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Re: MTA will still be ordering new 75 foot NYC subway cars |
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Posted by SubwaySurf on Thu Oct 3 19:46:44 2013, in response to MTA will still be ordering new 75 foot NYC subway cars, posted by Gold_12th on Wed Oct 2 21:04:29 2013. No surprIse there....cut n paste boy.....Lordy, get a life....SMH |
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Posted by SubwaySurf on Thu Oct 3 19:47:30 2013, in response to Re: MTA will still be ordering new 75 foot NYC subway cars, posted by SubwaySurf on Thu Oct 3 19:46:44 2013. Awaits childish response |
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Posted by SubwaySurf on Thu Oct 3 19:49:06 2013, in response to MTA will still be ordering new 75 foot NYC subway cars, posted by Gold_12th on Wed Oct 2 21:04:29 2013. What's this "WE" shit? |
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Posted by grand concourse on Thu Oct 3 19:49:44 2013, in response to Re: MTA will still be ordering new 75 foot NYC subway cars, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Thu Oct 3 18:33:24 2013. yup |
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Posted by SubwaySurf on Thu Oct 3 19:49:50 2013, in response to MTA will still be ordering new 75 foot NYC subway cars, posted by Gold_12th on Wed Oct 2 21:04:29 2013. DUH |
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Posted by SubwaySurf on Thu Oct 3 19:52:14 2013, in response to Re: MTA will still be ordering new 75 foot NYC subway cars, posted by RailBus63 on Wed Oct 2 22:32:00 2013. Foamer city.....lol |
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Posted by Gold_12th on Thu Oct 3 19:54:07 2013, in response to Re: MTA will still be ordering new 75 foot NYC subway cars, posted by SubwaySurf on Thu Oct 3 19:46:44 2013. Lets have a hug...
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Posted by SubwaySurf on Thu Oct 3 19:57:18 2013, in response to Re: MTA will still be ordering new 75 foot NYC subway cars, posted by Gold_12th on Thu Oct 3 19:54:07 2013. Typical childish response. I expected no less from a child, such ass your self. |
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Posted by SubwaySurf on Thu Oct 3 19:58:23 2013, in response to Re: MTA will still be ordering new 75 foot NYC subway cars, posted by Gold_12th on Thu Oct 3 19:54:07 2013. BTW is. Dat u on the left? |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Thu Oct 3 19:58:49 2013, in response to Re: MTA will still be ordering new 75 foot NYC subway cars, posted by Joe V on Thu Oct 3 19:05:11 2013. ..? No, not what I meant. What I mean is, if it's four sets of larger doors that take an extra second to close, that's an extra second someone can grab it. Versus five sets of fast small doors which close before people realize "oh the doors are *actually closing* now". Of course neither approach prevents people who grab the door to ask a stupid question or hear an announcement, or to hold the train for someone running down the stairs. If they don't know what they're doing they should figure it out on the platform, if the doors have started closing people should accept that they have missed their train.Admittedly I stated two seemingly opposite ideas in this thread. Earlier I suggested a single leaf door because it would be hard to grab (despite having more time before it closed). But it would increase average dwell time due to the longer time it would take to close. |
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Posted by SubwaySurf on Thu Oct 3 19:59:31 2013, in response to Re: MTA will still be ordering new 75 foot NYC subway cars, posted by SubwaySurf on Thu Oct 3 19:47:30 2013. Still waiting. Bus foamer boy |
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Posted by SubwaySurf on Thu Oct 3 20:00:17 2013, in response to Re: MTA will still be ordering new 75 foot NYC subway cars, posted by Gold_12th on Wed Oct 2 21:36:44 2013. Proof.???. |
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Posted by SubwaySurf on Thu Oct 3 20:00:23 2013, in response to Re: MTA will still be ordering new 75 foot NYC subway cars, posted by Gold_12th on Wed Oct 2 21:36:44 2013. Proof.???. |
