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Re: ALP-45DP #4507 in Hillside NJ (with two Comet IIIs and one Comet IV cab) |
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Posted by WillD on Mon Mar 5 00:14:34 2012, in response to ALP-45DP #4507 in Hillside NJ (with two Comet IIIs and one Comet IV cab), posted by Olog-hai on Sun Mar 4 23:39:09 2012. Maybe they're just coupling the scrap together for easy disposal. |
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Re: ALP-45DP #4507 in Hillside NJ (with two Comet IIIs and one Comet IV cab) |
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Posted by NJCL2308 on Mon Mar 5 00:17:11 2012, in response to ALP-45DP #4507 in Hillside NJ (with two Comet IIIs and one Comet IV cab), posted by Olog-hai on Sun Mar 4 23:39:09 2012. Comet IIIs are standard test train equipment. |
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Re: ALP-45DP #4507 in Hillside NJ (with two Comet IIIs and one Comet IV cab) |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Mar 5 13:00:24 2012, in response to ALP-45DP #4507 in Hillside NJ (with two Comet IIIs and one Comet IV cab), posted by Olog-hai on Sun Mar 4 23:39:09 2012. Comet III cabs are used for testing, allows them to not have to dip into the revenue equipment pool. |
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Re: ALP-45DP #4507 in Hillside NJ (with two Comet IIIs and one Comet IV cab) |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Mar 5 13:03:26 2012, in response to Re: ALP-45DP #4507 in Hillside NJ (with two Comet IIIs and one Comet IV cab), posted by WillD on Mon Mar 5 00:14:34 2012. That's awful. The Comet III's still have plenty of life left in them. |
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Re: ALP-45DP #4507 in Hillside NJ (with two Comet IIIs and one Comet IV cab) |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Mar 5 13:03:43 2012, in response to Re: ALP-45DP #4507 in Hillside NJ (with two Comet IIIs and one Comet IV cab), posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Mar 5 13:00:24 2012. Ain't they clever. |
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Re: ALP-45DP #4507 in Hillside NJ (with two Comet IIIs and one Comet IV cab) |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Mar 5 13:04:23 2012, in response to Re: ALP-45DP #4507 in Hillside NJ (with two Comet IIIs and one Comet IV cab), posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Mar 5 13:03:26 2012. That they do. Thanks a lot, Corzine . . . |
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Re: ALP-45DP #4507 in Hillside NJ (with two Comet IIIs and one Comet IV cab) |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Mar 5 13:04:44 2012, in response to Re: ALP-45DP #4507 in Hillside NJ (with two Comet IIIs and one Comet IV cab), posted by Olog-hai on Mon Mar 5 13:03:43 2012. The III's run nicely when in solid consists. It was mixed with other types that they made operation (and riding) a living hell. |
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Re: ALP-45DP #4507 in Hillside NJ (with two Comet IIIs and one Comet IV cab) |
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Posted by mshull on Mon Mar 5 13:10:45 2012, in response to ALP-45DP #4507 in Hillside NJ (with two Comet IIIs and one Comet IV cab), posted by Olog-hai on Sun Mar 4 23:39:09 2012. Have these locos run in electric mode yet?What's the ETA for them entering service? |
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Re: ALP-45DP #4507 in Hillside NJ (with two Comet IIIs and one Comet IV cab) |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Mar 5 13:13:26 2012, in response to Re: ALP-45DP #4507 in Hillside NJ (with two Comet IIIs and one Comet IV cab), posted by mshull on Mon Mar 5 13:10:45 2012. FWIH, they will run in revenue service (fully electric or fully diesel) later this year. My guess would be out of Hoboken exclusively until they're proven reliable. |
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Re: ALP-45DP #4507 in Hillside NJ (with two Comet IIIs and one Comet IV cab) |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Mar 5 13:13:46 2012, in response to Re: ALP-45DP #4507 in Hillside NJ (with two Comet IIIs and one Comet IV cab), posted by mshull on Mon Mar 5 13:10:45 2012. Both questions are mysteries, even to NJT personnel. WADR to all concerned, you'd get a better answer out of these meddling kids . . . |
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Re: ALP-45DP #4507 in Hillside NJ (with two Comet IIIs and one Comet IV cab) |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Mar 5 13:16:48 2012, in response to Re: ALP-45DP #4507 in Hillside NJ (with two Comet IIIs and one Comet IV cab), posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Mar 5 13:13:26 2012. Of course, all the phoam are waiting for Amtrak to allow them to run into NYP in revenue service. If NJT doesn't hurry up and qualify MLVs into Bay Head, then they won't be seen on any NJCL trains going down there . . . it'd only make sense to restore the one-seat ride that NJT got rid of when they changed over from E60s to ALP-44s after all . . . |
