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Re: Polo grounds shuttle was to be connected to Lenox Line |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Wed Oct 17 07:36:05 2012, in response to Re: Polo grounds shuttle was to be connected to Lenox Line, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Oct 16 19:09:46 2012. Would not matter if I got to do a re-build:What I would be looking at doing is connecting the (3) to that line in a way that would include a Yankee Stadium stop that would give west side IRT riders a new option to get to the Stadium (taking the 3 instead of the 2 to the 4) plus allow the (4) to access the 7th Avenue line in an emergency. |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Wed Oct 17 08:24:25 2012, in response to Re: Polo grounds shuttle was to be connected to Lenox Line, posted by G1Ravage on Tue Oct 16 21:18:12 2012. Except that massive construction or reconstruction can't be justified (IMO) just for emergencies. Maybe some "reverse signalling" can be done, but rebuilding the el stub, the Putnam Bridge and modifying the Sedgwick Tunnel would be too much.But It can be worthwhile to preserve former revenue trackage (such as the Nassau St connection to Montague tunnel, the South Ferry Loops) for emergencies or even re-use someday. The at owuld've been a good reason to keep more tracks near Atlantic Avenue- Broadway Junction area. |
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Posted by Lou From Middletown NY on Wed Oct 17 08:38:00 2012, in response to Re: Polo grounds shuttle was to be connected to Lenox Line, posted by Wallyhorse on Wed Oct 17 07:23:47 2012. I think part of it was that in 1957/8, there was no real regular long distance jet travel yet, but by 61, when the Angels were created, the 707 and DC-9 were both well established for coast to coast flights.Both the 707 and DC-9 came out in 58, and it took a while for the airlines to get them on domestic flights. |
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Posted by FYBklyn1959 on Wed Oct 17 09:10:51 2012, in response to Re: Polo grounds shuttle was to be connected to Lenox Line, posted by Lou From Middletown NY on Wed Oct 17 08:38:00 2012. That should be "DC-8". DC-9 came out in the mid-60s, and (thanks to Delta) is still flying today :) |
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Posted by Lou From Middletown NY on Wed Oct 17 09:11:36 2012, in response to Re: Polo grounds shuttle was to be connected to Lenox Line, posted by FYBklyn1959 on Wed Oct 17 09:10:51 2012. oops - you are correct sir...mistyped |
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Posted by Dyre Dan on Wed Oct 17 10:03:27 2012, in response to Re: Polo grounds shuttle was to be connected to Lenox Line, posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Oct 16 17:39:33 2012. Was it really the actual walls of the tunnel, or might cutting back the width of the catwalk have made enough room?How far beyond the sides of an IRT car does the third rail extend? Is the third rail completely underneath a B-division car? |
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Posted by tunnelrat on Wed Oct 17 11:27:46 2012, in response to Re: Polo grounds shuttle was to be connected to Lenox Line, posted by SLRT on Tue Oct 16 20:56:59 2012. picky,picky,picky. hey,I was only 14 years old,maybe younger.could have been in 1956 I rode them. |
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Posted by Dyre Dan on Wed Oct 17 12:04:53 2012, in response to Re: Polo grounds shuttle was to be connected to Lenox Line, posted by Wallyhorse on Wed Oct 17 07:31:43 2012. There is just no demand to do anything like that. Anyway, the 3 turns west north of 145th, so having it turn east again and go to the Bronx would be a pretty twisty route.If any construction is to be done on the 3 north of the split with the 2, extend the platforms at 145th St. to accommodate 10-car trains. There should be room between the current south end of the station and the junction with the 2 at 142nd St. And maybe build a passenger crossunder at 135th St. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Oct 17 13:31:06 2012, in response to Re: Polo grounds shuttle was to be connected to Lenox Line, posted by Wallyhorse on Wed Oct 17 07:23:47 2012. That's why O'Malley lobbied Stoneman so hard about relocating to the West Coast with the Dodgers. If the Dodgers moved to LA by themselves, they'd have absolutely no teams in the western timezone to play on the road. Doesn't sound like a big deal today, but in 1957 the primary mode of transportation for most baseball teams was still by train, and even a flight in a propeller driven aircraft to a central time zone team like the Cubs or Braves took 8-9 hours. To this day there still an inherit handicap to a western timezone baseball team travelling to an east coast city. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Oct 17 13:33:37 2012, in response to Re: Polo grounds shuttle was to be connected to Lenox Line, posted by MainR3664 on Wed Oct 17 08:24:25 2012. Agreed. The only connection that would have made sense would have been to the 3rd/Webster Ave el, and that would have been significantly more expensive. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Oct 17 13:35:48 2012, in response to Re: Polo grounds shuttle was to be connected to Lenox Line, posted by randyo on Tue Oct 16 16:02:41 2012. West Farms always had two terminals (Bronx Park/E241st, later Dyre/E241st). Trains could have been turned at Burnside, but that's a single track terminal which would have hampered capacity.Once the IND was open nearby, the Jerome Ave el didn't require any more than the Lex service(s). |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Oct 17 13:38:12 2012, in response to Re: Polo grounds shuttle was to be connected to Lenox Line, posted by Asgard on Tue Oct 16 13:56:46 2012. Those trains turned at 167th, except during rush hours when it was extended to Woodlawn. Not all 9th Ave service ran to the Bronx, only some of it did. You'd be hard pressed to squeeze in the additional service a Lenox connection would have required. Even harder justifying it based on demand. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Oct 17 13:39:48 2012, in response to Re: Polo grounds shuttle was to be connected to Lenox Line, posted by Stephen Bauman on Tue Oct 16 15:16:01 2012. Ditto, but after 1940 you'd have to think Putnam line riders would have used the transfer at High Bridge to get trains into GCT. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Oct 17 13:54:51 2012, in response to Re: Polo grounds shuttle was to be connected to Lenox Line, posted by Wallyhorse on Wed Oct 17 07:19:08 2012. Every station would have required platform extension (given their close proximity, some could be closed). The el structure itself below Fordham Road would have required some shoring up. Yes, massively expensive in an era where elevated were seen as obsolete and undesirable and in an area of the city declining rapidly. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Oct 17 13:56:56 2012, in response to Re: Polo grounds shuttle was to be connected to Lenox Line, posted by chud1 on Wed Oct 17 04:34:22 2012. Mr Cudahy did a great job photographing el lines at the end of their service lives or just after their closures. His photos of the 3rd Ave el in the Bronx 6 months after service ended are particularly poignant. Els don't immediately disappear after closure. |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Oct 17 14:06:52 2012, in response to Re: Polo grounds shuttle was to be connected to Lenox Line, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Oct 16 19:06:59 2012. Those are Steinways. The red line under the number is a dead giveaway. When the Steinways were transferred from the Queens IRT lines to the IRT mainline, a red line was inserted under the car number to distinguish them from standard Lo Vs with which they were incompatible due to the different gearing on the Steinways. The 2 cars in these photos are from a small group of flivver trailers that were converted to Steinway motors along with another group of standard Lo-V trailers in 1929. |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Oct 17 14:15:05 2012, in response to Re: Polo grounds shuttle was to be connected to Lenox Line, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Oct 17 13:38:12 2012. For most of the time that 6 and 9 Av service ran to the Bronx, they terminated at Burnside Av rather than Woodlawn. For a short period of time after the 9 Av El in Manhattan was torn down, service ran between Burnside and 155 St wit 3 car trains of composites. Later on (I'M not sure of the exact chronology) the service was reduced to operation between 167 St and 155 St with 2 car trains of Composites and later 2 car trains of Hi-Vs and eventually Steinways. As I mentioned in another post on this topic, the additional service from