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When they put a R40 Slant in the Transit Museum.... |
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Posted by SLRT on Thu Aug 4 10:49:10 2005 Should it look like it does now, or as delivered without the pantographs? Or how? |
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Posted by Metropod on Thu Aug 4 10:52:49 2005, in response to When they put a R40 Slant in the Transit Museum...., posted by SLRT on Thu Aug 4 10:49:10 2005. more than likly as is |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Aug 4 10:54:57 2005, in response to When they put a R40 Slant in the Transit Museum...., posted by SLRT on Thu Aug 4 10:49:10 2005. That's a toughy. It could only be run as the first car on fantrips if they take them off (although prehaps that's where it always should be. On the other hand, for 99% of their active lives they look like they do now with the gates, etc, so maybe they should stay that way.Let's hope they save at least one! |
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Posted by Allan on Thu Aug 4 10:55:39 2005, in response to When they put a R40 Slant in the Transit Museum...., posted by SLRT on Thu Aug 4 10:49:10 2005. Of course it will depend if they have the track space for it. Some other car would probably have to be removed. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Aug 4 11:00:01 2005, in response to When they put a R40 Slant in the Transit Museum...., posted by SLRT on Thu Aug 4 10:49:10 2005. Probably it'll appear as it does now. Other museum cars were restored to their appearance when new, but the R40's underwent an extreme GOH which renders that a tough job. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Aug 4 11:01:13 2005, in response to Re: When they put a R40 Slant in the Transit Museum...., posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Aug 4 10:54:57 2005. I'm betting no slant makes the museum fleet. They have an R40M/R42 pair, and that kills 2 birds with one stone. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Aug 4 11:06:02 2005, in response to Re: When they put a R40 Slant in the Transit Museum...., posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Aug 4 11:01:13 2005. That's why I was hoping they would make that an R42-R40 pair instead. I would rather see a slant saved than a R40M saved. They can't save everything.And to save a married pair of the same car (ie, two R42s or two R40's) is silly, as you only need one of each car to be saved. They are not going to save set of each, because they are not going to want 6 cars hanging around. The mueseum really only needs one of each, and the chances of them keeping one of each class is slim, so if one must be sacrificed, I would rather see the R40M be the one not saved. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Aug 4 11:08:06 2005, in response to Re: When they put a R40 Slant in the Transit Museum...., posted by Allan on Thu Aug 4 10:55:39 2005. True, but I don't think that was his question. He was just asking if they do save an R40, should they keep the added hardware on them, or make it "as delivered". He wasn't asking if they should save one at all or not. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Aug 4 11:09:07 2005, in response to Re: When they put a R40 Slant in the Transit Museum...., posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Aug 4 11:00:01 2005. Not to mention they basically never (almost) ran in service "as delivered". It was a modification made almost right at the beginning. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Aug 4 11:11:08 2005, in response to Re: When they put a R40 Slant in the Transit Museum...., posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Aug 4 11:06:02 2005. The museum does have a single R30, but that means it cannot be operated by itself. Now that the mass of retiring cars are not single units, it's going to mean a more static museum display. Whatever R44 they choose to display will probably never run under it's own power again. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Aug 4 11:14:41 2005, in response to Re: When they put a R40 Slant in the Transit Museum...., posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Aug 4 11:09:07 2005. It's like asking to see a museum R46 with a Rockwell truck on it. I'd like to see a restored R40 slant, just because they look better without all that metalwork up front. |