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Re: ALP-45DP #4507 in Hillside NJ (with two Comet IIIs and one Comet IV cab) |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Mar 5 13:29:42 2012, in response to Re: ALP-45DP #4507 in Hillside NJ (with two Comet IIIs and one Comet IV cab), posted by Olog-hai on Mon Mar 5 13:16:48 2012. Running them on 8XX and 10XX trains means they have the safety of being able to run fully diesel is something goes wrong with the mechanism designed to switch power sources. And you know things WILL go wrong. |
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Re: ALP-45DP #4507 in Hillside NJ (with two Comet IIIs and one Comet IV cab) |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Mar 5 14:07:41 2012, in response to Re: ALP-45DP #4507 in Hillside NJ (with two Comet IIIs and one Comet IV cab), posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Mar 5 13:29:42 2012. . . . as if spending $12 million per unit wasn't "wrong" enough. |
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Re: ALP-45DP #4507 in Hillside NJ (with two Comet IIIs and one Comet IV cab) |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Mar 5 16:51:02 2012, in response to ALP-45DP #4507 in Hillside NJ (with two Comet IIIs and one Comet IV cab), posted by Olog-hai on Sun Mar 4 23:39:09 2012. If they give them flat wheels, or ruin the brakes, they don't care.Certainly will not test with their beloved MLV apartment houses. Like to see how this creature is going to tug and push 10 of those things |
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Re: ALP-45DP #4507 in Hillside NJ (with two Comet IIIs and one Comet IV cab) |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Mar 5 16:54:49 2012, in response to Re: ALP-45DP #4507 in Hillside NJ (with two Comet IIIs and one Comet IV cab), posted by Olog-hai on Mon Mar 5 13:04:23 2012. No tellign what the next 100 MLV's will replace: Some Arrows or Comet Arrow II.NJT are the same capital spend-thrifts with Christie. |
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Re: ALP-45DP #4507 in Hillside NJ (with two Comet IIIs and one Comet IV cab) |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Mar 5 16:56:21 2012, in response to Re: ALP-45DP #4507 in Hillside NJ (with two Comet IIIs and one Comet IV cab), posted by Olog-hai on Mon Mar 5 13:16:48 2012. I thought they lifted the MLV ban to Bay Head ? |
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Re: ALP-45DP #4507 in Hillside NJ (with two Comet IIIs and one Comet IV cab) |
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Posted by nasadowsk on Mon Mar 5 17:43:46 2012, in response to Re: ALP-45DP #4507 in Hillside NJ (with two Comet IIIs and one Comet IV cab), posted by Joe V on Mon Mar 5 16:51:02 2012. After the derailment up in Montreal...In any case, these things have been 'in testing' for darn near a year. Are they ever going to actually run in service? |
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Re: ALP-45DP #4507 in Hillside NJ (with two Comet IIIs and one Comet IV cab) |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Mar 5 17:49:53 2012, in response to Re: ALP-45DP #4507 in Hillside NJ (with two Comet IIIs and one Comet IV cab), posted by Joe V on Mon Mar 5 16:54:49 2012. Or some Comet IV's if they decide to forgo a mid-life overhaul that they will soon need (like the Comet III's). |
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Re: ALP-45DP #4507 in Hillside NJ (with two Comet IIIs and one Comet IV cab) |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Mar 5 18:27:10 2012, in response to Re: ALP-45DP #4507 in Hillside NJ (with two Comet IIIs and one Comet IV cab), posted by Joe V on Mon Mar 5 16:56:21 2012. If they did, I didn't hear.If someone photographs MLVs down there, then that would settle that, I guess . . . |
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Re: ALP-45DP #4507 in Hillside NJ (with two Comet IIIs and one Comet IV cab) |
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Posted by NJCL2308 on Mon Mar 5 18:34:55 2012, in response to Re: ALP-45DP #4507 in Hillside NJ (with two Comet IIIs and one Comet IV cab), posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Mar 5 13:00:24 2012. Uhhh, no they're not-every single one of the Comet III cabs has been sitting in Bay Head for over a year. The test trains have been running with a Comet V or (in this case) a Comet IV. |
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Re: ALP-45DP #4507 in Hillside NJ (with two Comet IIIs and one Comet IV cab) |
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Posted by NJCL2308 on Mon Mar 5 18:37:06 2012, in response to Re: ALP-45DP #4507 in Hillside NJ (with two Comet IIIs and one Comet IV cab), posted by Olog-hai on Mon Mar 5 18:27:10 2012. There have not been any MLs down here since the ban was enacted in the Summer. If there has been a train of them, it's been down one evening and up the next morning. |
