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Re: Bushwick Branch photo site: Re: Abandoned LIRR stations |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Mon Apr 9 20:49:29 2007, in response to Bushwick Branch photo site: Re: Abandoned LIRR stations, posted by ntrainride on Mon Apr 9 10:47:04 2007. Isn't that pic taken at Scott Street? |
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Posted by ntrainride on Tue Apr 10 09:01:49 2007, in response to Re: Bushwick Branch photo site: Re: Abandoned LIRR stations, posted by daDouce Man on Mon Apr 9 20:49:29 2007. The site doesn't individually label the pics. But following the sequence of shots, I traced the route on Google Maps. For my money, the location of that shot was just south of where 62nd St. ends at Metropolitan Avenue.This is the image from Google |
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Posted by Jace on Tue Apr 10 12:09:52 2007, in response to Re: Bushwick Branch photo site: Re: Abandoned LIRR stations, posted by ntrainride on Tue Apr 10 09:01:49 2007. Nope, it's Scott Avenue for sure. |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Tue Apr 10 21:23:04 2007, in response to Re: Bushwick Branch photo site: Re: Abandoned LIRR stations, posted by Jace on Tue Apr 10 12:09:52 2007. One summer when I worked in the area, I found the bridge going over the ROW at Scott. I thought that bridge was a little shaky. I went up and over as fast as possible. I wish I'd find the pics I took. |
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Posted by Bob Andersen on Wed Apr 11 09:11:57 2007, in response to Re: Bushwick Branch photo site: Re: Abandoned LIRR stations, posted by daDouce Man on Tue Apr 10 21:23:04 2007. I believe it's Scott Ave., not St.Here's a picture I took in September, 1998. The pedestrian bridge was built in 1952.  Kevin Walsh also has a picture in Forgotten NY 
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Apr 11 09:36:37 2007, in response to Re: Bushwick Branch photo site: Re: Abandoned LIRR stations, posted by Bob Andersen on Wed Apr 11 09:11:57 2007. It looks somewhat similar to the one over at Fresh Pond Station. What was the purpose of this bridge? Was there a station there way back when? |
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Posted by subway nutz on Wed Apr 11 17:02:47 2007, in response to Re: Abandoned LIRR stations, posted by daDouce Man on Fri Apr 6 17:31:00 2007. Yeah, that would make sense, but some riders would still likely reverse commute to the J to the E. |
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Posted by R42 4787 on Thu Apr 12 03:24:07 2007, in response to Re: Abandoned LIRR stations, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Apr 6 23:14:06 2007. If you'd think that the closed Montauk stations were so bare and plain, NJ Transit's Finderne station on the Raritan Valley Line, with closed last October was just the same, only in a more remote, less urban seting. It had no platform or sign, just a small dirt path by a freight yard. |
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Posted by Transit Guy on Thu Apr 12 10:17:40 2007, in response to Re: Abandoned LIRR stations, posted by R42 4787 on Sun Apr 8 20:10:02 2007. If you still decide to do it, I look forward to checking out the photos. |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Thu Apr 12 16:27:08 2007, in response to Re: Bushwick Branch photo site: Re: Abandoned LIRR stations, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Apr 11 09:36:37 2007. I'd say it was just an overpass.I doubt if there was a station at the site of the bridge. The branch abondoned passenger service back in 1924. It's possible but I doubt it. |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Thu Apr 12 16:36:52 2007, in response to Re: Abandoned LIRR stations, posted by subway nutz on Wed Apr 11 17:02:47 2007. People always transfer from the J to the E line.During the LIRR strike people who'd get on the J line at 121 Street from the LIRR station at Richmond Hill knew the E line would be way overcrowded with other people from The LIRR. |
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Posted by TunnelRat on Thu Apr 12 16:46:23 2007, in response to Abandoned LIRR stations, posted by R42 4787 on Wed Apr 4 23:59:29 2007. For apx.10 years there was passenger service between the bushwick&evergreen lines using battery cars. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Apr 12 20:30:45 2007, in response to Re: Abandoned LIRR stations, posted by daDouce Man on Thu Apr 12 16:36:52 2007. If the LIRR was on strike, how in the world would they get or use the Richmond Hill LIRR station? I think you are confused with the Amtrak strike which would close Penn Station to the LIRR. |
