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Posted by Grand Concourse on Thu Feb 22 21:51:57 2007, in response to Re: 4 Car R160's at ENY, posted by (SIR) North Shore Line on Thu Feb 22 20:17:19 2007. What about you? |
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Posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Thu Feb 22 22:13:52 2007, in response to Re: 4 Car R160's at ENY, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Feb 22 12:09:42 2007. That front sign is an oddball - the letters are squared, like those that the R38s had.I kind of miss the R16s too. I think they have enough to make up a 4-car consist - if they can be made operational. 6387, 6305, 6339 and 6452. I like the colored signs, slanted door-motor pockets and the flaking, peeling ceilings. They worked good as locals. wayne |
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Posted by Edwards! on Thu Feb 22 22:24:59 2007, in response to Re: 4 Car R160's at ENY, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Feb 22 12:09:42 2007. YES..A childhood's past I would love to forget.I would Not like to ride them EVER again. Ever rode the KING DA Ka? Well IF you don't like coasters..then THAT is what riding a R16 was like. |
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Posted by Westinghouse XCB248S on Thu Feb 22 23:50:01 2007, in response to Re: 4 Car R160's at ENY, posted by Grand Concourse on Thu Feb 22 20:15:31 2007. Protons. Electrons. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Fri Feb 23 00:10:46 2007, in response to Re: 4 Car R160's at ENY, posted by Westinghouse XCB248S on Thu Feb 22 23:50:01 2007. Let me just bust up your mind,please..Ill burn your crew like florance..run up in your crib like my name was SEARCH WARRENTS. You know what the hell I mean..steppin thur your crib like MEAN JOE GREEN. Day of my life goes on..WORD IS BOND and Ill make you feel my PROTON..NEUTRONS and ELECTRONS... LET ME HIT YOU WITH FLOWS while your comparin' this...hit you again and make you LIVE out your areas... Now Im makin you feel the extreme..till I knock you out,turn on my REAL HIGH BEAM. Oh S--T..Now I got your brains fried nasty ..polluted with CARBON MONOXIDE..So Hit the dirt..get on the floor..Im that outlaw fella living RIGHT NEXT DOOR.. On and On..I said on and ON... Son ..you wont understand when I form VOLTRON.... |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Feb 23 09:39:54 2007, in response to Re: 4 Car R160's at ENY, posted by SUBWAYMAN on Wed Feb 21 14:18:38 2007. I think the prevailing attitude at the time was, out with the old, in with the new. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Feb 23 09:40:29 2007, in response to Re: 4 Car R160's at ENY, posted by (SIR) North Shore Line on Wed Feb 21 14:47:50 2007. The R-1/9s were not state of the art even when new. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Feb 23 09:41:15 2007, in response to Re: 4 Car R160's at ENY, posted by Karl B on Wed Feb 21 18:29:07 2007. You weren't around when they started falling apart. |
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Posted by FYBklyn1959 on Fri Feb 23 12:55:40 2007, in response to Re: 4 Car R160's at ENY, posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Thu Feb 22 22:13:52 2007. Couldn't one or two run with the IRT SMEEs? The different width shouldn't be an operational issue. |
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Posted by J trainloco on Fri Feb 23 23:05:03 2007, in response to Re: 4 Car R160's at ENY, posted by R30A on Wed Feb 21 14:49:57 2007. I dont hate All new cars-- The MTA just has a tendency to get really shitty ones.What's wrong with the NTTs in the subway? |
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Posted by The Port of Authority on Fri Feb 23 23:05:40 2007, in response to Re: 4 Car R160's at ENY, posted by J trainloco on Fri Feb 23 23:05:03 2007. The seats. |
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Posted by J trainloco on Fri Feb 23 23:18:04 2007, in response to Re: 4 Car R160's at ENY, posted by The Port of Authority on Fri Feb 23 23:05:40 2007. The seats on the NTTs are substantially more comfortable than the seats on R40s. |
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Posted by The Port of Authority on Sat Feb 24 00:06:04 2007, in response to Re: 4 Car R160's at ENY, posted by J trainloco on Fri Feb 23 23:18:04 2007. That's not saying much. |
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Posted by J trainloco on Sat Feb 24 00:13:18 2007, in response to Re: 4 Car R160's at ENY, posted by The Port of Authority on Sat Feb 24 00:06:04 2007. Certainly not, but no one here complains about the R40s. |
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Posted by The Port of Authority on Sat Feb 24 00:20:11 2007, in response to Re: 4 Car R160's at ENY, posted by J trainloco on Sat Feb 24 00:13:18 2007. Sure they do. |
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Posted by J trainloco on Sat Feb 24 00:24:42 2007, in response to Re: 4 Car R160's at ENY, posted by The Port of Authority on Sat Feb 24 00:20:11 2007. Of course. People complain about everything. But while a lot of people complain about the NTTs seats, wishing that the NTTs don't show up, many people want the R40s to stay. |
