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Re: Re-Open LIRR 'White Pot Junction |
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Posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Wed Oct 5 09:16:50 2011, in response to Re: Re-Open LIRR 'White Pot Junction, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Oct 5 08:36:51 2011. Forgive me if I sound like I am talking to myselfLOL :-D Forest on the M has come of age and is now a MIDTOWN line so that argument is out the window that I made in 2008. Now the M would go to the same place an extended Rockaway line route would, just from the opposite direction. This is a toughy now. I would have to think about this one. Well, then I should add up the 2010 version of those numbers. I think Atlantic Ave would be busier than 104th, but not by much. Okay, I'll use the number for 111th for that one. Well, I still don't know Whitlock that well. And it was closed for much of 2010, so I'll pick another comparison, although I think this one is a bit of an overestimate: 121st Street on the (J)(Z). The street pattern is a bit cut up by railroads, there is a good mix of housing types, but the Queens IND Express is rather too close. So here goes: 66th Avenue - Fleet Street 663,832 Metropolitan Avenue 1,124,754 Myrtle Avenue 398,834 Jamaica Avenue 760,419 Atlantic Avenue 781,872 101st Avenue 760,419 Liberty Avenue - Rockaway Blvd 1,045,413 TOTAL 5,535,543 Interestingly, it's quite a bit more: all the stations I've used as comparisons are doing relatively well. But it still only lifts it to being two-and-a-half Crosstown stations in Greenpoint, rather than two. So I still don't think these are the sorts of numbers where full-length trains and through service to Manhattan are particularly realistic. |
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Re: Re-Open LIRR 'White Pot Junction |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Oct 5 10:14:06 2011, in response to Re: Re-Open LIRR 'White Pot Junction, posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Wed Oct 5 09:16:50 2011. Well, then I should add up the 2010 version of those numbers.The 2010 ones aren't yet accurate for the new M train, as the first half of the year it still went through to Nassau St. It began to change the end of June, but then July and August is summer and many people off and school out. Sept, Oct are normal, but then as you get to the end of November and December a lot of people go away. So we only have two or three months of pure data for the new M train in 2010. |
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Re: Re-Open LIRR 'White Pot Junction |
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Posted by murray1575 on Wed Oct 5 14:30:58 2011, in response to Re: Re-Open LIRR 'White Pot Junction, posted by trainsarefun on Sat Mar 8 13:49:56 2008. It also costs A LOT more; over double the price. A 30 day unlimited Metrocard costs $104; a zone 1-4 monthly costs $223. Even a zone 1-3 monthly which covers the Queens stations costs $193. On top of that most LIRR riders would still have to buy a Metrocard since they would have to get to work from NYP or Atlantic Terminal and they are not within walking distance of many work locations (including mine) although ESA will improve that situation (by then I will most likely be retired). |
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Re: Thus Spake the LION: Re: Re-Open LIRR 'White Pot Junction |
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Posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Thu Oct 6 23:21:18 2011, in response to Re: Thus Spake the LION: Re: Re-Open LIRR 'White Pot Junction, posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Mar 8 11:56:48 2008. Yes the beese have to find a new home. But looking way down the road - if the LIRR Atlantic Branch can be ceded to NYCT as a subway line then you have some interesting options such as reopening Woodhaven station and reconnecting the Atlantic branch to the Rockaway branch with a transfer option. The line would have to dive beneath the apartment block at Union Turnpike, but you could build a deep-level station in there. Stations at Parkville (Metropolitan Avenue), Brooklyn Manor (Jamaica Avenue with a transfer to the "J" at 102nd-104th Street (re-open the missing east exit there), Woodhaven (Atlantic Avenue) and Ozone Park (101st Avenue). Terminal? Howard Beach-JFK. Open up the ROW south of the station for layups and turnarounds. Then you have Airport service coming from multiple directions. Now, if they could only find a way to reconfigure the incorrectly-engineered-and-built AirTrain to accept standard length trains....wayne |
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Re: Re-Opening LIRR 'White Pot Junction |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Fri Oct 7 02:29:14 2011, in response to Re: Thus Spake the LION: Re: Re-Open LIRR 'White Pot Junction, posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Thu Oct 6 23:21:18 2011. With the Casino opening at Aqueduct, if you are going to have such a line run to Howard Beach, such line also would need to have a station at Aqueduct racetrack (obviously with a transfer to the A there). |
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