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Re: BMT Nassau Loop & ex-SIRT cars. |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Sun Sep 11 20:06:05 2022, in response to Re: BMT Nassau Loop & ex-SIRT cars., posted by Edwards! on Sun Sep 11 16:25:13 2022. Well,it seems that they didn't feel this way when they purchased the R62s from Kawasaki Heavy.The cars were built in Japan,the 68s were built in France,the 62a were built in Canada. Foreign meaning rolling stock from other cities. Bill Newkirk |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Sun Sep 11 20:14:18 2022, in response to Re: BMT Nassau Loop & ex-SIRT cars., posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sun Sep 11 17:15:47 2022. They didn't call 'em BMT standards for nothing.:) They set a standard for subway rolling stock.Technically should they be called BRT Standards ? Bill Newkirk |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sun Sep 11 21:07:13 2022, in response to Re: BMT Nassau Loop & ex-SIRT cars., posted by Bill Newkirk on Sun Sep 11 20:14:18 2022. Technically yes, since they were designed by the BRT. |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Sep 12 03:41:20 2022, in response to Re: BMT Nassau Loop & ex-SIRT cars., posted by TUNNELRAT on Sat Sep 10 09:12:34 2022. By the time the SIRT cars were developed, the electric portions on the H drawheads were changed from the older “slide” which had to be manually advanced from the uncoupling valve to a different style of electric portion that advances automatically as soon as the coupling was made. The SIRTs would actually be able to couple to the D types and the R-1/9s. |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Sep 12 03:44:00 2022, in response to Re: BMT Nassau Loop & ex-SIRT cars., posted by Bill Newkirk on Sat Sep 10 15:23:31 2022. Although I’m not entirely certain, but I believe that since the Broad St Subway unlike the bMT was actually designed for 67 ft cars, the trucks are closer to the ends of the cars eliminating the end excess and allowing passengers to cross between cars which could not be done on the BMT steels. |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Sep 12 03:51:34 2022, in response to Re: BMT Nassau Loop & ex-SIRT cars., posted by Bill Newkirk on Sun Sep 11 20:14:18 2022. I’ve been railfanning since the 1950s and in all that time I have never heard any NYCTA (former BMT) employee referring to those cars as “standards” In the Southern Div they were referred to as “ABs” to distinguish them from the D types adn in the Eastern Division they were referred to simply as “steels” since they were the only heavyweight steel car used on the Eastern till the R types came along. I suspect that prior to their unitization into B units and the arrival of the D types, Southern Div personnel also simply called them “steels” also. The only people whom I have ever heard calling them “standards” are railfans. |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Sep 12 03:53:23 2022, in response to Re: BMT Nassau Loop & ex-SIRT cars., posted by Bill Newkirk on Sat Sep 10 19:41:21 2022. Not sure about the Cs but they did try the Qs there for about a week around the same time they were transferred off the 3rd Ave el. |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Sep 12 18:22:51 2022, in response to Re: BMT Nassau Loop & ex-SIRT cars., posted by randyo on Mon Sep 12 03:53:23 2022. I just read on Wiki that the Cs ran briefly on Franklin when they were brand new. I’m actually surprised that the Cs weren’t transferred to Fkln after Fulton shutdown since they would have been prefect for that service. The ywould have even been OK for the times when Fkln ran through to Stl. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Mon Sep 12 18:50:56 2022, in response to Re: BMT Nassau Loop & ex-SIRT cars., posted by randyo on Mon Sep 12 03:44:00 2022. You have thought it was a joint effort between tunnel and car designers. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Mon Sep 12 18:52:53 2022, in response to Re: BMT Nassau Loop & ex-SIRT cars., posted by randyo on Mon Sep 12 03:51:34 2022. When I first saw them, I didn't know what they were called. All I knew was they looked ugly and didn't have signs up front. OK, I was ten and a half. What did I know? |
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Posted by TUNNELRAT on Tue Sep 13 10:07:50 2022, in response to Re: BMT Nassau Loop & ex-SIRT cars., posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Mon Sep 12 18:52:53 2022. they were so ugly that they were beautiful. |
