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R211 storm door observation
Posted by gbs on Fri Dec 27 14:22:26 2019 According to the artist's rendering, the R211 storm door will be flush with the car front, which makes for a beautiful and sleek front end. The last time we saw this design was on the R44/R46, but all later cars, up to and including the R179, went back to recessed storm doors, possibly to make it easier for the crews to climb up and enter from outside. Is the rendering correct, or is it too soon to tell? R211 rendering: R46: R68: R179:
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Posted by Bill Newkirk* on Fri Dec 27 14:36:39 2019, in response to R211 storm door observation, posted by gbs on Fri Dec 27 14:22:26 2019.* It looks like a plug door much like the R-46. Bill Newkirk
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Posted by Joe V* on Fri Dec 27 15:55:44 2019, in response to R211 storm door observation, posted by gbs on Fri Dec 27 14:22:26 2019.* Also lacks any sort of pantograph gates or chains, which I am sure will not be the case.
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Re: R211 storm door observation
Posted by Spider-Pig* on Fri Dec 27 16:09:11 2019, in response to Re: R211 storm door observation, posted by Joe V on Fri Dec 27 15:55:44 2019.* There are chains across the front doors. Since the front end, even when coupled into the middle of a train will not be used by passengers, the outer chains are less necessary. Also, if you look at the edges, there are notches that look like where those chains can go. So it’s possible that they’ll have them, but the plan is to remove them completely and not “store” them by wrapping around the end of the train. That remains to be seen.
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Posted by Joe V* on Fri Dec 27 16:55:41 2019, in response to Re: R211 storm door observation, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Dec 27 16:09:11 2019.* They need outer chains to prevent people from falling between the cars and to make access difficult to the gangway between the cars from the platform.
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Posted by Spider-Pig* on Fri Dec 27 17:35:54 2019, in response to Re: R211 storm door observation, posted by Joe V on Fri Dec 27 16:55:41 2019.* The cab already gets in the way of going between the the end cars in the middle of the train and the design appears to have room for the springs/chains, they just aren’t installed in the picture. There’s no need for them at the front/rear of the train.
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Re: R211 storm door observation
Posted by Bill Newkirk* on Fri Dec 27 19:22:49 2019, in response to Re: R211 storm door observation, posted by Joe V on Fri Dec 27 15:55:44 2019.* Also lacks any sort of pantograph gates or chains, which I am sure will not be the case. They'll use the "bologna springs" like on the R 142-179's. Bill Newkirk
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Posted by Spider-Pig* on Fri Dec 27 19:47:25 2019, in response to Re: R211 storm door observation, posted by Bill Newkirk on Fri Dec 27 19:22:49 2019.* IAWTP
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Posted by Bill Newkirk* on Fri Dec 27 19:48:44 2019, in response to Re: R211 storm door observation, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Dec 27 19:47:25 2019.* IAWTP Or maybe salami or pepperoni springs lol Bill Newkirk
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth* on Sat Dec 28 12:36:17 2019, in response to Re: R211 storm door observation, posted by Bill Newkirk on Fri Dec 27 19:48:44 2019.* Mozzarella strings. They can stretch.
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Posted by Express Rider* on Sat Dec 28 13:45:24 2019, in response to Re: R211 storm door observation, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sat Dec 28 12:36:17 2019.* You might want to think about patenting this idea! :)
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Posted by Train Dude* on Sat Dec 28 22:49:46 2019, in response to Re: R211 storm door observation, posted by Joe V on Fri Dec 27 16:55:41 2019.* The apparent pockets on the bonnet edges would suggest that SP is correct. NYCT requires then to protect blind people from accidently mistake the opening between cars for a doorway. Of course, if the trains are delivered as solid 8 or 10 car consists, then it's a moot point
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Posted by https://salaamallah.com/* on Sat Dec 28 22:50:33 2019, in response to R211 storm door observation, posted by gbs on Fri Dec 27 14:22:26 2019.* GOOD BYE RAIL FAN WINDOW !! GONE FOREVER
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Posted by Broadway Lion* on Sun Dec 29 11:52:50 2019, in response to Re: R211 storm door observation, posted by Train Dude on Sat Dec 28 22:49:46 2019.* Yes, but this requirement also exists between the cars, especially since there is no access to the car interior from climbing on between the cars.
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Posted by Train Dude* on Sun Dec 29 13:46:18 2019, in response to Re: R211 storm door observation, posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Dec 29 11:52:50 2019.* True but I believe that we are talking about the open ends where the plug door (storm door) exist.
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Posted by randyo* on Sun Dec 29 17:23:54 2019, in response to Re: R211 storm door observation, posted by Bill Newkirk on Fri Dec 27 19:22:49 2019.* I understand the reason bologna springs were used on 75 ft cars due to the end excess, but there is no reason why IRT cars and 60 ft long BMT/IND cars couldn’t have gone back to the pantograph gates like the R-62s. It would make cutting and adding much easier even thpugh there isn’t too much of that going on at the present time.
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim* on Sun Dec 29 19:29:27 2019, in response to Re: R211 storm door observation, posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Sat Dec 28 22:50:33 2019.* Nothing in the NYCTA is "forever".
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Posted by Catfish 44* on Sun Dec 29 20:40:06 2019, in response to Re: R211 storm door observation, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sun Dec 29 19:29:27 2019.* We can all understand the benefits of a wide cab for the people that drive the trains.
