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Posted by Grand Concourse on Sat Feb 24 22:52:06 2007, in response to Re: 4 Car R160's at ENY, posted by (SIR) North Shore Line on Sat Feb 24 22:16:22 2007. Well obviously, Kawasaki is a Japanese co. and built the car shells. |
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Posted by SUBWAYMAN on Sat Feb 24 23:09:25 2007, in response to Re: 4 Car R160's at ENY, posted by Terrapin Station on Sat Feb 24 21:54:19 2007. Your arguments have no merit as well. |
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Posted by SUBWAYMAN on Sat Feb 24 23:10:15 2007, in response to Re: 4 Car R160's at ENY, posted by Terrapin Station on Sat Feb 24 21:55:18 2007. No like yourself. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sat Feb 24 23:29:24 2007, in response to Re: 4 Car R160's at ENY, posted by SUBWAYMAN on Sat Feb 24 23:09:25 2007. Which ones? |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sat Feb 24 23:30:41 2007, in response to Re: 4 Car R160's at ENY, posted by SUBWAYMAN on Sat Feb 24 23:10:15 2007. I agree that The Port of Authority is like me. We both take photos and have our own websites and both generally make good arguments on SubChat and generally don't make any stupid posts. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sat Feb 24 23:36:31 2007, in response to Re: 4 Car R160's at ENY, posted by J trainloco on Sat Feb 24 22:13:37 2007. Cool futuristic design (the slant), the neat exp/lcl sigs, the excellent railfan window, the huge route sign, the (originally painted) large curved indentation on the body, the classic interior.see photo: 
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sat Feb 24 23:37:20 2007, in response to Re: 4 Car R160's at ENY, posted by J trainloco on Sat Feb 24 22:14:31 2007. No no no no no, poor forward view for the passengers. But I know you knew that. You're just dragging this out longer than it needs to be. |
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Posted by J trainloco on Sat Feb 24 23:43:45 2007, in response to Re: 4 Car R160's at ENY, posted by Terrapin Station on Sat Feb 24 23:36:31 2007. Except for the railfan window, every feature you mentioned is either gone or extensively modified for the worse (the current interiors of the R40 class are some of the worst around). |
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Posted by J trainloco on Sat Feb 24 23:44:14 2007, in response to Re: 4 Car R160's at ENY, posted by Terrapin Station on Sat Feb 24 23:37:20 2007. haha, yes. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sat Feb 24 23:52:28 2007, in response to Re: 4 Car R160's at ENY, posted by J trainloco on Sat Feb 24 23:43:45 2007. I agree. But they are still the R-40 slants and I like them. I like what they represent. |
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Posted by J trainloco on Sat Feb 24 23:53:54 2007, in response to Re: 4 Car R160's at ENY, posted by Terrapin Station on Sat Feb 24 23:52:28 2007. What do they represent? I see them as the beginning of an era of poor decision making in car design. |
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Posted by Grand Concourse on Sun Feb 25 00:06:32 2007, in response to Re: 4 Car R160's at ENY, posted by J trainloco on Sat Feb 24 23:53:54 2007. Well you do have to give credit for the slanted nose for areodynamic purposes, but the pentographs negated that to some degree.It might've been best if it was a 5-car set rahter than the 5 2-car sets. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Feb 25 00:07:25 2007, in response to Re: 4 Car R160's at ENY, posted by Terrapin Station on Sat Feb 24 23:52:28 2007. Exactly what did they represent? |
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Posted by J trainloco on Sun Feb 25 00:10:41 2007, in response to Re: 4 Car R160's at ENY, posted by Grand Concourse on Sun Feb 25 00:06:32 2007. With all those parts of the front set in (the door, the windows), the R40S was the least aerodynamic car. All those pockets could catch the air, not shift it aorund the car.P.S.-Pantograph. |
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Posted by Grand Concourse on Sun Feb 25 00:17:24 2007, in response to Re: 4 Car R160's at ENY, posted by J trainloco on Sun Feb 25 00:10:41 2007. So i was off by a letter :) |
