to other projects? |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Sat Mar 8 12:40:39 2008, in response to Re: Re-Open LIRR 'White Pot Junction, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Mar 8 12:37:24 2008. The issue is also providing Rockaways with a faster service. A QB local isn't gonna do jack |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Mar 8 12:42:26 2008, in response to Re: Re-Open LIRR 'White Pot Junction, posted by trainsarefun on Sat Mar 8 10:21:58 2008. Easy. 18 TPH out of Continental (9 R, 9 G), 9 V's to the Rockaways. That's 27 TPH, still 3 fewer trains per hour than the express tracks carry. My issues are that the local which gets diverted down the Rockaway line will act as a conduit for thousands more riders to be dumped onto the Queens Blvd express routes, which cannot handle it. I offer a different alternative: restore service on the abandoned ROW, but do NOT connect it to the Rockaways. Terminate the trains in Ozone Park. |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Sat Mar 8 12:46:33 2008, in response to Re: Thus Spake the LION: Re: Re-Open LIRR 'White Pot Junction, posted by trainsarefun on Sat Mar 8 12:39:52 2008. Well SAS is [hopefully] happening anyway, so the money for that can be ignored. Yes, Winfield Jct/Woodside is an issue. Not sure how to solve that one. Still, Queens Super Express was part of the second system IINM. This is something they've been wanting to do. All I'm saying is that a Queens Super Express is the only way a subway option is gonna work, and that it would not be spending a lot of money for little gain. The super express can be used for other future eastward extensions as well, plus an LIE subway line that was also proposed a while back if need be. |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Sat Mar 8 12:46:46 2008, in response to Re: Thus Spake the LION: Re: Re-Open LIRR 'White Pot Junction, posted by NIMBYkiller on Sat Mar 8 12:27:22 2008. Well, the Queens super express could be used in the future should the subway expand further eastOne thing has nothing necessary to do with the other. You can, e.g., extend the Hillside Av Line right now without a 'super express'. They're talking about a 'super express' because they want to run more than 30 tph on the Queens Blvd Line's express tracks, which doesn't work. But you can extend the Hillside Av Line, no problem other than paying for it - it's already extending out further than 179th St. You can run 17 peak tph, which is the same that presently run, I think. If you extended local service to terminate further out at some more efficient terminal, you could extend up to 45 tph eastward along Hillside Av, although I think that a new yard facility would be required too. |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Sat Mar 8 12:47:54 2008, in response to Re: Re-Open LIRR 'White Pot Junction, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Mar 8 12:42:26 2008. Then you've got an even more limited ridership base. Yes, it'd make sending the local that way a little more acceptable, but you forget that Rockaway riders might still go ahead and transfer |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Sat Mar 8 12:51:14 2008, in response to Re: Thus Spake the LION: Re: Re-Open LIRR 'White Pot Junction, posted by FarRock on Sat Mar 8 12:30:03 2008. I dont see why you cant have the route run with the (F). via 63rd to the SAS. It wouldn't effect the (E) that much if the schedule is modified right. Then you can explain to me how you would run more than 30 tph on the express tracks and why that's not being done already. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Mar 8 12:55:28 2008, in response to Re: Re-Open LIRR 'White Pot Junction, posted by NIMBYkiller on Sat Mar 8 12:47:54 2008. Rockaway riders would not get to make the x-fer. Terminating service at the old Ozone Park station means the line will end blocks short of the junction with the Liberty Ave. el, thus dividing the said ridership bases. Most people who would be served by this route (especially on the north side of the Montauk LIRR ROW) already use the Queens Blvd lines via bus routes to Woodhaven and 63rd Drives. Ever ride the Q11 during the rush hour? |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Sat Mar 8 12:59:06 2008, in response to Re: Re-Open LIRR 'White Pot Junction, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Mar 8 12:42:26 2008. No, that's not the problem. I granted that we can run even 30 tph on the local tracks, arguendo. The problem is that the G route extension is just going to further exacerbate the express trains' crowding - at least some people stay put on the V train, even given the change to change trains - they won't do that on the G trains - coupled with the E train getting whacked badly by being the sole 53rd St service. 15 tph just isn't to cut it on 53rd St, no way. |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Sat Mar 8 13:00:48 2008, in response to Re: Re-Open LIRR 'White Pot Junction, posted by trainsarefun on Sat Mar 8 12:59:06 2008. hold on - maybe I misunderstood.You're saying just have V trains run per usual west of Roosevelt Av? I suppose that's workable. You still have the exacerbated pressure put on the E/F, though. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Mar 8 13:03:17 2008, in response to Re: Re-Open LIRR 'White Pot Junction, posted by trainsarefun on Sat Mar 8 12:59:06 2008. Service wouldn't chance outside the V diverging from the IND near 63rd Drive. It would still service 53rd St. I just cringe when I think of the masses of new V riders coming from the new route pouring onto the Roosevelt Ave. platform to x-fer to E and F trains. They will, no matter how little time savings you end up with by x-ferring here. Perhaps my idea about having E trains skipping Roosevelt during rush hours may work for this issue as well. |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Sat Mar 8 13:07:39 2008, in response to Re: Re-Open LIRR 'White Pot Junction, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Mar 8 12:55:28 2008. Okay, now I see what you're saying. That'd make it acceptable to send a local down the line. Still, cutting the line at Ozone Park is like shoving the middle finger right in the face of the Rockaways....still, it'd be the only acceptable temporary solution until the MTA can make space for another QB express or the super express |
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Re: Thus Spake the LION: Re: Re-Open LIRR 'White Pot Junction |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Sat Mar 8 13:10:07 2008, in response to Re: Thus Spake the LION: Re: Re-Open LIRR 'White Pot Junction, posted by trainsarefun on Sat Mar 8 12:46:46 2008. Well, I'm saying Hillside extension would be even more reason for a super express, but yes, you can do it without it, and I personally think they should do it without waiting. But yes, eventually, they'll probably need the super express b/c as we all agree, the QB expresses are packed to the gills |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Mar 8 13:10:29 2008, in response to Re: Re-Open LIRR 'White Pot Junction, posted by NIMBYkiller on Sat Mar 8 13:07:39 2008. The Rockaways are served just fine by the current configuration. It's a distant part of the city, they need to accept that the commute will be a bit longer than normal. |
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Posted by Lord Vader on Sat Mar 8 13:11:13 2008, in response to Re: Re-Open LIRR 'White Pot Junction, posted by SMAZ on Sat Mar 8 00:47:58 2008. V would be better. R train has a long enough route as is. V trains can now have a decent run from 2 Ave to Rock Park on it's current schedule. G train can cover route nights and weekends. E and F train via QB local nights. R train remains as is.Vader |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Sat Mar 8 13:13:21 2008, in response to Re: Re-Open LIRR 'White Pot Junction, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Mar 8 13:10:29 2008. Agreed, but still, it's kinda rediculous that the trip from Hempstead is shorter than from the Rockaways |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Mar 8 13:18:17 2008, in response to Re: Re-Open LIRR 'White Pot Junction, posted by NIMBYkiller on Sat Mar 8 13:07:39 2008. Personally, I don't think any subway line extended should be terminated at Ozone Park. There are four tracks on the ROW, the two middle ones could come on the line from Ozone Park, down the middle and terminate at Howard Beach. That would make another alternative for people trying to get to the airport, and Howard Beach makes much more sense for a terminal than Ozone Park. People from the Rockaways could transfer at Howard Beach for express service via the old Rockaway Line. |
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