Lenox would not have impacted on Jerome service any more than the 7 Av/West Farms service impacted on Lex/West Farms service and could possibly have even been operated as an express S/O Burnside to provide a smoother divergence/merge S/O 167 St. |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Oct 17 14:18:34 2012, in response to Re: Polo grounds shuttle was to be connected to Lenox Line, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Oct 17 13:35:48 2012. Turning trains at Burnside wouldn't have been any different from turning 7 Av trains at E 180 after the West Farms sour was torn down. In the AM, put ins could come directly out of Mosholu Yd and gone in service directly at Bedford Pk. |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Oct 17 14:20:43 2012, in response to Re: Polo grounds shuttle was to be connected to Lenox Line, posted by MainR3664 on Wed Oct 17 08:24:25 2012. I agree about Atlantic Av. The MTA should have rebuilt the structure into a 3 track 2 island platform station similar to Whitehall St so that some service could be turned there if necessary. |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Oct 17 14:22:09 2012, in response to Re: Polo grounds shuttle was to be connected to Lenox Line, posted by SLRT on Tue Oct 16 20:56:59 2012. True, but they had to be maintained as a separate fleet since they could not run in trains with standard Lo-Vs. |
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Posted by Michael549 on Wed Oct 17 14:24:08 2012, in response to Re: Polo grounds shuttle was to be connected to Lenox Line, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Oct 17 13:35:48 2012. Unless I'm an very mistaken, I believe that the Eighth Avenue IND subway was built as a way to "kill" the Ninth Avenue and Sixth Avenue elevated lines. Did not the "city" suggest in several ways that there would be no more building or expansions of the IRT lines.The building and opening of those IND lines in the 1930's would suggest that by the late 1950 and early 1960's when there are closures of the Polo Grounds Shuttle - very little else would be built. The city was in the mode of removing transit lines, not adding to them. The building of the transfer station between the #4 and the then CC and D trains (now B and D trains) at Yankee Stadium provided westside Manhattan access to/from the westside of the Bronx, just like the #2 train at 149th Street-Grand Concourse. There's no major reason to HAVE TO connect the #3 train to the #4 between Harlem and the west Bronx. Just my thoughts. Mike |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Oct 17 14:24:27 2012, in response to Re: Polo grounds shuttle was to be connected to Lenox Line, posted by Wallyhorse on Wed Oct 17 07:31:43 2012. With the relocation of the new Yankee Stadium, the station could probably have been built just west of the curve onto the Jerome Line possibly allowing Anderson/Jerome to be closed. |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Oct 17 14:27:06 2012, in response to Re: Polo grounds shuttle was to be connected to Lenox Line, posted by Michael549 on Wed Oct 17 14:24:08 2012. Prior to unification that would probably have been the case. However once the city took over the IRT and BMT, all the money would now be going into the same pot so making the existing IRT and BMT lines more efficient would no longer compromise the financial status of the City B of T. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Oct 17 14:29:23 2012, in response to Re: Polo grounds shuttle was to be connected to Lenox Line, posted by Michael549 on Wed Oct 17 14:24:08 2012. I agree. I would like to see how much the two shuttle station (Sedgwick, Anderson) were used. Maintaining service to these two stations is the only justification for doing it. |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Oct 17 14:30:33 2012, in response to Re: Polo grounds shuttle was to be connected to Lenox Line, posted by Newkirk Images on Tue Oct 16 18:55:34 2012. As I mentioned in my other post, since the 9 Av el structure was the weakest of all the Manhattan els, the IRT wanted to make sure that standard IRT subway cars would be unable to inadvertently be sent to that structure. |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Oct 17 14:32:35 2012, in response to Re: Polo grounds shuttle was to be connected to Lenox Line, posted by seabeachexpress on Tue Oct 16 20:28:34 2012. Since the 155 St station itself was rebuilt to accommodate