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Re: ALP-45DP #4507 in Hillside NJ (with two Comet IIIs and one Comet IV cab) |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Mar 5 19:00:14 2012, in response to Re: ALP-45DP #4507 in Hillside NJ (with two Comet IIIs and one Comet IV cab), posted by nasadowsk on Mon Mar 5 17:43:46 2012. Let's pray not. |
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Re: ALP-45DP #4507 in Hillside NJ (with two Comet IIIs and one Comet IV cab) |
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Posted by Neil Feldman on Mon Mar 5 19:41:18 2012, in response to ALP-45DP #4507 in Hillside NJ (with two Comet IIIs and one Comet IV cab), posted by Olog-hai on Sun Mar 4 23:39:09 2012. Wow, already at 4507, nice! |
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Re: ALP-45DP #4507 in Hillside NJ (with two Comet IIIs and one Comet IV cab) |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Mar 5 20:25:32 2012, in response to Re: ALP-45DP #4507 in Hillside NJ (with two Comet IIIs and one Comet IV cab), posted by NJCL2308 on Mon Mar 5 18:34:55 2012. I've seen the Comet III's being used for testing trains before. |
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Re: ALP-45DP #4507 in Hillside NJ (with two Comet IIIs and one Comet IV cab) |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Mar 5 20:56:42 2012, in response to Re: ALP-45DP #4507 in Hillside NJ (with two Comet IIIs and one Comet IV cab), posted by nasadowsk on Mon Mar 5 17:43:46 2012. In any case, these things have been 'in testing' for darn near a yearThe normal way to do something like this is to make one prototype and test the hell out of it to work the bugs out before placing a large order sight-unseen. Instead, NJT buys 26 of them at a shot and prays they work . . . talk about mindlessness. |
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Re: ALP-45DP #4507 in Hillside NJ (with two Comet IIIs and one Comet IV cab) |
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Posted by NJCL2308 on Mon Mar 5 21:29:38 2012, in response to Re: ALP-45DP #4507 in Hillside NJ (with two Comet IIIs and one Comet IV cab), posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Mar 5 20:25:32 2012. The trailers, yes-they're standard equipment for the test trains. The cab cars have not left Bay Head, not a single one, since February 2010 at the latest. |
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Re: ALP-45DP #4507 in Hillside NJ (with two Comet IIIs and one Comet IV cab) |
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Posted by SUBWAYMAN on Mon Mar 5 21:32:18 2012, in response to Re: ALP-45DP #4507 in Hillside NJ (with two Comet IIIs and one Comet IV cab), posted by Joe V on Mon Mar 5 16:54:49 2012. I hope they don't order anymore MLVs. Don't get me wrong, I enjoy riding them, but Arrow IIIs perform so much better. They could hit 80 pretty fast.Now if they could make them run 100mph again, that would be great! |
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Re: ALP-45DP #4507 in Hillside NJ (with two Comet IIIs and one Comet IV cab) |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Mar 5 22:16:14 2012, in response to Re: ALP-45DP #4507 in Hillside NJ (with two Comet IIIs and one Comet IV cab), posted by SUBWAYMAN on Mon Mar 5 21:32:18 2012. They could have, if they didn't blow all that money on MLVs. Arrows that could do voltage changes on the fly and that have "long doors" would be ideal for NJT. (What a shame that SEPTA is the first commuter RR in the USA that has MUs with "long doors", eh?) |
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Re: ALP-45DP #4507 in Hillside NJ (with two Comet IIIs and one Comet IV cab) |
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Posted by 167t on Tue Mar 6 00:32:06 2012, in response to Re: ALP-45DP #4507 in Hillside NJ (with two Comet IIIs and one Comet IV cab), posted by SUBWAYMAN on Mon Mar 5 21:32:18 2012. You're comparing MU's to locomotive hauled coaches. |
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Re: ALP-45DP #4507 in Hillside NJ (with two Comet IIIs and one Comet IV cab) |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Mar 6 00:32:58 2012, in response to Re: ALP-45DP #4507 in Hillside NJ (with two Comet IIIs and one Comet IV cab), posted by 167t on Tue Mar 6 00:32:06 2012. That's because on NJT, the latter always replaces the former. He does have a point. |
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Re: ALP-45DP #4507 in Hillside NJ (with two Comet IIIs and one Comet IV cab) |
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Posted by chuchubob on Tue Mar 6 07:56:44 2012, in response to Re: ALP-45DP #4507 in Hillside NJ (with two Comet IIIs and one Comet IV cab), posted by mshull on Mon Mar 5 13:10:45 2012. One that tested on the Atlantic City Line ran in electric mode in at least one direction on the NEC. |
