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R44 5240 - New York Transit Museum 9/21/13 |
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Posted by Mysterious Friday 1986 on Mon Sep 23 21:00:29 2013 Not always the best pictures. But worth sharing. Enjoy.       And finally  Iron-to-Iron |
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Re: R44 5240 - New York Transit Museum 9/21/13 |
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Posted by WillD on Mon Sep 23 21:12:25 2013, in response to R44 5240 - New York Transit Museum 9/21/13, posted by Mysterious Friday 1986 on Mon Sep 23 21:00:29 2013. Nice photos, but they raised a question I hadn't considered before.How are trains stored in the Transit Museum? I don't recall hearing the compressors run the last time I was there, so I'm assuming they're hand braked. But it's my understanding that a handbrake cannot be trusted to hold a train over a very long time, so are there chocks or some other means of securing the trains should the handbrakes release? And I'd assume the third rail is live throughout the station, as opposed to using an shop jumper to run the lights and stuff? |
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Re: R44 5240 - New York Transit Museum 9/21/13 |
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Posted by Stef on Mon Sep 23 21:15:26 2013, in response to R44 5240 - New York Transit Museum 9/21/13, posted by Mysterious Friday 1986 on Mon Sep 23 21:00:29 2013. You did alright boss. Way to go.I never thought I'd see the day that a 75 footer would take a spot in the Museum Collection. Coupling the cars iron to iron is good. You'll never know when a tow job will have to be done! -Stef |
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Re: R44 5240 - New York Transit Museum 9/21/13 |
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Posted by renee gil on Mon Sep 23 21:19:37 2013, in response to R44 5240 - New York Transit Museum 9/21/13, posted by Mysterious Friday 1986 on Mon Sep 23 21:00:29 2013. the plaque in the 5th pic says that these cars were rebuilt by morrison-knudsen in 1991. the r44s were actually rebuilt between June 1991 – January 1993. 5202-5341 were rebuilt by morrison-knudsen, the other cars were rebuilt by the 207 street overhaul shop and coney island overhaul shop. |
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Re: R44 5240 - New York Transit Museum 9/21/13 |
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Posted by blue8irt on Mon Sep 23 21:40:34 2013, in response to Re: R44 5240 - New York Transit Museum 9/21/13, posted by WillD on Mon Sep 23 21:12:25 2013. I love those cars. They ride like velvet. |
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Posted by Mysterious Friday 1986 on Mon Sep 23 21:47:10 2013, in response to Re: R44 5240 - New York Transit Museum 9/21/13, posted by WillD on Mon Sep 23 21:12:25 2013. As far as I am able to answer, the end of each train is secured by a chock on one rail right against one wheel. And the third rail is live. |
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Re: R44 5240 - New York Transit Museum 9/21/13 |
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Posted by Mysterious Friday 1986 on Mon Sep 23 21:48:58 2013, in response to Re: R44 5240 - New York Transit Museum 9/21/13, posted by Stef on Mon Sep 23 21:15:26 2013. Thank you very much. I can only imagine if one day should they decide to run a fan trip with that one. Would be an interesting sight.The possibilities are endless! |
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Re: R44 5240 - New York Transit Museum 9/21/13 |
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Posted by Mysterious Friday 1986 on Mon Sep 23 21:50:10 2013, in response to Re: R44 5240 - New York Transit Museum 9/21/13, posted by renee gil on Mon Sep 23 21:19:37 2013. Great information, thanks. |
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Re: R44 5240 - New York Transit Museum 9/21/13 |
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Posted by Mysterious Friday 1986 on Mon Sep 23 21:51:09 2013, in response to Re: R44 5240 - New York Transit Museum 9/21/13, posted by blue8irt on Mon Sep 23 21:40:34 2013. Agreed. |
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Posted by renee gil on Mon Sep 23 21:51:33 2013, in response to Re: R44 5240 - New York Transit Museum 9/21/13, posted by Mysterious Friday 1986 on Mon Sep 23 21:50:10 2013. you're welcome. |
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Posted by MTA T on Mon Sep 23 22:14:52 2013, in response to R44 5240 - New York Transit Museum 9/21/13, posted by Mysterious Friday 1986 on Mon Sep 23 21:00:29 2013. Nice! I also got to see this my self a few months ago.I have heard that 5241 can be seen on the Museum track on Coney Island Yard as well; does anyone know if that is true? |
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Posted by YoungNYCSubwayFan on Mon Sep 23 22:41:02 2013, in response to Re: R44 5240 - New York Transit Museum 9/21/13, posted by WillD on Mon Sep 23 21:12:25 2013. From my perspective, this is my answer:Almost all of the cars in the museum have their hand brakes on. If you look at the R-44, you could tell the hand brake is on from looking inside the cab. If you board one of the BMT Elevated Cars and look at the front of 9306, you can clearly see the hand brake applied. (Refer to the top arrow in the picture.) If you look at the R7A 1575 (with the Signal Tower behind you), you can see something similar. For 100 and 484, their hand brake is physically inside the car. The second arrow points to one yellow 'chock' which is put on the wheel closest to the platform to make sure those trains do not move.  Source for picture: http://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?93229 |
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Posted by YoungNYCSubwayFan on Mon Sep 23 22:52:26 2013, in response to Re: R44 5240 - New York Transit Museum 9/21/13, posted by MTA T on Mon Sep 23 22:14:52 2013. I doubt it. According to http://www.nycsubway.org/wiki/R-44_(St._Louis,_1971-1973), it was scrapped in Sept. of 2012. |
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Re: R44 5240 - New York Transit Museum 9/21/13 |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Sep 23 23:11:41 2013, in response to R44 5240 - New York Transit Museum 9/21/13, posted by Mysterious Friday 1986 on Mon Sep 23 21:00:29 2013. 
