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Posted by Broadway Lion on Mon Mar 11 07:32:58 2013, in response to 4-Car D Train?, posted by renee gil on Mon Mar 11 06:27:48 2013. The same time that the weekends got longer? |
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Posted by MTA T on Mon Mar 11 08:58:54 2013, in response to 4-Car D Train?, posted by renee gil on Mon Mar 11 06:27:48 2013. Somewhere in the late 1990s I believe (before 2000 but maybe after 1995). |
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Posted by BLE-NIMX on Mon Mar 11 11:01:43 2013, in response to 4-Car D Train?, posted by renee gil on Mon Mar 11 06:27:48 2013. That was a VERY short stint, IIRC only two or three weekends. Trains were consistantly running late and many were given skips to overcrowding. I was working weekends at the time and was no lunching half the time on those trips |
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Posted by Lord Vader on Mon Mar 11 13:12:05 2013, in response to 4-Car D Train?, posted by renee gil on Mon Mar 11 06:27:48 2013. I rode a 4-car D only once. I remember when they had those cards mentioning the short trains. The 4 was the only line with a full consist.Vader |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Mar 11 17:33:53 2013, in response to 4-Car D Train?, posted by renee gil on Mon Mar 11 06:27:48 2013. In 1993, the MTA embarked on a "showcase" program in which the A and D ran 4 car trains of 75 ft cars on a slightly shorter headway on weekends. On several weekends during that time, I was sent to various locations along the A and D lines to monitor the on time performance or lack thereof on those lines. Around that same time the MTA also issued new sat and Sun timetables for the N and R which at the time were both running local between Lex/60 St Manh and 59/4 Bkln which shortened the headway with the intention or running 4 car trains of 75 footers on those lines. The N work program was even cut in such a way that crews on Astoria putins originating at C/Hall Yd were supposed to bring an 8 car train to Astoria and cut it on the stand to make 2 X 4 car intervals. It never worked properly because at the time, while the weekend R was 100% R-46, the N had a mixed fleet of R-68s and 32s and although, all the R-32s were supposed to be laid up over the weekend leaving a 100% weekend R-68 fleet, it was never done so the N ran 600 ft trains anyhow. Now that the N is 100% R-160, while the operation could be done, with the N now running exp in Bkln and via the Manny B, 4 car R-46 R trains wouldn't be able to handle the passenger loads. |
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Posted by renee gil on Mon Mar 11 22:40:30 2013, in response to Re: 4-Car D Train?, posted by Broadway Lion on Mon Mar 11 07:32:58 2013. : ) |
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Posted by renee gil on Mon Mar 11 22:43:27 2013, in response to Re: 4-Car D Train?, posted by MTA T on Mon Mar 11 08:58:54 2013. Ok. Thanks. |
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Posted by renee gil on Mon Mar 11 22:46:27 2013, in response to Re: 4-Car D Train?, posted by MTA T on Mon Mar 11 08:58:54 2013. Interesting. I know weekend C trains (168th-WTC) were 4 cars long (in the 90's). |
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Posted by renee gil on Mon Mar 11 22:47:04 2013, in response to Re: 4-Car D Train?, posted by BLE-NIMX on Mon Mar 11 11:01:43 2013. Interesting. Thanks. |
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Posted by renee gil on Mon Mar 11 22:48:57 2013, in response to Re: 4-Car D Train?, posted by randyo on Mon Mar 11 17:33:53 2013. I know weekend 7 trains were running 6 car trains as late as 1981-82.The same goes with the weekend RR service. |
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Posted by randyo on Tue Mar 12 02:47:31 2013, in response to Re: 4-Car D Train?, posted by renee gil on Mon Mar 11 22:48:57 2013. I wasn't aware that the RR cut train lengths back then since when I was a M/M on the RR in 1969 and 1970, 8 car trains were operated on weekends. |
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Posted by Far Rockaway A Train on Tue Mar 12 09:07:55 2013, in response to 4-Car D Train?, posted by renee gil on Mon Mar 11 06:27:48 2013. Wow. I miss the R68As on the "D". |