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Posted by (SIR) North Shore Line on Sat Feb 24 00:39:46 2007, in response to Re: 4 Car R160's at ENY, posted by J trainloco on Sat Feb 24 00:24:42 2007. You're so right, lol.The NTT seats seem to be fine for many as it's used on the busiest lines in North America. It is a given that if they were actually a problem for many of the riders, the media would've gotten contacted and blown the whole issue up like they did the armrests on the M7s and the ripped pants. |
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Posted by The Port of Authority on Sat Feb 24 00:52:16 2007, in response to Re: 4 Car R160's at ENY, posted by J trainloco on Sat Feb 24 00:24:42 2007. The R40s have other redeeming features that make up for their terrible seats. That's why we like them. |
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Posted by (SIR) North Shore Line on Sat Feb 24 00:57:29 2007, in response to Re: 4 Car R160's at ENY, posted by The Port of Authority on Sat Feb 24 00:52:16 2007. Like what? They're just an R38 with a slant on the front and less poles on the interior. |
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Posted by The Port of Authority on Sat Feb 24 01:05:48 2007, in response to Re: 4 Car R160's at ENY, posted by (SIR) North Shore Line on Sat Feb 24 00:57:29 2007. No.The exterior was completely redesigned with new sides and new ends. The windows became much larger. The sidesign layout was redesigned. The seats were redesigned to be compatible with the new windows (something I don't really agree with...) The small rollsigns on the car ends were replaced with a large, easy-to-read letter. Et cetera, et cetera. They are not R38s at all. They may be operationally similar to them but they're not like them in any other way. |
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Posted by mambomta on Sat Feb 24 01:35:45 2007, in response to Re: 4 Car R160's at ENY, posted by J trainloco on Fri Feb 23 23:18:04 2007. The seats on the NTTs are substantially more comfortable than the seats on R40s.I find the opposite is true. The worst I get from the R40 seats is a temporarily sore butt. The best I get from the NTT seats is a mildly sore back. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Sat Feb 24 02:14:24 2007, in response to Re: 4 Car R160's at ENY, posted by The Port of Authority on Sat Feb 24 01:05:48 2007. No..even the TA itself said they were a "advanced design" on the R38 model.Essentially..they ARE the same car..except the 40 has "Better appointments than the previous model of rail car".... What was done to the basic "boxy design" was several things.. Lower profile window/door treatments... Instead of the three curtain roll sign feature like on the older equipment..and NEW design was introduced and placed OVER the window with strip maps included to the interior for passengers. Also..featured with newly redesigned Bulkhead a rather large roll sign for train "signals"[a large E or F]in a color field...along with the retained EXP/LOCAL markers. Originally..this model was suppose to be built as 5 car sets,with only ONE slope mid-train... Loewey's design was "redesigned" by the TA DESIGN TEAM..and they changed MOST of the interior to what resembled an "ordinary" R unit along the lines of the 32/38 model. So,what WAS beautiful piece of equipment,ON PAPER, was reduced to the ODDBALL of the B Division...ALSO..Since they chose to go with the MARRIED PAIR CONCEPT...there were FIVE such gaps mid train[on a ten car train] making it a very dangerous trip for passenger..IN the train and along the platform. |
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Posted by J trainloco on Sat Feb 24 10:44:20 2007, in response to Re: 4 Car R160's at ENY, posted by The Port of Authority on Sat Feb 24 00:52:16 2007. Yeah, they have the railfan features that everyone loooooves. I couldn't care less about the RFW, so I'm going with the NTTs, which have better PRACTICAL features. |
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Posted by Grand Concourse on Sat Feb 24 10:53:30 2007, in response to Re: 4 Car R160's at ENY, posted by Edwards! on Sat Feb 24 02:14:24 2007. So basically it would've been an R40M w/one slant tacked on to an end = both ends of a 10-car train having the slants only and then no need for those pentograph things? |
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Posted by Grand Concourse on Sat Feb 24 10:56:06 2007, in response to Re: 4 Car R160's at ENY, posted by mambomta on Sat Feb 24 01:35:45 2007. you can't sit strait w/your back to the NTT seats, i tend to slouch a bit so it wouldn't be too bad on my back.If the curve was a bit lower, it might be better ...for me. |
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Posted by Grand Concourse on Sat Feb 24 10:57:13 2007, in response to Re: PHOTO........Re: 4 Car R160's at ENY, posted by #3 West End Jeff on Wed Feb 21 01:31:10 2007. R42's probably won't be going that soon. |
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Posted by SUBWAYMAN on Sat Feb 24 11:10:55 2007, in response to Re: 4 Car R160's at ENY, posted by (SIR) North Shore Line on Sat Feb 24 00:57:29 2007. That is mostly true. |