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Posted by Bob Andersen on Thu Aug 4 11:20:18 2005, in response to Re: When they put a R40 Slant in the Transit Museum...., posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Aug 4 11:00:01 2005. the R40's underwent an extreme GOH which renders that a tough job.What about the Museum's BRT Gate cars. Weren't they made into Q-cars in the 1930's and then remade into gate cars again after they were retired? If they can do that, they can do anything! |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Aug 4 11:23:10 2005, in response to Re: When they put a R40 Slant in the Transit Museum...., posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Aug 4 11:11:08 2005. Couldn't they couple the R30 up with the R16 or something to make it run? I guess my hope for riding an R30 or an R16 again is sort of crushed, because now that the centenial is over, it appears the MTA has lost much of it's interest in the museum once again. If they didn't run last year, it will never run again, at least not in the near future.And you are absolutely correct, it perhaps will mean "static display", however, I can see them marrying different classes into married pairs. it's the only way to save two different classes, operable, and not have overkill by having to save two of certain classes, which is sort of redundant, especially in a world of limitted funds for maintenence, or capacity to keep them. The R44's will be a tough one. I can't see them saving more than one, and at the same time, they need to be paired, although can't be paired with the 60 foot cars. Personally, I think they will ljust completely scrap the R44 class without saving any. After all, they look almost identical to the R46's, especially in laymen's terms, and the R46's will still be running. They will probably wait to save one till when the R46's are scrapped, and save one of them. Perhaps by that time, they can attach the remaining R46 to an R68, and just save it that way in the future. |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Thu Aug 4 11:38:04 2005, in response to Re: When they put a R40 Slant in the Transit Museum...., posted by Allan on Thu Aug 4 10:55:39 2005. Of course it will depend if they have the track space for it. Some other car would probably have to be removed.That isn't such a bad thing. Is it really necessary to have two R-1/9s, three identical gate cars, and five examples of arch-roof SMEEs all under the same roof? Rotating the exhibits will make the museum more interesting and make people want to visit more often. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu Aug 4 11:40:19 2005, in response to Re: When they put a R40 Slant in the Transit Museum...., posted by Bob Andersen on Thu Aug 4 11:20:18 2005. The gate cars were re-restored to approximately their original appearance. Their roofs remain chopped because they still sit on Composite trucks, which are taller than the Peckham trucks they rode on while in service on the Flushing line. |
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Posted by SLRT on Thu Aug 4 11:45:27 2005, in response to Re: When they put a R40 Slant in the Transit Museum...., posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu Aug 4 11:40:19 2005. The trucks aren't the significant difference. Brooklyn el cars were higher than subway cars, typically 13'6" or so, so there were certain subway lines the Q's couldn't run on, complicating moves between the Eastern Division and Coney Island shops. |
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Posted by SLRT on Thu Aug 4 11:48:44 2005, in response to Re: When they put a R40 Slant in the Transit Museum...., posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Aug 4 11:01:13 2005. I take it as a given that, unless they give up adding to the museum fleet, a slant will be there. Whether you like the car or not, it is unique to the fleet, visibly so, and was designed by a famous design team. It also marked the NYCTA's first attempt at aesthetic design, marking a turning point in design philosophy. |
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Posted by SUBWAYMAN on Thu Aug 4 11:51:58 2005, in response to Re: When they put a R40 Slant in the Transit Museum...., posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Aug 4 11:14:41 2005. It's like asking to see a museum R46 with a Rockwell truck on it.Did the Rockwell truck give a comfortable ride on the R46 trains? |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Aug 4 13:41:30 2005, in response to When they put a R40 Slant in the Transit Museum...., posted by SLRT on Thu Aug 4 10:49:10 2005. Only one car of one pair should be restored (as much as possible) to "as delivered." That way that car could be the front of the train and the other car in the pair could couple to other cars and the storm door could be unlocked, as it is now. |
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Posted by Avid Reader on Thu Aug 4 15:15:34 2005, in response to Re: When they put a R40 Slant in the Transit Museum...., posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Aug 4 11:23:10 2005. Send a pair of R44-B's to the Soac cars, then maybe...... |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Thu Aug 4 15:54:00 2005, in response to When they put a R40 Slant in the Transit Museum...., posted by SLRT on Thu Aug 4 10:49:10 2005. what about restoring a r 32 and 38 to original "roll sign"and light markers etc ? also did i miss a r 22-21 car there as well ? |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Thu Aug 4 16:38:23 2005, in response to Re: When they put a R40 Slant in the Transit Museum...., posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Thu Aug 4 15:54:00 2005. also did i miss a r 22-21 car there as well ?You missed it. 7371 was in the Museum briefly, filling in for the R-15. It's in Maine now.    