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Posted by Mr. D - Type on Tue Mar 12 09:18:25 2013, in response to Re: 4-Car D Train?, posted by randyo on Mon Mar 11 17:33:53 2013. I recall riding those 4 car R68's on the D and it was worse then rush hours. |
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Posted by Gene B. on Tue Mar 12 11:19:26 2013, in response to 4-Car D Train?, posted by renee gil on Mon Mar 11 06:27:48 2013. Is it possible that four car shuttle trains might be a temporary answer to the situation posted on this site with regard to the R shuttle not running frequently enough during late night hours resulting in a long wait at 59th St? |
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Posted by JRF2 on Tue Mar 12 11:56:43 2013, in response to Re: 4-Car D Train?, posted by Mr. D - Type on Tue Mar 12 09:18:25 2013. +1 |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Tue Mar 12 18:31:14 2013, in response to Re: 4-Car D Train?, posted by renee gil on Mon Mar 11 22:46:27 2013. Yup, right up until they extended them to Euclid on weekends. |
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Posted by Westcode44 on Wed Mar 13 00:30:22 2013, in response to Re: 4-Car D Train?, posted by randyo on Tue Mar 12 02:47:31 2013. R16/R27/30&42.?WE-44 |
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Posted by Westcode44 on Wed Mar 13 00:33:53 2013, in response to Re: 4-Car D Train?, posted by randyo on Mon Mar 11 17:33:53 2013. Also note the headway on weekends was 6 minutes during the time they were cut to 4 cars. The objective was to run more trains, it also cost more to provide this service.WE-44 |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Mar 13 04:22:24 2013, in response to Re: 4-Car D Train?, posted by Westcode44 on Wed Mar 13 00:30:22 2013. One Sunday in early 1970 when I was working the RR, I had a train composed of 2 R-42s 1 R-16, 2 R-27s, 1 R-16 and 2 R-42s. It ran like S**t and it got so slow that it went O/S N/B at Lex/60 St ran light to Astoria and light back to 36/4 where it was taken by a drill M/M to CIYd. |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Mar 13 04:25:33 2013, in response to Re: 4-Car D Train?, posted by Westcode44 on Wed Mar 13 00:33:53 2013. That's true and vet though it ran shorter trains, it was a stretch to make weekend service. |
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Posted by 5119 on Wed Mar 13 09:28:56 2013, in response to Re: 4-Car D Train?, posted by randyo on Wed Mar 13 04:22:24 2013. D train ran 4 cars in the wee hours back in 1964 |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Mar 13 17:01:38 2013, in response to Re: 4-Car D Train?, posted by 5119 on Wed Mar 13 09:28:56 2013. That was pre Chrystie. The cars service patterns on the IND were interesting to say the least. A and D trains cut from 10 to 8 cars after the PM rush and then to 4 cars on the midnight. E and F trains not only did the same but I recall the Queens expresses cut to 8 cars midday. CC locals ran 10 cars in the peak and 8 cars on the shoulder. AA locals ran 3 cars on the midnight, added to 6 cars for the early part of the AM rush and then BBs added to 8 cars. Midday returning AAs added to 6 car BBs for the shoulder and 8 cars for the peak, cutting back again to 3 cars for the late PM into the midnight. I'm not sure what Queens did with the GGs but I would imagine that the car service pattern was similar to the AA/BB. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Wed Mar 13 18:37:30 2013, in response to Re: 4-Car D Train?, posted by 5119 on Wed Mar 13 09:28:56 2013. In the summer of 1982 I had no choice but to pick midnights on the D. Most weeknights, barring big GO's, 4 car R40M/42 were operated. |
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Posted by Westcode44 on Wed Mar 13 18:49:00 2013, in response to Re: 4-Car D Train?, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Wed Mar 13 18:37:30 2013. I was a kid when I saw your there,, :)WE-44 |
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Posted by Westcode44 on Wed Mar 13 18:51:57 2013, in response to Re: 4-Car D Train?, posted by randyo on Wed Mar 13 04:22:24 2013. Wow Drill M/M @ a gap station.?WE-44 |