the heavyweight steel coaches of the NYCRR which originally terminated there, the entire structure from 155 St north could hold standard IRT steel cars. |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Oct 17 14:32:46 2012, in response to Re: Polo grounds shuttle was to be connected to Lenox Line, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Oct 17 13:38:12 2012. For most of the time that 6 and 9 Av service ran to the Bronx, they terminated at Burnside Av rather than Woodlawn. For a short period of time after the 9 Av El in Manhattan was torn down, service ran between Burnside and 155 St wit 3 car trains of composites. Later on (I'M not sure of the exact chronology) the service was reduced to operation between 167 St and 155 St with 2 car trains of Composites and later 2 car trains of Hi-Vs and eventually Steinways. As I mentioned in another post on this topic, the additional service from Lenox would not have impacted on Jerome service any more than the 7 Av/West Farms service impacted on Lex/West Farms service and could possibly have even been operated as an express S/O Burnside to provide a smoother divergence/merge S/O 167 St. |
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Posted by Dyre Dan on Wed Oct 17 15:25:37 2012, in response to Re: Polo grounds shuttle was to be connected to Lenox Line, posted by randyo on Wed Oct 17 14:24:27 2012. The new stadium actually occupies some of the ROW of the old shuttle. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Wed Oct 17 15:34:40 2012, in response to Re: Polo grounds shuttle was to be connected to Lenox Line, posted by Dyre Dan on Wed Oct 17 15:25:37 2012. Looking at Google Maps, the storefront(?) at the entrance of the tunnel appears to be unoccupied as well. I wonder if anybody can/will demolish it. |
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Posted by Dyre Dan on Wed Oct 17 15:36:03 2012, in response to Re: Polo grounds shuttle was to be connected to Lenox Line, posted by Wallyhorse on Wed Oct 17 07:36:05 2012. The Jerome Ave. end of the Jerome-Anderson Av. station was right across the street from where the new stadium is. |
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Posted by 5119 on Wed Oct 17 15:48:41 2012, in response to Re: Polo grounds shuttle was to be connected to Lenox Line, posted by randyo on Wed Oct 17 14:32:46 2012. Used to cross that bridge with my aunt, since she lived on Ogen Avenue. Thise trains would scare the bejesus out of me. |
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Posted by 5119 on Wed Oct 17 15:56:04 2012, in response to Re: Polo grounds shuttle was to be connected to Lenox Line, posted by randyo on Wed Oct 17 14:06:52 2012. I thought they were converted from HI-voltage ttrailers. The 1973 NYdivision Journal stated that cars 4215-4514 were Hi V trailers. Flivver trailers were numbered 4160-4214. Unless the Flivvers were originally Hi-V cars and later modified to Lo-V. Then calling 4212-4222 flivver trailers would be correct. |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Oct 17 16:50:47 2012, in response to Re: Polo grounds shuttle was to be connected to Lenox Line, posted by 5119 on Wed Oct 17 15:56:04 2012. I don''t know whose info is more accurate but according to nycsubway.org, the flivver trailers were 4161 - 4222 and the Hi V trailers were 4223 - 4514 which would make 4215 - 4222 the last of the flivver trailers. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Oct 17 18:47:41 2012, in response to Re: Polo grounds shuttle was to be connected to Lenox Line, posted by Dyre Dan on Wed Oct 17 10:03:27 2012. As best as I remember, there wasn't any catwalk. The walls hugged the cars. As to the distance, here's hoping Randyo sees this, it was several inches worth of difference. Plus, third rail needs additional clearance from the walls. |
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Posted by SLRT on Wed Oct 17 19:50:43 2012, in response to Re: Polo grounds shuttle was to be connected to Lenox Line, posted by randyo on Wed Oct 17 14:22:09 2012. True, any attempt at MU would have been an internal tug-of-war. |