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Posted by R42 4787 on Thu Apr 12 20:46:51 2007, in response to Re: Abandoned LIRR stations, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Apr 12 20:30:45 2007. When was the Amtrak strike? |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Apr 12 21:13:04 2007, in response to Re: Abandoned LIRR stations, posted by R42 4787 on Thu Apr 12 20:46:51 2007. There was a planned one in the early 90's, but was averted at the last minute. There were pamphlets put out tell the emergency plan. the Richmond Hill station would have been a key station in the plan, as I believe all diesel service was to terminate there, and a special "P" train was to run as a super express on the J line, stopping only at 121st St, Bway Junction, (maybe Myrtle and some others), and run via Chyrstie, up 6th Ave to the 8th Ave line and terminating at 34th/Penn Station (or somewhere over there). This was to be done to not overburden the 7 or E.it was averted at the last minute, so never happened. |
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Posted by Rapid Transit Guy on Thu Apr 12 22:40:48 2007, in response to Re: Abandoned LIRR stations, posted by daDouce Man on Fri Apr 6 17:31:00 2007. Even if that were the case, if some LIRR service to Manhattan was routed through the Lower Montauk line, Richmond Hill would still be underutilized. It would likely see more passengers but not enough for frequent service that the other LIRR lines have. Most Richmond Hill residents won't use it, and stick to the subway.If the Lower Montauk line was converted to a subway line, the perception might change. |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Thu Apr 12 22:53:15 2007, in response to Re: Abandoned LIRR stations, posted by Rapid Transit Guy on Thu Apr 12 22:40:48 2007. Can't be done. Almost 100% of all freight on the island uses the lower Montauk. And when the main line gets too crowded, it'll be used as a good reliever line |
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Posted by subway nutz on Thu Apr 12 23:24:40 2007, in response to Re: Abandoned LIRR stations, posted by Rapid Transit Guy on Thu Apr 12 22:40:48 2007. A Lower Montauk Subway will do nothing for the Richmond Hill Station, unless (1) that subway goes to Midtown and (2) some sort of transfer is built to the J at 121st Street. |
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Posted by J trainloco on Thu Apr 12 23:27:11 2007, in response to Re: Abandoned LIRR stations, posted by NIMBYkiller on Thu Apr 12 22:53:15 2007. And when the main line gets too crowded, it'll be used as a good reliever linePlease explain how. |
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Posted by (X) 2nd Avenue Local on Thu Apr 12 23:48:47 2007, in response to Re: Abandoned LIRR stations, posted by subway nutz on Thu Apr 12 23:24:40 2007. Isn't Richmond Hill is a block too far from 121st Street to make it a viable transfer between stations? |
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Posted by Rapid Transit Guy on Thu Apr 12 23:52:40 2007, in response to Re: Abandoned LIRR stations, posted by subway nutz on Thu Apr 12 23:24:40 2007. How would a transfer to the (J) help with commuter patronage at Richmond Hill, if it were to be converted to a subway line? |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Thu Apr 12 23:59:44 2007, in response to Re: Abandoned LIRR stations, posted by J trainloco on Thu Apr 12 23:27:11 2007. Not enough space to send trains to NYP, GCT, and FBA, so send em to LIC. The main line is going to be packed with NYP and GCT trains, so use the Lower Montauk. You can definately expect LIRR to hit that point one day, probably not too long after ESA opens |
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Posted by SMAZ on Fri Apr 13 03:20:38 2007, in response to Re: Abandoned LIRR stations, posted by NIMBYkiller on Thu Apr 12 23:59:44 2007. I wonder if they seriously ever considered connecting LIC terminal on the Lower Montauk to the southern East River tube to Manhattan. I know they would have to sink the line and reconfigure everything on the LIC side but you could have some limited LIRR-NJT thru running trains to Jamaica and beyond. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Fri Apr 13 11:07:02 2007, in response to Re: Abandoned LIRR stations, posted by SMAZ on Fri Apr 13 03:20:38 2007. This is not possible. The entrance to then tunnel is more than a half mile to the east of the LIC station. There are whole neighborhoods between here and there. There is a freight lion that leaps across the place, but that directs traffic eastbound and not westbound. Duh... The only place to go westbound it LIC or NYP passenger platforms, and so there was no point in making a fright train go there.ROAR |
