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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Mar 9 16:12:20 2008, in response to Re: Re-Open LIRR 'White Pot Junction, posted by SMAZ on Sun Mar 9 15:57:39 2008. Yup. This is my thinking.LION says: BWAY EXP = 63rd Street Tunnel to Manhattan Bridge BWAY LCL = 60th Street Tunnel to Montague Tunnel. ERGO: (Q) = 125th Street to Coney Island via Brighton all times. (N) = 125th Street to Coney Island via Sea Beach day times. (R) = Continental to Ft. Hamilton via 4th Avenue all times. (W) = Astoria to City Hall / Whitehall / 9th Avenue at all times. ROARING!!! |
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Posted by SMAZ on Sun Mar 9 16:26:52 2008, in response to Re: Re-Open LIRR 'White Pot Junction, posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Mar 9 12:55:30 2008. Even Sunnyside is a mystery to me.Sunnyside Station can be to Queens what Flatbush Terminal is to Brooklyn but with the added benefit of trains continuing to NYP. If done right it could become one big transfer facility between LIRR, NJT and MNRR passengers. With good underground transfers to Queens Plaza services it could become a true gem. I would personally even run more frequent Lower Montauk trains via Montauk Cutoff that would terminate at the northern edge of the proposed station where transfers to QP would be easiest. That would sure beat LIC as a useful terminal for that branch. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Sun Mar 9 16:30:09 2008, in response to Re: Re-Open LIRR 'White Pot Junction, posted by NIMBYkiller on Sun Mar 9 13:40:06 2008. just like the idea of another Airtrain connection. Hey, if LIRR is gonna be there, why not?If one wanted to connect AirTrain to the LIRR it would be far easier to do it from the Jamaica branch via a ramp from the Van Wyck straight unto the Main Line just west of Jamaica Station. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Mar 9 16:34:23 2008, in response to Re: Re-Open LIRR 'White Pot Junction, posted by FarRock on Sun Mar 9 12:59:43 2008. If the LIRR went to Howard Beach, it would use the middle tracks, not mingling at all with the NYCT operations. However, now with Airtrain connecting to Jamaica, the need for an LIRR line to Howard BEach is all but useless. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sun Mar 9 16:43:56 2008, in response to Re: Re-Open LIRR 'White Pot Junction, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Mar 9 16:34:23 2008. If you ran LIRR into Ozone Park, it wouldn't be about the airport. zIt would be about giving Ozone Park more rail service than it has now. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Sun Mar 9 17:06:23 2008, in response to Re: Re-Open LIRR 'White Pot Junction, posted by Train Dude on Sat Mar 8 03:49:54 2008. Gee, I guess they shouldn't have filled in the cuts, then.what cuts did they fill in? |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Sun Mar 9 17:06:24 2008, in response to Re: Re-Open LIRR 'White Pot Junction, posted by SMAZ on Sun Mar 9 16:10:26 2008. Eh, still. Seems silly to clog the NYC Subway system with 3 car trains meant strictly for airport passengers |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Sun Mar 9 17:07:15 2008, in response to Re: Re-Open LIRR 'White Pot Junction, posted by SMAZ on Sun Mar 9 16:26:52 2008. You and the Montauk Cutoff..... |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sun Mar 9 17:09:28 2008, in response to Re: Re-Open LIRR 'White Pot Junction, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Mar 8 19:34:23 2008. But the stations at the airport are shorter than railroad standard. |
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Posted by R30A on Sun Mar 9 17:11:18 2008, in response to Re: Re-Open LIRR 'White Pot Junction, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Mar 8 23:06:36 2008. Send freight down the mainline. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Mar 9 17:13:41 2008, in response to Re: Re-Open LIRR 'White Pot Junction, posted by NIMBYkiller on Sat Mar 8 20:09:46 2008. The stations would obviously have to be altered if it was done. There's no plan to even have it done, nor is there a reason (at this time) to do so. However, the structure itself is built to railroad/subway clearances and standards. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Mar 9 17:15:49 2008, in response to Re: Re-Open LIRR 'White Pot Junction, posted by R30A on Sun Mar 9 17:11:18 2008. The mainline doesn't connect to the Interchange hard at Fresh Pond, nor the Bushwick Branch, nor the NY Connecting RR, nor the Bay Ridge line. Nor does the mainline have the capacity to have frieght clogging it up even if it did connect to any of those entities. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Mar 9 17:15:59 2008, in response to Re: Re-Open LIRR 'White Pot Junction, posted by R30A on Sun Mar 9 17:11:18 2008. The mainline doesn't connect to the Interchange yard at Fresh Pond, nor the Bushwick Branch, nor the NY Connecting RR, nor the Bay Ridge line. Nor does the mainline have the capacity to have frieght clogging it up even if it did connect to any of those entities. |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Sun Mar 9 17:17:59 2008, in response to Re: Re-Open LIRR 'White Pot Junction, posted by SMAZ on Sun Mar 9 16:26:52 2008. Sunnyside Station can be to Queens what Flatbush Terminal is to Brooklyn but with the added benefit of trains continuing to NYP. If done right it could become one big transfer facility between LIRR, NJT and MNRR passengers. With good underground transfers to Queens Plaza services it could become a true gem.Kinda like....NYP? Sunnyside will be mildly useful, but let's not exaggerate its importance in the grand scheme of things. |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Sun Mar 9 17:21:04 2008, in response to Re: Re-Open LIRR 'White Pot Junction, posted by RonInBayside on Sun Mar 9 16:43:56 2008. If you ran LIRR into Ozone Park, it wouldn't be about the airport. zIt would be about giving Ozone Park more rail service than it has now.I don't think that he proposed running LIRR into Ozone Park.... |
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Posted by SMAZ on Sun Mar 9 17:22:31 2008, in response to Re: Re-Open LIRR 'White Pot Junction, posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Mar 9 16:12:20 2008. IAWTP except that I would also build a cut from the BMT Court St station to the IND Hoyt-Schermerhorn unused outer-tracks and make the (W) the Fulton local to Euclid. This would also give it real yard access. This would do from the Fulton trunk what the 1950s 11st Cut in LIC did for the QB trunk. By staying on the express tracks, the (C) could:1. Become the Lefferts service. 2. Connect to the Crosstown giving that trunk two services with one going into Manhattan. 3. Branch off to the south at Utica Av |
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Posted by SMAZ on Sun Mar 9 17:28:10 2008, in response to Re: Re-Open LIRR 'White Pot Junction, posted by NIMBYkiller on Sun Mar 9 17:06:24 2008. Eh, still. Seems silly to clog the NYC Subway system with 3 car trains meant strictly for airport passengersThey wouldn't be clogging the NYCT system at all. These are the same trains that now go from Washington Heights to Rockaway Park. Nothing would change for the system other then running them 24/7. |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Sun Mar 9 17:35:05 2008, in response to Re: Re-Open LIRR 'White Pot Junction, posted by SMAZ on Sun Mar 9 17:28:10 2008. These are the same trains that now go from Washington Heights to Rockaway Park.NYCT only runs, what, 6 of those trains on weekdays, and they're 600' long? |
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Posted by SMAZ on Sun Mar 9 17:36:34 2008, in response to Re: Re-Open LIRR 'White Pot Junction, posted by trainsarefun on Sun Mar 9 17:17:59 2008. Kinda like....NYP?Kinda except that NYP doesn't have easy transfers to 6th Av and Bway lines. It would be like Flatbush which gives LIRR riders transfers to East Side IRT and Nassau St service. Also transfers between the different regional commuter trains at Sunnyside would presumably be easier then the maze that is NYP. The LIC Business District is also becoming a destination in its own right and Sunnyside Station's proposed location beats HPA's. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sun Mar 9 17:46:16 2008, in response to Re: Re-Open LIRR 'White Pot Junction, posted by trainsarefun on Sun Mar 9 17:21:04 2008. OK, I stand corrected. |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Sun Mar 9 17:47:17 2008, in response to Re: Re-Open LIRR 'White Pot Junction, posted by SMAZ on Sun Mar 9 17:36:34 2008. Kinda except that NYP doesn't have easy transfers to 6th Av and Bway lines.There used to be an open passageway, but there isn't now, under 33rd St between 7th Av and Broadway/6th Av. The walk from NYP is short, shorter, no doubt, than the walk from Sunnyside station to Queens Plaza to pick up V trains, and one can also pick up B/D/F/N/Q/R/V/W NYCT trains, plus PATH trains to JSQ and HOB. Also transfers between the different regional commuter trains at Sunnyside would presumably be easier then the maze that is NYP. What maze? You walk east, one block, from NYP. The LIC Business District is also becoming a destination in its own right Perhaps. What's hot now - or at least what used to be hot - were new condos. and Sunnyside Station's proposed location beats HPA's. For most purposes, I think that's right, but I doubt that most LIRR trains will even have a chance to platform at Sunnyside. |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Sun Mar 9 17:48:54 2008, in response to Re-Open LIRR 'White Pot Junction, posted by NEPONSIT2006 on Fri Mar 7 18:00:11 2008. A good idea, which I'll give the crdit to another poster on here (I can't find his post to respond specifically- sorry) was to run the LIRR to the centter tracks at Howard Beach and allow a paid trasfer to NYCT there. Benefits?1) Makes use of the Rockaway Line infrastructure up to that point, a benefit in and of itself; 2) Provides another option for residents of Central Queens; 3) Also allows Rockway Residents, for a premium fare to have the OPTION of a faster or a cheaper, but slower trip to Manhattan. 3a) Perhaps folks boarding @ Howard Beach could get credit for any fare they paid on the Rockaway Peninsula- i.e., a joint tariff. 4) Makes the trip to JFK even easier to and from Midtown. |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Sun Mar 9 17:50:29 2008, in response to Re: Re-Open LIRR 'White Pot Junction, posted by RonInBayside on Sat Mar 8 20:26:50 2008. I agree. |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Sun Mar 9 17:51:31 2008, in response to Re: Re-Open LIRR 'White Pot Junction, posted by RonInBayside on Sun Mar 9 17:46:16 2008. Well, I thought you might possibly be thinking that if LIRR ran service to Howard Beach, NYCT could divert some trains currently destined for Far Rockaway to Ozone Park, but that represents a service cut to the Rockaways. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sun Mar 9 17:52:07 2008, in response to Re: Re-Open LIRR 'White Pot Junction, posted by trainsarefun on Sun Mar 9 17:51:31 2008. No, I was not thinking that. |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Sun Mar 9 17:56:43 2008, in response to Re: Re-Open LIRR 'White Pot Junction, posted by SMAZ on Sun Mar 9 17:28:10 2008. But having anything more than 3 cars running through airtrain is overkill because the anything more than that can't fit in the stations |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Sun Mar 9 17:58:46 2008, in response to Re: Re-Open LIRR 'White Pot Junction, posted by trainsarefun on Sun Mar 9 17:47:17 2008. Transfering between LIRR and NJT will clearly be easier at Sunnyside than NYP. |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Sun Mar 9 18:00:57 2008, in response to Re: Re-Open LIRR 'White Pot Junction, posted by R30A on Sun Mar 9 17:11:18 2008. Take another look at the maps my friend. Main line isn't an option even if there were connecting switches directly from the NYCR to the main. The CSX trains need to be split up for the different branches on the island. Only fresh pond has the space and capacity for something that time consuming |
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LIRR/Airtrain Solution Re: Re-Open LIRR 'White Pot Junction |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Sun Mar 9 18:10:00 2008, in response to Re-Open LIRR 'White Pot Junction, posted by NEPONSIT2006 on Fri Mar 7 18:00:11 2008. OK, so as I see it, using the old Rockaway branch for NYCT service would be prohibitively costly to the state, and using it for LIRR service would be prohibitively costly for Rockaways riders.So I will instead propose the following two pronged solution: LIRR runs a Howard Beach Branch route making all stops HPA-HB. Airtrain service runs along the ROW 'express' from Howard Beach