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Posted by Broadway Junction on Thu Aug 4 17:12:54 2005, in response to When they put a R40 Slant in the Transit Museum...., posted by SLRT on Thu Aug 4 10:49:10 2005. Take an R40 pair and an R40M pair, split them up and marry them to each other. That way you can remove the pantograph gates and still have a train. It would make a great fantrip train (a bullet train, essentially) until the next car class has to be made room for, at which time one of the two pairs would be scrapped. The other would be retained. |
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Posted by Booge on Thu Aug 4 18:14:22 2005, in response to When they put a R40 Slant in the Transit Museum...., posted by SLRT on Thu Aug 4 10:49:10 2005. EXACTLY as delivered, before the relality of safely operating in regular service crept in. Raymond Lowy designed a very good looking car and this effort should be what gets put in the TM. Problem is, the buckage needed to restore the car back to its original condition may kill this idea. Perhaps Shore Line can acquire one with the goal of restoring it to like-new condition, alothough it will take an eon for them to do, with their huge backlog of car restorations. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Aug 4 18:18:55 2005, in response to Re: When they put a R40 Slant in the Transit Museum...., posted by Booge on Thu Aug 4 18:14:22 2005. I don't think it would cost that much to restore the front ends to "as delivered." Just forget about putting back in the exp/lcl lamps and everything else is a piece of cake, IMHO. |
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Posted by Booge on Thu Aug 4 18:21:58 2005, in response to Re: When they put a R40 Slant in the Transit Museum...., posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Aug 4 18:18:55 2005. Ripping out all of the metalwork added after 1967 and covering over all traces of it would probably be expensive. |
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Posted by SLRT on Thu Aug 4 18:36:15 2005, in response to Re: When they put a R40 Slant in the Transit Museum...., posted by Booge on Thu Aug 4 18:21:58 2005. If a kid armed with body filler, paint and tools can restore a '57 Thunderbird, the TA should be able to restore an R40 front with raising the fare. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Aug 4 21:01:48 2005, in response to Re: When they put a R40 Slant in the Transit Museum...., posted by SLRT on Thu Aug 4 18:36:15 2005. IAWTP |
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Posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Thu Aug 4 21:04:00 2005, in response to Re: When they put a R40 Slant in the Transit Museum...., posted by Allan on Thu Aug 4 10:55:39 2005. The R40 can be stored outside, since it's mostly stainless steel. I think they should keep at least four pair, enough to make a museum consist.wayne |
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Posted by R32 on Thu Aug 4 21:20:01 2005, in response to When they put a R40 Slant in the Transit Museum...., posted by SLRT on Thu Aug 4 10:49:10 2005. Call me weird, but I like the pantograph gates and all the hardware; a battleship stance.... for I am too young to remember the clean-shaven slants. I do, however, remember the booty-faced r-40M/42's - albeit vaguely. I have an affinity to pantograph gates as they punctuate the exterior - even if the application is useless (like some commuter cars).R-32. |
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Posted by R32 on Thu Aug 4 21:28:26 2005, in response to Re: When they put a R40 Slant in the Transit Museum...., posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Aug 4 11:23:10 2005. "Perhaps by that time, they can attach the remaining R46 to an R68, and just save it that way in the future.Whoa... remember that the r-68's are single - completely single (cabs and everything). As for the 44/46's, can't the A car run without the B car, and vice-versa? In Staten Island, amongst their fleet of 4-car sets, I got on a train with three A cars and only one B car. R-32. |
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Posted by R32 on Thu Aug 4 21:32:08 2005, in response to Re: When they put a R40 Slant in the Transit Museum...., posted by SUBWAYMAN on Thu Aug 4 11:51:58 2005. Not from what I heard from this board.R-32. |
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Posted by Richard Rabinowitz on Thu Aug 4 23:40:15 2005, in response to Re: When they put a R40 Slant in the Transit Museum...., posted by R32 on Thu Aug 4 21:28:26 2005. Besides, if worst comes to worst, couldn't they buy/rig some kinda locomotive to run the cars with? (Or at least a few MU-type cars...) |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Fri Aug 5 00:00:49 2005, in response to Re: When they put a R40 Slant in the Transit Museum...., posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Thu Aug 4 16:38:23 2005. aaaaaaaawww........nice very glad 2 hear that ! now putting the R 32 -38 with thier ROLLSIGNS and lights markers ........back ! yea ! thankz 4 the pics cauz i am 4000 miles away from home .. |
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Posted by Fred G on Fri Aug 5 00:41:53 2005, in response to When they put a R40 Slant in the Transit Museum...., posted by SLRT on Thu Aug 4 10:49:10 2005. I say as originally delivered and lose the 'braces'.   Above photos from nyc.subway.org your pal, Fred |
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Posted by SUBWAYMAN on Fri Aug 5 01:10:06 2005, in response to Re: When they put a R40 Slant in the Transit Museum...., posted by Fred G on Fri Aug 5 00:41:53 2005. ISAWTP. :-) |
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Posted by Richard Rabinowitz on Fri Aug 5 01:17:52 2005, in response to Re: When they put a R40 Slant in the Transit Museum...., posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Thu Aug 4 11:38:04 2005. IAWTP |
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Posted by South Ferry on Fri Aug 5 01:35:22 2005, in response to Re: When they put a R40 Slant in the Transit Museum...., posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Thu Aug 4 11:38:04 2005. A SMEE a day keeps the Rmadillo the F AWAY. |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Fri Aug 5 01:50:02 2005, in response to Re: When they put a R40 Slant in the Transit Museum...., posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Thu Aug 4 16:38:23 2005. to Re: to RIPTA42HopeTunnel -http://www.hopetunnel.org ................................. i linked your webpage to mine thankz please add my site to your links westcoast railfan site etc.. thankz ................ http://www.salaamallah.com/modules/mylinks/ ......................... http://www.salaamallah.com/ ................  