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Posted by b1bus on Wed Mar 13 19:10:46 2013, in response to 4-Car D Train?, posted by renee gil on Mon Mar 11 06:27:48 2013. I used to do a Lunch Relief job out of Ocean Parkway overnights, when the main booth was closed for reconstruction, during the winter months around 2000, or so.There was NO indicator, and at 1am, I had to run down towards the front of the platform to make the train, (or make the train wait for me). 1 night that train was skipped, and I just waited in the cold. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Wed Mar 13 19:21:50 2013, in response to Re: 4-Car D Train?, posted by Westcode44 on Wed Mar 13 18:51:57 2013. 95th St. dipatcher probably d/h'ed his drill man there to pick up the train, then d/h the crew back to 95. |
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Posted by 5119 on Wed Mar 13 20:11:02 2013, in response to Re: 4-Car D Train?, posted by randyo on Wed Mar 13 17:01:38 2013. I Know, because back in 1965, I forgot to set me clock back. I would usually get to Dewitt Clinton HS at 7:40AM. Got on a D train at 170th Street, got off at Bedford Park Blvd. and went the train left, it only had 4 cars. I had gotten off the train at 6:29AM. Never forgot to set my clock again. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Mar 13 21:36:33 2013, in response to Re: 4-Car D Train?, posted by 5119 on Wed Mar 13 20:11:02 2013. Another alma mater! I got out of there in 1968. :) |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Thu Mar 14 00:52:27 2013, in response to Re: 4-Car D Train?, posted by Mr. D - Type on Tue Mar 12 09:18:25 2013. I remember the 4-car A trains and I can vouch for that there. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Thu Mar 14 00:53:39 2013, in response to Re: 4-Car D Train?, posted by renee gil on Mon Mar 11 22:46:27 2013. There was a time when C trains were only 240 feet long in the 1990s. |
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Posted by randyo on Thu Mar 14 03:21:32 2013, in response to Re: 4-Car D Train?, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Wed Mar 13 19:21:50 2013. That's exactly what happened! |
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Posted by Far Rockaway A Train on Thu Mar 14 03:26:32 2013, in response to Re: 4-Car D Train?, posted by renee gil on Mon Mar 11 22:46:27 2013. Around 1991/1992, the "C" operated 4 car trains all times except rush hours. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Thu Mar 14 04:33:02 2013, in response to Re: 4-Car D Train?, posted by Gene B. on Tue Mar 12 11:19:26 2013. No. |
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Posted by 5119 on Thu Mar 14 09:19:56 2013, in response to Re: 4-Car D Train?, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Mar 13 21:36:33 2013. Remember the Gym teacher nicknamed "Slave Driver Garber." Always had us performing the 8 count burpie excercise |
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Posted by Dan Lawrence on Thu Mar 14 12:06:11 2013, in response to Re: 4-Car D Train?, posted by Broadway Lion on Mon Mar 11 07:32:58 2013. You know the weekends are 24 hours each, just like every day of every week. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Mar 14 12:46:46 2013, in response to Re: 4-Car D Train?, posted by 5119 on Thu Mar 14 09:19:56 2013. Oh HELL yeah ... Garber, who also took care of "zero period" ... my fave was Bramesco, "Mr. Science" who would ensure the entire third floor smelled of brimstone, and then ran laughing through the halls. He was a pharmacist when he wasn't teaching. Great guy too. Anything he touched blew up.We fixed Garber's buns senior year 1968 ... took his Volkswagen apart and reassembled it on top of desks on the third floor. Heh. |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Mar 14 14:18:41 2013, in response to Re: 4-Car D Train?, posted by randyo on Wed Mar 13 17:01:38 2013. Weekends had 6 car E and F's.Until the mid-1960's weekend GG was 3 cars, then 4 cars in the late 60's. |
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Posted by randyo on Thu Mar 14 17:05:46 2013, in response to Re: 4-Car D Train?, posted by Joe V on Thu Mar 14 14:18:41 2013. Although I didn't frequent Queens on weekends in the 1960s, I was under the impression that Saturday GGs like Saturday AAs ran 4 cars an only ran 3 cars nights and Sundays. I also think that weekend Es and Fs ran 8 cars rather than 6. |