to Woodside, then on to LGA. If NYCT ever gets around to building the 'super express' and all of that, the LIRR Branch is a placeholder, but more than that, it offers a service option for many neighborhoods, while also connecting JFK and LGA airports. If 'super express' never happens, well then at least something gets done on a short enough timescale that some of us might actually see it during our lifetimes. |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Sun Mar 9 18:15:44 2008, in response to Re: Re-Open LIRR 'White Pot Junction, posted by NIMBYkiller on Sun Mar 9 17:58:46 2008. Transfering between LIRR and NJT will clearly be easier at Sunnyside than NYP.Not all NJT trains start out from Sunnyside. Secondly, the yard leads may not line up to platform there on most track assignments, as I recall. And thirdly, NJT has no plans that I have seen to make a station-stop east of NYP. |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Sun Mar 9 18:17:32 2008, in response to Re: Re-Open LIRR 'White Pot Junction, posted by trainsarefun on Sun Mar 9 18:15:44 2008. And the main reply - how could I forget?What is so hard about changing from an LIRR train to an NJT train at NYP that you think it would actually be easier at Sunnyside? |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Sun Mar 9 18:45:25 2008, in response to Re: Re-Open LIRR 'White Pot Junction, posted by trainsarefun on Sun Mar 9 18:17:32 2008. The fact that NJT and LIRR are in totally different sections. Am I saying that it's horribly difficult to transfer at NYP? No, but it'd be a hell of a lot easier to transfer at Sunnyside. Also, I know NJT isn't planning to serve Sunnyside, but I'm saying, it WOULD BE easier to switch at Sunnyside |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Mar 9 18:50:32 2008, in response to Re: Re-Open LIRR 'White Pot Junction, posted by NIMBYkiller on Sun Mar 9 18:45:25 2008. The biggest problem with the idea is that only certain trains will connect at Sunnyside. it's easier and more flexible at Penn because every train connects there. You can't have every possible route connecting with every other possible route at "Sunnyside". |
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Posted by Andrew Saucci on Sun Mar 9 19:36:36 2008, in response to Re: Re-Open LIRR 'White Pot Junction, posted by Doctor B on Sun Mar 9 09:12:44 2008. "Nothing will ever happen regarding the Rockaway Line as long as Barbara Stuchinski of Forest Hills Civic is still active. She has a big mouth and politicians fear her."It sounds as though some other civic leaders and their politicians in the Rockaways are starting to find their mouths too. Nothing is set in stone. And if it involves state money, it probably all comes down to the Big Three in Albany anyway-- right now, Spitzer, Silver, and Bruno. If they all agree, it gets done. If not, forget about it, no matter who says or shouts what. |
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Posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Sun Mar 9 19:44:29 2008, in response to LIRR/Airtrain Solution Re: Re-Open LIRR 'White Pot Junction, posted by trainsarefun on Sun Mar 9 18:10:00 2008. Honestly, after reading this thread and the one about the Queens Super Express ("Sander Speech Highlights"), I think the MTA should build Super Express first. That way, they can have two extra tracks to relieve congestion on the E and F trains. Then they can look into introducing a new service from the Rockaways into the Queens Blvd line's mix. Because between the NIMBYs and the fact that the Rockaway service provisions connect to the QB local tracks at Rego Park (which wouldn't do anything to relieve the E or F nor would it necessarily give Rockaway riders a faster route to Manhattan) it just seems to make more sense to do Super Express first. Sending the R or the V down the old Rockaway line, without doing Super Express will completely overwhelm the E and F trains. |
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Posted by FarRock on Sun Mar 9 19:47:29 2008, in response to Re: Re-Open LIRR 'White Pot Junction, posted by SMAZ on Sun Mar 9 16:10:26 2008. What will equipment will this use? Are we talking about an NYCT takeover of the PA's Airtrain? |
