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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sun May 6 10:22:41 2007, in response to Re: How NOT to handle an encounter with police (Re: ROBBED BY A COP— PROPERTY DESTROYED!), posted by SMAZ on Sun May 6 02:54:24 2007. Superiors would not do such a thing.The originator of the document is entitled to amplify his material at a later date, and at least in medicine, the date of that entry is also recorded and usually marked as a late entry. For personal notes, I doubt that the process is so formal. IIRC it is a loose leaf book that the officer keeps his notes in, and thus a whole page could be replaced. ROAR |
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Posted by JPC on Sun May 6 11:35:34 2007, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— PROPERTY DESTROYED!, posted by Broadway Lion on Sat May 5 23:44:41 2007. Heh, so what was the status of Ethan Allan and the Green Mountain Boys? They didn't fight for a flag, but were part of a locally organized militia.Hell, what flag did our Fathers fight under during the American Revolution? (And even if the regular army fought under a flag, what about the militias of the several states?) |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sun May 6 11:43:18 2007, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— PROPERTY DESTROYED!, posted by JPC on Sun May 6 11:35:34 2007. Was no Geneva Convention back then as I recall.Likely enough however, they would have been shot if they were caught. And damn well knew it too. ROAR |
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Posted by Dave on Sun May 6 12:41:36 2007, in response to Re: How NOT to handle an encounter with police (Re: ROBBED BY A COP— PROPERTY DESTROYED!), posted by tankertom on Sat May 5 23:21:14 2007. "Papieren, bitte!""Keine papieren." "Keine papieren? Politzie!!" |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Sun May 6 12:44:21 2007, in response to Re: How NOT to handle an encounter with police (Re: ROBBED BY A COP— PROPERTY DESTROYED!), posted by Broadway Lion on Sat May 5 18:44:36 2007. However, if you are indeed handcuffed, on whom will the burden be to prove in a lawsuit that there was no reasonable cause? |
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Posted by tankertom on Sun May 6 12:51:40 2007, in response to Re: How NOT to handle an encounter with police (Re: ROBBED BY A COP— PROPERTY DESTROYED!), posted by AMoreira81 on Sun May 6 12:44:21 2007. I know the answer to this! The arrest is considered unlawful until justification for it can be shown. Reasonable cause to believe would be justification; it is the person raising the argument of justification (reasonable cause) to prove it. Obviously, in Nilet's case his photography was entirely legal and there can be no "reason to believe" he was committing a crime. |
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Posted by BIE on Sun May 6 14:24:24 2007, in response to Re: How NOT to handle an encounter with police (Re: ROBBED BY A COP— PROPERTY DESTROYED!), posted by Broadway Lion on Sun May 6 10:22:41 2007. That is why it should be a serial numbered bound record book with numbered pages. |
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Posted by jimmymc25 on Sun May 6 14:36:19 2007, in response to Re: How NOT to handle an encounter with police (Re: ROBBED BY A COP— PROPERTY DESTROYED!), posted by Nilet on Sat May 5 13:56:40 2007. Very well put Nilet. Very well put.Jimmymc25 |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sun May 6 16:10:50 2007, in response to Re: How NOT to handle an encounter with police (Re: ROBBED BY A COP— PROPERTY DESTROYED!), posted by BIE on Sun May 6 14:24:24 2007. i Agree.ROAR (See... we *CAN* agree on some things!) ROAR |
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Posted by Nilet on Sun May 6 19:16:17 2007, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— PROPERTY DESTROYED!, posted by Broadway Lion on Sun May 6 10:13:30 2007. ...well, except for the ones that are US citizens held in prison for years without charges. Or the ones that were sold to the US by various Afghan militia groups because the US offered bounties and the Afghan militia groups really didn't care whether or not they sold out innocent people as long as they got the bounties.I strongly doubt that any international law would permit the torture and killing of anybody without trial, away from a battlefield. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sun May 6 20:58:27 2007, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— PROPERTY DESTROYED!, posted by Nilet on Sun May 6 19:16:17 2007. READ the Geneva Convention.Then let me know what you find there. |
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Posted by Nilet on Sun May 6 20:59:19 2007, in response to Re: Update of the Update (Re: Cop Incident), posted by Bob Andersen on Tue May 1 07:22:54 2007. OK, I tried to contact Mr. Munger at the email you gave me, but the message bounced. |