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Posted by J trainloco on Sat Feb 24 11:22:37 2007, in response to Re: 4 Car R160's at ENY, posted by Grand Concourse on Sat Feb 24 10:56:06 2007. I'm tall, and those seats fit me perfectly. |
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Posted by The Port of Authority on Sat Feb 24 12:07:15 2007, in response to Re: 4 Car R160's at ENY, posted by J trainloco on Sat Feb 24 10:44:20 2007. What features are better? The seats? Or the annoying automated announcements?No, I think you mean the exterior signs that manage to be harder to read than the rollsigns. Or perhaps the overly bright interiors. |
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Posted by Grand Concourse on Sat Feb 24 12:16:37 2007, in response to Re: 4 Car R160's at ENY, posted by J trainloco on Sat Feb 24 11:22:37 2007. 6'+? Then I'm sure it be fine for you. |
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Posted by Grand Concourse on Sat Feb 24 12:18:28 2007, in response to Re: 4 Car R160's at ENY, posted by The Port of Authority on Sat Feb 24 12:07:15 2007. The exterior signs is not that bad and better for the crew as they don't have to change every sign manually if the train is to be running on another line. Otherwise I'm not too crazy about the other features either. Though the announcements are much better or clearer [better than nothing i guess] |
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Posted by The Port of Authority on Sat Feb 24 12:19:59 2007, in response to Re: 4 Car R160's at ENY, posted by Grand Concourse on Sat Feb 24 12:18:28 2007. To be fair, only the R142s' sidesigns are truly bad because they go blank between readings, forcing the reader to have to wait longer to see where the train is going. What's the purpose of that? |
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Posted by Grand Concourse on Sat Feb 24 12:34:11 2007, in response to Re: 4 Car R160's at ENY, posted by The Port of Authority on Sat Feb 24 12:19:59 2007. True. I give you that and it is very frustrating if it is a 5 when I need to know if it is going to Utica/zoo lots or Flatbush Av. |
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Posted by SUBWAYMAN on Sat Feb 24 13:58:07 2007, in response to Re: 4 Car R160's at ENY, posted by The Port of Authority on Sat Feb 24 12:07:15 2007. You are starting to sound like a foamer. |
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Posted by J trainloco on Sat Feb 24 17:27:29 2007, in response to Re: 4 Car R160's at ENY, posted by The Port of Authority on Sat Feb 24 12:07:15 2007. What features are better? The seats? Or the annoying automated announcements?You mean the announcements that are ALWAYS clear and understandable? No, I think you mean the exterior signs that manage to be harder to read than the rollsigns. What signs are those? The only signs that I know of on the NTTs provide far more information than rollsigns, and do so without the frequent mis-signed car. The only rollsigns that dispense the same amount of useful information as the NTTs side signs are the R32/38 signs, and unfortunatly, they aren't always up to date, or set correctly. Or perhaps the overly bright interiors. I hear this frequently on this board. Nowhere else does anybody complain about something being too bright in a place as dark as the subway. Add to that many upgrades to the technical features of the trains, and I don't see how the NTTs are bad cars. |
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Posted by J trainloco on Sat Feb 24 17:28:18 2007, in response to Re: 4 Car R160's at ENY, posted by Grand Concourse on Sat Feb 24 12:16:37 2007. Admittedly, I'm not the average height, so I generally do not comment on the comfort of NTTs seats. |
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Posted by The Port of Authority on Sat Feb 24 21:11:38 2007, in response to Re: 4 Car R160's at ENY, posted by J trainloco on Sat Feb 24 17:27:29 2007. You mean the announcements that are ALWAYS clear and understandable?I'd prefer something that sounded less as if the announcer is yelling at me. Of course, this problem is its worst on the Lexington Avenue lines. What signs are those? The only signs that I know of on the NTTs provide far more information than rollsigns, and do so without the frequent mis-signed car. The only rollsigns that dispense the same amount of useful information as the NTTs side signs are the R32/38 signs, and unfortunatly, they aren't always up to date, or set correctly. The signs on the R142s are extremely hard to read because they go blank between readings for no reason. So if you're waiting for a 5 train to Nereid, for example, rather than a 5 to Dyre, you have to wait as the sign changes between all of its readings before you can be sure that it's okay to enter. I hear this frequently on this board. Nowhere else does anybody complain about something being too bright in a place as dark as the subway. The subway isn't that dark. Of course the tunnels are, but many stations are comfortably bright. There's no need to make the interiors of trains look like hospital waiting rooms. |