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Re: ALP-45DP #4507 in Hillside NJ (with two Comet IIIs and one Comet IV cab) |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Mar 6 10:28:12 2012, in response to Re: ALP-45DP #4507 in Hillside NJ (with two Comet IIIs and one Comet IV cab), posted by Olog-hai on Mon Mar 5 20:56:42 2012. And without any expansion at NYP, half of them will be doing nothing more than sitting in a yard. |
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Re: ALP-45DP #4507 in Hillside NJ (with two Comet IIIs and one Comet IV cab) |
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Posted by Joe V on Tue Mar 6 17:06:22 2012, in response to Re: ALP-45DP #4507 in Hillside NJ (with two Comet IIIs and one Comet IV cab), posted by Olog-hai on Mon Mar 5 20:56:42 2012. The exercised the option of getting 36 |
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Re: ALP-45DP #4507 in Hillside NJ (with two Comet IIIs and one Comet IV cab) |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Mar 6 18:38:46 2012, in response to Re: ALP-45DP #4507 in Hillside NJ (with two Comet IIIs and one Comet IV cab), posted by Joe V on Tue Mar 6 17:06:22 2012. That's right. Even worse still. One would think that they were planning a big increase in commuter rail service instead of maintaining, or even shrinking, the status quo. |
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Re: ALP-45DP #4507 in Hillside NJ (with two Comet IIIs and one Comet IV cab) |
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Posted by J trainloco on Tue Mar 6 18:50:31 2012, in response to Re: ALP-45DP #4507 in Hillside NJ (with two Comet IIIs and one Comet IV cab), posted by Olog-hai on Tue Mar 6 18:38:46 2012. While we're on this topic, why does NJT need DM locomotives? What's wrong with using diesels on diesel routes and having people change trains? At such an outrageous price, it seems like it's not worth it. |
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Re: ALP-45DP #4507 in Hillside NJ (with two Comet IIIs and one Comet IV cab) |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Tue Mar 6 21:01:02 2012, in response to Re: ALP-45DP #4507 in Hillside NJ (with two Comet IIIs and one Comet IV cab), posted by Joe V on Mon Mar 5 19:00:14 2012. I'd agree with you if it meant they would electrify (at least the rest of the Newark Division).If they don't work, they will either find some use for them, locking them into whatever mode they perform best on, or run some "token" trips out to |
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Re: ALP-45DP #4507 in Hillside NJ (with two Comet IIIs and one Comet IV cab) |
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Posted by Joe V on Wed Mar 7 17:27:53 2012, in response to Re: ALP-45DP #4507 in Hillside NJ (with two Comet IIIs and one Comet IV cab), posted by J trainloco on Tue Mar 6 18:50:31 2012. 1,000% true. Their selling point is "one-seat ride". It is not train frequency or lower fares to garnish market share.If they give the RVL, for example, any NYPS slots, they will have to boot out as many other trains, like Montclair or South Amboy. Do it off peak, and they have used another train set, increased operating costs 33% (from 3 to 4 train sets) which on a line with 45% fare box recovery can never be paid out of increased patronage. |
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Re: ALP-45DP #4507 in Hillside NJ (with two Comet IIIs and one Comet IV cab) |
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Posted by Joe V on Wed Mar 7 17:30:39 2012, in response to Re: ALP-45DP #4507 in Hillside NJ (with two Comet IIIs and one Comet IV cab), posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Tue Mar 6 21:01:02 2012. As we have seen on the LIRR, these "token" (your term) or political (my term) dual mode trains have completely failed at wooing anyone back from the Ronkonkoma or Port Washington branches. They have caused intrA-branch ridership diversions from train to train, but that is all.Just take a look at the half empty commuter parking lot in places like Greenlawn, Northport, Smithtown, etc. |
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Re: ALP-45DP #4507 in Hillside NJ (with two Comet IIIs and one Comet IV cab) |
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Posted by J trainloco on Wed Mar 7 18:49:40 2012, in response to Re: ALP-45DP #4507 in Hillside NJ (with two Comet IIIs and one Comet IV cab), posted by Joe V on Wed Mar 7 17:27:53 2012. That doesn't make sense to me. In fact, I would even argue that this strategy makes the service less attractive, since operating the diesel branches as a local branch connecting service would allow you to run the unit back and forth and meet main line electrics at a regular frequency, plus with the money you save, purchase more off-the-shelf diesels to increase the frequency further. |