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Posted by Lou From Middletown NY on Wed Oct 17 20:16:04 2012, in response to Re: Polo grounds shuttle was to be connected to Lenox Line, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Oct 17 13:31:06 2012. Actually, by 57 teams were transitioning to planes for trips like say, NY-CHI/MIL/ST, and so on. The Red Sox had a great hitter named Jackie Jensen who was deathly afraid of flying, and he ended up retiring prematurely because of that.And to sort of keep this OT, occasionally teams will charter an Amtrak train to travel NY-BAL/WAS/PHI - the Yankees, in fact, after the last game in Baltimore of the recent Division Series, got stuck in Baltimore for a while when Amtrak had power problems on the NEC - they ended up having to quickly charter some buses! As far as why the Angels were the only west coast AL team when expansion started happening lies mostly in the idea that only the REAL big metro areas can support two MLB teams - as Charlie Finley found out when he moved the A's to Oakland in 1967. Before the Braves moved from Boston to Milwaukee in 1953, MLB had 16 teams in only 9 cities! There were two teams in Boston, Philly, Chicago and St. Louis - plus the three NY teams. And only a couple of those cities really had the population to support two teams, or in NY's case three - and one could argue that NY couldn't really support 3! |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Thu Oct 18 06:30:32 2012, in response to Re: Polo grounds shuttle was to be connected to Lenox Line, posted by Dyre Dan on Wed Oct 17 15:36:03 2012. And that might be where to put a new Yankee Stadium stop if you re-built the old Polo Grounds shuttle, albeit completely elevated (as opposed to having the tunnel the old el went through) for the (3) before it joined the (4) on the Jerome El. Biggest benefit besides being able to extend the (3) to the Bronx and give west side riders a new option to Yankee Stadium would be to allow the (4) to access 7th Avenue when necessary. |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Thu Oct 18 07:00:16 2012, in response to Re: Polo grounds shuttle was to be connected to Lenox Line, posted by randyo on Wed Oct 17 14:20:43 2012. That I agree, and in fact, I would be looking at re-building the tracks at Atlantic Avenue on the (L) since the structures that supported them are still there (including the old Snediker Avenue entrance to the (L)). As I would do it, I would have track connections there that most of the time would be for storage, but in an emergency can be used as terminal tracks while the unused platform next to the active one would be re-built and set up so the "express" tracks can be used as terminal tracks and the "local" tracks are the tracks in normal service.This also would allow down the road if you for instance connected the SAS to the Broadway-Brooklyn line a new train to start at the current (L) terminal at Rockaway Parkway while the (L) could start at Atlantic Avenue and better serve the much more heavily-used part of the line. |
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Posted by merrick1 on Thu Oct 18 07:06:20 2012, in response to Re: Canarsie Line Tracks, posted by Wallyhorse on Thu Oct 18 07:00:16 2012. Tracks used for storage wouldn't be available in an emergency. Train crews would have to be called in to move the stored trains out of the way. By the time the stored trains were moved. the emergency would probably be over. |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Thu Oct 18 18:49:33 2012, in response to Re: Canarsie Line Tracks, posted by merrick1 on Thu Oct 18 07:06:20 2012. I was thinking in terms of a long-term (more than two hours) emergency in those cases. |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Thu Oct 18 19:04:15 2012, in response to Re: Polo grounds shuttle was to be connected to Lenox Line, posted by Dyre Dan on Wed Oct 17 10:03:27 2012. I have said this before, but I'll say it again. The 1903 leasing of the Manhattan Elevated Railway was a millstone around the IRT's neck, lmost from the very beginning. This was yet another example. The design and construction of the connector between 155St/8Av and 162St/River Ave was overseen by the Manhattan Elevated's members, who sat on the IRT Board. The tunneling and retaining walls were built to carry Manhatan cars with el style third rail. Apparently, the IRT was more concerned with its subway obligations under this Dual Contracts, so the MER was left pretty much alone to build their extension. When the steel Flivers and Lo-V's were put into service on the Polo Grounds Shuttle in the early 1950's, not only were the contact shoes modified, but the had to be cut in half to fit through the tunnel. The 155th St Station was built to handle the NY central's Putnam