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Posted by Westinghouse XCB248S on Sun Feb 25 00:34:25 2007, in response to Re: 4 Car R160's at ENY, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Feb 21 12:17:46 2007. Beloved R16 is a oxymoron. |
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Posted by SUBWAYMAN on Sun Feb 25 00:35:39 2007, in response to Re: 4 Car R160's at ENY, posted by Terrapin Station on Sat Feb 24 23:29:24 2007. The reason why you don't like the NTT is because: 1. They don't have the charm of the old Redbirds. 2. Their ride is not as exciting. 3. The biggest reason why you dislike the NTT is because they don't have a RFW! Those are arguments that few people are going to agree with you on. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Feb 25 01:23:08 2007, in response to Re: 4 Car R160's at ENY, posted by Grand Concourse on Sun Feb 25 00:06:32 2007. It wasn't for aerodynamic purpouses!!!!! |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Feb 25 01:26:27 2007, in response to Re: 4 Car R160's at ENY, posted by J trainloco on Sat Feb 24 23:53:54 2007. My guess is that they represented famed industrial designer Raymond Loewy's vision of the future. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Feb 25 01:33:10 2007, in response to Re: 4 Car R160's at ENY, posted by SUBWAYMAN on Sun Feb 25 00:35:39 2007. Where did I make those arguments in this thread? Please provide a link. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Feb 25 01:40:44 2007, in response to Re: 4 Car R160's at ENY, posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Feb 25 01:26:27 2007. But Raymond forgot one thing: he didn't take into account the large gap in between units once they were added up! I rode those cars when they were brand new before all those gates were added in front. Joy riders used to sit on those little ledges in between units. Pretty dangerous eh? |
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Posted by R4 Bryn Mawr LCL/R5 Paoli EXP on Sun Feb 25 01:42:39 2007, in response to Re: 4 Car R160's at ENY, posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Feb 25 01:33:10 2007. He doesn't listen to you anymore. Don't you remember that post he made a while back? He tunes you out. He probably just assumed that's what you said. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Feb 25 01:45:36 2007, in response to Re: 4 Car R160's at ENY, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Feb 25 01:40:44 2007. Nah. Wasn't Ray's fault. Wasn't it the TA that fscked up his design by changing it to 2-car units instead of 5-car units? |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Feb 25 01:46:25 2007, in response to Re: 4 Car R160's at ENY, posted by R4 Bryn Mawr LCL/R5 Paoli EXP on Sun Feb 25 01:42:39 2007. LOL, so true. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Feb 25 01:55:14 2007, in response to Re: 4 Car R160's at ENY, posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Feb 25 01:45:36 2007. I don't know if they were supposed to be 5 car units or not, but I have no reason to doubt you because I don't know one way or the other. Even if you did have two 5 car units, you would still have the same problem in the middle. Unless they would have been transverse cabs, was the conductor supposed to risk HIS life crossing units to operate the doors on the appropriate side in the middle of the train? Plus, if they were going to be 5 car units, then conductor controls would have been necessary in the #1 cabs. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Feb 25 01:58:36 2007, in response to Re: 4 Car R160's at ENY, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Feb 25 01:55:14 2007. It's still not Ray's fault. The TA let his design go through. They could have told him it wouldn't work and let him draw something else. But they didn't. And I'm glad. |
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Posted by R4 Bryn Mawr LCL/R5 Paoli EXP on Sun Feb 25 02:07:22 2007, in response to Re: 4 Car R160's at ENY, posted by J trainloco on Sat Feb 24 21:36:52 2007. Admittedly, that's a problem. But only at 2 stations in the entire system: Franklin and E 180th. And if you listen for announcements, it's not a problem at all.The MTA abandoned Atlantic, Nevins, Boro Hall, Bowling Green, Wall St, Fulton St, Brooklyn Bridge, Union Square, Grand Central, 59th, 86th, 125th, 138th, 149th, 3rd, Jackson, Prospect, Intervale, Simpson, Freeman, 174, and 177? When did this happen? |