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Posted by J trainloco on Fri Apr 13 11:17:51 2007, in response to Re: Abandoned LIRR stations, posted by NIMBYkiller on Thu Apr 12 23:59:44 2007. Right now, the 'choke point' on LIRR is at the tunnels to Penn: there's only 4 of them, and they're being used by 2 other agencies as well. But when ESA opens, where will the choke point be? I think It's Jamaica, and you're right, sending more trains along Lower Montauk would help. But who wants to use that? What if a 5th track were added between Woodside and Jamaica? Would that help? |
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Posted by mr_brian on Fri Apr 13 11:22:11 2007, in response to Re: Abandoned LIRR stations, posted by R42 4787 on Fri Apr 6 21:12:41 2007. Thanks for posting those pics. Never knew there were remnants of staircases. It's pretty hard to spot at first glance.I guess those trusses used to be the support structure for the platform? |
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Posted by TunnelRat on Fri Apr 13 11:23:00 2007, in response to Re: Abandoned LIRR stations, posted by J trainloco on Fri Apr 13 11:17:51 2007. The 5th track HAS to funnel into the 4th track at some point,so therefore a bad idea. |
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Posted by Peter Rosa on Fri Apr 13 11:46:57 2007, in response to Re: Abandoned LIRR stations, posted by J trainloco on Fri Apr 13 11:17:51 2007. But when ESA opens, where will the choke point be? I think It's Jamaica, and you're right, sending more trains along Lower Montauk would help.Jamaica already is a choke point, though to a modest degree, what with the "Jamaica Crawl" that greatly slows down nonstop rush-hour trains in the station vicinity. My LIRR/NYCT blog |
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Posted by wzlirr on Fri Apr 13 11:55:50 2007, in response to Re: Abandoned LIRR stations, posted by (X) 2nd Avenue Local on Thu Apr 12 23:48:47 2007. The [J] station at 121 Street is on a very lofty flyover over the LIRR branch,and the Richmond Hill Station is not particularly close-by. This is not a viable transfer point between the two, except in a rare emergency. I've taken the Q-11 bus and transferred at Lefferts Blvd and the el, and the two stations are not close, the the [J] is very high up at this point. |
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Posted by Bob Andersen on Fri Apr 13 12:38:30 2007, in response to Re: Abandoned LIRR stations, posted by Peter Rosa on Fri Apr 13 11:46:57 2007. Some years back, there was a plan for building one or two high speed (well higher speed than the current Jamaica crawl) bypass tracks through Jamaica. For some reason, that plan was abandoned. |
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Posted by J trainloco on Fri Apr 13 12:51:16 2007, in response to Re: Abandoned LIRR stations, posted by TunnelRat on Fri Apr 13 11:23:00 2007. No, it would funnel into the 6 tracks at Woodside.And then, headed to manhattan, you would now have 6 tunnels. Or am I missing something? |
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Posted by J trainloco on Fri Apr 13 12:51:49 2007, in response to Re: Abandoned LIRR stations, posted by Peter Rosa on Fri Apr 13 11:46:57 2007. Well, I meant a choke point for overall service levels. |
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Posted by TunnelRat on Fri Apr 13 12:56:27 2007, in response to Re: Abandoned LIRR stations, posted by J trainloco on Fri Apr 13 12:51:16 2007. Yeah,it has to funnel into 4 tunnels[tracks]Ka-Bisch? |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Fri Apr 13 14:16:05 2007, in response to Re: Abandoned LIRR stations, posted by Broadway Lion on Fri Apr 13 11:07:02 2007. I would think if you start a lil furtther east, you can build a new tunnel to the lower level of NYP...but that's not necesary |
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Posted by ntrainride on Fri Apr 13 14:16:52 2007, in response to Re: Abandoned LIRR stations, posted by Bob Andersen on Fri Apr 13 12:38:30 2007. I remember reading of those plans for non-stop high-speed (sic) tracks through Jamaica. Along with the possibility of re-opening Union Hall Street station for the "improving" Jamaica shopping district. I did see in a public notice that the rebuild would cost somewhere in the vicinity of 70 million or so. Guess that scared `em (the LIRR) out of the project. |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Fri Apr 13 14:20:27 2007, in response to Re: Abandoned LIRR stations, posted by TunnelRat on Fri Apr 13 12:56:27 2007. He just said 6 tunnels, I.E, build new tunnels. I'd rather you just build those from a point east of LIC on the lower montauk to the new lower level since the main level wont really be able to handle that load |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Fri Apr 13 14:26:03 2007, in