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Posted by FarRock on Sun Mar 9 19:54:37 2008, in response to Re: Re-Open LIRR 'White Pot Junction, posted by SMAZ on Sun Mar 9 16:30:09 2008. Now that I can see happening. It would make more sense to have the Airtrain run to Midtown via LIRR tracks than NYCT. LIRR and Airtrain are both railroads and different railroads are known to share the same tracks. |
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Posted by FarRock on Sun Mar 9 19:58:12 2008, in response to Re: Re-Open LIRR 'White Pot Junction, posted by trainsarefun on Sun Mar 9 17:35:05 2008. Half of the time those trains are useless. A lot of people stick with the usual transfer at Broad Channel method. |
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Re: LIRR/Airtrain Solution Re: Re-Open LIRR 'White Pot Junction |
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Posted by FarRock on Sun Mar 9 20:03:42 2008, in response to LIRR/Airtrain Solution Re: Re-Open LIRR 'White Pot Junction, posted by trainsarefun on Sun Mar 9 18:10:00 2008. Can you explain how the LIRR would get to the center tracks from the ROW. Would a costly ramp be built. You better off saving money, keepin NYCT and have trains run right through the tracks. Leave the express tracks alone.Maybe if the NYCT gets the ROW an express route can be created but the question is, would they let it bypass JFK since it is a vital station? |
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Re: Thus Spake the LION: Re: Re-Open LIRR 'White Pot Junction |
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Posted by Edwards! on Sun Mar 9 20:04:46 2008, in response to Re: Thus Spake the LION: Re: Re-Open LIRR 'White Pot Junction, posted by trainsarefun on Sat Mar 8 12:39:52 2008. One thing that make always gets my green eggs and ham is how you guys make something out of a non issue.The Super Express should be built..and a few other lines also in Queens.. The ONLY ISSUE HERE is Can the MTA come up with the FUNDING to get the JOB DONE. The MTA..period. Not the LIRR..or NYCT.. If the MTA WANTS the new line..there isn't crap the LIRR can do about it now[notice I said NOW as it is NOT THE 70'S anymore..where they can block TA projects].. Let it go. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Sun Mar 9 20:08:36 2008, in response to Re: Thus Spake the LION: Re: Re-Open LIRR 'White Pot Junction, posted by NIMBYkiller on Sat Mar 8 12:11:09 2008. Glad you came to that conclusion.Nobody wants that..and wouldn't that be somewhat silly..as it was the SUBWAY that "REPLACED" the LIRR on the Jamaica Bay branch of the Rockaway Division. |
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Re: LIRR/Airtrain Solution Re: Re-Open LIRR 'White Pot Junction |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Sun Mar 9 20:48:13 2008, in response to Re: LIRR/Airtrain Solution Re: Re-Open LIRR 'White Pot Junction, posted by FarRock on Sun Mar 9 20:03:42 2008. It would be a somewhat complex interlocking, at all events. There's the two tracks turning out toward Rockaway Av, and then there's Rockaway Branch which continues 'straight ahead'. One would probably want to re-configure the tracks anyway, under any scenario. So I would advocate doing the work for LIRR as preparation for future NYCT use, if you want to look at it that way. Plus, there's Airtrain. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Sun Mar 9 20:53:06 2008, in response to Re: Re-Open LIRR 'White Pot Junction, posted by NIMBYkiller on Sun Mar 9 17:56:43 2008. But having anything more than 3 cars running through airtrain is overkill because the anything more than that can't fit in the stationsThat's correct. However since for most of the day the (A) doesn't even run to Rock Park anyway, even a three-car train running 24/7 at the same TPH of the current Rock Park service would be a boost in frequency on the 8th Av/Fulton (because it would be running 24/7) with the added benefit of a one-seat ride into the JFK terminals from some of Manhattan and Brooklyn's most important locations. |
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Re: LIRR/Airtrain Solution Re: Re-Open LIRR 'White Pot Junction |