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Posted by LA Blue Line on Sun May 6 21:04:43 2007, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— PROPERTY DESTROYED!, posted by Broadway Lion on Sun May 6 20:58:27 2007. Is that an exercise or do you have a point? |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sun May 6 21:44:04 2007, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— PROPERTY DESTROYED!, posted by LA Blue Line on Sun May 6 21:04:43 2007. A. Prisoners of war, in the sense of the present Convention, are persons belonging to one of the following categories, who have fallen into the power of the enemy:1. Members of the armed forces of a Party to the conflict as well as members of militias or volunteer corps forming part of such armed forces. 2. Members of other militias and members of other volunteer corps, including those of organized resistance movements, belonging to a Party to the conflict and operating in or outside their own territory, even if this territory is occupied, provided that such militias or volunteer corps, including such organized resistance movements, fulfil the following conditions: (a) That of being commanded by a person responsible for his subordinates; (b) That of having a fixed distinctive sign recognizable at a distance; (c) That of carrying arms openly; (d) That of conducting their operations in accordance with the laws and customs of war. 3. Members of regular armed forces who profess allegiance to a government or an authority not recognized by the Detaining Power. Those who do not fall under the above categories, yet are combatants on the field of battle are not subject to the protections of the Convention. Spies, saboteurs, and others without uniform or open weapons are subject to being shot or otherwise treated outside of the provisions of said convention. |
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Posted by Nilet on Sun May 6 21:53:47 2007, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— PROPERTY DESTROYED!, posted by Broadway Lion on Sun May 6 21:44:04 2007. Suspected terrorists are not "combatants on the field of battle." A member of a terrorist organization who conspires to blow up a building is a criminal; a person suspected of such is a suspected criminal.Given what you posted, suspected terrorists would fall outside the Geneva conventions, but as suspected criminals, they would be protected by the 4th, 5th, 6th, and 8th Amendments, the right to habeas corpus, etc. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sun May 6 22:06:02 2007, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— PROPERTY DESTROYED!, posted by Nilet on Sun May 6 21:53:47 2007. A Suspected terrorist would possible fall to civilian jurisdiction if there was a civilian jurisdiction in the place where this occurred, and if not it would fall to Military Justice.Those in Gitmo, *were* captured on the field of battle, in combat, without legal cover as military as described above. (No uniforms, nor insignia, hidden weapons, etc.) Such are NOT covered under the convention, and may be shot or detained outside of the convention at the pleasure of the capturing power. In Baghdad such terrorists or suspected terrorists thus captured WOULD NOT be subject to all or any of those amendments, but would be subject to whatever laws were in effect in Iraq. If we turn said captives over to the Iraqis and they shoot them at daybreak, that is their tough shit. They *were* free not to make war or terror. ROAR |
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Posted by LA Blue Line on Sun May 6 22:13:18 2007, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— PROPERTY DESTROYED!, posted by Broadway Lion on Sun May 6 22:06:02 2007. What you posted said "one of the following." No. 1 doesn't require any of the stuff that you're listing now. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sun May 6 22:22:07 2007, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— PROPERTY DESTROYED!, posted by LA Blue Line on Sun May 6 22:13:18 2007. Correct.A uniformed member of a military is always treated as a POW. |
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Posted by LA Blue Line on Sun May 6 22:33:01 2007, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— PROPERTY DESTROYED!, posted by Broadway Lion on Sun May 6 22:22:07 2007. Okay I misread it.So the Geneva Convention does not technically apply. I am still of the opinion that we should follow those rules. |
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Posted by Nilet on Sun May 6 22:34:41 2007, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— PROPERTY DESTROYED!, posted by Broadway Lion on Sun May 6 22:06:02 2007.  Those in Gitmo, *were* captured on the field of battle, in combat, without legal cover as military as described above. Oh, really? Jose Padilla was imprisoned for months (years?) on no charges whatsoever, and he certainly wasn't captured "on the field of battle." A German civilian was captured and tortured before being released with no charges. The US courts refused to allow him to sue, and Germany issued arrest warrants for the CIA members involved in his kidnapping. The US offers bounties to militia groups in exchange for "terrorists" but doesn't check to make sure they really are terrorists. They *were* free not to make war or terror. We're not talking about terrorists. We're talking about people accused of being terrorists. Since everyone is innocent until proven guilty, we're talking about innocent people. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sun May 6 22:55:47 2007, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— PROPERTY DESTROYED!, posted by LA Blue Line on Sun May 6 22:33:01 2007. OK, I can agree to that.ROAR |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Sun May 6 23:52:35 2007, in response to Re: How NOT to handle an encounter with police (Re: ROBBED BY A COP— PROPERTY DESTROYED!), posted by American Pig on Sat May 5 20:05:29 2007. Agreed.Further, times for meter regulations in NYC never made sense. Correct me if I'm wrong, but in Borough Park and Midwood where there are Orthodox Jews and parking was free on Saturdays instead of Sundays, I believe with the elimination of Sunday meters, these neighborhoods now have two free days, but I could be wrong. Also, some meters have always been Monday through Friday only, and about five years ago, somewhere in Queens, I 'm not sure where, I saw meters that were free on Thursdays and Sundays. I wonder what that was about. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Sun May 6 23:55:54 2007, in response to Re: How NOT to handle an encounter with police (Re: ROBBED BY A COP— PROPERTY DESTROYED!), posted by BMTLines on Sat May 5 21:47:53 2007. Since the City Council used the excuse that people shouldn't have to pay a meter in order to go to church to get the regulations changed, I really don't understand why they included the municipal lots when they eliminated Sunday meters. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Mon May 7 00:05:46 2007, in response to Re: How NOT to handle an encounter with police (Re: ROBBED BY A COP— PROPERTY DESTROYED!), posted by AMoreira81 on Sat May 5 17:05:14 2007. I can see Queens Center charging by the hour because otherwise commuters would use it, but to me the $2 Kings Plaza flat fee is ridiculous, especially when you are going in only for a single item and because it is in an outlying area where mall parking is usually free. They should at least refund a portion or all of the parking if you can show a receipt that validates you bought something or spent a certain amount of money. (It was free for 15 years, but when they saw they could get a quarter without too many people balking, they quickly raised it to 50 cents, $1, and then $2. It's bound to go up again soon.) |
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Posted by BMTLines on Mon May 7 00:06:12 2007, in response to Re: How NOT to handle an encounter with police (Re: ROBBED BY A COP— PROPERTY DESTROYED!), posted by BrooklynBus on Sun May 6 23:55:54 2007. I never understood that either. IMO they should have just rolled back Sunday metering to where they existed the day before Bloomberg took office. That way the metered muni lots would have been left alone. |
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Posted by BMTLines on Mon May 7 00:08:27 2007, in response to Re: How NOT to handle an encounter with police (Re: ROBBED BY A COP— PROPERTY DESTROYED!), posted by BrooklynBus on Mon May 7 00:05:46 2007. Some places allow you to park for free if you make a purchase. The store will validate your ticket. |
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Posted by JPC on Mon May 7 00:36:36 2007, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— PROPERTY DESTROYED!, posted by Broadway Lion on Sun May 6 11:43:18 2007. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethan_AllenActually Ethan Allen (who, with Benedict Arnold led an unsanctioned raid against Fort Ticonderoga in 1775) was captured by the British. He was subjected to mistreatment in England, but after the conclusion of the war was released. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Mon May 7 00:48:28 2007, in response to Re: How NOT to handle an encounter with police (Re: ROBBED BY A COP— PROPERTY DESTROYED!), posted by BrooklynBus on Sun May 6 23:52:35 2007. They do have two free days. The city council should have passed a measure for meters to be not in effect one day a week. However, this was their idea...opposed by the mayor. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Mon May 7 04:02:48 2007, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— PROPERTY DESTROYED!, posted by Broadway Lion on Sun May 6 10:19:18 2007. They can be shot only after being given a hearing by a military judicial body (which also has to be IAW Geneva standards) to determine whether they are subversives or not. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Mon May 7 04:13:47 2007, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— PROPERTY DESTROYED!, posted by Broadway Lion on Sun May 6 20:58:27 2007. Contrary to popular belief they cannot be shot on sight according to the Fourth Geneva Conventions of 1949. The determination of illegal combabtant status must be made by an independent judicial body (usually within the military). Only then can they be shot. If a commander on the field arbitrarily executes an unarmed or neutralized individual before this determination is made it is that commander who has just committed a violation of the Law of War. I say this because they made sure to get these rules deep into our skulls when I was in the service. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Mon May 7 04:17:24 2007, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— PROPERTY DESTROYED!, posted by LA Blue Line on Sun May 6 22:33:01 2007. Regardless of what we may think, the Supreme Court of the United States ruled that they are covered by Geneva and any proceedings against them must comply with internationally recognized standards of justice. After these conditions are met and they are found guilty then we can shoot 'em. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Mon May 7 09:13:14 2007, in response to Re: How NOT to handle an encounter with police (Re: ROBBED BY A COP— PROPERTY DESTROYED!), posted by BMTLines on Mon May 7 00:08:27 2007. I know. More places should do that. |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Mon May 7 10:28:35 2007, in response to Re: How NOT to handle an encounter with police (Re: ROBBED BY A COP— PROPERTY DESTROYED!), posted by BrooklynBus on Mon May 7 00:05:46 2007. the $2 Kings Plaza flat fee is ridiculous, especially when you are going in only for a single item and because it is in an outlying area where mall parking is usually free.I never had a problem parking on-street near Kings Plaza. |