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Posted by Bill Newkirk* on Sun Dec 29 20:48:37 2019, in response to Re: R211 storm door observation, posted by randyo on Sun Dec 29 17:23:54 2019.* I understand the reason bologna springs were used on 75 ft cars due to the end excess, but there is no reason why IRT cars and 60 ft long BMT/IND cars couldn’t have gone back to the pantograph gates like the R-62s. It would make cutting and adding much easier even thpugh there isn’t too much of that going on at the present time. Then there's got to be a reason why pantograph gates aren't used on new equipment. Maybe someone here ya know for sure. Bill Newkirk
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Posted by Catfish 44* on Sun Dec 29 20:49:56 2019, in response to Re: R211 storm door observation, posted by Bill Newkirk on Sun Dec 29 20:48:37 2019.* They look old.
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Posted by randyo* on Mon Dec 30 01:43:38 2019, in response to Re: R211 storm door observation, posted by Catfish 44 on Sun Dec 29 20:49:56 2019.* But bologna springs have been around as long as pantograph gates so they are also just as old looking.
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Posted by randyo* on Mon Dec 30 01:48:47 2019, in response to Re: R211 storm door observation, posted by Catfish 44 on Sun Dec 29 20:40:06 2019.* I was a motorman for several years before the reintroduction of the wide cab and I can’t see any benefit to it.
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth* on Mon Dec 30 11:09:34 2019, in response to Re: R211 storm door observation, posted by randyo on Mon Dec 30 01:48:47 2019.* Me too. The wide cab is all for the NYCT version/potential version of OPTO.
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Posted by Catfish 44* on Mon Dec 30 11:22:23 2019, in response to Re: R211 storm door observation, posted by randyo on Mon Dec 30 01:48:47 2019.* Claustrophobia is what I was thinking of.
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Posted by Joe V* on Mon Dec 30 12:06:58 2019, in response to Re: R211 storm door observation, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Mon Dec 30 11:09:34 2019.* Which will never happen. What was PATH's excuse ? FRA will never permit OPTO.
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Posted by randyo* on Mon Dec 30 13:24:48 2019, in response to Re: R211 storm door observation, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Mon Dec 30 11:09:34 2019.* And yet SEPTA has OPTO on their M/F with corner cabs.
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Posted by Avid Reader* on Tue Dec 31 10:05:39 2019, in response to Re: R211 storm door observation, posted by Catfish 44 on Mon Dec 30 11:22:23 2019.* Claustrophobia. If so, why work under tons of ever pressing tons of earth and rock, seeking to bury you alive, with time running out before you could be rescued, alone, in the dark, listening to your heart beat, as seconds, and minutes pass. Tick, tick, tick. I'm just saying...
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Posted by Catfish 44* on Tue Dec 31 11:49:16 2019, in response to Re: R211 storm door observation, posted by Avid Reader on Tue Dec 31 10:05:39 2019.* Oh boy
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Posted by Joe V* on Tue Dec 31 12:41:41 2019, in response to Re: R211 storm door observation, posted by Avid Reader on Tue Dec 31 10:05:39 2019.* The North Shore Electroliners had a 2/3rds cab, and the left side had a railfan front window seat.
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Posted by randyo* on Tue Dec 31 16:23:17 2019, in response to Re: R211 storm door observation, posted by Joe V on Tue Dec 31 12:41:41 2019.* Not to mention that all rapid transit cars in the US from the IRT deck roofers to the R-42s all had corner cabs with the exception of the BMT Multis which had convertible cabs that could be carried transverse or corner but usually operated in the transverse configuration. The return to transverse cabs occurred when many transit systems became interested in OPTO and ordered cars with transverse cab capability.
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Posted by Avid Reader* on Tue Dec 31 19:17:43 2019, in response to Re: R211 storm door observation, posted by Catfish 44 on Tue Dec 31 11:49:16 2019.* How do you think I felt as, I was changing my oil with just a scissor jack holding up the truck, and everyone else out doing last minute chores for New Years Eve.
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Posted by Catfish 44* on Tue Dec 31 21:58:12 2019, in response to Re: R211 storm door observation, posted by Avid Reader on Tue Dec 31 19:17:43 2019.* That’s extremely dangerous and unnecessary. I had a ‘71 Volvo 142E automatic that stalled out in midflight coming off the Tappan Zee bridge. I couldn’t restart the car because a safety start switch wire came off and had to be plugged back on. I had to jack that thing up on the shoulder with a car’s 30+ year old jack as freeway traffic went flying by. I thought for sure that car was going to crush me from the wake of trucks and everything else flying by.
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Posted by Strike_Mark* on Tue Dec 31 23:10:36 2019, in response to Re: R211 storm door observation, posted by Catfish 44 on Sun Dec 29 20:49:56 2019.* But PA-5s, M-7s, M-8s, and SEPTA Market Street cars (off the top of my head) all have end gates and they look fine when pinned back.
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Posted by Strike_Mark* on Tue Dec 31 23:43:06 2019, in response to Re: R211 storm door observation, posted by Joe V on Mon Dec 30 12:06:58 2019.* It’s in the event they do. Single man operation isn’t too far fetched.
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Posted by randyo* on Wed Jan 1 00:02:39 2020, in response to Re: R211 storm door observation, posted by Strike_Mark on Tue Dec 31 23:10:36 2019.* Exactly!
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Posted by Avid Reader* on Wed Jan 1 10:29:16 2020, in response to Re: R211 storm door observation, posted by Catfish 44 on Tue Dec 31 21:58:12 2019.* Dear Cat, I'm sorry you missed my (sic) humor about "Claustrophobia" and Train operators dislike for limited space in corner cabs.
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