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Posted by chud1 on Tue Sep 24 04:43:30 2013, in response to R44 5240 - New York Transit Museum 9/21/13, posted by Mysterious Friday 1986 on Mon Sep 23 21:00:29 2013. 5 drooling stars out of 5 drooling stars on these pictures.chud1. :).... |
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Re: R44 5240 - New York Transit Museum 9/21/13 |
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Posted by merrick1 on Tue Sep 24 06:30:31 2013, in response to Re: R44 5240 - New York Transit Museum 9/21/13, posted by Stef on Mon Sep 23 21:15:26 2013. The original museum display included two R46's painted in a bicentennial scheme and numbered 1776 and 1976. |
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Posted by MR RT on Tue Sep 24 07:37:43 2013, in response to Re: R44 5240 - New York Transit Museum 9/21/13, posted by YoungNYCSubwayFan on Mon Sep 23 22:41:02 2013. plus the track is on flat ground, so it doesn't take too much to hold the car in place. |
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Re: R44 5240 - New York Transit Museum 9/21/13 |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue Sep 24 08:43:12 2013, in response to Re: R44 5240 - New York Transit Museum 9/21/13, posted by YoungNYCSubwayFan on Mon Sep 23 22:41:02 2013. Ah, so 3352-53 are at the museum right now, eh? |
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Re: R44 5240 - New York Transit Museum 9/21/13 |
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Posted by renee gil on Tue Sep 24 08:44:22 2013, in response to Re: R44 5240 - New York Transit Museum 9/21/13, posted by renee gil on Mon Sep 23 21:19:37 2013. 5240 were actually overhauled on 1/3/1992, not in '91 like it says in the 5th pic. |
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Re: R44 5240 - New York Transit Museum 9/21/13 |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue Sep 24 08:45:27 2013, in response to Re: R44 5240 - New York Transit Museum 9/21/13, posted by merrick1 on Tue Sep 24 06:30:31 2013. Well, the museum opened in 1976. |
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Posted by renee gil on Tue Sep 24 08:47:09 2013, in response to Re: R44 5240 - New York Transit Museum 9/21/13, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue Sep 24 08:45:27 2013. the transit museum opened on 7/2/1976. |
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Posted by BLE-NIMX on Tue Sep 24 09:01:29 2013, in response to Re: R44 5240 - New York Transit Museum 9/21/13, posted by WillD on Mon Sep 23 21:12:25 2013. Hand brakes will hold cars indefinitely, providing they were tested for function before abandoning the equipment. I remember the diesel crews back in the 80s having to shake the trains and car inspectors beating brake shoes with hammers to get them released from the wheels after taking off those handbrakes on scrapped R10s and that IND flat car at CCY. Their cast iron brake shoes stuck to the wheels from handbrakes being on for LONG periods of time after they were removed from service. |
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Posted by MTA T on Tue Sep 24 09:43:34 2013, in response to Re: R44 5240 - New York Transit Museum 9/21/13, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue Sep 24 08:43:12 2013. That was a long time ago lol. I think they're somewhere in CIY now. |
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Posted by Dan on Tue Sep 24 13:19:22 2013, in response to Re: R44 5240 - New York Transit Museum 9/21/13, posted by merrick1 on Tue Sep 24 06:30:31 2013. That's right. If and when R46s show up at the NYTM it will have come full circle. Speaking of the NYTM, will the Standards ever run again or has time taken it's final toll on them. |
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Posted by Dupont Circle Station on Tue Sep 24 13:21:25 2013, in response to R44 5240 - New York Transit Museum 9/21/13, posted by Mysterious Friday 1986 on Mon Sep 23 21:00:29 2013. Nice photos. NYCTM should restore the original blue belt, bandit mask, and side signs. |
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Posted by CJ on Tue Sep 24 13:59:13 2013, in response to Re: R44 5240 - New York Transit Museum 9/21/13, posted by Dan on Tue Sep 24 13:19:22 2013. The Standards are being worked on I think. |