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Posted by Edwards! on Sun Feb 25 10:23:43 2007, in response to Re: 4 Car R160's at ENY, posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Feb 25 01:58:36 2007. More or less,the TA of that time was trying to improve its "image",so to speak..Starting with it rolling stock.Riders were still "use to" seeing those dirty grungy cars[there were plenty of 1/9's still around..along with the Q CARS..and the never been washed LAHT SMEE units]. |
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Posted by Grand Concourse on Sun Feb 25 16:41:42 2007, in response to Re: 4 Car R160's at ENY, posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Feb 25 01:23:08 2007. so what's it for stupid asthetics purposes? |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Feb 25 17:23:51 2007, in response to Re: 4 Car R160's at ENY, posted by Grand Concourse on Sun Feb 25 16:41:42 2007. it for stupid asthetics purposes?No, it was for aesthetic purposes. AFAIK the cars don't go fast enough for it to make a noticeable aerodynamic difference. |
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Posted by Grand Concourse on Sun Feb 25 17:26:57 2007, in response to Re: 4 Car R160's at ENY, posted by R4 Bryn Mawr LCL/R5 Paoli EXP on Sun Feb 25 02:07:22 2007. Since they became part of the Twilight Zone. |
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Posted by Grand Concourse on Sun Feb 25 17:27:24 2007, in response to Re: 4 Car R160's at ENY, posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Feb 25 17:23:51 2007. Ok then. |
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Posted by The Port of Authority on Sun Feb 25 17:29:10 2007, in response to Re: 4 Car R160's at ENY, posted by SUBWAYMAN on Sat Feb 24 13:58:07 2007. No, I'm just sharing my opinions on the NTTs. And it's mostly from a rider's perspective rather than a railfan's perspective. |
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Posted by The Port of Authority on Sun Feb 25 17:37:02 2007, in response to Re: 4 Car R160's at ENY, posted by J trainloco on Sat Feb 24 21:36:52 2007. Yeah, yeah, I know, I know: Lex is too harsh and Canarsie is too soft. It's all just bias against NTTs.I'm not against all automated announcements. The CTA, for example, implemented them very well, but NYCT has not. Admittedly, that's a problem. But only at 2 stations in the entire system: Franklin and E 180th. And if you listen for announcements, it's not a problem at all. What if you're waiting at a station between Franklin and E 180th and you need to know whether it's a Dyre or a Nereid, or a Flatbush/E 180th/Bowling Green/New Lots/Utica? OTOH, what do you do when a rollsign is set incorrectly? Or worse: A whole train is incorrect! I observed this happen on an A train: It was supposed to drop out at Dyckman, but a dead R44 at 207 forced this train signed as a Lefferts blvd train to go into service to Far Rock. One car even ended up signed as ending at 34/Penn! That wasn't my point. Rollsigns can be set incorrectly, but in their current implementation they're much easier to read than the signs on the NTTs. OTOH, I've seen incorrectly-set signs on the NTTs. I saw a 4 train pull in with the rear 5 cars all reading "LAST STOP" once. And sometimes the illumination for the signs is burnt out, so the sign is unreadable. And for incorrectly-set rollsigns -- you do have a point there, but the situation you described is fairly uncommon. Most of the time, the majority of the cars are set correctly. A solution for the signage issue? Just follow the CTA again -- implement electrically-powered rollsigns that can be changed from the operator's cab. I've never seen an incorrectly-signed CTA train. I've heard people complain that the interiors of the R62/68 are like cans, the R44/46 are too drab and coffin-like, and that the R38 is too dark. This is a matter of personal preference, and while I admit that the existing NTT color scheme is a bit too sterile for my tastes, this does not dertact from its value as a subway car. To be fair, I don't like the interiors of many of the older trains as well. I guess the only ones I really like are the R32, the R40 (sans the seats), the R42, and the R46. The others have their problems such as being too dark, too bright, or too reflective. |
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