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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Apr 6 13:38:23 2007, in response to Re: Abandoned LIRR stations, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Apr 6 11:27:06 2007. Oh come on, like most LIRR riders don't have to ride the subway anyway at Penn or Flatbush, or hunterspoint....how many actually have the luxury of being able to walk to work from those stations? |
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Posted by Bob Andersen on Fri Apr 6 14:41:57 2007, in response to Re: Abandoned LIRR stations, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Apr 6 13:38:23 2007. I do! (One Penn Plaza) |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Fri Apr 6 14:47:55 2007, in response to Re: Abandoned LIRR stations, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Apr 6 13:38:23 2007. My mom used to walk from NYP to 50th/5th everyday |
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Posted by mr_brian on Fri Apr 6 14:56:21 2007, in response to Abandoned LIRR stations, posted by R42 4787 on Wed Apr 4 23:59:29 2007. What about the Elmhurst Station on Broadway? The remains are harder to spot other than a nearby street named South Railroad Av (I think that's what it's called) and a narrow corridor next to a building that looks like it used to lead to the station itself. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Fri Apr 6 14:57:50 2007, in response to Re: Abandoned LIRR stations, posted by NIMBYkiller on Fri Apr 6 14:47:55 2007. Yes, Dad worked at NBC in the same neighborhood, and he walked from NYP daily.I too walked from NYP to my place of work, which was across the street on 32nd Street. ROAR |
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Posted by regent23 on Fri Apr 6 16:32:30 2007, in response to Abandoned LIRR stations, posted by R42 4787 on Wed Apr 4 23:59:29 2007. For the closed stations in queens brooklyn - I would bet with the larger populatons in these areas today that these services would have been used much more. |
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Posted by Peter Rosa on Fri Apr 6 16:39:23 2007, in response to Re: Abandoned LIRR stations, posted by Kriston Lewis on Thu Apr 5 18:38:29 2007. One could argue that most of the Lower Montauk stations were "stations" in only the most minimalist sense of the term.My LIRR/NYCT blog |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Fri Apr 6 17:10:20 2007, in response to Re: Abandoned LIRR stations, posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Thu Apr 5 17:45:54 2007. There was one time some years ago when LIRR trains were unable to use the tunnels to Manhattan. I think they were Amtrak tunnels. I'll be corrected if I'm wrong. Customers going to Manhattan were advised to detrain at Richmond Hill to catch the J train at 121 Street. LIRR officials were afraid LIC, Woodside, Jamaica and Hunter's Point stations were going to be overcrowded with commuters.Service along the line going to be beefed up for rush hour traffic. Richmond Hill station was meant for Manhattan bound customers to get to Manhattan. Not to give customers LIRR service to LIC. |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Fri Apr 6 17:24:28 2007, in response to Re: Abandoned LIRR stations, posted by SUBWAYSURF on Fri Apr 6 11:40:43 2007. I have to agree with Chris about this. At the time I was working the booth at Woodhaven on the J. People came down to the booth demanding transfers to the Q11 bus so that they could transfer again at Woodhaven Blvd for the R line to Manhattan. |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Fri Apr 6 17:27:24 2007, in response to Re: Abandoned LIRR stations, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Apr 6 11:25:34 2007. Penny Bridge and Haberman doesn't have much of a neighborhood around it. |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Fri Apr 6 17:31:00 2007, in response to Re: Abandoned LIRR stations, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Apr 6 11:30:48 2007. If service at Richmond Hill actually went to Manhattan instead of LIC, I'm sure the entire line would have had more customers. The fare is more on the LIRR. But it is faster going to Manhattan than the J or any subway going to Manhattan. |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Fri Apr 6 18:08:19 2007, in response to Re: Abandoned LIRR stations, posted by R30A on Fri Apr 6 11:48:57 2007. Good and bad customers all over No matter what. |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Fri Apr 6 18:12:01 2007, in response to Re: Abandoned LIRR stations, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Apr 5 20:43:25 2007. Looked like something abondoned before the 1920s. |
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Posted by Bob Andersen on Fri Apr 6 18:17:43 2007, in response to Re: Abandoned LIRR stations, posted by regent23 on Fri Apr 6 16:32:30 2007. I agree. Stations such as theseElmhurst Rego Park Bellaire Union Hall St Woodhaven |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Fri Apr 6 18:20:01 2007, in response to Re: Abandoned LIRR stations, posted by Kriston Lewis on Thu Apr 5 18:38:29 2007. You should see Glendale Station. If I hadn't looked at an old Queens map to determine where the station was, I'd say it was nothing more than just a grade crossing to the cemetery. |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Fri Apr 6 18:33:57 2007, in response to Re: Abandoned LIRR stations, posted by mr_brian on Fri Apr 6 14:56:21 2007. On the north side of Elmhurst station was Whitney Avenue.I think ForgottenNY had some infomation about an abondoned road of some kind that was on the south side. |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Fri Apr 6 18:38:18 2007, in response to Re: Abandoned LIRR stations, posted by Bob Andersen on Fri Apr 6 18:17:43 2007. Look at some older maps and you'll see other abondoned LIRR stations. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Apr 6 20:34:27 2007, in response to Re: Abandoned LIRR stations, posted by regent23 on Fri Apr 6 16:32:30 2007. Yes...but the most important thing would be service. These stations need almost subway headways at subway prices to be successful, otherwise ridership will not be all that great. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Apr 6 20:36:10 2007, in response to Re: Abandoned LIRR stations, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Apr 6 12:03:13 2007. Very true, but I saw enough obnoxious passangers to color my perception of them for years. I suppose they probably did not like having to get off their nice M1's and then get onto slow, creaky R16/27/30's on the J at the time.Heck, most J riders didn't want to get onto the slow, creaky R16-27-30's at the time!! |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Apr 6 20:37:35 2007, in response to Re: Abandoned LIRR stations, posted by Bob Andersen on Fri Apr 6 14:41:57 2007. Haha, and my girlfriend too actually at her old job! She was only a block away from Penn! |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Apr 6 20:38:27 2007, in response to Re: Abandoned LIRR stations, posted by Broadway Lion on Fri Apr 6 14:57:50 2007. I didn't say "no one", in fact it's a pretty high percentage....but STILL, most don't have that luxury. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Apr 6 20:44:47 2007, in response to Re: Abandoned LIRR stations, posted by daDouce Man on Fri Apr 6 18:20:01 2007. I'd say it was nothing more than just a grade crossing to the cemetery.Actually....it wasn't! It didn't even have a sign there until about 1992 or so! |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Fri Apr 6 20:49:40 2007, in response to Re: Abandoned LIRR stations, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Apr 6 20:44:47 2007. The only sign I saw was a metal LIRR sign forbidding people from trespassing No signs identifing it as a station. |
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Posted by R42 4787 on Fri Apr 6 21:12:41 2007, in response to Re: Abandoned LIRR stations, posted by daDouce Man on Fri Apr 6 18:33:57 2007. Here's my tour of Elmhurst station, in 2005. |
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Posted by AlM on Fri Apr 6 21:15:18 2007, in response to Re: Abandoned LIRR stations, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Apr 6 13:38:23 2007. Oh come on, like most LIRR riders don't have to ride the subway anyway at Penn or Flatbush, or hunterspoint....how many actually have the luxury of being able to walk to work from those stations?Huge numbers of people walk to work from Penn. When I worked at 1 and 2 Penn Plaza I had to fight the crowds going the other way. Now that I work at 45th and 6th a fair number of my colleagues walk from Penn. |
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Posted by kawasakir142 on Fri Apr 6 21:22:41 2007, in response to Re: Abandoned LIRR stations, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Apr 5 00:51:17 2007. where's the platform |
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Posted by R42 4787 on Fri Apr 6 21:23:19 2007, in response to Re: Abandoned LIRR stations, posted by daDouce Man on Fri Apr 6 18:20:01 2007. Even Hagstrom marked the five closed Montauk stations on the 1999 edition of the Queens pocket map and NYC 5-borough atlas/pocket atlas, a year after they closed. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Apr 6 23:14:06 2007, in response to Re: Abandoned LIRR stations, posted by kawasakir142 on Fri Apr 6 21:22:41 2007. That IS the platform...to the right of the train is an "island platform" in the ballast, which was the Jamaica bound platform. The track to the right of the "platform" is the Bushwick branch track. Actually, until the 20's, that's where you would also wait for the Bushwick trains. To the left of the train is the LIC bounc "platform", also in the ballast. If you look closely, you can see the "curb" of the platform on both the "wall" platform, and the island platform.That had to be one of the funnest stations to wait for a train at...especially in the winter when it got dark early...there was no lighting, just whatever second hand light you got from the street above, which wasn't all that close... |
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Posted by R42 4787 on Fri Apr 6 23:55:43 2007, in response to Re: Abandoned LIRR stations, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Apr 6 20:34:27 2007. The low-cost CityTicket (only $3 weekends would help). Plus off-peak fare withing Zone 3 is only $2.50. |
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Posted by kawasakir142 on Sat Apr 7 19:12:11 2007, in response to Re: Abandoned LIRR stations, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Apr 6 23:14:06 2007. O ok didnt they have tin sheds also as shelters along this line |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Apr 7 20:00:57 2007, in response to Re: Abandoned LIRR stations, posted by kawasakir142 on Sat Apr 7 19:12:11 2007. No. Only Fresh Pond had a haphazard "thing" that passed as a shed. The other stations had nothing (excluding Richmond Hill of course).Here they are in all their pathetic glory. These were taken in the early 90's, around 1991 or so. Excuse the quality, as they are slides, and I scanned them with an old crappy slide scanner some years ago, but can't find (or have time right now) the ones where they are scanned with my newer slide scanner: Glendale:  Fresh Pond  Haberman:  Penny Bridge:  |
