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Re: Thus Spake the LION: Re: Re-Open LIRR 'White Pot Junction |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Sat Mar 8 12:02:46 2008, in response to Thus Spake the LION: Re: Re-Open LIRR 'White Pot Junction, posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Mar 8 10:49:51 2008. Some problems:This would require exclusively Broadway local service to Astoria, something which I favor because this is how the tracks are set up. But how do you propose that these N trains get to the upper level of the 63rd St Tunnel? West of Winfield Jct between the LIRR Pt Washington branch and the Main Line, it's a 6-track ROW still, but all 6 tracks are presently used by LIRR. You can send the N trains on to the Queens Blvd Line's local tracks, bu they would be roughly capped at 10 tph, and there would be merges with R and V trains at 63rd Dr, with F trains at 36th St and 7th Av/63rd St, with Q trains at 7th Av/63rd St, and then the N route's usual merges in Brooklyn. You can build a new tunnel, but that's too costly to be done, assuming that even the connector could be done. But I like to think that I can maybe offer some possible solutions. So try this. Ridership on this new route can't be forecasted to be spectacularly high. All NYCT service from the Rockaways is replaced by LIRR service on the new Mott Av-HPA or Rockaway Wye routes. Some trains would operate over the Mott Av-FBA or Mott Av-ESA routes. Rockaway Wye: Short train goes from Rockaway Park to Mott Av. Mott Av: From the terminal to either HPA via the Main Line or to FBA via the Atlantic Line. Change at Woodside for ESA and NYP trains, for the Flushing Line, and for LGA Airtrain; change at Sunnyside for NYP trains or a walk to Queensboro/Queens Plazas. NYCT trains on the Fulton St Line would run either to Euclid Av or Ozone Park. Why do I think that only the LIRR solution is really workable? Well, it keeps costs down. LIRR is by definition with compatible with LIRR whereas NYCT is not. other than restoring the Rockaway Branch, it doesn't involve a ton of new construction. It also offers the Rockaways a real tie-in to New York that's not now present. Rockaways are far enough out that commuter service is appropriate, I think. Otherwise, via the NYCT option, costs start to spiral (even more rapidly) out of control. The main obstacle to the plan is one shared by the NYCT option: NIMBYs. Funding the LIRR option would be cheaper than the NYCT option, but that only means it's relatively easier, not simple. Funding the NYCT option would be very difficult, I tend to think, given the new construction above and beyond the LIRR option required. |
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