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Posted by randyo on Thu Mar 14 17:11:49 2013, in response to Re: 4-Car D Train?, posted by Gene B. on Tue Mar 12 11:19:26 2013. Actually, when the present service pattern reducing the R to a midnight shuttle started, the shuttles were 4 cars except when running a single track operation between 95 and 59/4. When I wasn't sure if a single track was in effect at night, if I observed an 8 car shuttle coming into 59 N/B. I would immediately go the the N/B platform to get the shuttle back to 95. After the temporary post 9/11 service modifications, all midnight R shuttles became 8 cars. |
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Posted by 5119 on Thu Mar 14 20:54:30 2013, in response to Re: 4-Car D Train?, posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Mar 14 12:46:46 2013. And "little" Mr. Schwartz, wh gave out the bus cards. Mr. Graple and Mr. Mozer were my favorite music teacher and I had Mr. Halvey as my home room teacher in 1967. |
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Posted by 5119 on Thu Mar 14 21:00:54 2013, in response to Re: 4-Car D Train?, posted by 5119 on Thu Mar 14 20:54:30 2013. Interesting how I chose DeWitt clinton HS. I didn't know where it was located until May of 1963. When I found out,riding a brand new TDH 5303 up Morris avenue, I chose it so I could ride the Lo-V's on the Jerome Avenue Line. Unfortunately, the Lo-V's were removed from service on 12/23/1963. ( Rode my last one on 12/13/1943, (it was a snowy friday) I didn't start attending Clinton until 9/64. If I were only born 6 years earlier. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Mar 14 21:03:47 2013, in response to Re: 4-Car D Train?, posted by 5119 on Thu Mar 14 20:54:30 2013. Wow ... yeah! Forgot about Schwartz and the mighty G.O. Didn't have Graple or Mozer, but Halvey and I were tight. Another class act. And whoda ever thunk our Principal, Albert Shanker, would make something of himself? Heh. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Mar 14 21:09:22 2013, in response to Re: 4-Car D Train?, posted by 5119 on Thu Mar 14 21:00:54 2013. Same year I went in. PM session. I came over on the bus from Kingsbridge. I'd qualified for Bronx Science, but was told that the teachers were better at Clinton since I was interested in electronics. I'm trying to remember the name of the bald guy who was the physics teacher. After talking to them over there, went to Clinton instead. Glad I made the choice. Great school as long as you paid attention and showed up. :)Sadly, didn't live far enough away to get a train pass. |
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Posted by VictorM on Thu Mar 14 21:29:31 2013, in response to Re: 4-Car D Train?, posted by randyo on Thu Mar 14 17:05:46 2013. Yes, the Saturday GG's ran only 3 cars in those days. I remember one memorable incident at Roosevelt Av where a drunk tried to get on the last dooor of a packed last car. He blocked the door and refused to push his way in or get off. After several tries the conductor got disgusted and overrode the door relay, so the train took off with the drunk half in, half out. Fortunately (for both the drunk and the conductor) the car swayed a little as it left the station so the drunk lurched into the car and the door closed behind him, instead of him falling back onto the platform. |
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Posted by Handbrake on Thu Mar 14 23:32:32 2013, in response to Re: 4-Car D Train?, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Mar 13 21:36:33 2013. Breakfast at Gym Three during Zero period. Class of 1969, Joe Prez FBAlumni |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Mar 14 23:42:28 2013, in response to Re: 4-Car D Train?, posted by Handbrake on Thu Mar 14 23:32:32 2013. Heh. Atta boy! First one up to the top of the tower loses! :) |
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Posted by randyo on Fri Mar 15 16:36:33 2013, in response to Re: 4-Car D Train?, posted by VictorM on Thu Mar 14 21:29:31 2013. What time of day on Saturday are you talking about. If it was late enough in the PM it could have been the normal PM car service. If I reemember, the AAs cut to 3 after around 600PM. |
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Posted by 5119 on Fri Mar 15 22:48:59 2013, in response to Re: 4-Car D Train?, posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Mar 14 21:03:47 2013. Walter Degnan was the Principal when I was there |
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