response to Re: Abandoned LIRR stations, posted by J trainloco on Fri Apr 13 11:17:51 2007. Even if Jamaica wasn't a choke point, you still have only 4 tracks to serve both NYP and GCT(the PW tracks are kind of moot since connecting to those at Woodside will completely screw capacity, not to mention it would set one of those tracks up for being the wrong direction. A 5th track? Well, your still funneling that into limited capacity at the east river. The only solution to that is building a new tunnel, but then why bother spending the money on a 5th approach track when you can just use the existing tracks on the lower montauk for approach?And I have my own idea for bypassing the Jamaica issue, but I'll hold back on that. |
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Posted by R42 4787 on Fri Apr 13 16:06:02 2007, in response to Re: Abandoned LIRR stations, posted by mr_brian on Fri Apr 13 11:22:11 2007. The trusses did support the platforms which were on the bridge over the street. |
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Posted by R42 4787 on Fri Apr 13 21:54:55 2007, in response to Re: Abandoned LIRR stations, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Apr 5 21:09:29 2007. The "offical cause of death" for the Montauk stations was low ridership and lack of compatibility with the new C-3 high-level cars entering service in 1999. ADA regulations were never really a direct reason why they closed, perhaps a side effect to having to refit the high platforms. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Sat Apr 14 03:56:54 2007, in response to Re: Abandoned LIRR stations, posted by NIMBYkiller on Fri Apr 13 14:26:03 2007. And I have my own idea for bypassing the Jamaica issue, but I'll hold back on that.C'mon let's hear it. |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Sat Apr 14 13:57:22 2007, in response to Re: Abandoned LIRR stations, posted by SMAZ on Sat Apr 14 03:56:54 2007. CRRLI |
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Posted by J trainloco on Sat Apr 14 15:43:48 2007, in response to Re: Abandoned LIRR stations, posted by NIMBYkiller on Fri Apr 13 14:20:27 2007. The 6 tunnels I'm referring to are:4 to NY Penn. 2 ESA tunnels. The 5th track idea doesn't help until ESA is finished. |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Sat Apr 14 19:05:49 2007, in response to Re: Abandoned LIRR stations, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Apr 12 20:30:45 2007. My Bad.I meant an Amtrak strike. If that strike had happened, LIRR trains would not be allowed to use the East River Tunnels. Service from Long Island would have to terminate at different locations. Richmond Hill would have been 1 of them. And in the last 25 years there has been such a strike. I forget when off hand. But it has happened. |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Sat Apr 14 19:09:07 2007, in response to Re: Abandoned LIRR stations, posted by Rapid Transit Guy on Thu Apr 12 22:40:48 2007. Not too many people would use Richmond Hill for service to Manhattan.They would probably use it if the RR fare was cheaper. But only as an alternate. |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Sat Apr 14 19:11:40 2007, in response to Re: Abandoned LIRR stations, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Apr 12 21:13:04 2007. Wan't there an Amtrak Strike at one point? |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Sat Apr 14 19:14:44 2007, in response to Re: Abandoned LIRR stations, posted by Rapid Transit Guy on Thu Apr 12 23:52:40 2007. It's unlikely the Montauk line will ever be converted for subway service. |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Sat Apr 14 19:17:20 2007, in response to Re: Abandoned LIRR stations, posted by mr_brian on Fri Apr 13 11:22:11 2007. A case of you had to be there to know where to look. |
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Posted by R30A on Sat Apr 14 19:20:37 2007, in response to Re: Abandoned LIRR stations, posted by wzlirr on Fri Apr 13 11:55:50 2007. The LIRR station and the subway station are both close, but neither overlap with the crossover. They probably could be connected fairly easily if the MTA wished to do so. |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Sat Apr 14 21:34:08 2007, in response to Re: Abandoned LIRR stations, posted by J trainloco on Sat Apr 14 15:43:48 2007. I still think the LIRR might as well use existing infrastructure to expand its service area than create new infrastructure |
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Posted by J trainloco on Sat Apr 14 22:37:46 2007, in response to Re: Abandoned LIRR stations, posted by NIMBYkiller on Sat Apr 14 21:34:08 2007. How many passenger trains use the Lower Montauk Right now? |
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