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Posted by SubwaySurf on Thu Oct 3 20:02:20 2013, in response to MTA will still be ordering new 75 foot NYC subway cars, posted by Gold_12th on Wed Oct 2 21:04:29 2013. No surprIse there....cut n paste boy.....Lordy, get a life....SMH |
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Posted by Gold_12th on Thu Oct 3 20:05:59 2013, in response to Re: MTA will still be ordering new 75 foot NYC subway cars, posted by SubwaySurf on Thu Oct 3 19:58:23 2013. No, that's you in middle. Go click on it. |
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Posted by WillD on Thu Oct 3 21:24:16 2013, in response to Re: MTA will still be ordering new 75 foot NYC subway cars, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Oct 3 17:14:01 2013. An eight car train of 75 foot cars with five doors per side would have exactly as many doors as a ten car train of 60 foot cars with four doors per side. If NYCT's many, many ten car trains of 60 foot long cars do not experience undue problems with door holding, then five door cars will not present any greater problem. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu Oct 3 21:33:30 2013, in response to Re: MTA will still be ordering new 75 foot NYC subway cars, posted by grand concourse on Thu Oct 3 18:21:11 2013. Five sets of doors per side on 75-foot cars would definitely be a step in the right direction. |
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Posted by grand concourse on Thu Oct 3 23:03:58 2013, in response to Re: MTA will still be ordering new 75 foot NYC subway cars, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu Oct 3 21:33:30 2013. yup |
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Posted by Train Dude on Fri Oct 4 00:21:01 2013, in response to Re: MTA will still be ordering new 75 foot NYC subway cars, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu Oct 3 21:33:30 2013. It certainly would except for the loss of seating. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Fri Oct 4 00:26:02 2013, in response to Re: MTA will still be ordering new 75 foot NYC subway cars, posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Oct 2 21:50:36 2013. All true but keep in mind which cars are going to be replaced. Also since inspections are based on unit revenue miles, a fleet of 75 foot cars accumulates less total miles than an equivalent fleet of 6o' cars. Aside from the savings in the initial purchase cost, there are considerable savings in maintenance for 75' cars vs 60' cars. |
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Posted by randyo on Fri Oct 4 01:57:16 2013, in response to Re: MTA will still be ordering new 75 foot NYC subway cars, posted by WillD on Thu Oct 3 21:24:16 2013. However, additional door equipment will cut down on the savings of 75 ft cars vs 60 ft cars. |
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Posted by Grand concourse on Fri Oct 4 02:55:08 2013, in response to Re: MTA will still be ordering new 75 foot NYC subway cars, posted by randyo on Fri Oct 4 01:57:16 2013. One of the savings, but still one less car per set to deal with. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Fri Oct 4 04:43:39 2013, in response to Re: MTA will still be ordering new 75 foot NYC subway cars, posted by SubwaySurf on Thu Oct 3 19:46:44 2013. Why attack?Gold_12th is one of my favorite posters, offering a steady stream of salient articles. People like him make the main board enjoyable. |
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Wouldn't 67-foot cars make more sense? |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Fri Oct 4 06:48:49 2013, in response to MTA will still be ordering new 75 foot NYC subway cars, posted by Gold_12th on Wed Oct 2 21:04:29 2013. Then maybe they should look at doing 67-foot cars (like the old BMT Standards were) and make them where on the regular lines they can run 10 of those cars (with some overhang at some stations) for 670' trains (or nine cars for 603') OR eight cars (536') in the Eastern Division (and if necessary, lengthening some stations slightly on each end to accommodate 670' trains in most divisions and 536' in the Eastern Division).This could be done where you have sets of three and sets of four cars. This would allow for flexibility in making up train sets of three, four, six, seven, eight, nine or 10 cars as needed. That to me would be a compromise that would allow the R211s to also be used as needed in the Eastern Division since that division did use 67-foot cars when the BMT Standards roamed there. |