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Posted by Avid Reader on Tue Sep 13 11:02:53 2022, in response to Re: BMT Nassau Loop & ex-SIRT cars., posted by Avid Reader on Sun Sep 11 10:04:33 2022. Please note some cars have channeling above the doors to deflect rain water. Some cars show varying air vents along the roof line.  There is also a variety of front ends. |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Tue Sep 13 11:03:40 2022, in response to Re: BMT Nassau Loop & ex-SIRT cars., posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Mon Sep 12 18:52:53 2022. When it came to ugly, the C cars had first prize! |
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Posted by Edwards! on Tue Sep 13 13:19:32 2022, in response to Re: BMT Nassau Loop & ex-SIRT cars., posted by Bill Newkirk on Sun Sep 11 20:06:05 2022. Yeah..I knew that..but you presented such a lovely opportunity to be snarky,I couldn't resist. My bad,bro..thought you saw it. |
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Posted by Asgard on Tue Sep 13 17:45:36 2022, in response to Re: BMT Nassau Loop & ex-SIRT cars., posted by Avid Reader on Tue Sep 13 11:02:53 2022. The top one is one of the original Broad Street cars; the lower one is a South Broad car, with the end of a Bridge car showing on the right.The original cars had windows in the door pockets (some plated over), but the South Broad cars had a blank panel on one side. I forget what the Bridge cars had. |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Tue Sep 13 20:53:45 2022, in response to Re: BMT Nassau Loop & ex-SIRT cars., posted by Edwards! on Tue Sep 13 13:19:32 2022. Yeah..I knew that..but you presented such a lovely opportunity to be snarky,I couldn't resist. My bad,bro..thought you saw it. No apology needed, we're good. Bill Newkirk |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue Sep 13 21:17:37 2022, in response to Re: BMT Nassau Loop & ex-SIRT cars., posted by TUNNELRAT on Tue Sep 13 10:07:50 2022. They looked as though they were from another century (they are now; this was back in 1967). I'd gotten used to looking above the front storm door and seeing route and destination signs - and these ugly things didn't have them! |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue Sep 13 21:21:21 2022, in response to Re: BMT Nassau Loop & ex-SIRT cars., posted by randyo on Mon Sep 12 03:51:34 2022. I've read that BRT personnel initially called them, "steel cars," which makes sense since everything up until then was wooden. Then when they started coupling single cars into three-car sets, the lashup became known as a B unit while single cars became A units; hence ABs. I'm a railfan myself and like to refer to them as BMT standards. Others prefer, "steels," or ABs. We all know what were'e talking about. |
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Posted by Avid Reader on Wed Sep 14 10:10:44 2022, in response to Re: BMT Nassau Loop & ex-SIRT cars., posted by Asgard on Tue Sep 13 17:45:36 2022. Thanks for information.Where these different car types restricted to only service on those lines mentioned? |
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Posted by Asgard on Wed Sep 14 11:42:09 2022, in response to Re: BMT Nassau Loop & ex-SIRT cars., posted by Avid Reader on Wed Sep 14 10:10:44 2022. The "South Broad" cars were bought for the extension of the Broad Street subway, to provide additional service. They, and the original cars, ran the length of the line.The Bridge cars were owned by/financed by? - I don't know the details - the Delaware River Port Authority, to serve the line to Camden. After being replaced by the PATCO cars, they were assigned to subway service, running with the Broad Street and South Broad cars. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Wed Sep 14 16:47:49 2022, in response to Re: BMT Nassau Loop & ex-SIRT cars., posted by Bill Newkirk on Tue Sep 13 20:53:45 2022. Appreciate you. |
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Posted by Avid Reader on Thu Sep 15 01:17:02 2022, in response to Re: BMT Nassau Loop & ex-SIRT cars., posted by Asgard on Wed Sep 14 11:42:09 2022. Ah ha!How many of each were there? I noticed slight differences in some, were these do to subsequent orders? In the photos there were paint schemes, did these occur over time or for special events? |
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