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Posted by R42 4787 on Sat Apr 7 22:36:38 2007, in response to Abandoned LIRR stations, posted by R42 4787 on Wed Apr 4 23:59:29 2007. Update: visited Elmhurst station today. New material added. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Apr 8 11:50:45 2007, in response to Re: Abandoned LIRR stations, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Apr 7 20:00:57 2007. Again, I can't believe this service lasted into 1998. |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Sun Apr 8 13:04:51 2007, in response to Re: Abandoned LIRR stations, posted by R42 4787 on Fri Apr 6 21:23:19 2007. That's how I was able to find them. Except for Richmond Hill there was nothing to tell me a station was there. And that was 1988 or there abouts when I brought a camera and looked. |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Sun Apr 8 13:08:00 2007, in response to Re: Abandoned LIRR stations, posted by R42 4787 on Fri Apr 6 21:12:41 2007. Looks very different without the platforms and stairways.At least the underpass at the east end is still there. |
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Posted by Transit Guy on Sun Apr 8 17:52:28 2007, in response to Abandoned LIRR stations, posted by R42 4787 on Wed Apr 4 23:59:29 2007. Nice, are you going to check out the Richmond Hill Station or any of the abandoned Rockaway Beach branch stations? Thanks for sharing. |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Sun Apr 8 20:01:22 2007, in response to Re: Abandoned LIRR stations, posted by R42 4787 on Fri Apr 6 23:55:43 2007. But no transfer to subway |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Sun Apr 8 20:08:39 2007, in response to Re: Abandoned LIRR stations, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Apr 6 20:34:27 2007. I think most of those areas would use them for reverse peak service, so while peak direction service wont be sufficient for those commuters, reverse peak would be |
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Posted by R42 4787 on Sun Apr 8 20:10:02 2007, in response to Re: Abandoned LIRR stations, posted by Transit Guy on Sun Apr 8 17:52:28 2007. Originally I was going to do Richmond Hill on Weds (4/4), but due to short time, I went back on the Q58 after hitting Fresh Pond to Corona instead. |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Sun Apr 8 20:22:14 2007, in response to Re: Abandoned LIRR stations, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Apr 7 20:00:57 2007. Damn, I would've loved to experience this. Even 3rd world countries have better stations |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Apr 8 20:47:20 2007, in response to Re: Abandoned LIRR stations, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Apr 8 11:50:45 2007. Neither can I. It truly was a blast to ride, especially if using one of the local stations. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Apr 8 21:02:01 2007, in response to Re: Abandoned LIRR stations, posted by daDouce Man on Sun Apr 8 13:04:51 2007. In the 80's there weren't even signs at most of the stations! They only added signs to some of them around 1991. |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Sun Apr 8 21:06:29 2007, in response to Re: Abandoned LIRR stations, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Apr 8 21:02:01 2007. The only signs I saw were at Richmond Hill.Then again I never bothered to look elsewhere. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Apr 8 23:26:56 2007, in response to Re: Abandoned LIRR stations, posted by daDouce Man on Sun Apr 8 21:06:29 2007. Richmond Hill didn't have signs either until about 1991. |
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Posted by ntrainride on Mon Apr 9 10:47:04 2007, in response to Abandoned LIRR stations, posted by R42 4787 on Wed Apr 4 23:59:29 2007. Speaking of L.I.R.R. city branches, check out this page from industrial new york.com. Here's a photo from that page:
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Apr 9 11:17:51 2007, in response to Bushwick Branch photo site: Re: Abandoned LIRR stations, posted by ntrainride on Mon Apr 9 10:47:04 2007. Wow, that's a great site! |
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Posted by ntrainride on Mon Apr 9 11:38:49 2007, in response to Re: Bushwick Branch photo site: Re: Abandoned LIRR stations, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Apr 9 11:17:51 2007. "Wow, that's a great site!"I can dig it. Good branch views. Now, I'm pretty sure you've been to this section of arrts-arrchives...OCTOBER 26, 1952 FAN TRIP, but if not, here's a teaser: 
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Posted by TunnelRat on Mon Apr 9 15:38:34 2007, in response to Re: Bushwick Branch photo site: Re: Abandoned LIRR stations, posted by ntrainride on Mon Apr 9 11:38:49 2007. An interesting story is that the train was supposed to go to salsbury plain,which is now in the middle of eisenhower park.as they were proceeding thru the golf course a very indignant golfer stopped them in their tracks& said that the RR does not run on a sunday&it was ruining his golf game,BACK UP!he was a local politician& the RR crew did not want to run afoul of him so they had to do as told. |
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Posted by ntrainride on Mon Apr 9 16:17:26 2007, in response to Re: Bushwick Branch photo site: Re: Abandoned LIRR stations, posted by TunnelRat on Mon Apr 9 15:38:34 2007. Cool story. |
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Posted by TunnelRat on Mon Apr 9 16:20:24 2007, in response to Re: Bushwick Branch photo site: Re: Abandoned LIRR stations, posted by ntrainride on Mon Apr 9 16:17:26 2007. Told to me by one of the guys that setup the trip. |
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