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Posted by Joe V on Fri Oct 4 07:22:31 2013, in response to Re: MTA will still be ordering new 75 foot NYC subway cars, posted by grand concourse on Thu Oct 3 19:42:17 2013. Yes you can send another set up, but you still get 10 cars officially marked out of service because of one flat wheel. |
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Posted by Joe V on Fri Oct 4 07:24:33 2013, in response to Re: MTA will still be ordering new 75 foot NYC subway cars, posted by randyo on Fri Oct 4 01:57:16 2013. You still haven't built that 5th car.The cost o fa 75' car is still greater than a 60' car, regardless of whether it has 4 or 5 sets of doors. |
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Posted by Joe V on Fri Oct 4 07:26:59 2013, in response to Re: MTA will still be ordering new 75 foot NYC subway cars, posted by Train Dude on Fri Oct 4 00:26:02 2013. If they went to BMT-style articulation, possibly requiring 6 car bodies on 6 trucks per 300', it would be interesting to cost out. |
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Posted by Joe V on Fri Oct 4 07:28:27 2013, in response to Wouldn't 67-foot cars make more sense?, posted by Wallyhorse on Fri Oct 4 06:48:49 2013. Doesn't the NTT technology (or is it CBTC) limit a train to 2 units ? |
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Posted by AlM on Fri Oct 4 08:27:47 2013, in response to Re: MTA will still be ordering new 75 foot NYC subway cars, posted by Joe V on Fri Oct 4 07:24:33 2013. Is it 25% greater? If not, there can be savings. |
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Posted by Joe V on Fri Oct 4 08:55:52 2013, in response to Re: MTA will still be ordering new 75 foot NYC subway cars, posted by grand concourse on Thu Oct 3 19:42:17 2013. While there does not seem to be a practical difference, it is the MDBF "metric" that suffers. Top management at organizations today, private or public sector, are interested in top line "Metrics", not reality. |
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Posted by Joe V on Fri Oct 4 09:33:30 2013, in response to Re: MTA will still be ordering new 75 foot NYC subway cars, posted by AlM on Fri Oct 4 08:27:47 2013. I don't think 25%, but still somewhat more. |
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Posted by Joe V on Fri Oct 4 09:35:18 2013, in response to Re: MTA will still be ordering new 75 foot NYC subway cars, posted by grand concourse on Thu Oct 3 19:44:30 2013. Unless the doorway is wide enough for triple-streaming, like the METRA Gallery car has evolved since 1949, adding a couple of inches to width won't make a difference |
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Posted by Avid Reader on Fri Oct 4 09:36:54 2013, in response to Re: MTA will still be ordering new 75 foot NYC subway cars, posted by Joe V on Fri Oct 4 07:26:59 2013. What about 67 ft. cars, as in the prototype R 110B.R-110B non-powered trailer  R-160 trailer  R-110b powered cab  R-160 cab in 2 four car sets.  R-110B in three cars sets of powered-cab, non-powered trailer, powered-cab. 
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Posted by Avid Reader on Fri Oct 4 09:49:48 2013, in response to Re: MTA will still be ordering new 75 foot NYC subway cars, posted by Joe V on Fri Oct 4 09:35:18 2013. Place high frequency uni-directional annoying hum above door area, to drive standees away from door areas. |
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Posted by Avid Reader on Fri Oct 4 09:56:05 2013, in response to Re: MTA will still be ordering new 75 foot NYC subway cars, posted by LuchAAA on Fri Oct 4 04:43:39 2013. While providing a Cornucopia of Information.