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Re: ALP-45DP #4507 in Hillside NJ (with two Comet IIIs and one Comet IV cab) |
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Posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Wed Apr 4 21:00:45 2012, in response to ALP-45DP #4507 in Hillside NJ (with two Comet IIIs and one Comet IV cab), posted by Olog-hai on Sun Mar 4 23:39:09 2012. HID-E-OUS!!!! Metra got rid of their Winnebagoes, and now NJT brings new and equally hideous ones in service!! I hope their performance is good. |
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Re: ALP-45DP #4507 in Hillside NJ (with two Comet IIIs and one Comet IV cab) |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Apr 4 21:14:34 2012, in response to ALP-45DP #4507 in Hillside NJ (with two Comet IIIs and one Comet IV cab), posted by Olog-hai on Sun Mar 4 23:39:09 2012. Same fellow shot a video of the same train running through the former Hillside station location. |
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Re: ALP-45DP #4507 in Hillside NJ (with two Comet IIIs and one Comet IV cab) |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Apr 5 12:48:43 2012, in response to Re: ALP-45DP #4507 in Hillside NJ (with two Comet IIIs and one Comet IV cab), posted by Olog-hai on Wed Apr 4 21:14:34 2012. They really should put a station in Hillside. |
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Re: ALP-45DP #4507 in Hillside NJ (with two Comet IIIs and one Comet IV cab) |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Apr 5 14:06:11 2012, in response to Re: ALP-45DP #4507 in Hillside NJ (with two Comet IIIs and one Comet IV cab), posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Apr 5 12:48:43 2012. I'd think so too, but I'm sure that NJT wouldn't be pushed to install yet another set of gantlet tracks. (IINM, there's enough room to put in passing sidings there, too.) On that line, there used to be a station at Weequahic as well. |
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Re: ALP-45DP #4507 in Hillside NJ (with two Comet IIIs and one Comet IV cab) |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Apr 5 16:08:37 2012, in response to Re: ALP-45DP #4507 in Hillside NJ (with two Comet IIIs and one Comet IV cab), posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Wed Apr 4 21:00:45 2012. Hate to burst your bubble, but the guys on Trainorders.com say the Montreal AMT had 3 in service, 1 derailed in a tunnel, and CNR banned them from operation.As for NJT, scuttlebut I heard from someone who is very reliable says due to dynamic oscillation forces, Amtrak will not allow them to go at any sufficient speed, and in electric mode, can only handle 6 MLV cars. I have no idea if any of that is remedial. |
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Re: ALP-45DP #4507 in Hillside NJ (with two Comet IIIs and one Comet IV cab) |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Apr 5 16:11:26 2012, in response to Re: ALP-45DP #4507 in Hillside NJ (with two Comet IIIs and one Comet IV cab), posted by Olog-hai on Thu Apr 5 14:06:11 2012. I believe this is on the Lehigh Line ?NJT wants to 3-track it, and that means both Roselle Park and Union station platforms must be destroyed so as to widen the right of way, and relocate them to the side. |
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Re: ALP-45DP #4507 in Hillside NJ (with two Comet IIIs and one Comet IV cab) |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Thu Apr 5 16:21:24 2012, in response to Re: ALP-45DP #4507 in Hillside NJ (with two Comet IIIs and one Comet IV cab), posted by 167t on Tue Mar 6 00:32:06 2012. Wonder if they will reef them, like NYC? |
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Re: ALP-45DP #4507 in Hillside NJ (with two Comet IIIs and one Comet IV cab) |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Apr 5 16:32:36 2012, in response to Re: ALP-45DP #4507 in Hillside NJ (with two Comet IIIs and one Comet IV cab), posted by Elkeeper on Thu Apr 5 16:21:24 2012. Since there's no asbetsos, no need, Naparona will do. |
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Re: ALP-45DP #4507 in Hillside NJ (with two Comet IIIs and one Comet IV cab) |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Apr 5 18:46:44 2012, in response to Re: ALP-45DP #4507 in Hillside NJ (with two Comet IIIs and one Comet IV cab), posted by Joe V on Thu Apr 5 16:11:26 2012. No, it wouldn't be necessary to obliterate either platform. And yes, this is the Lehigh Line. |
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Re: ALP-45DP #4507 in Hillside NJ (with two Comet IIIs and one Comet IV cab) |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Apr 5 19:01:40 2012, in response to Re: ALP-45DP #4507 in Hillside NJ (with two Comet IIIs and one Comet IV cab), posted by Olog-hai on Thu Apr 5 18:46:44 2012. I only hear from the Raritan Valley Rail Coalition meeting minutes, and it says they would. |
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