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Posted by railbus63 on Mon May 7 13:22:40 2007, in response to Re: How NOT to handle an encounter with police (Re: ROBBED BY A COP— PROPERTY DESTROYED!), posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat May 5 07:32:00 2007. We have those ticket dispensing machines here in Syracuse. They are great - you can put as much time as you want on the ticket, then put it on top of your dashboard and park in two or three different spaces if your destinations are farther apart that you'd perfer to walk. Much better than guessing how many coins to put in the meter and potentially leaving free time for someone else. |
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Posted by American Pig on Mon May 7 14:52:00 2007, in response to Re: How NOT to handle an encounter with police (Re: ROBBED BY A COP— PROPERTY DESTROYED!), posted by BrooklynBus on Sun May 6 23:52:35 2007. The free on Thursdays is because the other side of the street has alternate side on Thursday so this way people can park on the metered side for free when the other side is "being cleaned." I assume this is in those rare cases when parking is metered on only one side of the street. I saw this on Avenue N near Nostrand in Brooklyn, and I'm sure meters are on only one side there. |
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Posted by roscoman1986 on Mon May 7 14:56:45 2007, in response to ROBBED BY A COP— PROPERTY DESTROYED!, posted by Nilet on Sun Apr 29 20:42:32 2007. Wow, that is bad.It happens in other places too (this should be on BusChat, but since it is on the topic of police harrassment with respect to transit, I will take my chances). For example, in Phoenix, I wanted to go check out the Phoenix ElDorado Transmark buses since I had never been on them (i know they are pieces of crap and were retired in 2005, but I had been on about everything else that Valley Metro of Phoenix owned at the time, and they only operated in one section of town (Mesa, Arizona). I parked my car and walked over to the street where the bus line ran just east of downtown Mesa (which is a suburban downtown kinda like Riverside, California or a suburb of Los Angeles). This area was not that sketchy, but not "amazing" either. I was deciding whether to take the bus back around downtown (northbound) with the justification of making a "transfer" or riding it for a short time, or taking it southbound away from downtown and then taking another one back. I decided to take it "back into downtown" (this never happened, as you will see). Anyway, here's where the trouble started. All Valley Metro buses (like most transit systems) only accept exact change. So, as I was crossing the street over to the northbound bus stop, another apparent bus passenger (either for the route I was riding or for the other route that crossed the street here) asked for a quarter for the exact change for the bus. Since I had a pass at the time, and I don't like carrying that much loose change since there are no tolls in Arizona, I decided to give the guy a quarter to help him out with exact change. BAD THING TO DO IN MESA, ARIZONA, REALLY BAD. I immediately crossed the street to wait for the bus, only to be confronted by two squad cars, just for giving a guy 25 cents while crossing the street (LEGALLY, I might add). Later on, I was guessing that the cop car that was driving by thought I was doing a DRUG deal, even though I looked completely harmless and was not in any danger other than the cops. I was clean shaven and was not disheveled like most criminals would be, and all I was going to do was wait for the bus and take a ride on a HellDorado Transmark before they were retired. Turns out that had to wait, as I was put to the ground and HANDCUFFED for NO APPARENT REASON. I understand "suspicious activity" but as far as I know it is NOT a crime to give someone exact change for the bus, or even to cross the street or wait for a bus in a different (but not that bad) part of town (I was from another section of the city, but that did not show). So, right after I was at the bus stop waiting for the bus, I was put to the floor (not slammed to the floor, but I had to sit down) and they started asking me questions for no apparent reason. I have never been in trouble with the cops except for a minor altercation, and this was quite frightening and scared me away from busfanning for a VERY long time (since then, I do NOT go into Mesa even though there are WORSE areas in the Phoenix area). However, they then started looking in my pockets and looking at my cell phone (which judging by what these guys did, they thought it was a gun handle). As I was questioned for the "suspicious" activity of crossing the street, giving a guy a quarter (no drug dealer would try to do that in open day light) and waiting for a rare bus, which apparently is a major "crime" in the SUBURB (not even the inner city) of Mesa, Arizona. Not even the Phoenix police have bothered me like that. As I was waiting, the northbound bus passed me by, and that was done for. Finally, they let me go after about 5-10 minutes of random "searching" and "questioning" for no apparent reason, and I had to go to the south side of the street to catch the bus and get off at the next stop. I finally got my ride (first and last) on an ElDorado Transmark, and it certainly was not worth it for the pain that I got (not to mention the trouble with my parents) in this situation. I still ride the bus (since I ride free for the entire Valley Metro system and the Arizona State University bus shuttle to downtown Phoenix) but when I cross the street, I do it quickly, quietly, and try to be unnoticed. In addition, I vowed NEVER to ride a bus in Mesa again (except for the other ASU shuttle, which is passing me as I write this, but that is a safe bus) or even to go into Mesa again by car (except for absolutely necessary things). Mesa is not even the most dangerous part of the city, |
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Posted by tankertom on Mon May 7 15:47:40 2007, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— PROPERTY DESTROYED!, posted by roscoman1986 on Mon May 7 14:56:45 2007. I don't know you and I don't know Nilet but I get very agitated, not to mention aggravated, when I read of these occurrences. I absolutely refuse to watch that TV show "Cops" because the few times I did (someone else was watching and I walked by) it seemed that the cops had made some kind of traffic stop or something similiar; then asked the kid if they could "take a look" in the car or trunk. MJ is found and the poor kid winds up getting arrested. We do have consitutionally protected rights against this stuff and I am confounded why this continues to happen. The only practical way that I can think of to curtail this is to start bringing lawsuits. Huge monetary awards against the cops and their municipal employers might soon deter this behavior. |
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Posted by BMTLines on Mon May 7 15:58:19 2007, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— PROPERTY DESTROYED!, posted by tankertom on Mon May 7 15:47:40 2007. Even though we have a right to refuse to allow a vehicle search how many people exercize that right? It amazes me how many people, knowing they have contraband in their car, are so willing to allow a search. Either they don't know that they can refuse, are so brainwashed to believe that they must obey every request a cop makes, or are so intimidated and afraid of cops that they will obey even when it is not in their best interest to do so. If a cop asks to search your car - JUST SAY NO!!! |
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Posted by BIE on Mon May 7 17:23:05 2007, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— PROPERTY DESTROYED!, posted by Nilet on Sun May 6 22:34:41 2007. Do not argue with the Lion. he is ordered what to think. What is good for bu$h is good for the Church, Screw the rule of law. |
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Posted by BIE on Mon May 7 17:31:11 2007, in response to Re: How NOT to handle an encounter with police (Re: ROBBED BY A COP— PROPERTY DESTROYED!), posted by American Pig on Sat May 5 09:29:53 2007. Then you are a world citizen. |
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Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Mon May 7 17:33:07 2007, in response to Re: How NOT to handle an encounter with police (Re: ROBBED BY A COP— PROPERTY DESTROYED!), posted by BIE on Mon May 7 17:31:11 2007. or cheap |
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Posted by tankertom on Mon May 7 17:55:28 2007, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— PROPERTY DESTROYED!, posted by BMTLines on Mon May 7 15:58:19 2007. Thank you. In a previous post I commented about how much misinformation is out there. In high school I learned about the Pythagorean theorem and logarithm but nothing about consitutional rights. I was "taught" about the Magna Carta and the Battle of Hastings. Haven't used much of that knowledge, though. Honestly, the schools should be teaching this stuff. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Mon May 7 20:31:32 2007, in response to Re: How NOT to handle an encounter with police (Re: ROBBED BY A COP— PROPERTY DESTROYED!), posted by American Pig on Mon May 7 14:52:00 2007. You are probably right. Makes sense. I can't remember if the meters I saw were on one or both sides. |
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Re: How NOT to handle an encounter with police (Re: ROBBED BY A COP— PROPERTY DESTROYED!) |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Mon May 7 20:34:28 2007, in response to Re: How NOT to handle an encounter with police (Re: ROBBED BY A COP— PROPERTY DESTROYED!), posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Mon May 7 10:28:35 2007. You can usually find a spot within a block or two, but I've avoided the area around Avenue V near Flatbush when I heard several years ago that cars were being vandalized there during times when there were few cars parked there. |