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Posted by Mysterious Friday 1986 on Tue Sep 24 14:18:00 2013, in response to Re: R44 5240 - New York Transit Museum 9/21/13, posted by Dupont Circle Station on Tue Sep 24 13:21:25 2013. Thanks. I was wondering something similar, if they happen to have some of the original R44 roll signs or pre-GOH ones laying around. Or if it even is possible to reinstall them since the car was overhauled. |
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Posted by Andrew Saucci on Tue Sep 24 19:10:23 2013, in response to R44 5240 - New York Transit Museum 9/21/13, posted by Mysterious Friday 1986 on Mon Sep 23 21:00:29 2013. I see that Dr. Zizmor is enshrined in history. |
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Posted by Mysterious Friday 1986 on Tue Sep 24 21:07:21 2013, in response to Re: R44 5240 - New York Transit Museum 9/21/13, posted by MTA T on Mon Sep 23 22:14:52 2013. Hmmm which reminds me. This was brought to my attention earlier today. Perhaps you saw this?http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R44_(New_York_City_Subway_car) "Cars (5286–5289) still remain as of September 2013 and are probably going to be scrapped. Car 5240-5241, however have been set aside from scrapping and are held for the New York Transit Museum." Given it's Wikipedia, that info probably shouldn't be trusted unless someone in the know can confirm this. Who writes these things anyway? As far as I know, all the R44s, minus 5240 and the 63 SIR units, are gone. |
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Posted by MTA T on Tue Sep 24 21:11:47 2013, in response to Re: R44 5240 - New York Transit Museum 9/21/13, posted by Mysterious Friday 1986 on Tue Sep 24 21:07:21 2013. Hmmm... I actually saw another R44-like car on the CIY track though. Maybe it was my eyes playing tricks with me... can't be so sure. |
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Posted by FormerVanWyckBlvdUser on Tue Sep 24 22:44:59 2013, in response to R44 5240 - New York Transit Museum 9/21/13, posted by Mysterious Friday 1986 on Mon Sep 23 21:00:29 2013. What was 5240's original car number? |
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Posted by Mysterious Friday 1986 on Tue Sep 24 22:48:07 2013, in response to Re: R44 5240 - New York Transit Museum 9/21/13, posted by FormerVanWyckBlvdUser on Tue Sep 24 22:44:59 2013. Car 5240's original car number was 172, I believe. |
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Posted by renee gil on Tue Sep 24 22:48:34 2013, in response to Re: R44 5240 - New York Transit Museum 9/21/13, posted by FormerVanWyckBlvdUser on Tue Sep 24 22:44:59 2013. 172 |
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Posted by renee gil on Tue Sep 24 22:49:47 2013, in response to Re: R44 5240 - New York Transit Museum 9/21/13, posted by FormerVanWyckBlvdUser on Tue Sep 24 22:44:59 2013. 172 became 5240 on 1/3/1992. |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Wed Sep 25 07:34:33 2013, in response to R44 5240 - New York Transit Museum 9/21/13, posted by Mysterious Friday 1986 on Mon Sep 23 21:00:29 2013. Thanks for sharing. In that lighting, I think the pics are pretty good. Do you (or anyone) know what happened to the MTA logo in pic #1? |
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Posted by Mysterious Friday 1986 on Wed Sep 25 08:32:36 2013, in response to Re: R44 5240 - New York Transit Museum 9/21/13, posted by MainR3664 on Wed Sep 25 07:34:33 2013. Thanks. Regarding the logo, this was one of a couple of cars that used a huge full-sized logo that took much of the panel space. This was removed upon presevation. |
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Posted by FormerVanWyckBlvdUser on Wed Sep 25 15:37:32 2013, in response to Re: R44 5240 - New York Transit Museum 9/21/13, posted by Mysterious Friday 1986 on Tue Sep 24 22:48:07 2013. So that unit was probably a regular on the 'A' line. I'm just guessing.My remembering of the R44s in the 70s was the lowest numbered units (100 thru about 120) were on the 'E' and 'F' lines. |
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