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Re: R-22-21..# 7371 in Mane? |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Fri Aug 5 01:55:36 2005, in response to Re: When they put a R40 Slant in the Transit Museum...., posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Thu Aug 4 16:38:23 2005. woah ! right besides the R-10 trucks !nice ! Re: R-22-21..# 7371 in Mane? they moved it to mane ? any left in nyc ? |
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Posted by R30A on Fri Aug 5 01:56:38 2005, in response to Re: R-22-21..# 7371 in Mane?, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Fri Aug 5 01:55:36 2005. No. I am pretty sure they did not leave any of the car behind. |
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Re: R-22-21..# 7371 in Mane? |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Fri Aug 5 01:59:25 2005, in response to Re: R-22-21..# 7371 in Mane?, posted by R30A on Fri Aug 5 01:56:38 2005. correctionare any R 21 - 22 cars left in the NYC area for museum runs ? 7371 is gone to a museum outside of NYC .........k........ ( at least she is saved ) ................however .... but are they any sisters left behind ? in NYC ...... |
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Posted by SLRT on Fri Aug 5 04:42:05 2005, in response to Re: When they put a R40 Slant in the Transit Museum...., posted by SUBWAYMAN on Fri Aug 5 01:10:06 2005. .do. |
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Re: R-22-21..# 7371 in Mane? |
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Posted by R30A on Fri Aug 5 07:16:16 2005, in response to Re: R-22-21..# 7371 in Mane?, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Fri Aug 5 01:59:25 2005. Loads. almost all remaining work cars are either R22 or R33. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Aug 5 12:17:20 2005, in response to Re: When they put a R40 Slant in the Transit Museum...., posted by SUBWAYMAN on Thu Aug 4 11:51:58 2005. Before my time. However, I doubt it. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Aug 5 12:19:38 2005, in response to Re: When they put a R40 Slant in the Transit Museum...., posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Aug 4 11:23:10 2005. R16's and R30's have been paired before. It's possible, but would anyone (including Bill Wall) go through all that trouble just for fantrips? |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Aug 5 12:25:45 2005, in response to Re: When they put a R40 Slant in the Transit Museum...., posted by Bob Andersen on Thu Aug 4 11:20:18 2005. The gate cars were a compromise. They still retain Q-type aspects. What I don't see happening is an R40 with a restored interior (fans, blue seats, checkered floor, rubber sealed doors, old single roll signs, etc). I'd love it, especially if it could be mechanically restored to pre-GOH specs. I miss that distinctive Darth Vader sounding airbrake that the R40 and R42's had. |
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Posted by FYBklyn1959 on Fri Aug 5 13:57:18 2005, in response to Re: When they put a R40 Slant in the Transit Museum...., posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Aug 5 12:25:45 2005. I miss that distinctive Darth Vader sounding airbrake that the R40 and R42's had.I think the 38s had them also, but I could be mistaken about that. I miss them too. :( When I read about the GOH and heard that the original braking system had been replaced (w/ one from New York Air Brake), I knew that was the end of the Vader brakes, which was confirmed upon my next visit to NYC. What was also cool with the Vader brakes, when the T/O would dump, instead of the CHA! sound you'd get with the older SMEEs, it would sound like the train was sneezing :) |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Aug 5 13:59:13 2005, in response to Re: When they put a R40 Slant in the Transit Museum...., posted by FYBklyn1959 on Fri Aug 5 13:57:18 2005. Some people say the R38's did as well, but I honestly can't recall them having it. By the time I started riding the system the R38's were starting to undergo GOH and were not common sights. |
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Posted by FYBklyn1959 on Fri Aug 5 14:54:47 2005, in response to Re: When they put a R40 Slant in the Transit Museum...., posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Aug 5 13:59:13 2005. The only reason I'm fairly sure that the 38s had them as b/c I was a student at John Dewey HS during the 1974-75 school year, and in the fall of 74, 3950-3999 (minus 3990/1, which had already been lost in a accident a few years earlier) were assigned to the N, and I used to hear the DV brakes as a s/b N train would pass by coming from 86 St (the athletic field at JDHS goes right up to the Sea Beach ROW). But that was 30 years ago, maybe my memory isn't 100% accurate. |
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