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Re: How NOT to handle an encounter with police (Re: ROBBED BY A COP— PROPERTY DESTROYED!) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon May 7 20:38:01 2007, in response to Re: How NOT to handle an encounter with police (Re: ROBBED BY A COP— PROPERTY DESTROYED!), posted by AMoreira81 on Sat May 5 17:05:14 2007. Wowsers! Sure glad I don't live down there anymore. But then again, there *is* transit down there. That stinks though. :( |
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Further Cop Incident Update: I Went To The CCRB |
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Posted by Nilet on Tue May 8 00:08:15 2007, in response to ROBBED BY A COP— PROPERTY DESTROYED!, posted by Nilet on Sun Apr 29 20:42:32 2007. I went down to the CCRB offices today for an interview regarding the incident at Utica regarding police misconduct and the deleting of photographs. I met with the investigator who will be handling my case and gave my description of what happened on tape. (It was kinda funny being interrupted mid-sentence so that he could flip the tape over and hit "record" again; it was a cassette player, and I'm young enough to consider cassette players "old-timey." Sort of.) It was pretty much a repetition of what I posted here, although I was asked questions about a lot of the finer details. More than once, I was asked questions about details so minor I couldn't remember. For example, I was asked which of the two officers spoke first. I didn't remember; this detail was trivial in comparison to what happened afterwards, and I didn't realize at the time that I should keep track of details this minor. I was asked to provide a physical description of the two officers as well. I did this to the best of my ability, but my ability to remember things like this is less than average, so I cobbled together the best I could, which came out as a morass of details, each one prefaced by my level of certainty, often quite wanting. In other news, I spoke with somebody knowledgeable in this area who says that an analysis of the memory card can yield important details about the incident, which can help my case. Terrapin, please check your email. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Tue May 8 03:19:05 2007, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— PROPERTY DESTROYED!, posted by tankertom on Mon May 7 17:55:28 2007. Then the wingnuts will accuse the schools of being a tool of the ACLU by teaching them about all this crazy stuff about their rights instead of teaching them to blindly obey the Supreme Leader. |
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Posted by tankertom on Tue May 8 08:38:20 2007, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— PROPERTY DESTROYED!, posted by SMAZ on Tue May 8 03:19:05 2007. That's even more of a reason for the schools to incorporate teaching the relevancy and practical application of the Bill of Rights in Social Studies classses in elementary school and to continue in junior/senior high school history classes, especially American History. Unfortunately, and I can only really speak from my own experience, but many kids in school may not be interested in learning about these things until later in life when such things become more relevant. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Wed May 9 02:40:09 2007, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— PROPERTY DESTROYED!, posted by tankertom on Tue May 8 08:38:20 2007. TRUTH!! |
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Re: ROBBED BY A COP— PROPERTY DESTROYED! |
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Posted by Nilet on Wed May 9 03:08:51 2007, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— PROPERTY DESTROYED!, posted by SMAZ on Wed May 9 02:40:09 2007. Heh, one of the officers in my encounter actually asked about my "interest" in civil rights, or at least why/how I knew about these legal details. All because I invoked the Fourth Amendment when my camera was illegally seized! Let's put it this way: If the cops are surprised when someone knows about and invokes the 4th Amendment prohibition against unreasonable search and seizure, we have a lot of work to do as a society. When the cop asked why I knew about my Constitutional rights (or how I learned about them, or my interest in them; I don't recall the exact nature of the question), I said that this was something everyone should know. He asked, suspiciously: "Especially you, right?" Yeah, because we all know that only criminals should know their constitutional right to privacy. After all, if you're not doing anything illegal, why should you object to having a government official stand over your shoulder and monitor your every move? If you're not breaking the law, there's no reason not to let the police search whatever they want to search, right? If you're not a terrorist or criminal, there's no reason to object to the telescreen being installed in your house, right? After all, law-abiding citizens have no reason to worry, and it would do a lot to help capture the enemy among us and thus help us finally defeat Eurasia! I mean the terrorists. Right. Eurasia is our ally, except France and Germany. We've always been at war with the terrorists. Unfortunately, since I was handcuffed by cops who had clearly demonstrated that they were willing to break the law, I wasn't able to come up with the level of snark required to actually tell that to him. Instead, I mumbled something about yes, it was especially important for me because I was often harrassed. D'OH! |
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