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Posted by SMAZ on Sun Mar 9 21:06:10 2008, in response to LIRR/Airtrain Solution Re: Re-Open LIRR 'White Pot Junction, posted by trainsarefun on Sun Mar 9 18:10:00 2008. LIRR runs a Howard Beach Branch route making all stops HPA-HB. Airtrain service runs along the ROW 'express' from Howard Beach to Woodside, then on to LGA.A JFK-LGA link could probably be built far more cheaply by extending the current Jamaica branch over the Van Wyck to the GCP and into LGA with perhaps a stop at Willets Point. Rebuilding the current Old Rock for the limited service that you propose would outrage NIMBYs even more then a real subway service which would very likely be very popular for those living at least a couple of blocks away from the abandoned ROW. Your limited LIRR plan wouldn't get any support from those people. Just opposition from NIMBYs. The subway plan to Rock Park would also get support from residents there who would finally get a real 24/7 service to Manhattan. |
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Re: LIRR/Airtrain Solution Re: Re-Open LIRR 'White Pot Junction |
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Posted by FarRock on Sun Mar 9 21:06:14 2008, in response to Re: LIRR/Airtrain Solution Re: Re-Open LIRR 'White Pot Junction, posted by trainsarefun on Sun Mar 9 20:48:13 2008. It wont be as complex as the interlocking east of Myrtle Av with the (J) (M) (Z) as long as its NYCT. Like I said before, as long as the schedule is set up right trains wont be delayed.Theres no way Airtrain or LIRR would work on the ROW. You want a direct link between Midtown and JFK? Have the Airtrain run via the LIRR mainline at Jamaica. You want a direct link between BK and JFK? Have the Airtrain run via the LIRR Flatbush Line at Jamaica. Thats the only reasonable way it can happen and besides that, doesnt the NYCT already own that ROW? I see work done on it before. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Sun Mar 9 21:14:53 2008, in response to Re: Re-Open LIRR 'White Pot Junction, posted by FarRock on Sun Mar 9 19:47:29 2008. What will equipment will this use?The same equipment as the (A). Are we talking about an NYCT takeover of the PA's Airtrain? Yes |
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Posted by FarRock on Sun Mar 9 21:16:18 2008, in response to Re: Re-Open LIRR 'White Pot Junction, posted by SMAZ on Sun Mar 9 21:14:53 2008. Which would mean platform extenstions, unless your talkin bout 2 car R44s. It still seems like a fantasy though. |
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Re: Re-Open LIRR 'White Pot Junction |
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Posted by SMAZ on Sun Mar 9 21:23:34 2008, in response to Re: Re-Open LIRR 'White Pot Junction, posted by FarRock on Sun Mar 9 19:54:37 2008. Now that I can see happening. It would make more sense to have the Airtrain run to Midtown via LIRR tracks than NYCTIt probably would make more sense indeed as far as Midtown and LIC are concerned especially since you could also run them into GCT after ESA is done. You could also thru-run it west of NYP via NEC where it could connect to Newark AirTrain! That would be an awesome transit improvement for the whole metro area. However connecting it to the (A) would give it access to Lower Manhattan, the Brooklyn CBD, the PABT, Columbus Circle and the West Side as far north as Washington Heights. It would be a trade-off. Which idea do you think is better? |
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Posted by SMAZ on Sun Mar 9 21:29:43 2008, in response to Re: Thus Spake the LION: Re: Re-Open LIRR 'White Pot Junction, posted by trainsarefun on Sat Mar 8 12:39:52 2008. That's the problem: talk is cheap, but action costs a lot. Presently, I dismiss the talk as idle and premature speculationSander put out some good ideas and I think that he deserves credit for them. They were in fact meant to start a discussion and see if they garner any public support. Of course its just idle speculation at this point but if these ideas get wide support then the funding may come. For once its actual MTA officials putting out some ideas instead of just SubChatters and Strappies. |
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Posted by FarRock on Sun Mar 9 21:34:01 2008, in response to Re: Re-Open LIRR 'White Pot Junction, posted by SMAZ on Sun Mar 9 21:23:34 2008. They say never say never, but Airtrain will NEVER make it to NYCT property unless the NYCT takes over it and uses their own equipment. |
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