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Posted by Avid Reader on Fri Oct 4 10:02:32 2013, in response to Wouldn't 67-foot cars make more sense?, posted by Wallyhorse on Fri Oct 4 06:48:49 2013. I'd go with 3-car and 4 car sets of 67ft. allowing for a variety of combinations and lengths, while maximizing door numbers and available seats. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Oct 4 10:39:30 2013, in response to Wouldn't 67-foot cars make more sense?, posted by Wallyhorse on Fri Oct 4 06:48:49 2013. No. They don't want to create more oddball equipment which would need it's only stop markers and conductor indicator boards at every station. |
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Posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Fri Oct 4 11:11:12 2013, in response to Re: MTA will still be ordering new 75 foot NYC subway cars, posted by grand concourse on Thu Oct 3 19:44:30 2013. Agreed. That's probably why the extra-wide doors used on the R110A didn't make it onto the R142s. |
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Posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Fri Oct 4 11:14:51 2013, in response to Re: MTA will still be ordering new 75 foot NYC subway cars, posted by Gold_12th on Thu Oct 3 18:27:53 2013. Eight wide doors on the R211 cars will go over about as well as the six wide doors used on the R110A cars did. Which is to say, not well, because the R142s had narrower doors (though still wider than the Redbirds' doors). |
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Posted by Joe V on Fri Oct 4 11:28:54 2013, in response to Re: MTA will still be ordering new 75 foot NYC subway cars, posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Fri Oct 4 11:14:51 2013. Well people are getting fatter. |
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Posted by Joe V on Fri Oct 4 11:34:05 2013, in response to Re: MTA will still be ordering new 75 foot NYC subway cars, posted by Avid Reader on Fri Oct 4 09:36:54 2013. More oddball lengths. The C/R boards would be so complicated, the C/R's would not know what to do. |
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Posted by grand concourse on Fri Oct 4 11:46:01 2013, in response to Re: MTA will still be ordering new 75 foot NYC subway cars, posted by Joe V on Fri Oct 4 11:34:05 2013. If all but 1 eastern division platforms can handle about 9 60'car trains, then if they had 67'car trains in sets of 4 (8 car trains max), that could've been better for them. Maybe that's what they should've done with the R179s since the C isn't likely to be compatible with the A (C being stuck at 8 car trains). May as well extend the cars without adding cars to the trains. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Oct 4 11:53:47 2013, in response to Re: MTA will still be ordering new 75 foot NYC subway cars, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Thu Oct 3 18:33:24 2013. Understood. The way they configure trainsets now, a 5 car set of 60' cars is as unusable on the Eastern Division as any 75' car. |
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Posted by grand concourse on Fri Oct 4 11:55:05 2013, in response to Re: MTA will still be ordering new 75 foot NYC subway cars, posted by Joe V on Fri Oct 4 07:22:31 2013. But what's the difference if it was on say the B or Q lines which probably has that problem in the fall? The point is you have more flexibility over what can be sent up the S. So they don't change the 2 car set up for now, but the platforms should be extended. |
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Posted by grand concourse on Fri Oct 4 11:59:07 2013, in response to Re: MTA will still be ordering new 75 foot NYC subway cars, posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Fri Oct 4 11:14:51 2013. Yeah if anything those R142 doors seem to be as wide as the ones on the R160s. Width is similar, but because it is an A division car, the doors are wider in comparison to the car. I don't mind it at all, at least i can still squeeze in if there those standing by the doors instead of moving into the car. |
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Posted by grand concourse on Fri Oct 4 12:05:34 2013, in response to Wouldn't 67-foot cars make more sense?, posted by Wallyhorse on Fri Oct 4 06:48:49 2013. No on the 9 car trains of 67'cars. What they should've done was order the R160s (or whatever contact number) for eastern division to get 67' car trains in sets of 4 for a max of 8 cars. That would be great for the L line. Maybe the R179 order should be 67' car trains so the C can be the equivalent to a 9 car train. It isn't going to swap with the A anymore, so it doesn't matter about compatibility. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Fri Oct 4 12:19:39 2013, in response to Re: MTA will still be ordering new 75 foot NYC subway cars, posted by Train Dude on Fri Oct 4 00:21:01 2013. It should still be slightly more seating than an equivalent 10x60' train... there's about 10' more interior [length] space over the length of the train. |
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Posted by Gold_12th on Fri Oct 4 12:22:18 2013, in response to Re: MTA will still be ordering new 75 foot NYC subway cars, posted by grand concourse on Fri Oct 4 11:59:07 2013. The door width is 6 feet 3 inches on all R142, R142A, R143, R160A/B fleet.Its the B-cars that seem to have more room due to the seating arrangement where you can probably fit 3 people leaning on the doors. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Fri Oct 4 12:58:22 2013, in response to Re: MTA will still be ordering new 75 foot NYC subway cars, posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Fri Oct 4 11:14:51 2013. narrow doors?that can't be..those doors are much wider than what we were use to on the older cars..much more room. |
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Posted by Joe V on Fri Oct 4 12:59:53 2013, in response to Re: Wouldn't 67-foot cars make more sense?, posted by grand concourse on Fri Oct 4 12:05:34 2013. The C will be basically overflow equipment from ENY. |
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