Division, so there was not problem for subway cars on the structure. However, the tunnels would have to have been widened to accomodate regular IRT cars. That would have been a bit dicey, given that apartment buildings had been built over the tunnels east of Sedgewick Ave. |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Thu Oct 18 19:06:35 2012, in response to Re: Polo grounds shuttle was to be connected to Lenox Line, posted by Elkeeper on Thu Oct 18 19:04:15 2012. Make that east of the Anderson/Jerome el station. Sorry! |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Thu Oct 18 19:33:14 2012, in response to Re: Polo grounds shuttle was to be connected to Lenox Line, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Oct 16 12:31:01 2012. Plus service dwindled during the first year of the Polo Grounds Shuttle. Afer June 18th, 1941 (I think!), trains were cut from 3 to 2 cars and service shortened from Burnside Ave to 167th Street. With the reduced patronage and having to widen tunnel walls under apartment buildings, it probably was not worth the effort. |
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Posted by Ian Lennon on Fri Oct 19 01:03:36 2012, in response to Re: Polo grounds shuttle was to be connected to Lenox Line, posted by FYBklyn1959 on Wed Oct 17 09:10:51 2012. That is an MD-80. It is based off of the DC-9, but is longer, and more powerful. |
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Posted by FYBklyn1959 on Fri Oct 19 10:07:10 2012, in response to Re: Polo grounds shuttle was to be connected to Lenox Line, posted by Ian Lennon on Fri Oct 19 01:03:36 2012. No, that is a DC-9-51. Here is the link to the pic on Airliners.net:Proff N773NC was original delivered to North Central Airlines on 10/26/78 (hence the "NC" in the registration number). It has flown for North Central, Republic (formed by a merger of North Central and Southern in 1979), Northwest (acquired Republic in 1986, IIRC) and now Delta (acquired NW a few years ago). It probably doesn't have that much time left, as DL will acquire some Boeing 717s from Southwest (AirTran) to replace the remaining DC-9s and some CRJ-200s. |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Fri Oct 19 11:11:51 2012, in response to Re: Polo grounds shuttle was to be connected to Lenox Line, posted by Lou From Middletown NY on Wed Oct 17 20:16:04 2012. If it had not been for our favorite villan here, Robert Moses, O'Malley would have had the Dodgers playing in downtown Brooklyn! It's been discussed here before- just wanted to say it again! |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Oct 19 12:24:40 2012, in response to Re: Polo grounds shuttle was to be connected to Lenox Line, posted by Dyre Dan on Wed Oct 17 15:36:03 2012. But the station continued across the street. The line would stub end somewhere in the left field bleachers. The station house would literally be inside the new stadium. In fact, that street the city bus is on in this picture no longer exists. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Oct 19 12:25:12 2012, in response to Re: Polo grounds shuttle was to be connected to Lenox Line, posted by Wallyhorse on Wed Oct 17 07:36:05 2012. The D train provides roughly the same service. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Oct 19 12:37:45 2012, in response to Re: Polo grounds shuttle was to be connected to Lenox Line, posted by Lou From Middletown NY on Wed Oct 17 20:16:04 2012. I know, and said transition made the move to CA easier, but air travel was still expensive and considerably slower. The 707 and DC8 really didn't begin impacting civil aviation until 1960. O'Malley still needed a western time zone team to play 22 times a year on the road, or be cursed into long flights on every homestand. Until 1960, virtually every Dodger or Giant road trip either began or ended in the other city.The flight from LA to NYC on a Lockheed Constellation took 10 hours and usually had at least one stop. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Oct 19 12:43:51 2012, in response to Re: Polo grounds shuttle was to be connected to Lenox Line, posted by Ian Lennon on Fri Oct 19 01:03:36 2012. No, that's a DC-9. Are there any passenger MD-80's still in service? I believe Fed Ex is the largest operator of the model.The DC-8 destroyed Douglas. 3 decades of near total domination of the passenger plane market destroyed in less than 5 years. |
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