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Posted by SUBWAYMAN on Sat Feb 24 21:16:32 2007, in response to Re: 4 Car R160's at ENY, posted by The Port of Authority on Sat Feb 24 21:11:38 2007. Of course, this problem is its worst on the Lexington Avenue lines.Then don't ride the Lex trains next time. The subway isn't that dark. Of course the tunnels are, but many stations are comfortably bright. There's no need to make the interiors of trains look like hospital waiting rooms. That argument has no merit. |
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Posted by The Port of Authority on Sat Feb 24 21:23:12 2007, in response to Re: 4 Car R160's at ENY, posted by SUBWAYMAN on Sat Feb 24 21:16:32 2007. Then don't ride the Lex trains next time.What if my destination is near the Lexington Avenue line? That argument has no merit. There's a better way to design the interior so it's not so bright -- R46s, for example, have great interiors. That's my opinion, of course, and you can disagree. But your argument of "newer is always better and I'm always right" has no merit. Please cease and desist. |
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Posted by J trainloco on Sat Feb 24 21:36:52 2007, in response to Re: 4 Car R160's at ENY, posted by The Port of Authority on Sat Feb 24 21:11:38 2007. I'd prefer something that sounded less as if the announcer is yelling at me. Of course, this problem is its worst on the Lexington Avenue lines.Yeah, yeah, I know, I know: Lex is too harsh and Canarsie is too soft. It's all just bias against NTTs. The signs on the R142s are extremely hard to read because they go blank between readings for no reason. So if you're waiting for a 5 train to Nereid, for example, rather than a 5 to Dyre, you have to wait as the sign changes between all of its readings before you can be sure that it's okay to enter. Admittedly, that's a problem. But only at 2 stations in the entire system: Franklin and E 180th. And if you listen for announcements, it's not a problem at all. OTOH, what do you do when a rollsign is set incorrectly? Or worse: A whole train is incorrect! I observed this happen on an A train: It was supposed to drop out at Dyckman, but a dead R44 at 207 forced this train signed as a Lefferts blvd train to go into service to Far Rock. One car even ended up signed as ending at 34/Penn! There's no need to make the interiors of trains look like hospital waiting rooms. I've heard people complain that the interiors of the R62/68 are like cans, the R44/46 are too drab and coffin-like, and that the R38 is too dark. This is a matter of personal preference, and while I admit that the existing NTT color scheme is a bit too sterile for my tastes, this does not dertact from its value as a subway car. |
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Posted by SUBWAYMAN on Sat Feb 24 21:43:56 2007, in response to Re: 4 Car R160's at ENY, posted by The Port of Authority on Sat Feb 24 21:23:12 2007. But your argument of "newer is always better and I'm always right" has no merit. Please cease and desist.I'm not using the "newer is always better argument and I'm always right", I do however think that complaining about a bad commute or a problem you have with a certain train is pointless. If you're having a problem with the trains, then write to the MTA about it. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sat Feb 24 21:53:52 2007, in response to Re: 4 Car R160's at ENY, posted by SUBWAYMAN on Sat Feb 24 21:43:56 2007. I see nothing at all wrong with The Port of Authority's posts. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sat Feb 24 21:54:19 2007, in response to Re: 4 Car R160's at ENY, posted by SUBWAYMAN on Sat Feb 24 21:16:32 2007. His arguments have a lot of merit, while your responses don't. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sat Feb 24 21:55:18 2007, in response to Re: 4 Car R160's at ENY, posted by SUBWAYMAN on Sat Feb 24 13:58:07 2007. You mean like yourself? |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sat Feb 24 21:57:21 2007, in response to Re: 4 Car R160's at ENY, posted by The Port of Authority on Sat Feb 24 01:05:48 2007. I agree with you. The R-40 is a great piece of rolling stock. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sat Feb 24 21:58:26 2007, in response to Re: 4 Car R160's at ENY, posted by J trainloco on Fri Feb 23 23:05:03 2007. Poor forward view. |
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Posted by J trainloco on Sat Feb 24 22:13:15 2007, in response to Re: 4 Car R160's at ENY, posted by SUBWAYMAN on Sat Feb 24 21:43:56 2007. Thank you Ron. |
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Posted by J trainloco on Sat Feb 24 22:13:37 2007, in response to Re: 4 Car R160's at ENY, posted by Terrapin Station on Sat Feb 24 21:57:21 2007. For what reasons? |
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Posted by J trainloco on Sat Feb 24 22:14:31 2007, in response to Re: 4 Car R160's at ENY, posted by Terrapin Station on Sat Feb 24 21:58:26 2007. On the contrary, the Operator has an outstanding forward view, and he also has a sun visor, something not present on older models. |
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Posted by (SIR) North Shore Line on Sat Feb 24 22:16:22 2007, in response to Re: 4 Car R160's at ENY, posted by The Port of Authority on Sat Feb 24 21:23:12 2007. Notice a pattern here?And then back to NYC again: You can thank Asia for the bright trains. |
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